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>> No.18992810
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Is this what a sustainable yield looks like?

>> No.18992818

First for the trend is your friend until the bend at the end

>> No.18992821

>>18992782
Not sure what to drop shares into, I was thinking USO or something. Any recommendations?

>> No.18992835

>>18992821
Unironically worth looking into tankers

>> No.18992848

>>18992782
Can someone tell me what the fuck is going to happen to the markets tomorrow?

>inb4 dip just like memecoin

>> No.18992849

This week will be a bull run

>> No.18992852
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Is this some kind of sick joke?

>> No.18992856

>>18992821
If you’re looking at USO you better understand how the futures contracts that it holds work.

I wish I did so I could figure out when to short it.

>> No.18992857

>>18992835
NAT or TNK? or something else?

>> No.18992863

>>18992852
I don’t know, I’ve never read businessweek and you forgot to include a link to an archive.today copy of the article.

>> No.18992869

Someone redpill me on Anton Kriel?

>> No.18992873

>>18992857
Those are some of the weaker picks. You need to do your own research anon, you won't get better if you're spoonfed.

>> No.18992901

>>18992873
thanks for the info homie, ill get on that

>> No.18992911
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>>18992901

>> No.18992924

>>18992852
You know how it is with media. If we get a second wave (which doctors across the world assumes will be much worse) it will bring down the markets again and media will start screaming about recession a second time around. Clicks pay

>> No.18992926
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Reminder to make your mommies feel special today. See you at 6.

>> No.18992936

>>18992926
Shit, thanks for reminding me.

>> No.18992969
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>>18992926
based and debased

>> No.18992980

>>18992782
kys Jew

>> No.18992985

>>18992852
This is your cue to sell. They're signaling normies to take their bags.

>> No.18992992

>>18992985
Same happened with bitcoin. All the normies jumped back into it and in 10min it did a -15%.

Hopefully the zoomers are getting burned on monday.

>> No.18993004

>>18992863
You realize you could just do that yourself right?

http://archive.vn/XGCCJ

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>>18992924
Oh no not a wave two! We are so doomed for! Thanks for the warning anon I was getting worried for a sec

>> No.18993042
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18993042

Thinking of buying long term puts, like maybe after the November elections. Thoughts?

>> No.18993058

>>18993004
Of course, but you asked the question about the headline. When you ask a question about something, I expect to be spoonfed.

If it were something really interesting to me I would’ve done it myself.

>> No.18993153

>>18992901
/tsg/ isn't a bad place to get some names. I second DYOR. I bought high on a tanker stock and am determined to make a better plan before I move out of it. I believe in you, anon.

>> No.18993167

>>18993042
Go ahead and bet against trump, retard.

>> No.18993188
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I feel so bad not buying

>> No.18993241

>>18993167
Trump is powerless .. he isnt God! There is no sky daddy and Blood red Futures into blood red monday

>> No.18993254

>>18993241
Your funeral

>> No.18993255

>>18993167
That’s not necessarily what it means to sell before the election. Are you familiar with the saying “sell the news”?

And while trump is deregulatory, Biden is comparatively dovish on trade tensions. If the tarriffs were dropped, how do you think the market would react? If regulations were slammed on fracking, what would that do to the prices of oil and nat gas, and/or what might the saudis and Russians do in response?

You’re oversimplifying things because you like trump, you need to try and take your feelings Out of the equation (that’s my guess at least)

>> No.18993256

all in CODX lads

>> No.18993295
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>>18993004
Ok, well this shouldn’t surprise you but the answer is “maybe” and depends on what happens next but also how you define the stages of the business cycle.

It’s kind of like when folks said we had the shortest bear market ever, that was because they were using the definition of the term. Just like that, saying recession is over doesn’t mean it’s all good from here.

Here’s Morgan Stanley’s definitions illustrated in a chart, it’s different from the usual ways to define it, but I’ve been enjoying coverage lately (largely because they called the recession well ahead of covid19 and then called the bottom when the fed did that unprecedented shit)

>> No.18993307
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Is it me or does smg seem like a bunch of people just losing money..?

>> No.18993316

>>18993307
Isn't this like /biz/ in general? Or who shorted bitcoin over the night? lmao.

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>>18993316
That's true. I just wish shit coin was contained to another board

>> No.18993357

Reducing risk to reduce volatility will always lower absolute returns. If you remain fixated on volatility as an enemy, instead of seeing volatility as the source of profit, you will never get this. Buy SOXL. Hold it and win

>> No.18993368

>>18993346
Buy CPB.

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>>18993307
I can't complain

>> No.18993382

>>18993307
it is the biz way, buy high sell low, how new are you?

>> No.18993404

>>18993307
I have never encountered people so intent on losing money and even bragging about losing money

>> No.18993533

>>18993404
Why do you do this to us Brandon? Are you genuinely just a slave to your Asperger's?

>> No.18993579

>>18993307
It's called the Matthew principle from Matthew 25:29: "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." (KJV).

Basically it means a few rich people are always going to take all the poor peoples money, every time, including on this forum.

Same shit different toilet.

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>>18993579
how can they take my money if I all I do is powerful dividend investing in high quality stocks

think about it

>> No.18993660

>muh trends don't work
>muh efficient market goypothesis
Trends develop because there’s an accumulating consensus on future prices, consequently there’s an evolution to the believed true price value over time. Because investors are human and they make mistakes, they’re never 100 percent sure of their vision and whether or not their view is correct. So price adjustments take time as they fluctuate and a new consensus is formed in the face of changing market conditions and new facts. For some changes, this consensus is easy to reach, but there are other events that take time to formulate a market view

>> No.18993691

>>18992857
I've been in and out of a few recently. Look at the last five years of TNK to see just how weird tankers can be. I've never lost a dime, but my gains have been small. If you end up with a bag you can be holding it for a long, long fucking time.
I know little about oil. I do know that when oil went negative it had an impact on the entire market in ways large and small. Oil quickly rebounded in price, but it seems like much of it was/is based on optimism. Production has been cut to a degree, but last I saw remaining domestic storage capacity was around 15%. To a know-nothing retard like me that seems like a problem. It must be a big one if tankers are able to charge record daily rates.
Is the demand for gas going to go through the roof? Will people be cruising around aimlessly just for the sake of going somewhere? Where are they going to drive to? Amusment parks are closed, can't visit grandma because we might kill her and blah, blah, blah.
I guess we have to wait for the 20th or 22st to find out about oil futures. Does low or negative oil coupled with the money tankers are bringing in allow tankerfags to steal a buck or two or share? Does it go even higher? If either answer is yes I doubt the window stays open long. I also wonder if clown market completely ignores tankers and their profits and jumps at another oil dip instead, to hell with second quarter tanker reports.
>tl; dr
FRO and DHT have been the most popular here. NAT gets shilled the most. STNG and TNK interest me a bit but I don't know that I want to get caught without a chair when the music stops. Do your own DD and make the choice that's best for you.

