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>>18700532
Corona virus bullshit doesn't even exist. You can't vaccinate for a virus they mutate too much and too many strains.

>>18700570
I just can't believe people are making such retarded directional bets, let alone with short-term expirations.

It's basically over now. News cycles can't continue to get eyes on the same story for months and months. They need something new. Trump will stop the daily pressers, "news" channels will need the change of topic, election coming up...all of a sudden the China Virus is back page news. Many hope it continues so they can continue the "different" way of life and continue making funny posts on facebook about what they are doing. It's ending very very soon.

stock bears bet on a bursting debt bubble, corona was just a pin.

>he thinks this wasnt (((planned)))

>>18700597
What makes you think that Corona being bullshit is mutually exclusive with Global Lock-down ?

>>18700532
You guys are retards. Coronavirus is not the issue. The financial crisis caused by the debt bubble being pricked by the coronavirus lockdown is the issue.

>>18700791
*prolonged

>>18700570
We don't have a test for it and the death rates have been wildly exagerrated because every single death in the fucking country that is even slightly related to any of the constantly updated laundry list of symptoms for corona is considered a corrona death.

I'm dead fucking serious.
I mean...they were aslking for fucking blood donations and saying I SHIT YOU NOT that CORONA CANT BE PASSED THROUGH BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS!
How in the fuck is this shit passed then?

>>18700532
some stuff will reopen but concerts, live sports, etc won’t be back until next year. restaurants will be open at half capacity. flights/travel will remain extremely light. most of those 20M jobs won’t come back which means lower consumer spending and lots of mortgage defaults. it may take another month or two but the stock market is going to take another dive without question. it’s insanely overpriced in comparison to the actual economic situation.

>>18700861
The market has absolutely crashed through the floor anon.
It's being artificially inflated to give the big money/well connected investors time to bilk the retarded sheep into buying their less then useless stock.
Also to force imbeciles into taking on mortgages that they honestly might not be able to pay for.

>>18700532
The fact that coronavirus is a nothingburger that's basically just a flu is irrelevant. Nations are in the middle of mass hysteria and panic, and that's what's causing the real damage. At this point, it doesn't matter if the economic lockdowns are lifted tomorrow or 2 years from now. The damage is done. As soon as we "open up", shit goes south quick as people realize that there are no jobs to open back to

>>18700912
The mass hysteria was started and pushed by government and the media and bankrolled by banks and major corporations.
Now it's being used as a way to push gates "culling" vaccine onto the retards in america.

>>18700960
Yea banks and major corporations, famous for enjoying recessions. JCPenny and USO are so hype right now.

>>18700820
Watch this https://www.bitchute.com/video/H4W7FwBy0Ukh/

>>18700532
Even if the lockdowns are fully lifted in a month, the economic damage is insane. Let's forget about the fallout of the lockdown for a second and think what this means in terms of geo politics and outsourcing. The entire meta game just changed. Wake up, bullkek. Nobody knows what the future holds.

>>18700960
I'm still not even sure to what degree this was planned. At first my theory was that the governments were in a hysterical panic like everyone else and not looking at things objectively, but then when data came out that showed the virus was nothing, they needed to double down and pretend it was extremely deadly, because they already sank the economy the moment they instituted lockdowns, and the last thing they want is people to realize it was all for nothing. So since then, they've been playing up the virus threat in the hopes that people will think >50% unemployment rates in the future will be warranted. "because otherwise we all would've died from the chink virus!!!"

But then there was all this shit about how we all need to get israeli coronavirus vaccines and subdermal RFID chips and complete 1984-tier totalitarian police state shit. I'm not sure if that was planned or if they are just being opportunistic with the coronavirus panic to push through whatever the fuck they want.

