/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18757467
So your argument is that the monetary system is hyperinflating...

And therefore you think its smart to sit in cash instead of assets?

>smoothbrains should be banned from posting

>>18757526
OP is a genius! I just sold all my stocks I'm going to sit on cash now!!!!

>>18757526
Now is not the time to buy into crypto and the stock market because its being artificially inflated. The market will correct and when it does your shares will be worth shit

>>18757548
Thats not what I said. Its you retards extrapolating your justification for blindly buying in

>>18757578
How will it correct? What will happen after hyperinflation, assets will be worth less money?

>>18757467
RETARD MY MORTGAGE AND YOUR RENT IS STILL THE SAME PRICE

>>18757600
You are experiencing a hard pump mandated by the government to soften the blow of the lockdown. When industry returns the best you can hope for is a soft pump, but most likely a hard crash.

The goal is to sell during the peak and buy again at the crash

>>18757467
>The Federal Bank is pumping so much money into the market, artificially driving the prices up. You’re not actually ‘richer’ what you’re experiencing is hyper inflation.

>>18757578
>Buy stock of company with real value with inflating currency
>Companies with real value trade on multiple international exchanges
>Sell stock in currency pairing denomination which is more stable
>????
>Profit

It's really not that hard to understand.

>>18757652
Soft dump*

devilish OP

>>18757652
>When industry returns the best you can hope for is a soft pump, but most likely a hard crash.

Why would there be a crash? The market is forward-looking, investors expected millions of deaths and in reality it looks like there will not be quite so many so as a result their positive expectations are now priced in. If some new unexpected news comes out then the market will react to that.

>The goal is to sell during the peak and buy again at the crash

How can I know what the peak or the crash is? If anyone could do that they would be the first trillionaire.

>>18757467
>what you’re experiencing is hyper inflation
This fucking place, lmao

>>18757467
>listening to zoomer doomer retards

yeah, nah, thanks dough

>>18757550
what if I sell at highest?

>>18757467
OP IS A LITERATE
OMG CLOSE ALL YOUR SHORTS, YOUR LONGS, CLOSE EVERYTHING, WE'RE FUCKED

>op isn't familiar with basic macroeconomics
mongoloid it doesnt matter that fed is printing $ (even though thats a poor descriptor of whats happening) because every other nation in the world is doing fucking worse lmao. the US dollar is fucking DEFLATING as EUR/USD and GBP/USD hit new fucking lows and the crisis continues as theyre getting it worse than us. you mink.

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>>18757774


You people are deluded and detached from reality.

The world is in a shutdown. Mass unemployment. Hyper inflation is happening.

And yet: because theres a +%2 green number on your chart you think the economy is somehow doing well and your gains are going to last.

>>18758127
>And yet: because theres a +%2 green number on your chart you think the economy is somehow doing well and your gains are going to last.

No one said that you fucking retard. THE STOCK MARKET AND THE ECONOMY ARE DETACHED FROM ANOTHER.

Stocks aren't a mirror of the economy you fucking brainlet, they're a reflection of EXPECTATIONS OF FUTURE EARNINGS.

Simply put investors expected millions of deaths from covid19, in reality it's looking more like a few hundred thousand. Also there's nowhere else to really put your money, interest rates are extremely low so savings accounts and bonds don't pay shit. Where do u want them to invest?

>hyper inflation is happening
Hyper inflation is not happening.

>>18758127
Printing money doesn't always mean hyperinflation. Case in point: Japan's Fed-equivalent printed a shitload during their "Lost Decade" and prices still went down.

Stop focusing on supply and demand independently; inflation is a metric of both.

OP? When should we buy. Please come back

>>18758127
> thinks mass unemployment causes inflation and not deflation

sorry retard you are stoopit

>Hyper inflation is happening.
lol

Waiting for gold to go into the 400s then I'm all-in gold for the 10x during WW3

>>18759386
Why would shiny metal be worth anything during a nuclear apocalypse?

>>18759403
I DON'T KNOW OKAY? I just heard this from some Youtuber..

>>18757467
>fiat hyperinflation
>affecting crypto value

wut

Now that most if not all the great news are priced in, May will not be good for the market, and June will be slightly worse, and July will be even worse when Q2 earnings come out. Remember the market can remain irrational for a long time, but fundamentals will still win.

>>18757467
>assets are being hyperinflated
>dont buy the assets
Bobo, pls.
If you weren't retarded, you'd have mentioned decreased consumer spending fucking up fundamentals down the road and the source of asset inflation being speculative funny money.