>> No.18993705

>>18993579
>"The rich get richer while the poor get poorer"
>The poor proceeds to gamble on the stock market without knowing even the basic concept of trading
>"FUCKING RICH PEOPLE GETTING RICHER N SHIEET"

>> No.18993706

>>18992992
Same shit happened with the media during the GFC before the second fall
'Its all ogre! BVLL BVLL BVLL MARKET IS BACK!'

>> No.18993759
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>>18993316
I DID

>> No.18993762

Anyone here playing CSCO earnings? I’m feeling comfy in my calls but I’m already up x3

>> No.18993796

>>18993759

Eröffnungskurs: 9639.88
Schlusskurs: 8573.71

Schließungszeit: 10.05.2020
02:31

>> No.18993804
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reminder that

wife + small house on mortgage > prostitutes + rented suite

>> No.18993820

>>18992926
Oh god damnit. Thanks.

>> No.18993847

Today I learned you should absolutely catch the knife and guess the bottom as long as it's a good long term stock. "Don't time the market". No. The only people who aren't "timing the market" are boomer who say "gimmie Disney today!" and put in a market order. If you set a limit order, your are "timing the market".

>> No.18993877

>>18993762
CSCO is literally free money now

>> No.18993926

>>18993877
Checked and based. I’m dumping before earnings. Not letting greed take over

>> No.18993956

>>18993847
>If you set a limit order, your are "timing the market"
nah, if you set a market order and your broker is selling order flow or there's a glitch of some kind or blackswan, you might get fucked real good. you still going to buy at market price using limit order if time is sensitive

>> No.18993969

>>18993926
This, don't get DHT'd by clown market.

>> No.18993987

>>18992924
No they don't. They FEAR that it may be worse, but not every virus behaves like the Spanish flu. Some mutate into something significantly less harmful and go away, that's what H1N1 and SARS did. We simply do not know at this point, no one does.

>> No.18993989

TANKERCHADS
RISE
UUUUUUUP!

>> No.18994001

>>18993926
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-11/cisco-enters-chip-business-begins-supplying-microsoft-facebook
i'm long. anything cloud is only beginning to moon and cisco sells the shovels

>> No.18994020

I went all in and spent 338,000 bells on Turnips at 97 bells a turnip. Am I going to make it guys?

>> No.18994022

>>18993877
Nah it's already too late

>> No.18994027

>>18994001
I absolutely agree. It just seems like this market is rigged. Companies who smash ER end up having a huge dump lately.

>> No.18994036

>>18993357

90k in DPBG currently, will not be able to add much more the coming year. (when) will I make it?

>> No.18994092

>https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/billionaire-investor-leon-cooperman-reasons-worry-coronavirus-impacts-economy-market-2020-5-1029181382

Another one joined the "stock market is overvalued" club. How long can it go, bobos?

>> No.18994130

>>18994092
what's a billionaire to a trillionaire Fed

>> No.18994170

>>18994092
All these billionares missed the dip in February and want another crash now so they can cover their losses.

Just like Warren Buffet who made all airlines stock dump 10%. Few days later they rose again, guess who bought?

>> No.18994202

>>18994036
The trend is still up. As long as that remains the case and this virus starts to recede into the rear view along with steady injections of well timed good news from the US government and associated entities, you'll make it. And sooner rather than later (5 years with your present stake). If Trump loses in November that would the thing that could knock us all off track. In which case I'll be on a sell button hair trigger. I'll be here in a few months shilling a hard sell for all I'm worth if things get that bad though

>> No.18994221

>>18992782
guys, shill me a good portfolio manager so that i can follow my stocks properly. using Excel is a huge pain in the ass.

>> No.18994222

>>18994202
>if Trump loses in November
not with all the trumpbucks dispensed

>> No.18994286

>>18994170
Nobody bought back in besides retail investors who think they have bought the top.

But this time it is for sure different and the first V shape recovery in history.

>> No.18994304

>>18994202

Sounds good. I hardly check biz anymore, I just ctrl F SOXL in this thread every once in a while to see if your shilling has changed lol. If get to 300k off DPBG in under a decade I wanna come thank you in person.

>> No.18994312

>>18994286
>how does the market work
Many bought back in as you can see by the rising prices.

Keep being retarded

>> No.18994357

>>18994304
Sounds good man!

>> No.18994432

>>18994357
Sounds Good Broseph.

>> No.18994436
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how do you become not emotionally invested. Like the best thing long term is put most of my portfolio into KO/BA but damn its such a rush seeing a stock go up 5-10% in a day.

>> No.18994466

>>18992856

As it gets closer to expiration, the price will likely drop just like it did in April. It's like a game of hot potato. Nobody wants to be left holding the futures contract at expiration, because they don't have the storage capacity to take delivery.

USO did start positioning into some longer dated contracts to avoid this going forward, though. So it won't be as bad as it was last month.

I don't think you'll see negative oil prices, but it won't stay at $20+. June futures will probbly expire at around $10-12.

>> No.18994471

>>18992782
Convince me not to do this guys. I'm going all in with $12,000 in BORR. Within a week I'll double my investment even in the crab market right?

>> No.18994476

>>18993255
They don’t respond to critical thinking

>> No.18994529
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>AWR
>AWK
>YORW
>CWT
>WTRG
>MSEX
Remind me again why you don't invest in water companies?

>> No.18994568

>>18993989
Recommend me a tanker, I'm all cash on ToS right now and need a play for June contracts.

>> No.18994603

>>18993705
That's just bizlets, most poor people spend their money on dumb college degrees, $200 jeans, $1100 iPhones, $40,000 new cars with 12% apr, and fast food for every meal. So it's just low iq

>> No.18994606

I need RTX to boom so i can offload these fuckin bags.

>> No.18994612

>>18994529
>all tech stock like high p/e
Remind me again why I should?

>> No.18994615

>>18994471
Why do you think it will go up?

>> No.18994638

>>18993705
>the basic concept of trading
the basic concept of trading is bet -> profit -> sell. analyzing the market is delusional and you have watched Big Short too many times

>> No.18994661

>>18994312
>Doesn't understand that QE inflates the prices of assets and the big institutions need fresh money to dump their bags on
Welcome in your first bear market.

But surely everyone bought the dip and we will go back to normal like nothing happened. Let's all close our eyes and hold our hands.

>> No.18994690

>>18994661
>https://www.travelpulse.com/news/cruise/carnival-bookings-drastically-increase-after-announcing-new-sailing-dates.html
>https://www.barrons.com/articles/shanghai-disneyland-tickets-sold-out-in-minutes-disney-stock-is-rising-51588949428
Oh no no no

>> No.18994703

>>18994615
It must right? Nothing stays at bottom forever.

>> No.18994713

>>18994703
Lol

>> No.18994714

If I wanted to make a volatility targeted investment, what's the best way of implementing a constantly adjusting rate of leverage?

Consider if there was someone willing to lend me money for this, it would be really inefficient because the amount of money borrowed is constant, yet the amount of money needed in any given time period is varying. This will result in excess interest payed.
I'm not a major financial institution who can do overnight loans.

Options... well i'll have to do more reading.

>> No.18994744

>>18994568
DHT and EURN for divvies on top of appreciation, STNG for raw appreciation, FRO for moonshot, TNP for greek.

>> No.18994756

>>18994606
I'm kinda worried it'll crash even lower. They're laying off a lot of workers and being investigated by the sec and doj for bribery. But then again stocks only go up.

>> No.18994775

>>18994661
Sorry you are right, the stock market will go to 1$ and the world will end

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>>18994690
>A representative with Cruise Planners, an American Express travel advisory firm, told TMZ that bookings were up 600 percent compared to the previous three days before the May 4 announcement by Carnival that it would return to sailing.
>up 600 percent
>6 * 0 = 0

Wow.

>Tickets for the reopening—although with limited capacity under government regulations
>sold out at 30%
>China

More wow. This is the country that has escalators that literally eat people.

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>>18993307
Only on the weekend. All the kiddies who use their lunch money to buy TVIX and tankers a month late complain they are losing.

Check the smg during the day, when wagies and kids are not around. It's comfy, it's cozy and people are making gains.

Also, never trust a cat poster.

>> No.18994793

>>18994690
Do you even use your own logic?

Carnival bookings hit rock bottom. People got vouchers for another one, if they were cancelled...same with theme parks...but hey, cherry picking random stuff shows how idiotic people really are.

>EPS will suffer for several quarters
>Consumer confidence wont recover for several months
>Luxury brands demand is hitting rock bottom
>New home buildings / sales record Low
>GDP massive drop
>Unemployment record high

And you are showing me 2 random, easily debunkable links? How deluded are permabulls? Fucking /Smg/ is filled with retards since Corona.

>> No.18994794

>>18994756
Could go either way divies coming up and the bottom might be in. The SEC thing was reported back in feb and im guessing word got out about the doj which is why it dropped despite beating the expectations for their earnings. Also they are fuckin on a roll with contracts lately. Really hard to tell

>> No.18994804

>>18994714
chlorpromazine 50mg twice daily

>> No.18994809

>>18994775
Is that what I implied? Stock market is overvalued and overbought, if you think otherwhise nobody can help you.

>> No.18994822

>>18994793
my logic is people are desensitized reading beer news every day and couldn't give a fuck about it. also a couple million old people dying means less strain on the pension system + death taxes, so moon it is

>> No.18994845

What's with all these doomers? You guys are just salty you didn't buy in and aren't profiting right now.

>> No.18994858

>>18992821
I really like 2x leveraged bull index ETFs like SSO and SPUU as a couple examples. They don’t catch as much decay grindage as 3x but still capture twice what you get with SPY going up. Assumes you’re bullish. Some favorites I hold for divvies in my Roth are BST, SPHD, SPYD, PPL, PCY (iffy on this now). Monthly payers are based. Ones I also have but might not recommend as much are SDYL (UBS 2x ETN), QYLD, SDIV, DIV.

>> No.18994860

>>18994529
I'm looking to pick all of those up except YORW as well as XLU for electric utilities.
Looking into WTS and others as well. Glad to see a fellow utilitychad.

>> No.18994880

>>18994845
Europeans. They're all fucking moody nihilists

>> No.18994918

>>18994845
Logic

>> No.18994957

>>18994845
Not a doomer but the market tends to price things in already for a year to 2 years in the future. So when the economy opens up theres no guarantee stocks will go up

>> No.18994996
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What are some unmistakable BEAR market signals?

>> No.18995016

>>18994822
People are following the painted lines.

>>18994845
If you haven't seen the economic, fiscal, or monetary information you'd do well to update yourself on it. Nothing looks OK, nothing looks good. If you just think about the cascade effects of consumer spending rapidly dwindling and magnifying it over the next 3 months and the effects it will have on businesses reliant on ceaseless income from razor margins to maintain their limited buoyancy... Go look at PCE or PCEC96, we're at 2x GFC levels and we're very probably going lower.

>> No.18995031

>>18994845
Many such cases! But seriously, any random check on trafficked investing forums will show the same bear arguments raging against the upward trend. The illogical part is still not admitting that the market is rigged to the upside and you’re going to have many more up days than down, and just because something doesn’t make sense on its face it doesn’t mean the market has it wrong. I always think about Peter Schiff’s common line that goes something like “The market just doesn’t know it yet!! But it should be going down, they just have it wrong!!” Their moment in the sun came and went, and with a $37 trillion total market cap in US equities, the herd is clearly setting up for when this nothingburger is behind us for good.

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Anybody have any semi-decent small/mid cap options stocks they want to plug? I'm looking for something to add to my watchlist.

>> No.18995037

>>18994957

If futures dont open red then i am selling all my tvix and leaving the market for awhile ... this market is fake and gay ..


Maybe i will come back when it stoos being so boring!

Bitcoin is more exciting than this crap

>> No.18995051

>>18993796
nice

>> No.18995073

>>18995037
Oh no, please reconsider. What are the world markets going to do without you

>> No.18995081

>>18992782
Question for the true patrician class: how much is required to have a fixed income, like buying enough good divvy stocks or derivatives to neet the rest of your life? (Of course no huge spending afterwards)

>> No.18995082
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18995082

Imagine investing in stocks while never having read pic related. You’re literally never going to make it.

>> No.18995103

>>18995081
1million, plus money to get a house+taxes

>> No.18995107

>>18995037
Haha fucking loser

>> No.18995113

>>18995081
once you make it, you'll know
just keep buying stocks and once you have enough, it will be evident

>> No.18995137

>>18995036
ADM has a fantastic dividend record going back 80 years uninterrupted. Bullish

>> No.18995148

>>18995082
Sell me on this book, what will it tell me that I don't already know?

>> No.18995161

>>18995081
Suppose $20k/y is good enough for you and you are buying divvy stocks right now that will not go bankrupt and will return to previous divvy levels once this is over, $100k worth could be enough. Under more normal circumstances, $400k or so.

>> No.18995164

>>18995081
Just posted about this but ADM returns 4.16% a year in divvies so do the math

>> No.18995174

>>18995073
Well shalom to you too schlomo

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any anon who wants to be a degenerate like me, going to put my portfolio if i can get an entry at 42 range,CSCO has earnings wednesday...

>> No.18995218

>>18995186
CSCO is a dog.

>> No.18995228

>>18995073
i am actually thinking about acquiring blog network so i could bring more people into the market and shill my positions

>> No.18995232

>>18995218
and is dog bad or good?

>> No.18995233

>>18995081
With smart oil plays maybe 300k minimum to get 30k/year. That would only work if major expenses or debt is taken care of.
Meanwhile 30k in bull leveraged ETFs (that you sell immediately upon seeing the VIX rise) will achieve the same thing

>> No.18995264

>>18995082
>Robert j shiller

>> No.18995265

>>18995233
Rise by how much?

>> No.18995274

>>18995107
Why loser? Idc about my losses. I make enough money at my job that -$6000 doesnt bother me.i am an essential worker and can write it all off on my income tax ..

Also I got plenty of credit cards to soend money on ..

Keep your gay market. Stonks only go up right?

>> No.18995292

CAT

yea or nay?

>> No.18995301

>>18995082
yes goy buy our books, good

>> No.18995323

>>18995218
Gotta agree with this anon. Cisco has been hemorrhaging market share for years. Double dip licensing model, and releasing stillborn products like firepower and nex fabric for years.

All the cool kids are moving to Palo Alto ($PANW), so if you want to make a growth play into commercial networking, choose them. No one is buying Cisco gear anymore and getting stuck with their rent-seeking license model for mediocre gear.

>> No.18995328

>>18995082
How often do you wanna post this retarded book on /smg/? You have already proven multiple times that you have srly no fucking idea about economics nor the stock market.

>> No.18995366

>>18995292
I'm bulls on $CAT. But I see a jobs/infrastructure bill coming out of congress to help get people back to work at the tail end of this. As is, it's a solid company with a stable dividend.

>> No.18995390

>>18995265
VIX over 30 on bull leveraged index ETFs. Buy back in once it goes below that marker for 3 weeks.
That would have "triggered" on:
Sept 19, 2008 (GFC)
May 7, 2010
Aug 12, 2011
Feb 28, 2020 (the current crash)

>> No.18995520
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18995520

I'm gonna get fucked tomorrow biz... and not in a good way...

>> No.18995526
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So why should I bore myself to death resisting FOMO when I can just over diversify by picking up 2 or 3 shares of every tasty reliable midcap or giant grower/dividendboar that's on fire sale right now because the middle class can't budget for shit and needs their tensile money now? As an essential worker with hazard pay, why shouldn't I pluck a little of each low hanging fruit and just ignore the week to week speculations of day traders? I mean, all theoretical bullshit aside, my only really likely outcome bounds are profiting in Q4 or profiting in 2022's Q1 so long as I stick to obvious bargains on established companies, right? Is there something I'm missing?

>> No.18995548

>>18995526
are you asking if you should buy good stocks?
the answer is yes, you should buy good stocks

>> No.18995553

>>18995526
Dividend stocks have been garbage since the 90s. Routinely outvalued by growth stocks. Index funds for example and my personal shill (shared by others) of leveraged index funds.
Dividend stocks are really just the new bonds since bonds are hot trash.

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>>18995301
ofc, uncle yakov. see you at the rabbi's

>> No.18995568

>>18994777
Trips don't lie

>> No.18995579

>>18995526
That's pretty much the way to go as long as you're not picking up hot garbage and you dollar-cost-average a bit.

>> No.18995630

>>18995526
*tendie money
Why the fuck do phones stealth autocorrect after you're three words ahead, fuck I wish I were neeting it up being broke on a PC

>> No.18995646

Is it bad for me to be 100% all in vgt? I'm dollar cost averaging 80% of my weekly paycheck into it

>> No.18995681

evens i buy tomorrow
odds i sell tomorrow

>> No.18995693

>>18995548
Okay thanks will do
>>18995553
I prefer to have a few dividend stocks at least for stability (INTC seems like an okay hold just on its own) and I'm still not sure I trust index funds because of how bond-like they can be and how reliably they seem to downturn with the market
But I'm completely new to investing, so I'll give anything reasonable a try I guess. Shill me a good, reasonably stable leveraged tech index fund that's bargain binned by boomers during all this?

>> No.18995700

oooooooh TVIX gang, ready to lose some more money tomorrow ;)

>> No.18995757

>>18995693
>I prefer to have a few dividend stocks at least for stability (INTC seems like an okay hold just on its own) and I'm still not sure I trust index funds
Index funds outperform a pool of single stock selections for long holds (>6 mths). This has been proved again, and again, and again, AND AGAIN.
And I am not trying to turn people off dividend stocks though if they treat them as bonds. A well diversified portfolio should have bonds but bonds are in the deepest pit they have ever been right now.
>Shill me a good, reasonably stable leveraged tech index fund that's bargain binned by boomers during all this?
Stable is hard to put to these. You still will have gains over downturns but you get much more "pulling out" early like I suggest with my VIX 30 trigger threshold here >>18995390
But here is a list (you can use the DRIP calculator at the top to calculate historical performance):
SPXL
SOXL
TQQQ
QQQ
CURE
URTY (the underperformer so maybe its its time soon?)

>> No.18995911

>>18994996
When the bears finally capitulate and go all in as bulls

>> No.18995921

>>18995757
Cool, I'll do some research and give one of them a try. Are they "stable" enough that I can watch them and make decisions weekly rather than daily at least? I'm working like 60 hours a week right now and it's usually too busy to check stocks during

>> No.18995951

>>18995082
> Shilling a book for Shiller
Fuck off shill

>> No.18995961

>>18995921
My goal is to literally check them once a day if I think things are getting sketchy but just googling VIX once a day would do it (I plan on writing code that will send me email alerts if it happens)

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>>18995961
Or you could set up a tradingview alert instead of being a retarded faggot.

>> No.18996020

>>18996007
Ok :^)

>> No.18996037

>>18995553
Dividend shills are just idiots who ended up bagholding at a loss and are looking for a silver lining.

>> No.18996039

>>18995961
if what happens?

>> No.18996070

>>18996037
There is literally no reason to hold a stock if it doesn’t pay a dividend. If you are speculating on growth, long term calls are almost always better.

>> No.18996091

what time do futures open?

>> No.18996114

>>18996091
5et
futures mean nothing though

>> No.18996130

anyone has the pic about the dividends? where there are a few companies for each week

>> No.18996167

>>18996114
The majority of movement is outside market hours. Has been true for the last 2 weeks in particular. The rest of the day is just following whatever level the futures decided on.
>>18996039
VIX > 30 tells me its active management time
>>18996070
My holds are going to span decades, with a few brief pull outs near major sustained downturns. My goal is to have enough of the best performers to do covered calls.

>> No.18996229

>>18996114
>futures mean nothing though
What do you even mean?

>> No.18996262

>>18996229
That he doesn't know what a future is.

>> No.18996266

>>18996167
So you don't pull out entirely for 3 weeks, you just actively manage more attentively?

>> No.18996296

Bitcoin dumping guarantees the market will too. The market and crypto have been positively correlated since large funds got involved

Just saying.

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>>18996262
everybody knows

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I got fucked today, biz... and not in a good way...

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18996395

Rate my portfolio

>> No.18996404

Best sub-$50 stock to wheel? Thinking CSCO after earnings, but unsure.

>> No.18996425

>>18993804
If you can't buy a house with cash, you're not making it.

>> No.18996439

>>18996425
The only reason to buy a house is to use a mortgage. If I couldn’t have a mortgage I’d rent forever.

>> No.18996442

>>18996404
csco is bretty good
xom maybe?

>> No.18996451

>>18996439
Enjoy being a debt slave.

>> No.18996455

>>18996404
T, PFE, KO

>> No.18996468

>>18996266
I will stay out as long as the VIX stays above 30 but only for these funds. Depending on my time or interest I might use a small part of the liquidity for swing trade plays like I am doing now which is perfect for high VIX.
When VIX goes below 30 and stays there for 3-4 weeks depending on how bad the downturn was I shift back into the leveraged ETFs again.
I stopped buying swing trade positions since Apr 30. Now I am just trying to sell off what holdings I still have.

>> No.18996481

>>18996451
>debt
Brainlet detected. Big boys call it leverage and a mortgage is hands down the best leverage that average jack offs can get.

>> No.18996491

>>18996296
I don't know. It strikes me that you would do both at the same time to prevent giving such obvious sell signals ahead of time.

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18996496

not sure Ill survive tomorrow

>> No.18996498

YCBD finna bouta gain 50% this week boys

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>>18996381
>>18996395
cringe

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18996524

OH NO NO NO NO NO
BULLBROOOOOOSSSS

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>>18996425
still

paying mortgage with stonk profits > being a rentslave until death

>> No.18996530

>>18996491
BTC is only loosely correlated, but it's not a predictor of market performance, especially not against something like NYA. They share peaks and troughs, but it's nothing to gamble on.

>> No.18996553

>>18996091
Noon hawaii standard time

>> No.18996556

>>18996491
>>18996530
It's only recently that the correlation has increased to much higher levels (again), but it's likely to be temporary if it follows previous trends.

>> No.18996595

>>18992782
>As the number of deaths in New York nursing homes explodes, Cuomo announced a new policy Sunday: All nursing home staff must be tested for COVID-19 twice a week, no exceptions. Any nursing homes who fail to comply will lose their license, Cuomo said. He also revealed that the state is now investigating 85 cases of a mysterious respiratory syndrome affecting children that has appeared both in the UK and in the New York City area.
>85 cases of a mysterious respiratory syndrome
Let's fucking go!!!!
New pandemic. Lock down the whole world now. HURRY UP!!!!

>> No.18996630

>>18996556
>BTC is exponential
>NYA flatlines
Not even. What index are you using to compare it with? The only index to have recovered is NDX, and that's such a narrow band of the market it's not even worth using as a metric.

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What is a good scanning program for a beginner? I've seen ThinkOrSwim mentioned a lot, but I can't sign up to Ameritrade since I'm not an Amerifag. Haven't signed up with a broker either to use their apps.

I need something to start visualizing and applying new concepts.

>> No.18996683

How do fractional shares with DRIP work? Say I have it turned on and i go from 3 to 3.06 shares. Can I directly place a sell order for 3.06 shares or would I just have to sell 3?

Asking because TDA doesn't have fractional shares by default.

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>>18996595
Nice. The ayy lmaos are getting serious this time. First it was the boomers, now it's the proto-zoomers. Next, we fight for the survival of the human race. Seriously, though, I doubt we'll see another quarantine unless people start piling up in the streets.

>>18996630
Pic related.

>> No.18996769

>>18995646
You're married to tech so if you are okay with that then no worries.

>> No.18996771

>>18996404
Why after earnings?

>> No.18996802

>>18996760
This is all a test before a completely manufactured 'alien invasion' unites the world under a single power. There was a good documentary that still might be on Netflix that details the plan, made years ago. It's clearly underway.

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>Every other broker is now trying to copy RH memes instead of making their own servies better
Is there any real value to something like this or are they really desperate enough to try to grab some of the insolvent RH users?

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>>18993579
I miss you so much Dr. peterson...
I wonder how much stronger he would become as the world gets ever increasingly darker.

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>>18996683
With TDA, DRIP, and fractional shares, if you sell to close your position, your whole shares will sell first and then your fractional shares will appear to have remained in your account post-sale, but in reality, they will settle for the amount that your whole shares sold for at the end of the day.

>>18996802
kek

>> No.18996882

>>18996802
The documentary is titled Unacknowledged and it is still on Netflix. Watch that, and tell me they are not simply getting the process of widespread civilian control ready.

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18996903

>>18996802
>>18996882

>> No.18996908

I'm in TK. I'm also in another but I'm fishing for a lower price so I'm not shilling it.

>> No.18996918

>>18996836
I can finally invest in Amazon... and for only 5 bucks!

>> No.18996933

Daily reminder that OTSO is your only chance to make it as a poorfag

>> No.18996937

>>18996857
Laugh all you want faggot, they literally have government officials on camera refusing to even speak on specific programs, and they completely shutdown and ask how they've even heard of the programs. You think it's a coincidence the Pentagon just fucking acknowledged UFO's a few weeks back? This has been in motion since the age of Kennedy, Von Braun the inventor of the fucking VII rocket even confessed it on his deathbed.

>> No.18996957

>>18996933
Poorfag here; why is that?

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18996973

>>18996802
>>18996937
what stocks to buy for ayyyyy lmao exposure?

>> No.18996975

>>18996937
Based, what a von Chad fueling a new type of alien government conspiracy theory on his deathbed. Imagine having a private chuckle at the world's expense on your way out

>> No.18996977

>>18996903
>>18996857
> I often wonder, how fast our differences worldwide would vanish, if we faced a threat from outside our world..
Ronald Reagan

>> No.18996983

>>18996937
based schizo

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>>18996882

>> No.18996986

>>18996836
I personally don't like fractional shares but there's really nothing wrong with them

It would be easier if some companies just sucked it up and did a stock split. Cucks like Amazon want to drive the number higher for perceived value instead of splitting though

>> No.18997016

>>18996937
I hope we do get alien contact
It would make this early century interesting, plus I want to see aliens react to the rule34 that will immediately get created of them

>> No.18997022

>>18996975
>>18996983
Thanks, now enjoy this literal US Army recruitment video
https://youtu.be/584zj5YryYI

>> No.18997031

>>18997016
No, it's not going to be real contact. Watch the documentary Unacknowledged. They have the crafts, it will be an entirely false flag 'invasion'.

>> No.18997033

>Zoom would literally go bankrupt if they offered a dividend of 0.1%
>no one would ever buy them because of their 44 billion dollar evaluation
>but passive indexing ETF and funds will have to keep buying it because its part of the Zoomdaq
Zoom is a bubble that can't be popped because of structural problems keeping pins and needles away from it

>> No.18997036

>>18996977
Cool quote, with which I agree, but you're still nuts and buying hot air from a scam artist.

>> No.18997049

>>18997016
How long dick do you need to get an alien gf?

>> No.18997059

>>18996771
They're almost definitely going to fall after the announcement, right? Feels like every tech stock runs up and then dumps. I figure at that point my choice is either low premium or high chance of assignment, though I guess if the premium is good enough it doesn't matter.

>> No.18997074

Red day tomorrow if bitcoin and s&p continues to follow each other like they have for the past months

>> No.18997075

>>18995081
Depends on what your yearly spending is now. Whatever that amount is, double it to allow for inflation. That's your goal. By the time you retire you want to be hitting that amount. So you have time to start. Drip will only aid you. A financial aid, like quicken, is a godsend for spending,networth tracking. Keep in mind, after you retire, your spending may be less which is an extra bonus.

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>>18997033
Webcam app, $160 per share.

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>>18997033
so I disagree with you but you bring up an interesting point that I agree with

why don't more tech companies pay dividends?

there's not good reason why Alphabet doesn't pay even a 1% dividend

I hope investors start to demand some sort of income when this shit ends

>> No.18997102

>>18997036
> I think it's the only way...can you imagine how small our differences differences would feel if we faced a threat from a space invader?
Bill Clinton. Because they're not just reading from a script, and you're not a retard falling for it.

>> No.18997104

>>18997033
Short it then?

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>>18997031
>>18997022
sit pls what stocks do I buy to have the best positioning for when the aliens come

>> No.18997108

>>18997033
>>18997082
>haha my account go zoom zoom

>> No.18997113

>>18996973
Probably anything defense related, particularly defense companies with heavy investment in space-based activities.

>>18997016
>>18997049
The important issues.

>>18996977
The reality of the situation would be that any life form sufficiently technologically advanced to able to cross interstellar distances and remain undetected by the time they reached the inner solar system would lord over us with ease.

On the other hand, if it is Project Bluebook-related, then we were doomed from the start, weren't we?

>> No.18997133

>>18997059
Didn't most tech stocks rise after earnings even if the earnings were bad? Also since the lockdown network bandwith has been higher so I guess networks scaled up?

>> No.18997134

>>18997106
LMT, RTX, shit like that.

>> No.18997136

>>18997101
Tech can't pay dividends because they are fake. They don't actually make as much money as they claim they do.

>> No.18997155

>>18997113
I bet I could wrestle the alien king into submission and save earth

Bullish or bearish?

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>>18997113
>>18997134

but won't defense and space companies be completely out competed by alien tech?
who will buy rockets and planes when the ayy lmaos are selling antigravity laser drones?

>> No.18997159

>>18997104
Shorting Zoom is shorting the Nasdaq is shorting passive investing, currently the king for safe and dumb investing.
>>18997101
Disagree with what? That Zoom is a webcam app worth 160 dollars when it should be valued at like 5?

>> No.18997162

>>18997136
explain, Alphabet and Facebook make a shit ton of money

Zoom I get but mature tech companies have tons of cash

>> No.18997175

>>18997159
there's value to a company where millions upon millions of people use it everyday

>> No.18997176

>>18997113
That assumes they'd travel that far for malignant purposes, which is just absurd to me. Our planet doesn't seem that special galactically to travel that far to conquer and destroy us. More likely they are far superior to us, and study us like we study mice, and like we generally try to(or at least have began to do so) when studying a living creature to try to be as least invasive as possible. Accidents however occur, their technology is probably not perfect, nor their pilots. Throw in reverse engineering, and you end up with government manufactured 'UFO's.

>> No.18997179

>>18997106
Various pharma, we'll need a cure for space-STDs

>> No.18997188

>>18997162
Nearly 20 years later, Facebook's revenue is still almost entirely from ADs. It is simply too dangerous for them to offer dividends if that well spring ever dries up. They took an enormous hit this quarter for that very reason.

>> No.18997205

>>18997049
Who knows, but I'll be among the first to volunteer for the alien sexual reproduction experiments

>> No.18997217

>>18997155
Bearish if you don't wrestle the queen after defeating the king, thus prolonging the inter-species conflict. Bullish if you force her to submit and start a new hybrid species that lords over both humans and ayys.

>>18997158
The defense play is only if we have initial skirmishes. Suffer not the Xeno to live, etc. If there is peace, then go heavy tech and defense, since the defense contractors will still make a mint off of alien weaponry and will likely be given exclusive access to it via government concessions. Similar thesis for civilian-oriented tech. Maybe this, too >>18997179.

>> No.18997227

>>18997175
Yes, but 2000 times their own earnings?
Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and others all had their own versions of this before and are moving to improve them in the future. They are also highly diversified and can leverage their other offerings as sugar to consumers to use for their products.

>> No.18997232

>>18997158
All I can say is, to watch the documentary Unacknowledged. LMT especially is already deeply involved through black budget programs.

>> No.18997234

>>18997188
then they would cut their dividend or not grow it like a normal fucking company

tech should pay dividends full stop.

>> No.18997235

>>18997176
They could be looking for humans as they're potentially one of the rare sentient beings in the universe. Since they're lower lifeforms compared to them, they might not have any moralistic reason not to use us as mice, just like you said. This means breeding us for special purposes and with specific genetic makeups to test drugs and other medical procedures, or using us for biology class as live specimen.

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18997266

>Is it me that’s wrong?
No it has to be the market.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-market-keeps-rising-while-earnings-keep-falling-what-if-stocks-are-right-2020-05-10

Everyone sees it. However we just keep ignoring it.

>> No.18997282

>>18997234
No one cares enough. Tech hype just never stops building on itself. Look at this poster for example >>18997175
MSFT and AAPL started because after surviving tech and dotcom bubbles they had to offer some security to hesitant investors that they wouldn't be duped. It's literally a new generation of investors though that have yet to learn this lesson that are propping up absolute money pits like TSLA, UBER, and ZOOM

>> No.18997297

>>18997266
Dare I say it...
Priced in

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>>18997266
Agreed

>> No.18997307

>>18997235
Possible, but I'd say looking at our own civilization as an example as it's the only other comparison, as we get more advanced these practices are becoming more and more unpopular, with test subject care being at an all time high. I can only assume that trend would continue as we advance to see any physical manipulation as a disgusting act. I just feel that if they wanted to dominate us, they would have long ago, that being said the best slave is one who thinks they're free, so who knows.

>> No.18997334

>>18997307
>as we get more advanced these practices are becoming more and more unpopular, with test subject care being at an all time high.
Don't post ever again, thanks.

>> No.18997343

made $30 on writing a 6.00 GE put that expired last friday. planning on doing the same thing again monday morning.
good luck everyone.

>> No.18997363

>>18997266
This is basically saying that the market is no longer a leading or lagging indicator anymore for the economy. Instead it just becomes an advisor to the economy about where it would like it to be.

>> No.18997364

>>18997282
This is a decent assessment. Even if there's no near term devaluation of tech, the cycling out of tech and into other sectors with the potential for higher returns could take some of the wind out of its sails. That will just take a little more clarity regarding the reopening and recovery efforts, first, but would be consistent with every other business cycle.

>>18997266
>>18997297
>>18997301
Wait, so are we pricing in the fact that pricing known unknowns in could be wrong?

>> No.18997367

>>18997307
What if we are aready test subjects? The planet as a whole? They are sitting in the spaceships and wrining alien-phd thesises about us how retarded we are.

>> No.18997369

recently read that the doctor who 'shorted' 2008 says he sees an issue brewing with passive investing - thoughts?

>> No.18997378

>>18997334
Just because it isn't where you wanted it to be doesn't mean it isn't at an all time high, you colossal faggot. Yeah, test animals got treated so much better in the 50's than they are today.
> Never post again
This isn't your secret club faggot

>> No.18997382

>>18997282
look for high growth companies I get it, valuations can stretch, they're asset-light, etc I get it

I buy index funds so I don't care but hopefully we do demand them at some point

or at least make buybacks pay a tax or something so they become less of an option vs dividends

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>>18997343
Congrats anon, keep up the good work!

>> No.18997393

>>18997369
Passive investing is absolutely why the SPY, Nasdaq, and Dow have nearly returned to ATHs despite literally everything else still being in a dumpster since mid April.

>> No.18997394

>>18997364
>Wait, so are we pricing in the fact that pricing known unknowns in could be wrong?
Everything is priced in. EVERYTHING.

>> No.18997398

>>18997176
Or they seed hospitable planets with engineered lifeforms that conglomerate resources for passive extraction of rare minerals to ease their galactic demand.

>> No.18997399

>>18997367
That's what I'm hinting at with my last line about the best slave being they're free, but if it's the case what are we producing for them? Like what's the point?

>> No.18997406

>>18997378
>be clinically retarded
>post pants on head inbred shit
>too dumb to see the problem
nu4chan!

>> No.18997414

>>18997369
passive investing will continue to "work" in the long run, but in the past few months (and for much of 2020, probably), we will see active investing do pretty well.
but that's it, there is no huge systemic boogeyman that will destroy things. It's just that SP500 investors will make a couple % lower returns because they are holding retail/leisure/etc. through the whole crash and recovery instead of being more allocated to tech and certain bio plays

>> No.18997431

>>18997369
The founder of index investing, Boggle him fucking self raised the red flag on it years ago, and everyone ignored it. The ultimate reality of index investing is at a certain eventuality, that really is accelerating quickly, is a company like BlackRock will be the majority shareholder of both say F and GM. Why would these 2 names continue to compete if they have the same ownership?

>> No.18997438

>>18997399
>what are we producing for them?
stupid memes, maybe porn?
their brains are too smart to be creative in the same way that ours are
think about it

>> No.18997447

>>18997399
Same when we are watching deep-sea fish, the ones with huge teeth and fluorescent head.

>> No.18997449

>>18997431
>>18997414
>>18997393

reminder my index funds are beating your portfolios and will continue to beat them

>> No.18997461

>>18997162
They do not actually make shit tons of money. They process a lot of money. Their margins are fractions of cents, just on a scale of billions. Tech is expensive, its not like a physical asset that when its built its good to go, you have to keep pumping money into it constantly or it falls apart. Even though Google "made" 160 billion last year, it only kept 7 billion after costs.

>> No.18997463

>>18994791
>smg during the day, when wagies and kids are not around
Joke's on you. I phonepost at my desk all day

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>>18997431
Pic related

>> No.18997471

>>18997449
And my SPXL, TQQQ, QQQ,SOXL, etc. plays will, by definition, always beat yours. What of it?

>> No.18997497

>>18997449
I'm not saying they won't, I'm saying they're cancerous to markets, and like most cancers the effects took decades to show themselves.

>> No.18997504

>>18997449
No you're not. I'm up 44% in the last month.

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VTIQ stock?


I heard theyre merging with Nikola and will be like the new Tesla

>> No.18997550

>>18997472
Robbie Rotten's dad owned Vanguard?

>> No.18997554

>>18997369
Interesting topic. I tend to agree. Ackman has a similar thought regarding it, which was made somewhat known after he brought it up to Munger and Buffet at a conference. tl;dr: "passive" index investing is an inefficient distributor of capital in the markets, siphoning capital to companies that won't produce the types of productivity returns that could be made by allocating capital to, for example, small caps well-positioned for short and medium term growth. As passive index investing increases in popularity, more retail investors will view it as a safe way to make moderate returns, and allocate more of their capital accordingly. This causes index funds to hold disproportionately larger and larger percentages of companies, but, because those funds are holding the entire basket of an index, it becomes next to impossible to take on the duties of an active shareholder and hold all of said corporations accountable in the same manner a more traditional investor might. Moreover, there's actually a conflict of interest in doing so with the stated aims of the passive fund manager to return market average performance, meaning that as long as the companies perform well enough, and the passive fund manager's fund performs well enough, there's no real need to take on the role of the investor-activist. The corporations are then allowed to get away with corporation mismanagement more often (even though that's still the case now). The whole market suffers as a result of poorly allocated capital (with respect to returns) and companies that are less incentivized to produce organic growth and more incentivized to participate in things like share buybacks.

>>18997394
But how does one price in NOT being priced in?

>> No.18997588

>>18997554
Passive index investing is why the Russell has yet to see any of the gains (up to and including the crash) to the Big 3.
It is also what allows irresponsible mismanaged companies (Boeing) and incoherent solvency strategies (Uber, TSLA) to not be "punished" as they would have in the past outside of debt interest payments.

>> No.18997639

Idiot question:

Is there anyway to 'Long' a short?

Basically these expiration dates and contracts costs suck, I really wish I could just buy a nega-stock and sit on it all comfy. Does that exist?

>> No.18997654

What about draft kings? I think it will be ~60 dollars end of year. I'm a little scared to buy into it monday , little scared it may continue to make a run. Then find a floor at 25 if I dont into it monday.

I think I can only put 1000 in it.
Holding KOS, carefully watching that monday.
Holding MRO, debating whether to buy more, maybe instead of draft kings.
Have 2200 shares of EMAN that I brought pretty low, think it's going to run to .65 then go down a bit at earnings. Might just sell it then rebuy after it dumps for long term hold

>> No.18997655

>>18997504
Likewise. I just ignore index shills desu. They never seem to understand the criteria being used for the claims they make.

>> No.18997661

>>18997639
There are inverse etfs but shorting right now is so retarded

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>>18997654
Why is MRO so popular on this board and like nowhere else?

What makes them special theyre a 3x at best


The only reason I have them is because they were cheap and I think they might buy some of the struggling competition

Id much rather own CVX or XOM

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reminder that index funds will always win

>> No.18997720

>>18997661
I'm curious, why do you think?

To me, there is no way this fake v after a 30% drop doesn't have some effects yet to be seen, and that doesn't even include that if COVID isn't a 100% hoax (and it cannot be, coworkers family has died of it and friends work insane NYC hospitals) than second wave is guaranteed.

Combine with differing trends in NYC vs rest of US, hard borders almost certainly coming as Governors want to defend their own economies.

Tell me if I'm wrong tho!

>> No.18997744

>>18997720
it is impossible to time shorts since all the logic and "theory" has been thrown out the window by infinite QE.
You may be right on your shorts but instead of paying off in a month you might have to look at year long time frames.

>> No.18997755

>>18997588
Yeah. Sadly, because of the popularity of passive "investing" it will only get worse, which likely mean a decrease in overall market returns going forward on a long time horizon.

