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19036311 No.19036311 [Reply] [Original]

Why are some people so driven while so many fall for excess or listlessness?
In the past a man didn't have endless entertainment and had to work for his survival, but today?

What state of mind makes people grind through something like med school or bodybuilding when you could just sit at home and maintain yourself in a perpetual state of half satisfaction with video games, porn, series and shitposting
>inb4 it's just passion bro

>> No.19036394

>>19036311
>What state of mind makes people grind

Compensating, the need to proof, egotistical urges, etc

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>>19036311
>What state of mind makes people grind through something like med school

I think it's genetic some people are high achievers by brain wiring, some are lazy. Also it could be some childhood trauma that sets some people to try achieve more to prove themselves something, that's easy way to mental issues too. There are lazy ants too in animal kinddom. If you're extremely lazy but extremely smart most dont succeed, few do, bukowski is a good example he was very lazy

>> No.19036420

>>19036394
try self-actualization and recognition that fantasy self-actualization is what keeps other people going.

>> No.19036456

>>19036311
>excess or listlessness?
coping with failures and hopelessness. Believing nothing can change
>What state of mind makes people grind through something like med school or bodybuilding
feeling something not being satisfied in their life, believing they can change it. Also for those things there is enjoyment to be had for many people

>> No.19036494

>>19036420
Tell me more

>> No.19036628

It is genes mostly. Evolutionary pressure to realize potential of your genes which leads to higher status and more resources which leads to higher chance of reproduction of said genes. Same reason why Lion is roaring proudly after he defeats challenger. It is pure nature.
But ofcourse biodiversity in humans is great there are also losers and betas, who wouldnt make it in nature but can survive in modern world so we have plenty of them around.

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19036641

>>19036311
>>19036420
>>19036494
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. High output is scratching that internal itch we all have for finding purpose, once all the lower areas have been covered.

We no longer live like peasants working all day for our next meals, so now most people have the lower rungs if the hierarchy satisfied. This leaves us with too much free time to become dissonant with the more internal & intangible tiers. Really is a sink of swim arrangement nowadays.

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>>19036628
It's not the same thing. Reproduction and achieving is not the same while it may sound like it. Ive known many fellas from my childhood who were lazy fucks but they married quite early by today's standards and had plenty of kids
early on. They had very high drive to have family and kids but not that for achieving things outside of that, quite funny. Olympic athletes for
example have been found to have different brain wiring that sets them up to practise more than normal people do, it becomes more effortless for them. That's kinda inborn thing

>> No.19036812

>>19036641
Is there any concrete reason why these topics such as "love and belonging" have certain things spelled out in particular that can be entirely subjective and special, when instead it could just stay more general, in turn allowing for subjectivity? And what does a strong sense for morals and ethics fall under anyway? Y'know... the one preventing you from degenerating. The one liberals who have to consooooom more are lacking entirely, then sliding into increasingly crazy fetishes and everything? Not only sexually, but also morally... because they must have the right to go nude in public or IDK what.