/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18733177
idk

if nobody has money but needs money deflation kicks in, the money that is printed goes to the 10% of the richest, who dont need money.

>>18733177

> Fed prints money
> Thinks it instantly effects markets

Are you like retarded?

>>18733177
It's momentary. This is going to fucking explode. Give ot a couple of months, tops.

>>18733177
People aren’t spending.
Also, when the “treasury” sells bonds they are essentially buying dollars out of circulation. In the short term this is deflationary. But then they spend it.

>>18733177
The printed money is never ever getting into circulation. Money supply stays the same...therefore no inflation.

Now consumers cannot buy stuff / don't want to, uncertainty...therefore deflation. ez pz.

>>18733177

Money creation happens when banks loan money. Banks aren't lending as much money because of the risky situation. Less money supply => deflation.

>>18733177
ALERT: THE MARKET HAS PEAKED. PREPARE ACCORDINGLY >>18732228

money goes to stocks and bonds, not consumer goods

>>18733177
>DEFLATION BAD
maybe if you're a billionaire boomer jew
explain how my savings having more buying power is bad for me, an average American?

Jews are magical unicorns that turn 4 trillion dollars into -0.5 trillion

They also have the ability to turn zero into 6 gazillion

>>18733247
This. Remember in the big short when in 2007 they were like ",how the fuck has this Shitshow not collapsed "

>>18733314
people spend less because things get cheaper, you, the burger flipper, will loose his job because ppl hardly go to McD anymore

>>18733207
And none goes to the lower strata so even the small amount they have is being devalued. It’s a (not so)hidden tax and a wealth transfer. We need a revolution.

>>18733250
No. They are not when they sell them to the Fed retard. Stupid or glowing?

Welcome to the deflationary spiral.
>people can't afford to buy products
>demand craters
>prices fall
>businesses go bankrupt
>mass layoffs
>repeat

>>18733349
>people spend less because things get cheaper
lol
>loose
ok retard

>>18733268
start using 'its_habbening!.jpg' instead, you failed Nostradamus motherfucker

Looks like it's time to raise rent

>>18733177
What if the money they print is used to close off debts, which mathematically destroys it?

Sales are down

>>18733529
All money is printed by the federal reserve as debt. Only by the issuance of credit by the US treasury, which will get you assassination-attempted by the (((bankers))), can printing be used to cancel debt.

>>18733349

translation: as long as you don't lose your job this is a good thing for you

>>18733314

Your debt will become more valuable.

>>18733177
Seen the price of oil lately? If the dollar was (hyper) inflated then oil would become expensive

>>18733177
>he doesn’t know
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7nFbKzt-uwE

>>18733349
I'm at no risk of losing my comfy job. I'm accumulating cash throughout 2020, maybe I will make write some options for free money. Cash is unironically king right now. The Fed pumped more money into the banks in a few weeks than they did for the entire 07/08 recession, and we're STILL at risk of deflation.

Other markets all want the dollar right now to flee their crumbling economies. Can't wait to buy a home that was valued at 400K last summer for 120K and some pocket lint.

>>18733177
>it must have all gone into the dollar milkshake, someone should try looking in there

>>18733177
Good I'm staying liquid for the coming profits
Dont spend money anons we must accelerate this

>>18733177
Brainlet detected.
The FED is printing fucktons of money to provide liquidity during this deflationary depression. Give it six months to a year, and you will see the consequences. There’s usually a six month delay anyway, whenever the FED prints money. But it may be a little longer before we see the results. And believe me, they will be apparent. Inflation comes before deflation; deflation comes before hyperinflation. Buy Bitcoin. Buy Ethereum. Buy physical Gold and Silver. Keep enough physical USD for the beginning main stages.

Deflation followed by a period of hyper inflation. Every possible gap is being filled at the moment, when this swings around the market will be flooded with money. You will see the stock market perform well in dollars as the actual value of it keeps decreasing. The Venezuelan stock mark was the best performing but only because their currency was trash and everything increased by its unit of measure. This has happened many times before and is playing out the same. There is a rush for dollars presently but we will be swamped with them soon.

Buy hard/digital assets now and prepare for hyper inflation in the coming years.

>>18734178
Six month delay? Try 6 days, bucko. They went into mega ultra hyper drive
SHIT'S GONNA CRASH SO HARD

>>18733177
inflation is increase in prices not increase in money supply

>>18734514
Six months, bare minimum. Everyone’s IN for one HELL of an Oktober Surprise.

>>18733177

>>18733391
Deflation...

