/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18590216
Crashing this economy
With no survivors

>>18590216
There's something fishy here. I think what happened is that immigration into the US has actually cratered. Which if the figures are published will spook investors just as much as today's oil news. So by preemptively "banning" immigrants he can sweep these numbers under the rug and appease his mouth breathing acolytes.

>>18590579
Or he knows that the Chinese intentionally released the virus and he is preventing hostile foreign actors from entering the country and doing more damage

>>18590216
>He doesn't know the june oil contract is trading at 20 + $ per barrel

found the retard

>>18590579
No, stupid. Dems have been viciously attacking him that it's too early to restart the economy. So they can't fight this, while still insisting everyone stay on lockdown. He's forcing them to choose, and it's fucking brilliant.
And, even better, no injunctions from the 9th Court, because he has the authority under the state of emergency.

Nancy is hitting ALL the bottles tonight.

>>18590216
Trump is crashing this plane with no survivors. For you

>>18590216
Absolutely based

>>18590686
Are you dumb? If immigration closes the dow death spirals as foreign investors pull out.

>>18590216
If he could just sign EOs to tell shitskins to fuck off forever then why didn't he do it the moment he got elected? It's literally what we hired this faggot for.

>importing people when unemployment is 25%

lmao not even political that's just common sense to stop immigration

>>18590715
Foreign investment has fuck all to do with beaners mowing lawns.

But you sit there like a fat poodle in a window, whining and yapping at the big scary dogs doing things you don't understand outside.

>>18590216
Oh no, no more smelly spics

>>18590715
>NOOO NOT MY STONKORINOS!

>>18590216
Orange Hitler.

>>18590732
I think you might want to look into who is more likely to start a business in the USA vs who is going to be a wagie cradle to grave.
>>18590715
This.

>>18590715

Good.

>>18590776
>importing business starters when small business in general was basically just single handedly wiped out

lmao why do people like you even respond to my posts

My IQ is simply beyond you

>>18590762
We're literally on /biz/
Go to /pol/ if thats what you're discussing

>>18590807
US born burgers don't have the capital to restart the business sector instead of just funnelling money solely to big players like walmart or amazon. Rich foreigners seeking visas do.

>>18590853
>wealth being concentrated into a small elite sapping the middle and working classes
>lets import more wealthy elites

lmao why do people like you even respond to my posts you are illiterate simply READ what I am posting

>We import the smart people who work hard and then send them home
>We import the dumb people who work hard and forcibly remove them
>All we have left are people who can buy things real good

Haha yeah no immigration is a good thing :^)

O MY INVISIBLE ENEMY

>>18590824
you sound like a fag

>>18590875
I don't think you understand how market diversification works and why it's desirable as opposed to bail outs.

>>18590625
most likely coronavirus was a US bioweapon deployed against china which ended up backfiring

>>18591273
That would explain why case zero was a mere 10km away from one of only two level 4 virology labs in China, that just so happened to have done extensive work on making coronaviruses cross species.

...oh wait you're just a retard.

>>18590853
>just give your market shares to foreign rich people, let us save you from everything wrong with your country (wealth, prosperity, desiravle for foreigners to immigrate to) and help it become more like our country (terrible, dying, I want to leave it and go to america instead).
No thanks I'll stick with the waltons.

>>18591360
fuck off glownigger

>>18591360

It's called plausible deniability, retard. If you want to deploy a bioweapon that makes it look like the Chinese fucked up, you would deploy it at Wuhan.

>>18590579
If that were true then he will take all the blame for it. No point in banning immigration if no one is coming.

>>18590216
>!

kek why. Why does everything have to be an exclamation! I am gay!

>>18591555
Checked sir, and fellow 4 dimensional chess player. Cheers on the digits my good man.

>>18590216
muh cheap labor, KYS kike

>>18590876
Shitskin cope

>>18590776
>>18590715
Only whites contribute to the economy, all shitskins are a net loss. You can KYS now.

>>18590216
I meme and LARP a lot on this mongolian basketweaving image board, but Drumpft actually just lost my vote with this executive order

I really really didn't want to vote for a guy with Alzheimer's and the rats pumping him full of Adderall. Oh well!

>>18590715
>foreign investor
oh no chinese will not buy our corporation, what will we do?

>>18590216
there's plenty of immigrants here already doing cheap labor. cutting legal immigration isn't going to prevent thousands of mexicans and central americans from crossing the border every day anyway. 90% of the time i order grubhub it's delivered by an indian dude who can't even speak english and i do grubhub to since it pays $25 an hour in my area usually.

>>18591555
Occam's razor. It was an accidental release. If you want to claim it was a glownigger operation then provide evidence.

>>18590723
donald turned jew a few years ago

>>18591624
He wants voter ID, you wouldn't have been able to vote anyway Paco.

>>18590723

It's almost as if he's a professional grifter and just lied to you, telling you whatever he thought you wanted to hear and had zero intentions of looking out for whatever it is you wanted. Might just be that all he gives a shit about is enriching himself and growing his own connections for when he's out of office

>>18591696
Na I'm a white as fuck dude born and raised in the USA, but I plan on marrying a foreigner and want her to have every opportunity I've had here.

