/biz/ - Business & Finance

i'm a libertarian with UPP calls

checkmate

this but unironically. there will be no hyperinflation, trad markets and USD will both remain strong and crypto will continue its slide into obscurity (in terms of an investment instrument)

>>19143370
>UPP
UUP i mean

>>19143337
Holy fucking based.
Someone else finally gets it.

It works until it doesn't. USD gets too strong and blows out the system and the world refuses to play. Global restructuring of finance system will come. Let's hope we're holding the right asset then when the time comes.

>>19143337
>I have had the pleasure of working with several members of the Federal Reserve

yeah, article not just written by a FED shill. don't question their actions no matter how much they print and no matter what they are pumping with it. why? because all other central banks in the world are stupid. but the FED. they aren't. the FED will pump the dow to 200k while also printing 50x more stimulus checks and all the other countries' will pay for it because their central banks are stupid! only the FED has brains! ha

they are getting USDJ so they can get in on stonk.fund

>>19143337
>Countries are getting into debt in USD
>USD hyperinflates
>pay off USD debt ez pz

>>19143337
>>19143394
>implying this isn’t a bluff by the fed and elites

>>19143337
>dollar goes up in value because every country in the world has to sell their shit currency for usd

At a certain point these countries will decide it’s not beneficial to do this and dump the dollar. Why would China effectively subsidize us through this action when we’re day by day become larger and larger enemies?

>>19143337
>>19144605

>Lolbertarians BTFO. End the Fed fags BTFO. Cryptocurrency fags BTFO. Venezuela BTFO. Chinks BTFO. Russians BTFO.

This has been accounted for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qTOWuL7Zco

Watch that video it explains that the dollar will rise in value bigly until the world decides its had enough and drop the dollar.

>>19143337
If the US fucks around with Dollar distribution with other countries, wont that just reinforce fleeing the USD on a global scale?

>>19143337
Ok I want a genius take on this: Does this mean sitting on a pile of cash these last months was somehow in fact better than pushing it into stonks and gold, and if so why?

>>19144746
see >>19144662

>>19144698 - flee the USD into what?

>>19144783

>>19144307
There is no alternative, the US holds a knife at both ends of every trade artery on the planet.

>>19144746
Yes. Warren Buffet isn’t worth billions because he’s retarded.

>>19143337
>Where were you when you found out that the Federal Reserve put America at the top of the global economic food chain during the the Coronavirus?
>There’s a $13 trillion global shortage of USD because of all the money printing in other countries during the coronavirus.
>How could this be?
>The Yuan, Ruble, Yen, even the Euro, and every fucking currency have been too risky to borrow and denominate loans or bonds in, so everyone is doing it in USD. That’s why the Fed is doing “unlimited” support. Countries are getting into debt in USD (which also means we could now fucking starve any country we want, including China through minimal currency manipulation).
Oh my goodness...
/pol/ was right again...
/pol/ said this could be Trumps plan...
Release a home grown virus similar to that of China's leak - perhaps the U.S helped release it OR the U.S had early intel of China's virus leak.
After that /pol/ said that by leaking the virus the U.S would develop some antibiotics on its own while making sure that China one way or another would be in ruin in global trade by ensuring not only that China couldn't maintain their internal infrastructure, but also making sure no one on a global scale trusts them in any form of manufacturing/trade ever again.
By having China crippled internally they wouldn't be able to rely on forigen trade to bounce back.
This means China would not be able to host any war with the U.S let alone U.S allowed forces.

The very end of this prediction from /pol/ was bacd early test vaccines already released in Italy infected key "globalists" killing them off.

If this OP is true & pans out as OP mapped than anyone whose been claiming trump is a shill for gates just very well may eat their hats.

We will soon find out.

>>19144783
>flee the USD into what?
>Sure would be a shame if pirates started fucking up your trade routes.
>Sure would be a shame if China decided to take your islands.
>Sure would be a shame if Russia decided to take your countries.
The US is a global bank with the best private security in the world. As long as you use their money and take loans from them, there is a vested interest in them ensuring your success. Above all, stability is prized. That's why nothing has really happened since WWII. Nuclear peace is real, but there's a second gear in the mechanism: Stability is money, and money is everything.
One final law keeps the US from being overthrow: Bad actors will always exist, and the US is the least untrustworthy partner. Nobody can afford to quit USD individually, and quitting together leaves a massive trust vacuum.
To recap, don't bet against the fed.

>>19145156
>Bad actors will always exist, and the US is the least untrustworthy partner. Nobody can afford to quit USD individually, and quitting together leaves a massive trust vacuum.

The corollary to this is that if there is ever going to be a credible replacement for the dollar, it will be Fed backed and approved. It won't take off otherwise.

>>19143337
There’s always at least a 6-month delay. But in this case it may be well over a year, maybe even two. But once this deflationary depression comes to an end, watch what happens when that tsunami sized wave of USD floods back into the economy. Watch what happens. Watch.

>>19143337
as someone living in russia, i would say нa хyй pycнявых cвинeй

>>19145156
>>19145188
Do you dickheads think the fed is everything ? Are you smoking weeds lately ?

Glad I get payed in USD since my countries currency is dogshit

Anyone have article links on U.S conapnies knowing the carona virus hit early on, but never reported it?

>>19144783
The CryptoYuan

>Not knowing how the global USD financial system works
What a faggot.

>>19145268
Elaborate before we all look like idiots

>>19145229
When I say "the fed" and when most people on this board say "the fed", what we really mean is " the actual ruling group operating from the shadows, who have enormous influence on many aspects of US politics and even some international politics, and who more or less control the federal reserve".
>There is no Cabal.

>>19145286
So you want me to bet with Rothschild no get fucked Im going all in BTC death to jews death to the US

>>19145095
Yeah dude yeah

>>19145332
Implying BTC isn't entirely controlled.

>>19145419
Kek

>>19144783
The

E U R O

This is a great thread lmao but fuck off I am still mad I can't buy a house

>>19145003
Nah its because he knows in advance what his buddies will do

These jews are fucking scary man how do they do it? JP Morgan, Lehman brothers, Goldman sach. How do they handle money so well? It's like some fucking voodoo listening to it

>>19144783
>>19144944
Gold

OP is based and high IQ.
The Brrrrr meme got way overplayed.
USD will be king for a while.
If you hold USD or anything denominated in it you will win.
We will see 0.80USD=1EUR
Until the rest of the world can get their shit sorted out USD will continue on its bull run.

>>19145736

Now that people know that fiat can be accepted as currency, gold convertibility will never return. All it takes is one country suspending convertibility and the whole system breaks down, and probably sparks a war.

Both China and Russia and a lot of other countries have way more USD reserves than they do USD-denominated denbts. I think the ones who are really screwed are Turkey and Argentina.

>>19145385
Thats not an argument.
I'm genuinely wondering

> Daniel Lacalle

He is a meme in Spain

>>19145957
argentine can just announce a new bankruptcy no one will even flinch
in general the countries dependent that much on usd can afford to just go bankrupt

>>19145957
>Both China and Russia and a lot of other countries have way more USD reserves than they do USD-denominated denbts.

Reserves don't cancel out debts you fucking baboon, reserves are used to stabilize a currency against the reserves. China zeroing out its debts would cause the yuan to double, maybe 2.5x in value vs the dollar, shittershattering every manufacturing firm in the country, which is functionally every firm in the country.

>>19144307
All in on XRP for ~$100k, so that when the USD falls, all the countries will be looking for ways to send money without paying huge fees. See you at the top frens

>>19143337
>>19143394
>>19143402
>>19145680
>>19145832
Based and dollar milkshake pilled

>>19145332

>>19143337
>starve
I doubt it. Bullet trains run by ai blew my fucking mind when I was there.

>>19146354
Bullet trains can't travel across the ocean to where the food is. You think China produces all the calories it needs to survive? HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>19143337
soooo.... the USD isn't going to fall drastically in the next 15 years?
what about that SDR nonsense and if there is a push for it because the BRICS niggas are tired of USD being the reserve

>>19146369
BRICS? SDR? bruh, if you're posting from 2011 then have I got some HOT stock tips for you

>>19143337
Brainlet here, should I convert my CAD to USD then? Last recession, the CAD was stable and even superseded the UsD. Canadian banks have reputation for stability but these motherfuckers in the government are the biggest poz idiots in the fucking world and I really don’t trust them. Is USD or gold a safer bet?

>>19146417
neets will try to tell you anything that has a chance of supporting a longer supply of trumpbucks

>>19146417
Canada's in for rough times ahead. USD will likely be safer than CAD for years.

>>19143337
apex brainlet

>>19145892
This
Tether for example is even a fiat of a fiat

>>19144662
Brett hasn't accounted for shit here
He says as much in his talk that there is no infrastructure for the world to flee into
As he says, are you gonna hold the euro?
(just lol) are you gonna hold international bonds with their negative interest rates? Japanese yen with their ATH still back in the 90s? Chinese yuan with their blatant manipulation against their own currency's value? Negatively priced oil?

The only thing he says that is bullish for any asset class other than the dollar and its associates like the us stock market, is that when this big ol' short squeeze happens as it is likely unfolding now, the haven-seeking capital will flow to the most liquid, stable supplied asset on the planet which is gold
However, before this happens it will all flow through the dollar
And furthermore what happens if the Fed opens the floodgates like it's doing now instead of closing them with quantitative tightening and raising interest rates like it was doing with Brett gave the talk?
He says somewhere in there "I don't see the Fed [lowering rates] for some time now" (paraphrasing) and welp, look where we are now

I unironically think both scenarios are bullish for Bitcoin since during the liquidity crisis in March Bitcoin fell a shit ton, but once liquidity was back it mooned again
More dollar liquidity seems to mean people will be retards and shovel their money into Bitcoin, so how can the dollar weakening also help it?
This is where I think that by the time the USD is ready to crash, the infrastructure might have been built up enough to make gold look like a stupid alternative to what does essentially the same thing but online, Bitcoin

But really that last claim is mostly speculation and I'm kind of out of my depth in forecasting such broad scale transformations
On the remote chance it does happen though, we're gonna be fucking RICH

Sorry not sorry for wall of text
>Pic related: Satoshi Nakamoto

>>19146417
but nah you should convert your CAD to BTC
by the time brainlets in this thread and the article's author realize it's the true alternative it will be too late and we'll be over a $1,000,000

>>19146387
senpai that stuff didn't go away, and USD being reserve its definitely an annoyance to china et al.

>>19143337

Uh, you forgot the part where foreign countries already owe a lot of money to the USA, esp emerging markets, because the USA was giving out a lot of loans during the 2008 recession. The fed has to print more loans so other countries can paper over their previous loans. Since those foreign countries can’t print dollars, they have to get dollars and use those dollars to pay back their loans, on top of use dollars for foreign exchanges and trading. Now, since their economies are pretty much shit, If those countries don’t have enough dollars, they default and can cause a domino effect. I am willing to bet the fed will simply make more loans and/or extend loans in order for things to keep going, but we can see where this is going.

TLDR: dollar strength is not a sign of a strong financial system.

>>19146482

China can eat the peanuts out of America's shit, anon. It seems to me that you have made the amateur mistake of assuming that there is some sort of video game-esque balance to the world. There is not. At present, America has a larger fleet than the rest of the world combined. It also currently ONLY uses its fleet to ensure that shipping can go anywhere it pleases. But the security environment that caused the US to not scuttle ships flying the wrong flag has long since faded, and Americans are slowly waking up to this reality.

When the US exits, stage left? Every single country that is aligned against the US politically is fucked, regardless of whether the US actually engages hostilities with them.

>>19146366
Ok boomer. Its not the 1950s anymore.

>>19146574
You're right, it's not. China had a prayer of feeding itself in the 50s with better crop technologies. It doesn't not.

>>19146561
could the us fuck over the world? yeah
(in a world of assymetric treats, a lot of other countries could if they really wanted to)
would it make the us richer? nah

the us navy exiting the waters wouldn't make somalian pirates suddenly rule the seas. the us navy starting to shoot up freighters of political / financial opponents would fuck the world over but the us wouldn't financially benefit from it, not even in the medium term.

>>19146561
could the us fuck over the world? yeah
(in a world of assymetric threats, a lot of other countries could if they really wanted to)
would it make the us richer? nah

the us navy exiting the waters wouldn't make somalian pirates suddenly rule the seas. the us navy starting to shoot up freighters of political / financial opponents would fuck the world over but the us wouldn't financially benefit from it. maybe in the extreme short term some of the faint hearted would bend the knee, but it wouldn't last at all.

>>19146618
>the us navy exiting the waters wouldn't make somalian pirates suddenly rule the seas

It means countries with national navies rule the waves outside of the Americas (and where-ever the US' attention-deficit disorder leaves them). And that's a very short list of countries. It's also a situation that leaves China, Iran, Brazil, and Russia up shit creek without a canoe, much less a paddle.

>>19146670
>It's also a situation that leaves China, Iran, Brazil, and Russia up shit creek without a canoe, much less a paddle.
I loudly kekked

>>19146670
eventually countries interested in safe world trade will emerge over those that aren't (and, in this instance, create a fleet that keeps the waters checked)

>>19144662
>Muh cumshake theory
KILL YOURSELF

>>19146417
The weekly USDCAD chart is a cup and handle. Btw Look what happened in 2008-2009.

>>19145892
>Now that people know that fiat can be accepted as currency

Do you think fiat is a new invention? It’s been done before. The history of money is cycles from hard money to fiat over and over again. That said convertibility will likely not return. A Supra-Sovereign asset backed crypto will likely be created for use between central banks to settle accounts. This asset backed crypto will back the currency used by plebs like us. You say one country suspending convertibility breaks the system, how about one country, like China, announcing a gold backed currency, that would kill the value of any fiat paper in existence. China, and other central banks have been accumulating gold since around 2013, they’re planning for something.

>>19146726

And who does the security lifting for this safe world trade? The only reason the US got to do it for as long as it did was because its track record as a young country wasn't filled with a thousand years of betraying every population and their neighbors. You think the Chinese are gonna be cool with the Japanese safeguarding Chinese freighters, or vice-versa? How about the Koreans for either? Or the Indians and the Chinese? You think France is gonna trust Britain to do that sort of heavy lifting? Or Germany trust either of them?

Without the US doing that work while being based an ocean away and thus NOT IN ANYONES BACKYARD, the planet has an insane trust gap to leap over. And since it only takes one country disagreeing and starting to interdict cargo, the endeavor is more or less set up to fail.

>>19146783
>You think France is gonna trust Britain to do that sort of heavy lifting? Or Germany trust either of them?
jesus you're stupid and have no idea how world politics work even right now kek

>>19146780
>China, and other central banks have been accumulating gold since around 2013, they’re planning for something
Dumping the dollar

>>19146791

Extreme brainlet response. The only reason any of these countries are working in concert is because the US is actively ensuring the Atlantic Charter. Without that, the world takes on a very Lord of the Flies aesthetic, very fast.

>>19144307
>Let's hope we're holding the right asset then when the time comes.
Depends, do you hold gold&silver?

>>19146469
But no uses BTC to pay anything and won’t transactions take too long? What good is that when you have to put food on the table?

>>19145229
Yes smoking weeds lately but my trades are up through the fucking roof. Drinking some too.

>>19144783
>flee the USD into what?
a gold-backed crypto issued by a new alliance of countries, like a BRICS+

>>19143337
Why does this glow so hard

>>19145332
Based
FUCK THIS THREAD
USA=JEWISH

>>19143394

Crypto ain't goin' anywhere, you hear about it less as you use it more.

>>19146514
>dollar strength is not a sign of a strong financial system
These are the same retards that think "good stock market=good economy".

>>19146859
why does the crypto have to be gold backed?

>>19146561
>America has a larger fleet than the rest of the world combined
that's not true anymore, you boomie nigger. Stop having a boner over some jews you retarded goy

>>19146958
Mhhmmm, maybe because otherwise it's just hot air, like all the current thousands of vaporwave ponzi shitcoins existing?

>>19146985

>>19146860
Over half this board is full of shills and Federal agents, they'd all be better off dead

>>19146574
Get a clue, Chinas prosperity is massively dependent on a wide range of imports, including energy, materials and food.

>>19147034
but if it based on a BRICS+ agreement, that alone gives it the value

>>19143337
bullish for ARPA, the MPC bubble, and the Asian ecosystems, unironically.

>>19147085
>BRICS are a counterweight to the US
>this gives it value!

>>19143337
Well, you've got a point. Yet you'll still get assraped by chinese production in the long run, though.

What ensures you that companies won't just change to other world reserve currencies when the opportunity arises? Because that Euro is looking hot lately.

>>19143337
It works because every country uses dollars. If a country dares to use some other currency picrelated happens.

>>19147035
>US nowhere near being 50%+ of the worldwide fleet
Congrats, you just proved yourself wrong.

Now im all fucking confused. If this doesnt make me money in what im doing im gonna be real goddamn upset

>>19147178
>"Our currency is so great that we have to coerce every country to use it"
God I fucking hate the US government

So what happens after the hyper deflation?

>>19143337
The basic mechanisms you print out are actually true. However the outcome will just be the other way around. Until now there was no problem with the dollar as world currency for other countries. It was a reliable system where countries even profited from slight debt depreciation due to dollar printing. Now there will be a strong incentive for other countries to move away from the dollar. It will be a development of the next 10 years and in the end usa will be fucked. Fall of the petrodollar is happening right now. Euro/yen currency basket will be quickly revived again.

>>19147285
>PRINTING MORE MONEY DEVALUING THE GLOBAL RESERVE CURRENCY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY PRINTING MORE MONEY AND DEVALUING THE GLOBAL RESERVE CURRENCY ACTUALLY WORKED
i don't know what this thread is made in aid of, shilling or just plain boomer coping. maybe they're trying to meme themselves out of a recession


CRYPTO BTFO GOLD BTFO SUCK MY DIIIIIIICCCCCCKKK FIAT 4 LYF

>>19147256
no fiat currency ever survives, the story is always the same, they get the key to the money printer, they promise to not cheat and to be honest then proceed to cheat and lie. absolute power and all that.

now if currency issuance was regulated and controlled by the government, so we the people have a say in it, maybe the USD would last a little longer...kinda ironic really

>>19147807
>>19147917
low IQ detected, the dollar is steamrolling every other currency right now and it'll only increase from this point

>>19147917
>now if currency issuance was regulated and controlled by the government
>so we the people have a say in it

>>19147950
it only increases for as long as other countries keep playing with them. keep in mind fiat now has valid competition. blockchain has solved a problem banks were originally designed to manage.

>>19147975
i'm sure when the banks promised to never print more money then they had gold in reserve that it was a complete accident and one time thing and now they act 100% in good faith and towards our best interests

>>19147917
absolute power actually doesn't corrupt, the issue is that power is never absolute. weak character, given the taste of great power, gives in to the temptation of wanting more ...and then more.

>>19148060
While technically true thats pretty much a non point
Very very few people in history were strong enough to resist the alluring corruption of power

>>19148060
you're right, even if you did have absolute power, good character and some empathy would regulate your motives.

>>19143337
I know why the only Euros I keep in my checking account are for the monthly mortgage payments, but thanks for reminding me.

>>19148099
but some did?

>>19148060
>weak character, given the taste of great power, gives in to the temptation of wanting more ...and then more
Where do you think the weak character comes from retard?

>>19148151
e.g. ur mom's womb

>>19143337
I suddenly feel comfy and the desire to suck my master's dick as I allow any bodily injection. I will continue to feast on croutons. Thank you, Rockefeller's and Rothschild's.

>>19147208
you are very dense

>>19143337
>Where were you
buying more FUND in preparation for a complete failure of the system

>>19146618
it's not about pirates. It's about sovereign states starting to shoot at each other if and when security breaks down. Once shipping containers get sunk the global economy grinds to a halt.

>>19148946
yeah. the ONLY thing preventing the world from sinking into a perpetual world war is the us navy.

>>19147366
Nobody wants the Yen or Euro because the Japs manipulate the Yen and the Euros started confiscating sovereign debt deposits to pay for bailouts.

>>19148965
Billions of people rely on the flow of energy from the Middle East everyday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Abqaiq–Khurais_attack

That attack used a drone and took out 25% of the production capacity in the Middle East, in a single day. All with the U.S. still somewhat giving a fuck.

>>19148965
actually they're apparently protecting the world from something infinitely worse, because during the world wars there still were allies that didn't shoot at each other, but in your little heads literally every country will start shooting at the freighters of one another once the us navy is drawn back and lets all hell break loose

>>19148106
Louis X
The few that are, usually end up canonized and want nothing or very little to do with merchants.

>>19143337
freemasons control fed

US foreign policy and petro-dollar enforcement does some pretty evil shit, but in the grand scheme of things, as a super power keeping their hegemony it's not that bad. This timeline is definitely one of the above average ones in terms of peace and security. Hyperinflation usually comes about because of funding wars, but the difference this time is the US's wars are directly enforcing the usage of the US dollar.

>>19143337
Sorry OP, what you write is a string of half-truths and misunderstandings.
So the more debt you issue in a currency, the greater demand for it and hence stronger that currency is?
So the country that has no debt, has a weak currency? That's the most ridiculous nonsense I've heard (and I've heard some keynesian stupidity).

Let me explain: The more debt there is in a currency, the more likelihood that currency is going to be inflated away (history is replete with examples) and there is nobody more in need of dollars than US govt (just look at the deficits). Foreigners' holding of US dollar debt pales in comparison to what US govt is on the hook for. And each and every dollar that the US govt wants WILL. BE. PRINTED (all $100+ trillions of it).
Anyone making investing decisions based on this dollar strength theory will have their behind handed to them.

>>19149071
The petrodollar is a meme. People use USD because people want to be paid in USD.

wtf is this thread

>>19149082
Think his point was that theres increasing demand for the dollar despite all the recently issued debt not the other way around

>>19143337
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7nFbKzt-uwE

>>19149388
Yes, i understood what OP wanted to tell us. And my point is that the debt issued in usd is by far not the amount of debt the us government issued. So the mechanisms are there, but it's the other way around.

>>19145419
you are beyond dumb

>>19143337
holy shit
thanks for making this post OP

>Countries are getting into debt in USD

This mean countries are betting on USD value going down.

>Take loan in USD
>Buy equity / hookers & cocaine / whatever
>Money printer goes brrrr
>Sell equity
>Pay back loan
>Profit

>>19143337
lmao
utter desperation

>>19149434
USA has more usd denoted debt liabilities than other countries own to USA

>>19146354
>Bullet trains run by AI
That's bullshit and you know it.
Also, half of those California retards don't actually know what true AI is.

>>19143337
>he says this as if its a new found revelation

You are still two steps behind.

>>19146985
>tehee Boomer
Fag may be a boomer, but he's right nigger.

>>19149007
Well, we know that even the best of allies break down over time.
I mean, look at China and the Soviet Union.
One minute they have an unbreakable bond, next, the Soviets are asking America to go in half-and-half on nuking China.
I'm not saying the other anons are right, but they have a point. The merrican navy does do a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to sea lanes.

>>19150181
It's not surprising for the US Navy to be taken for granted. It's been doing this particular job since 1945, and it's been doing it more or less for free (unless you're an American taxpayer) since 1991. With the USN gone, all it takes is one country to interdict one shipment and the reality of the situation comes crashing in for everyone, all at once.

>>19150211
Well, I actually hope that happens.
It's time for some boot strapping and merrica to stop the white man's burden.

>>19150238
It seems likely that it will happen. The US hasn't got the internal consensus to project power outwards for a couple of elections as we hash out the new constituency "borders" for democrats and republicans (or new parties.) At the same time, there is no pressing material need to jut our carriers out in any particular place. We're an oil exporter as of 2019, we're self-sufficient in all foodstuffs except olive oil and coffee, and we're still a manufacturing power with all of South America to feed those industrial demands. The US has set the stage, intentionally or otherwise, for the Great Bye, Felecia.

>>19149629
That is what i said. Us gvt has more debts than foreign countries have denominated debt in usd. That's the reason why the mechanisms work the other way around as OP puts it.

>>19149205
not a fucking bitcoin thread, thank God for that.

TFW much more tether can be printed because shithole countries need USD in any form

>>19146832
Yes

>>19143337
If you're going to hoard USD make sure you hoard the physical bills or 3 month T bills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n-yTT18nFk

Lyn Alden and Luke Gromen have extensively talked about this. Yes there is a dolllar shortage, however the US federal government has a bigger shortage. Also, foreigners own some $40 odd trillion in dollar denominated assets and the United states has a -50% of GDP net international investment position. Basically the United States must give foreigners the dollars they need to service their debts or the foreigners start selling US$ assets. I'm sure the situation will self correct at $SPY $42 or something.

TLDR: The dollar swap lines arent a curtesy to foreign nations. They are a bribe to prevent them from zeroeing the american stock market.

>>19150763
Wrong photo...This one

>>19143337
Literally the opposite retard ,yes there is a dollar shortage but it's caused by the post bretton woods system being retarded.

The thing you are wrong is that the only country that will starve will be the us , inflationary countries will have food , the us with massive constant deflation will have to burn food due to constant collapse of demand.

The fed acted well , trump & mnuchin fucked up hard , this dollar shortage crap is causing serious hardcore deflation in burgerland.

>inb4 we can print all we want now

No you can't you still get food , housing ,healthcare and education inflation because those are produced locally and thus inflated by the brrrrrrrrrrrr.

The usa just reported 2% inflation in food last month , do it 4 years and it's nearly 100% lost of purchasing power.

The usa is seriously fucked up if this deflation is not fixed.

>>19150763
>>19150785

NIIP is not what you think it is in this context. Remember your accounting definitions: Savings = Investment. In this context, it means that the US market is where global savings accumulates, which makes sense when you consider that by definition countries which produce more than they consume must export the difference, and there's only one place with both liquidity and open capital markets on the planet: America.

>>19150882
Yes, but suggesting foreigners are short $13T is ludicrous when they own $47T in dollar denominated assets. There's a reason the markets shit the bed when the DXY is over 100 for more than a little while. Foreigners selling assets for dollars. The Fed must provide those dollars or foreigners will crash the markets. It is the Americans who are being held hostage by their own currency. Otherwise why provide swap lines? Why not allow the dollar to wreck the globe and have an empire where the united states owns everything?

>>19150961
Foreigners aren't short anything, but you have to understand it from a non-Western position, because that's a massive chunk of those assets, and it's not just stocks, but real estate. In essence, what you're witnessing is panicked capital flight from increasingly risky-to-hold-capital-in countries. This is especially true of China, but also increasingly from the Eurozone as the Euro begins to collapse in value.

>>19151015
>>19151015
Foreigners are short $13T in dollars. Thats the whole point of this thread. However the maturities are over the next 10 years not $13T this year. This isnt panicked capital. Look at the chart>>19150785
. This has been a slow build of the United States having treasuries as their biggest export. Americans import products, export dollars and foreigners buy $ assets with those dollars. If this thing was to rapidly self correct, americans would be suddenly paying for all those imports they bought with credit over the decades and real estate, stocks and treasuries would crash to zero. That is why the FED is giving dollar swap lines to foreign countries. Foreigners have america buy the balls.
If some new trusted foreign exchange currency for trade was adopted(perhaps some form of crypto) It would be an immediate rush to sell dollar assets and wipe the dollar debts. The united states would be finished in weeks. The fed would need to print 47 trillion to cover the decline in asset prices. It would be immediate hyperinflation. Jerome would be faced with the same problem the Weimar central bank chair had. Print the money or trigger the revolution

>>19146958
Hey man can I buy your car?

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