>>18733462
Anon is correct. People will hold off spending on the expectation that prices will fall. Why buy a car for 20k when you expect in a few weeks it will be 18k?

>>18734703
>Why buy a car for 20k when you expect in a few weeks it will be 18k?
Nobody who buys new cars thinks this way. They get a new one every few years just because. Other big ticket items like household appliances get replaced because they break. Penny pinchers who will wait for a good price don't really make up that much of the market for anything significant.

>>18734031
Big Brain right here.

>>18733391
Lets see... 22% unemployment amongst working age americans. That is about 72 million unemployed americans. even if 10% of that is actual hard working honest americans that is 7.2 million people that will have nothing once trumpbux/government aid runs out. We all know the numbers will be much higher then that. What do you think will happen once 7 to 8 million americans at minimum are starving and realize they've been swindled by the bankers and politicians?

>>18733314
debt & unemployment, mostly.

Might not be bad for you personally (yet), but it's bad for the economy which in turn will be bad for you personally down the line. That's how I see it, anyways

>>18733342
Kys

>>18733177
>he didn't read Mikes book literally 15 years ago predicting all of this

>>18733216
There is a slight delay. Once the princes and the bankers have got their money it starts being spent, and by the time the usual wages reach the serfs, prices have inflated because bankers and people below them are buying up everyhting.

>>18733287
Don’t forget the inflation going into Canadian good prices

I've doubled my silver and crypto holdings, anything else to do?

>>18733938
>falling for the credit jew

>>18735517
Quadruple your BRASS and King Oscar reserves.

>>18734031
>the dollar milkshake
Stop making me crave milkshakes darnit!

>>18733177
Nobody buying anything but essentials-price of other shit drops

>>18733177
They have to print to keep up with unprecedented demand for USD. Start thinking globally. No one wants to own euro shit bonds.

>>18735683
When recession eventually ends and we recover, USD demand would theoretically go down since it is no longer needed as a safe haven asset compared to foreign currencies. At this point we would see inflation correct?

>>18733177
The fed is expanding "bank reserves"

In reality there is a shortage of USD, comparing bank reserves to USD is like saying car wash tokens are equivalent to USD

>>18734703
I'm waiting for a Bugatti to drop from $1 million down to $998,000

>>18735745
Also the fed expanded balance sheet by like 6 trillion or some shit but global wealth destruction is probably at 50-100 trillion, they are simply trying to fill in the gap not providing actual stimulus

>>18734578
>>18735745
the only two legit posts in this thread

400 trillion in debt

>>18735770
can you answer my question here o wise one
>>18735718

>>18735570

>>18734775
I think this way and only buy new cars since not being poor anymore. You're mixing up poors with penny pinchers with boomers.

>>18733177
>HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE WITH THE MILLIONS BEING PRINTED EVERY DAY AT THE FED

The street-level normie got $1,200, whoopty fucking doo. Most states don't play unemployment for their gig-economy workers. The Fed is paying $600/week supposedly to these people, but many have yet to see to get approved for that and by the time their state will finally get around to paying it out the unemployment trusts will be bankrupt.

So a lot of people are out of work. A lot of businesses are running out of money. A lot of the big financial types have a vise-like grip on their funds because god forbid they lose money during an economic crisis. The Fed has sent trillions out but it disappeared into various debt and financial instruments and other liquidity traps.

I want a refund for the economics course I took in college. Everything I was taught was a lie and never happens IRL

>>18735570
Brass as in the metal?

>>18733177
Tax refund =/= money printing

>>18735881
Brass as in ammunition.

>>18735900
Ah, gotcha and checked

>>18733177
supply and demand

>>18733314
God man why the fuck do you not have a grasp on fundemental economic principles like inflation and deflation when youre posting on /biz/ guess this really is just a cryptoboard for economically illiterate rards

>>18733177
go listen to George Gammon on YouTube he explains what I believe to be true
the situation is that the entire world is entering economic recession and they want dollars because they are the most secure currency *even though* we are racking up debt and headed for a depression here

https://alhambrapartners.com/commentaryanalysis/

I recommend reading these blogs if you want to better understand the federal reserve and the globals USD hypershortage

https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/countries-vulnerable-to-economic-devastation-soon

Also this blog post on the USD short vortex

>>18735859
You're mixing up yourself with somebody who isn't a moron.

>>18734031
D E L I C I O U S

>>18735790
Yes, anon. This is called the "bottom." Inflation inflates asset prices.

>>18734900
They will sell their homes for cheapies and abuse painkillers.

>>18735938
I haven't listened to him, but looking at other sources over the past 2 months I have come to the same conclusion.