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>>18997554
>But how does one price in NOT being priced in?
It doesn't matter how. It is just priced in. Everything is. This statement being wrong is ALSO priced in.

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>>18997772

>> No.18997801

>>18997744
Yeah exactly, I think my theories are true on a long enough time line, but will almost certainly go up until then in this fake market, so I was hoping there was a form of no-time-limit short.

Ahhh wellll

>> No.18997817

>RTX actually went up friday

holy shit maybe i wont lose all my money

>> No.18997823

>>18992926
+

Don’t forget, assholes

Them get back here for the Asia market open

Back to work, wagies! Man your cagies!

>> No.18997836

>>18997817
Ex-Dividend date is on the 14th so there will be a mini-pump on Mon/Tu before it drops again

>> No.18997929

>>18996957
>>/biz/thread/S18951216#p18953405

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>>18993307

Market is a hot potato right now and 90% of the bulls in here are going to get slaughtered. Hedge funds are 3 steps ahead and will always leave you with the bag. Remember max pain. Remember they're right here, in your threads. The more bulls you see, the more you should be afraid. Some of the smartest investors in the world are in cash, gold, short term bonds, and ironically crypto. But crypto is a 20year hold for them so if you're all in crypto you and your paper hands are retarded and you're going to get fucked when it turns out you can't eat digital currency and you need to liquidate at a fat discount. Remember that crypto falls with the SP500, and that it falls harder but will rise faster too. You need to have cash at hand if you're in any asset class to ride out the storm.

Don't get greedy and chase gains, take money off the table if you have a chance. If you're putting money in equity make them short term plays, or in sectors hedging against economic downturn. The worse is yet to come. You've been warned.

>> No.18998026

>>18997969
ok doomer.

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>>18997969
ok bobo

keep sitting on cash and getting outperformed by (((a fucking index fund))) because you sit on your hands out of the market

>> No.18998044

>>18997969
Fucking institutional glow niggers.

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>>18993307
I sold most of my holdings around March 9 and put like ~10% into a swing trading account I have been using since that I will liquidate soon and hold (for my leveraged bull ETF plays I have already discussed here).
I made my one and only options play on march 17. I am not dumb enough to think I can repeat that success again. I was mostly intending to use it as a learning experience. I want to use covered calls years from now.

>> No.18998135

>>18997702
Mro is guaranteed. What's wrong with 3x? It's safe.

I'll check the ones you mentioned. Idk how much longer I want to hold kos

>> No.18998162

In contrast to 7 short positions I have since Friday I opened 10 long orders for tomorrow, gonna be fun week imo

>> No.18998181

>>18998026
>>18998042
>>18998044

Enjoy your max pain. I didn't say don't invest, I said invest intelligently. Markets go up in steps and down on ladders. Every bear market looks like a bull market when you zoom in.

>> No.18998232

>>18998181
>i invest intelligently
>sitting on money because you're scared of (((the crash))) that you're sure is coming

There is no reasoning with brainlets like this that seriously think they can time the market

>> No.18998238

>>18998181
I'm enjoying the shitposting, yes. Cash and other less risky assets are what I've focused on since April for macroeconomic reasons. I 100% agree with your thesis, I just want the institutional glow niggers to stop shitting things up.

>> No.18998281

>>18998232
Do you believe in V shaped recovery?
Timing the market is entirely possible if you're not a retarded normie.
>>18998238
smart man

>> No.18998292

>>18997969
>>18998181
>the usual "i am so much more intelligent than you" post

Just fuck off no one cares about your opinion. You're as worthless on this board as you are in your real life

>> No.18998315

>>18998162
>opened 10
*13

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>green futures
I love when my delusion becomes reality

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>>18998135

Youre right it is safe lol, I just want the bigger ones. CVX and XOM chevron and ExxonMobil. Their dividends are stronger. Everything got purchased up by the time my brokerage account was set up and funded on march 25th lol. Only MRO was in my price range.

I went in on MRO, CWH, MGM , CCL, and RCL mostly

I lost all my gains buying DHT calls the day before the earnings though because I thought record Q1 earnings would raise their P/E and I would be an idiot not to buy.


But I am an idiot for buying because im not an expert in the tanker contago game


>>18998181

I'm with you 100% but im going to invest what I can smartly to improve myself.

>>18998238
Agree also

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>>18997969
The bull
He destroyed his cage
Yes
YES
The bull is out

>> No.18998423

>>18998318
> Futures are.. posters when futures markets aren't open
I love when retards post here

>> No.18998428

>>18998318
Futures open in 1h30

>> No.18998465

Futures have been crabbing for 22h30min

>> No.18998496

>>18998379
BULLS ON PARADE

Futures are currently moving in a dimension orthogonal to their standard axis and will return at 6pm EST. Please prepare OOOO and AAAA accordingly.

>> No.18998497

>>18993316
I was in short XRPUSD because of Elliot wave theory and a trendline switching from support to resistance. My brother was calling me a massive pussy for going short and holding it.

>> No.18998517

>>18998379
topkek we need that as a banner
we're still gonna open red tho

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Would I be correct If my TA on VTIQ predicts a big dump incoming,

I might want to buy some of this

This company is about to have a 10B market cap as NKLA

>> No.18998563

>>18993042
sauce?

>> No.18998606

I wonder what the cope will be when fuitures are green

>> No.18998644

>>18998606
I wonder what the cope will be when fuitures are red

>> No.18998652

>>18998606
Fucking this. Dumbfuck bobos STILL haven't realized that the Fed always wins

>> No.18998672

>>18998606
I wonder what the cope will be when fuitures crab

>> No.18998678

>>18998606
so based


I fucking hate the bobos on this board

>> No.18998680

>>18998606
it is already known to be a red day tomorrow. look at bitcoin.

>> No.18998703

>>18998606
>>18998644
>>18998672
My digits one. RIP market.

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>>18998652
I dunno. Mnuchin is usually the optimistic cheering that BRRRR is on the way. I think him losing his Twitter beef and being laughed at by the American people made him pull the cord on the BRRRRRR machine.

>> No.18998771

>>18998765
>>18998765
>>18998765

>>18998765
>>18998765
>>18998765

>>18998765
>>18998765
>>18998765

>>18998765
>>18998765
>>18998765
new thread

>> No.18998796

>>18998334
That's why I need to watch Kos and eman closely next week. I think kos has a call monday and eman has earnings Thursday.

Xom and cvx are nice and safe, but I am priced out. Mro is potentially x3, exxon and Chevron are 2x at best.

Still likening draftkings as a long term buy. I want to get in soon

>> No.18998815

>>18997801

in the long run market only go up up up. if you find what you are looking for you will lose even more money.

>> No.18998924

>>18997363
The market is nothing but a glorified casino.

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Which app do Canadian anons use for their stonks? I got some PM's and crypto, now looking to sink/invest my $$ into some thing else, since I can't buy a gun... Pic unrelated of course