>>18759386
maybe 1400s but even then very unlikely, odds are gold smashes thru 1800 by mid may and the literal golden bull run starts

>>18759429
never going to make it

>>18759335
But everyone is terrified of deflation, which is why we had the QE money printing after the '08 crash. We've been lucky so far the money printing hasn't spiralled out of control. Who knows if we will be that lucky again.

>>18757748
>Why would there be a crash? The market is forward-looking, investors expected millions of deaths and in reality it looks like there will not be quite so many so as a result their positive expectations are now priced in. If some new unexpected news comes out then the market will react to that.
This has got to be the most wallstreet thing I have ever read here. No. Investors got scared of the unknown, they didn't expect anything hard. The huge selloff was based on 'this could be very bad'.
New bad news is completely expected if you do your homework on this. It isn't priced in at all.
This rally is based on 'HURR DURR GILEAD SAID THEY HAVE A CURE' and 'DUURRR THE WORLD DIDN'T BREAK YET, IT'S A NOTHINGBURGER'. Plus fed printing and FOMO.

>>18760405
>Investors got scared of the unknown, they didn't expect anything hard. The huge selloff was based on 'this could be very bad'.

That's exactly what I'm saying. The market reacts poorly to uncertainty and it looked much worse than it appears to be turning out to be.

Why do you think on a day when news comes out saying something along the lines of "UNEMPLOYMENT RATES ARE DOUBLE WHAT ECONOMISTS HAD PREDICTED" and the market goes up? - They expected worse.

>>18757467
>Feds
>Pumping money into crypto

Why do so many retards keep saying this? Feds might be pumping the regular market, but they certainly aren't pumping crypto.

>>18758213
>No one said that you fucking retard. THE STOCK MARKET AND THE ECONOMY ARE DETACHED FROM ANOTHER
This should not be the case

>Stocks aren't a mirror of the economy you fucking brainlet, they're a reflection of EXPECTATIONS OF FUTURE EARNINGS.
You sound like someone who has not taken even a basic finance class. You can not claim that "stocks are a reflection of future earnings" and use that as justification for the current insane valuations. Do you seriously believe that the future expectations of earnings are just as good today as they were 1 year ago?

>>18760690
>They expected worse.
HAHAHAHA fuck no. The market goes up because they expect a fat government bailout.

>>18757467
>The entire world is in recession
is it really though?

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You people are detached from reality. Like the stockbrokers who jumped off buildings in the 1920s, you too will come crashing to hard concrete reality.

Every market is artificially pumping because the world’s bank (USA) is pumping money into everything. There is not a single model of economy that suggests whats currently happening is in any modicum sustainable.

When the market corrects you are in for a treat. You are at the high, and the feeling of invincibility will make your finances demise all the more painful.

>>18762844
I agree with you, you fat beer drinking retard.

>>18757467
OP is gay

We’re actually going into a deflationary period. Hyperinflation may follow but could be years

>>18763337
>years
try months

>>18760351
We avoided deflation with the trillions of dollars, were going straight into hyperinflation with zero brakes

>>18762844
LOVE ME STOCKS
LOVE ME CRYPTOS
LOVE ME PINTS
'ATE POOS
'ATE STINKIES
ATE MUZZIES
'ATE REDDITS

SIMPLE AS

hyper inflation, really? You don't understand inflation, argentinian here, 50% inflation per year (might reach beyond 100% this year), trying to make a living is extremely hard, you end up being an expert in finances & tax evasion if you really want to survive

>>18763818
Fed can stop printing money at any time, their system has no inertia. What they did was right, if you stockpiled cash - too bad, should have owned assets, cash is not based on anything tangible.

Its all gonna come crashing down

>>18757467
>You’re not actually ‘richer’ what you’re experiencing is hyper inflation
and the people who dont buy chainlink are experiencing their money devaluing without compensation

>>18764099
When you put it that way it sounds better but they still stole from the masses to pay the banks. The dollar statement should read "Redeemable for whatever the Federal Reserve needs it to".

>>18758229
MMT. finally someone not posting what they heard on a DOOOMBLOG somewhere on the interWEB.

>>18765567
They stole cash from masses to save the massess asses in a way which masses can't comprehend. Banks having no liquidity to operate and small public companies losing all their worth is much worse than inflation, which is going to reach current levels anyway, just N years later. It fucks with the poor, yeah, once again. Don't be poor.

How would hyperinflation affect USDT?

>>18757467
Stocks are not up, they crashed heavily and recovered a tiny bit.
Same for crypto

>>18761531
Future expectations of earnings have changed for sure. But some sectors will see a positive change. An all sector market sell off could happen, but why? People should just move their money into more promising sectors.

>>18757467
Unironically My gage of inflation is the McDonald’s 1$ menu the secound they no longer serve 1$ large drinks I know. Shit got inflated

>>18758229
USA is NOT the same as Japan. We are going to see severe consequences.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sa2rLVvZn-M

>watch sensei George’s video faggot

>>18765732
>masses cant comprehend
huge ego ugh
>banks
banks shouldnt exist, with crypto they'll have to function with honesty or get fucked. the fact we just destroyed our currency's integrity for them is bullshit and you know it.

>>18757467
Do you not understand repurchasing agreements? The trillions created are not going to stay in circulation......

>>18758127
You have no clue what youre talking about

>>18766288
The money fed created for banks disappeared the next day, it was created to keep them afloat during volatility. Fed buying out stocks adds to the inflation, but those are not banks, those are borderline loser companies living on the edge, still adding to the economy and employing lots of people.

>>18766452
those loser companies need to fail for the economy to grow correctly. there should be much better unemployment help here in the US specifically so we don't need to prop up zombies so the populace doesn't starve. the only reason why so many bullshit companies exist in the first place is free flowing business loan money from the same fucking people.

>>18757467
>But stocks are crypto are up
50IQ

>>18766533
You're right in a way, but all of them falling within the same week would cause too much turmoil even for those companies which do well. They should die when it's their time to go, not just because some random flu caused a lockdown and neurotic faggots sold all their stocks and hid in their bunkers.

>>18757467
You don't get it do you? There's no risk. The Fed will eternally print money - the current debt can never, ever be paid off, so who cares? Print more. Ride the wave up, then if they ever turn the tap off sell. Simple af. Why not make gains now? Holding cash is stupid af.

>>18757550
Or they decide to keep printing money.
>50,000 next year is not the same as 50,000 in 2018.

You literally said it yourself, cash isn't worth holding. Holy fuck you are dumb.

>>18766967
>assuming theres only two options
Gold/silver /thread

>>18766955
Holding cash is the smart move because you will be able to buy assets at a lower nominal price further down the road. That's why the entire world is plowing into the dollar, we are watching our country get sold up the river.

>>18757467

>wait for your money to become worthless THEN buy

>>18766955

Unless they're printing money directly into your bank account this is no time to sit back and relax

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>>18766800
Delusional and out of touch from reality.

Notice how your replies are some detached-from-reality scenario. Businesses failing, mass unemployment, artificial inflation. This is not going to be solved by printing more money.

You are arguing against the most basic and tangible truth of reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/29/gdp-coronavirus/

No amount of schizophrenic imagination is going to solve this. Reality is about to rape you like a pack of wild niggers.

>>18768608
Imagine being this mad that you bought puts

>>18768820
Not mad at all. Just pointing out everyones mistake

>>18757467
so are you saying that there is going to be a dump, or are you saying that all this shit will look cheap next year at current prices?

>>18768608
There's no "reality". The economy, the markets - its all fake & gay to convince wagies to go to work every day & make Mr Shecklestein richer. That's it, the sole purpose. Now its just going mask off with how fake & gay it really is.

>>18768884
>I am right
>Market is wrong

>>18767861
>Printing money directly into your bank account
Oh and they ARE doing exactly that - you haven't noticed all the neetbux? UBI will be the next thing, not because "muh socialism", but because it keeps the fake & gay economy moving forever. Most jobs are already pointless, this whole incident showed that - it's cheaper for businesses to lay off all the deadwait & let the government just pay neetbux with slightly higher taxes (or just even more money printing).

You know what the problem is? You aren't blackpilled enough, you still think it all "means" something, or that fundamentals "matter". None of it does, clown world, clown economy. Printer go brrrr forever in a centrally planned, Chinese-style economy.

>>18757467
If your argument is that the rises are due to hyperinflation, isn't that all the more reason to get OUT of the dollar and into something like crypto that won't be hyperinflated

>>18757467
>what you’re experiencing is hyper inflation
what we're experiencing is deflation you dumb fuck. you are the maximum amount of wrong

>>18757467
The world's economy is hyperinflating.
The U.S. is hyperdeflating.

I'M SITTING ON 300K CASH. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

>>18757467
OMG I JUST SODL ALL MY BITCORNS

>>18757467
I know. After the market recovers and I have doubled all of my money I will put everything in pm and jack off/play Minecraft for a few years until the housing market collapses again. Then I will become a landlord and perma neet. My plan is flawless.

Dollar milkshake theory

Which hyper is better, inflation or deflation?

>>18757550
Post shorts

>>18769142
How do markets convince normies to go to work? Normies go to work cause that's what they're told in school and it's their only way to get by in life