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>>18700532
At this point, it's very obvious that this all was planned since decades ago..
The world that you used to live and like ( the world before coronavirus) NEVER will appear again!
All staged and prepared for the fenomenal economical crash and ww3.
Their final object is a New World Order, you believing in this or not is completelly irrelevant, what's matter is that the world bankers and elite believe in something occult and want a new world order. Get ready !

how can we profit off of this

>>18700799
The bubble was going to pop at some point if you were keeping up with the growth in corporate debt, inflation and all the other crap that's been happening in the financial markets the past decade. I just wished the bubble would have grown for longer to see what things would be like with a maximum possible crash. Coronavirus popped it too soon.

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>>18701028
COVID is nothing but bullshit and deception, but it's still serving a purposed. It seems the governments are giving us a small dose of Atlas Shrugged before the next step. I think all economies will open sooner than we think. Most people want to go back to work, even those who fucking hated their jobs too. Nobody wants social distancing, or at least most people don't want it. People are desperate for things to go back to the way they were. The govs are giving people a dose of what it's like to take away the things that most people complained about over the years - like shitty jobs, low pay, over population, too crowded etc.. Everyone wants this shit to end and the govs will open everything back up to prevent unrest & total economic collapse. Months will go by, maybe even a year, before the 'virus' appears again. The masses will dread having to repeat what we are all doing right now. By this time a vaccine will be available - if people want to keep working and doing all the normal things, they will need to take the vaccine. If you don't get the vaccine, you will not be able to work, go out, etc.. Most will take the vaccine to avoid going through a lock down again.

>>18701031
agreed...but the data is coming out and multiple educational institutions / biopharmaceutical companies are compiling data and the gov wont be able to suppress all of it. eventually someone is going to have to stand up there at the press conference and acknowledge they fucked up huge and the fatality rate is the same as the seasonal flu. they crashed the economy over a flu

Corona virus is a red herring, and not the cause of the crash.

>>18702168
You overestimate just how easy it is to dupe the plebs. Think about all the times millions and millions of people have been persuaded to go along with something that is blatantly false and with all the evidence making the opposite conclusion. Let's look just within our life times. How about when 9/11 was used to justify invading Iraq at the behest of israel, even when they had nothing to do with it? Or when the entire media and world nations were going on about Assad gassing people? Or how about the entire "muh russia hacking the election" bullshit, which is still ongoing to this day, without a single shred of proof of anything happening at all? People still believe all these things, and it's all just lies piled on top of other lies.

The sad truth is that while the data is out there for all to see that coronavirus is nowhere near as deadly as first feared, the powers that be will not bother bringing this up. The only people who will bother talking about it are those on the fringes, and it will be deemed wrongthink that will be silenced.

The virus is just a cover. The economy was going to crash no matter what

>>18701028
Priced in a month ago

60k deaths in US hasn’t even peaked . It’s ironically over

>>18702338
Nobody cares anymore

this virus scare coincided to well with the repo crisis
the banking structure was falling apart and the interventions of the big central banks was doing nothing in start january that was the big talk how the debt bubble would explode and when deutsche would declare bancrupt
then this virus comes in and all of a sudden all troubles disappear with the numbers putting it at double flu death rate

it is a certainty the reaction was orchestrated, it is still a question if the chinks released a designed virus or if it was bad luck

anyway the world is never going back to before
mass loing distance travel for peasants is going the way of the dodo
the cheap airlines that sprang up the past 15 years are all dead, branson is trying to sell and ryan air boss says they are about to die, with this dies a lot of tourist dependent areas
south east asia, southern europe, central america are all gonna get rekt
industrial cores in the west and east still appear standing

>>18700532
30% mortality in USA so far

>>18702034
>The govs are giving people a dose of what it's like to take away the things that most people complained about over the years - like shitty jobs, low pay, over population, too crowded etc.
So in other words it's now karma neutral to ram the (((System)))'s cock even deeper into the collective rear of the people?
Has the overtone window shifted to
>no job could be shittier than sitting at home
?
Good lord...

>>18702760
All of your post maybe in a parallel universe.
I'm getting suspicious that not only will everything recorver at almost lightning speed but that the world is also heading into overdrive because of whatever reason.

>>18700771
>bursting debt bubble
there is no debt bubble

>>18702034
Take your meds bro

>>18701028
>The entire meta game just changed.
What's the new meta?
>>18702312
entirely possible

>>18702034
>Most people want to go back to work, even those who fucking hated their jobs too
That always amazes me.

t. Unemployed happy neet for over half a year.

>>18701031
I get the feeling that all of this might have been something akin to the "War of the Worlds" broadcast in the USA but this time on a global scale.
And most likely, whatever it was deemed to achieve it succeeded flawlessly.
Would the common person ever be able to truly discern if it was all just a hoax or if covid was actually real?
I guess not.

>>18703419
normalfags are npcs unable to function if they can't complete their purpose

>>18703284
>>18703325

The deficit will literally be like $4+ trillion this year. We are looking at -15% GDP drop and 20%+ unemployment. Bulltards are absolutely delusional right now.

>>18700532
There's a whole subset of people in this country that hate another political party so much they're ready and willing to tank the economy to spite their perceived enemy.

We need to have another Civil War already and just get it over with.

>>18700570
wtf are you talking about, there are tons of viruses that have vaccines. they even have a flue shot you can take every year though it's not always 100% successful.

>>18700861
Based t. medfag
I have a plan to go innawoods and I think there's a 30% chance i will actually have to do it

>>18700532
2% of the population disappearing (dying) was literally the plot of The Leftovers. It wasn't a feel good story you faggot.

>>18700861
The government will step in and provide mortgage assistance so there's not another housing crash and 2008 scenario. People will have to pay back the government at some point for the assistance. Why would Trump let that kind of crash happen again when they can just print money to bail it out?

>>18703871
Retards like you have been telling me to not buy into the market since Trump won on election night and the sp500 was at 2100. I bet you missed the entire last 3 years bull run and now you're trying to get us to go down with you.

>>18704451
>Retards like you have been telling me to not buy into the market since Trump won on election night and the sp500 was at 2100.
Nigger what? Take your meds.

>>18700570
>You can't vaccinate for a virus
Did you never get vaccinated as a kid? A lot of those are for viruses.

>>18704451

Whats funny is you could have bought last month for lower than when Trump was elected.

>>18700532
It’s going to go on for much longer. Even when the lockdowns ease, it’s going to be damn near impossible to commute or continue with other daily routines. Public transportation in America is godawful. There’s going to be reduced capacity in the train cars, and every passenger will have to wear a mask. It will be impossible to get a spot on busy stops.

>>18703284
how can people possibly have this delusion. The rate of change (advancement) has been slowing for the past 50 years in everything outside of software. The past decade, software has also slowed. We are coming to a standstill, not speeding up. The desperation with Tesla to be the next thing only exposes this.

>>18700532
it's a virus with up to a 7% mortality rate in hot spots, and it's different than the flu because no one has antibodies to it. there is no evidence that infection prevents reinfection, and there is evidence that it might be carried on particles of pollution. it can cause other horrors if you don't die, like strokes in patients as young as 30. this is a massive change for humanity and it may be with us for a couple of years.

oh yeah, no evidence we can get a working vaccine. we might just be fucked until it runs it's course, and the people that are left behind may be live with ongoing cardiac, respiratory, and/or neurological symptoms

>>18704975
this is the equivalent of fud

>>18700912
>just a flu
no one, literally no one, has antibodies for SAR-CoV-2.

>>18705033
Indeed, the intention of the lockdown is to create fud. Nobody knows what's happening behind the scenes, more so than ever

>>18705081
no your post is the equivalent of fud
it's made up bullshit to create fear, uncertainty and doubt
neck yourself

>>18704975
>IM DUMB AS FUCK BUT LIKE GIVING ADVICE ANYWAY
The post

>>18705118
>hurr durr i understand whats happening and you don't
faggot

>>18702827
Bull fucking shit ... what's your sauce beotch?

>>18703871
Ive been hearing this for literally 7 years. you doomers are so stupid it hurts

>>18703871
Screen capped so I can remind you what a fucking dumbass your are for all on eternity.

Buy another bag of Chainlink schizo...

>>18704975

Tbh the "hot spots" shit sounds like theres at least two strains

If they chinese ppl dead in the street videos werent fake it might be the dangerous strain and that strain might not be everywhere

Have you considered that SARS & MERS does not have a vaccine? And the coronavirus comes from the same family of viruses?
Add to that immunity from SARS & MERS is not permanent.. it lasts from 2 years to a few months.

>>18702229
Exactly, an act of God/nature, certainly not monetary policy

>>18703871
>The deficit will literally be like $4+ trillion this year.
"Debt does not matter."
t. Paul (((Krugman)))
"You never default as long as you print the money."
t. Donald Trump
I'm with Krugman on this one as every single dollar is DEBT. And all money under FRB is created ex nihilo.
So where exactly is the ceiling for "DEBT?"
Protip: there is none.
The FED could literally conjure up unlimited additional dollars and be on the other side of the trade OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WANTS TO SELL FREAKING ANYTHING. And they probably will.
So... no. There is no debt bubble. Not when you're a central bank aiming to buy the world and have the peasents defend your ownership rights will you give them bredgrumps.
>We are looking at -15% GDP drop and 20%+ unemployment.
Irrelevant as money does not go to money heaven.

>>18700532
fuck off all the way to reddit gay nigger

>>18705235
there are at least two strains

>>18705235
will you please go suck start a homeless man

>>18705238
Have you considered that people panicked and now see how dumb they look and want to grasp at straws to save face?

>>18704894
>The rate of change (advancement) has been slowing for the past 50 years in everything outside of software.
You're looking this from a different angle.
Consider this:
The world keeps spinning, or rather the (((System))) keeps on running because of two things:
>production
>consumption
Regardless of how mindless both of these activities have become in mordern times.
Advancement does not matter as it simply replaces other stuff that is produced and consumed.
So everything could possibly go back to normal as long as there will be production and consumption.
And this can be maintained indefinitely if there is someone who finances all this shit from now on (hint: the central banks)
As long as people will get paid, they will produce whatever.
And consumption could ultimately be replaced by a closed production->logistics->recycling loop so that the stuff that is produced is literally produced straight for the recycling bin to uphold the (((System))).
Wouldn't be surprised if we're heading there in overdrive.
Ever wondered what happened to all of last model years TVs and shit?

Corona virus is just being hyped up to crash the economy and get drumpf out of office
Don't fall for it

>>18705498
good points, perhaps I haven't considered how growth can be gamed. But make no mistake, our system depends on a growth function, which isn't defined at the moment.

>>18705670
you mean this is all trumps fault?

>>18705235
It’s fake video though. Today I pass by several streets (Canada) and I saw every closed store has at least one homeless people sleeping in their bags. It’s looked exactly like that video

>>18705465
Given what we knew and didn't know at the time, the lockdown was implemented too late and not strict enough. If China's running crematoria overtime and only claiming a 1% death rate, you'd sure as hell better act like it's 5-10%.

And even though they were telling the truth this time, you'd better still assume the worst when SARS 3 comes out.

Hurray!!! Do you know that something massive is still going to happen this year despite the pandemic disease all around the world? Here is a piece of good news to relieve your nerves Tachyon Network is going to laugh its first product this year hurray!!! and in fact, it's a Decentralized VPN so it's sure going to function efficiently

>>18702034
This is the redpilled answer.

You're forgetting the fact that the damage is already done. Look at earnings that have come out already, they're down like 40 to 50% in some areas. Keep an eye on more earnings this week to see how bad everything is. A lot of businesses have already gone bankrupt, and the huge number of jobs that have disappeared aren't going to spring back overnight.

Even if they opened everything back up next week consumer sentiment is still ridiculously low, it would take months before it picks up again.

It's too late.

>>18700799
This.

Coronavirus was just the trigger for the debt bubble.