>>18734900
We will see riots soon, especially since the food supply chain is finally being disrupted due to this "pandemic". People need to eat, and the inner cities of New York, Detroit, Chicago and LA will all soon see just how culturally enriching diversity really is.

>>18734031
YEs the dollar milkshake theory on Real Vision(youtube channel) explains this well

>>18733207
unironically this. If the money goes from the printer to only the companies and richest americans (which it is) while the common idiot gets nothing more than a pittance that they squirrel away instead of spending cause they're scared and don't know what's going to happen. Prices for goods and services inevitably get pulled down to where your normal fag can buy those things again without thinking they're breaking the bank

>>18733207
>the money that is printed goes to the 10% of the richest
explain this part

>>18736263
The government will start buying stocks, corporate bonds, real estate bonds ect

But the goyim get NOTHING if the goyim are LUCKY they MIGHT be able to get a loan at 7%+ interest

>>18734228
Ah the post of reason. Shame you’re ignored

>>18733177
>HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE WITH THE MILLIONS BEING PRINTED EVERY DAY AT THE FED
MILLIONS ARE BEING PRINTED EVERY DAY, EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THIS. Not the other way around. Fucking retarded zoomer.
Every single day the same stupid discussion

>>18735570
based /deenz/ bro

>>18736043
this

>>18733462
In a deflationary spiral your money has morr value in your pocket or under the mattress rather than being spent. You have an inflationary mindset because you and don't realize it. We're in a rush to buy things because goods becoming cheaper rather than more expensive isn't the norm.

>>18733177
Dollar denominated debt held outside the US has upward pressure on Dollar. Short term phenomenon. Look into Jim Rickards or Brent Johnson if you wanna know why. Mike Maloney goes over it too. It’s a short term phenomenon in my view. You’ll have massive inflation once those companies with those debts go out of business

>>18736113
Stop, I can't contain my boner thinking about this

>>18733207
>the money that is printed
hint: the money isn't actually printed

>>18736043
So buy more EBS for narcan?

>>18733177
That means another round of stimulus checks are coming. As long as the fed exists, they will never allow the USD to deflate.

>>18733177
1. Essentially this is a demand crisis (while there is supply crisis involved). Thus it's natural that the acute financial effect is deflation

2. Buyout of loans, stimulus and other "printing" does eventually drain into the economy. However, inflation becomes a problem when people are back at work and economy starts to work again with trillions of money in circulation

3. Major thing to notice in this crisis is that major part of the money is not printed and debt being taken is not actually injected to the economy: A lot of it is simply inflating the financial market instead of going to the circulation. Effectively, they are fucking you in the ass with your own money.

>>18733177
Banks create most of the money with giving credit. If people go bankrupt, there is a deflation. The FED giving out free credit and low central bank rates, kills a lot of the banks

>>18736649
>Effectively, they are fucking you in the ass with your own money.
>yfw yuropoors will never be this rich

>>18735570
BASED and /deenz/pilled

>>18733252
so where is the printed money going?

>>18736925
Most of it is reserve notes, settles balances and shit at banks.

The economy will only grow if banks have the will to lend, and people have the will to borrow.

They won't though, because we are over regulated to death, no one wants to start businesses or grow their businesses.

It's unironically over.

>>18736536
I live just outside of Detroit, so I'm curious how it will get here in the suburbs. I'm sure the roving bands of nigs and Muzzies will find their way to me, which is why the AR I bought last month was a good investment.

>>18734999

He's right you know. And nice max trips.

>>18737168
I am in the islamic republic of UK can you send me an AR?

>>18737312
Gear up on butter knives, bike locks and nitric acid, lad. Good luck.

>>18733314
historically speaking a mild deflation isn't a bad thing.

>>18736610
>the world dumps the US Dollar
oops.

>>18737588
then all that stored up economic currency comes out of hiding then A MEGA ULTRA HYPER INFLATION THE LIKES OF WHICH THE WORLD HAS NEVER EVER SEEN SINCE THE ANCIENT ROMANS OCCURS
MULTIPLE CURRENCIES PEGGED TO THE DOLLAR GO UP IN FLAMES AS THE USD STABLE SHIT COIN IMPLODES WITHIN A SINGLE TRADING DAY
PEOPLE DUMP ANYTHING DENOMINATED IN USD
PEOPLE BUY THE LAST BIT OF GOLD AND SILVER
PM CHADS BUY ASSETS SUCH AS HOMES AND THE TABLE FLIPS AS PM CHADS BECOME THE NEW KINGS

MY BONER AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH