/biz/ - Business & Finance

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>>19039901
Hi Fren, what are you making? What language do you use? Do you enjoy it? Are you in a large city?

Let’s help eachother!

You’re getting fucked over and could be making way more then you are but they are taking advantage of the fact that you interned with them and don’t know your value. Even with your limited experiences you could ship yourself around and get paid nearly double

The certification racket is kind of a joke IMO. I understand the appeal but in my experience when jr comes to this field people care less about your merit badges and more about whether you can fucking do it. Make a project or two on GitHub. Python is pretty great for scripting. Let your interests carry your endeavors forward.

>>19039973
ML is full Python, I'm also working on Tor (in C) as a hobby and have done some golang. Got fucked by coronachan aswell since my internship will be 3 month instead of 6

>>19039791
>wage
>make it
pick one

>>19039791
Just get your PMP and pretend you know what you're talking about for 25 yrs, then retire as upper management.

>t. seething developer

>>19040007
>You’re getting fucked over and could be making way more then you are but they are taking advantage of the fact that you interned with them and don’t know your value. Even with your limited experiences you could ship yourself around and get paid nearly double
How

>>19040007
So in your opinion having a good github is important ? Mine is full of "good" projects I made myself but I'm not getting any feedback from big companies (GAFA and stuff), not even a shot at an interview even though I think I could do well

>>19039791
>>>/g/75851891

>>19039791
> Information Technology: Cybersecurity concentration
1) Learn python and C.
2) Become DoD 8140 complaint
3) ???
4) Profit (Make 4-6x your current income depending on skill level and work history.)

>>19040103
having a github is going to put you ahead of 90% of candidates when looking for junior level software developer jobs. it's definitely worth doing. I put up a bunch of programming puzzles and even some class work I did. something is way better than nothing.

not sure I'd recommend the career path though if I'm being honest. it's a grind and it's becoming way too saturated. I like programming, but hate the industry.

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>>19039791
If you can get to Software Engineer level, totally do it.

>Is it worth it?
Definitely. I wouldn't want to be an investment banker because there's a lot of anxiety tied to market performance. I'm in the aerospace/defense industry so I have pretty much guaranteed job security regardless of what the markets are doing (we're actually hiring right now - a lot of contractors are) - all we care about is how big the yearly defense budget is. Plus, having a clearance adds ~$30k to your value. 2 years out of college and I'm making over $80k, which is awesome here in the Midwest. Could easily get $100k+ in a city.

>Do you enjoy what you do?
Very much. I'm very driven by having a sense of mission - I probably wouldn't be as thrilled if I were at Facebook and figuring out ways to collect people's data and sell them ads. Our work culture is pretty chill - my boss always has my back, and her boss and on up the chain is chill too, program managers and all. The only person I've really had friction with wasn't in my chain and recently retired.

>How many hours a week do you work?
I/m 40 hr/week salaried. Dope part about being a defense contractor is that you have to charge each hour of work to the customer (part of fairness regulations so companies doesn't underbid and overwork their employees), so I also get paid hourly. And some weeks that means 60-65 hours, and those are usually travel weeks which also means you're getting per diem, paid hotel, flights, etc.

>Any life regrets?
Not really. There are definitely alternate paths that my life could've taken and I'd've been just as successful, if not more, but I have faith that I've been put on this particular path for a reason. As an example, it took me 6 years to graduate college (had pretty bad depression/anxiety), and I have the student loans to prove it. I also had a suicide attempt in there, which made my clearance process take a lot longer. But I did graduate, I landed a sweet job in a sweet...

Cloud Software dev here in the UK. I'm making about £54k a year, not in London. Am I doing good or should I look for better?

>>19040182
Can I put up a github under a pseudonym and then share it with employers? I don't like people googling my name and it coming up

>>19040043
Yeah, unfortunately I don’t have a large pool of capital available right now to start a business, but I hope to start one, one day. I had gotten pretty good at options trading and managed to turn $500 into $30,000, but got greedy, made bad trades, and now I am down to $1,800 in options $1,600 pulled out in cash.

I think I might take the /biz self starter pill, while investing, and holding LINK

>>19040062
I see a lot of this, seems like there are better jobs in Tech than development, that pay slightly less, but are far more attractive in terms of actual amount of work. I’m considering sales engineering since I am relatively good with people

>>19040243
Entirely depends on level of experience, but that's pretty good

>>19040229
(cont'd)

>Any life regrets?
...I landed a sweet job in a sweet place, I've made a lot of good friends, even a girlfriend, bought a house last year, and the bad stuff has made me more empathetic to others in my life, including my sister who I've been able to help out a lot.

>Is my vision fucked?
It's starting to get there. When I graduated, I had perfect vision. 2 years later, I'm starting to go slightly nearsighted in my right eye (if I had a prescription, it'd be -0.25) - pretty minimal so far, but it'll only get worse, I'm sure.

Final thoughts: a lot of software engineering seems to be heading towards DevOps and deploying code in addition to writing it. Spend a few hours playing with Docker (and Kubernetes if you're really ambitious), and you'll have a huge advantage over most other folks applying right now. Also, knowing concepts is much more important in the long run than languages. Know some common software engineering patterns (OO, MVC, REST) and you'll be able to hop to a new language when your company decides to start playing with Go or something like that. Python and Java are a pretty good starting point.

>>19040379
Like 1 year

>>19040366
>>19040060
Tagged the wrong thread. Phone-posting

>>19040380
Awesome fren! Sounds like you made it. That’s nice that you get salary, and overtime.

I’m highly considereing something like this route/ government. Because it seems the pay is relatively competitive, and you get to do work that isn’t too terrible. I think my main goal would be having a job like this, and investing on the side.

>>19040243
that's pretty good for a britcuck SWE role

amazon bristol?

>>19040304

Of course. Hack the planet!

>>19040542
It really is a sort of "best of both worlds" situation - all the benefits of being salaried (health care, flex time, etc, not to mention the 401k and pension) with the extra pay if you go overtime (of course, it's 1x overtime, not 1.5x, because that's how you charge labor on contracts). In this industry, it's very competitive, and it's common that someone will start out at one company, get their clearance (which the company pays for - roughly $10k for TS), and then hop to another company that's offering 25% more money.

The best part about contract work is it's always a new thing to build, and new skills to learn. If you love the project you're on, awesome, and if you don't, well, you'll be on another one in a few months anyway. Often too you'll be on 2 or 3 projects simultaneously, so you can balance it out.

I also like investing on the side and treating it like a hobby instead of as work. I've barely done any personal code projects since I started working - even for something I love, I like having most of my non-work time not really related to programming.

>>19039791

1) SWE is a pretty chill job, depends on your manager desu

2) Don't really enjoy it but don't hate it either

3) <40

4) Wish I did internships in school

5) Vision is fucked but not because of programming lol

t. SWE new grad 75k CAD

>>19039791
if you got exp as a network eng then why dont you just stay as one? I heard net engs that know python make bank and python is easy.

>>19039791
Once you get familiar with the language you prefer,imo stay away from java/php aka the slave stack , learn basic design principles like domain/test driven design, read about clean code and get the basics of version control systems like git , contribute to some open source programs if you can in your free time , get familiar with technologies like docker and always look up new technologies and open source projects and you will be well off.Imo project based learning works the best , so you can have the satisfaction of creating something and building upon previous mistakes.

>>19040886
I very well may “stay” a network engineer. What is happening to the industry, is all the good jobs are requiring their “old school” network guys, like me, who do Route/Switch and firewalls, and mainly work through the cisco CLI, to become more “DevOps” becoming “the IT” guy in the office.

They are heavily, heavily, pushing code, so I want to become a “Software Engineer” to be good enough at code to do either position.

I like what I do, but need to find a way to also make some money, and it seems like Software Engineers make a fair amount more. But yes I could always learn python, and get a network automation gig, which is what I might do.

Have you considered becoming a pentester? Look for /rpg/ in the biz archives

>>19039791
>Since you must be relatively smart to program,
Depends on what you're doing. Writing code that's going to control a rocket, sure. Changing a wordpress theme so the css looks more like some companies brand, probably not.

>Investment Banking
Probably should watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbuborn14Mc
tl;dw: not as well paid or as interesting as it used to be

>How Much of a Jew is your boss
I've worked in the industry 12 years. Have had a share of bosses. The worst I've ones I've had to deal with in the past, I've learned to spot over time at the interview stage or from asking around. Do your best to avoid 'red flags' but know that until you've had some experiences with different bosses and a network of people it'll be harder to spot the ones not working for.

>is it worth it? or would it be more profitable...
If you enjoy solving problems and building things, then sure. But remember that you're being hired to help the business. Software is just part of that. I've worked with plenty of autists who were pretty good with coding but because of their lack of social skills, failed to get noticed or understand what Stacy in Business actually meant.

Since you're coming in at entry level, don't expect too much. The main thing is you're learning something and developing your skills for your next job, it will likely take a few companies at least before you find something that you enjoy more as you have more options and more responsibility. I would also say, don't take this line of work simply because of the pay. I went to university with a guy who just took CS because he wanted to earn good money. He's smart and worked hard but he's fucking miserable now because he's invested years into it and has kinda trapped himself there because he kept getting more money and moving into something else would cost him more each year.

>>19040103
My github was the sole reason I got my first job. I didn't have any decent projects, but they could see that I was coding every day. I'm 2 years in and make 73K with a 10K a year bonus. I just hit 1 year with my current company so I'll probably bounce soon and move up to at least 90K.

>>19042232
>>19043418
For me I see coding as a means to an end. Software Engineering seems like one of the best “Work from home” jobs there is and until I make enough in the stock market, it will have to do.

Thanks for the insights everyone here! I greatly appreciate it

Were all gonna make it frens, remember to accumulate LINK

>>19043698
That's how I feel about it. I don't love writing code, but I don't hate it and it pays really well. Funds my investments so I can retire early.