Trump's trying to appeal to certain voters and I get that, but that's not gonna cut it for me. Sorry Drumpft!

>>18590625
Ok but how can he use this to enrich Israel some more?

>>18590715
Beaners don’t contribute they only suck on the host like a leech.
>>18590776
We used to have our own landscaping businesses before beaner slave labor undercut the market.
>>18590853
Rich foreigners don’t come here as much as poor worker drones. We need the jobs for the 25% unemployed.
>>18590876
The Average IQ will rise 20 points
>>18591273
Ok Chink
>>18591621
This.

Fuck off immigrants. We’ve been full.

>>18590216
based

>>18591758
>white
>wants to marry a foreigner

post jaw

>>18591555

Or, and this is going way out on a limb, the shitty incompetent bug people who build apartment buildings that fall over and can't master 1970s jet engine technology had a breach of containment at their only Level 4 biosafety lab, where they were proudly publishing in scientific journals that they working on exactly the kind of virus that ended up getting loose

Which would also explain the Chinese government's reaction, ie panic and locking down first the entire province and then the entire country, which is not a "oh hey there's some new virus spreading" reaction, but in fact the reaction of guys who knew EXACTLY what had gotten loose and what it was going to do

>>18590216
No fucking shit, we aren't the only country doing this right now. We're trying to get a hold on the virus while slowly reopening.

>>18591758
The only white men who marry foreigners are the ones too beta to marry white women.

>>18591960
Whelp, gosh golly gee wilickers that simply CAN'T be true!
>Could it?

>>18590216
>increasing the value of labor is a bad thing
go fuck yourself you greedy faggot

>>18591673

Based common sense.

Plus scientist who discovered HIV notices sequences of HIV inserted into Covid-19, which would require molecular lab equipment. Again, no malicious intentions: it looks like attempts to create genetically engineering HIV therapy delivered by modified coronavirus

>>18590216
we are literally watching the end of america and american freedoms. but because its a white guy that curses sometimes idiots go along with it. fuck in shit. fuck this corrupt idiot bitchass faggot of a hotel owner.

nah this is strange. regular air travel is already down, so no new immigrants are coming up. either he's pandering to his base after he ate dinner or >>18590579

>>18590715
Retard nigger

>>18592033
>>18591943
I've had plenty of American women. Not for me.

>>18590216
>wants to cut illegal immigration
>bans legal immigration
what did he mean by this?

>>18590216
>NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN CHEAP LABOR! NOT OUR BASED MEXICAN RAPISTS AND DRUG DEALERS SO I CAN BUY A TV FOR 5% CHEAPER!

>>18592162
he's a drug addict making a desperate play before the election
>>18592165
go back to /pol/ this is a financial board

>>18592033
Or maybe we actually met a cutie virgin foreigner who loves respects us and rests us like a king?

Been married with my foreigner for 4 years and I have a cozy cozy life.

Sure she isn’t a supermodel but neither am I
She takes care of me well and I fucking love her I’ll be with her till I die. You can love a dog right? What’s so bad about loving a foreigner and yes I am a beta. At least I’m happy and not lonely

>>18592175
Chill out retard, it's temporary. We can't even get enough testing for our whole country, we can't worry about immigration until the summer or fall.

>>18592096
>it looks like attempts to create genetically engineering HIV therapy delivered by modified coronavirus
No it doesn't.
>http://virological.org/t/tackling-rumors-of-a-suspicious-origin-of-ncov2019/384

>>18592226
>We can't even get enough testing for our whole country
whose fault is that

I though the "invisible enemy" was a funny /pol/ meme edit (jews) but this an actual tweet

>>18592241
Are you suggesting someone can snap their fingers and make new factories appear?

>>18592251
testing isn't contingent on factories you nigger scumbag

>>18591555
>Glowniggers HQ
>Heh heh, we'll show those smarmy chinks a thing or two with this severe flu we're releasing!
>W-wh-WHAT??!! pathogens can cross international borders???? our service economy is in shambles! Oh woe! What folly!

Ya got me, b80

>>18590216
thats based though

>>18592268
>already making the most in the world
>just make more lol
Why do you think China forced quarantine? They weren't even able to keep up with the testing.

>>18592290
>country of origin is least prepared
any other brilliant insights you retarded nigger?

>>18592268
There is a global shortage of RNA extraction kits. Not likely a shortage of actual chemicals, but kits with adequate and vetted QA/QC. RNA is notoriously unstable due to ribonucleases and the kits need to be very clean.

>>18592175
econ is /biz/ you stupid faggot dumbass

>>18592315
Are you offering an alternative or just raging for the sake of it?

>>18591607
>>18591780

>>18591360
we know about the 5million Obama and Fauci gave China to develop it lol

>>18592330
SK, CN, JP, and plenty of other countries manufacture quality kits and can test their people en masse
>>18592348
maybe an investment in infrastructure and healthcare but that's above a trumpniggers level of understanding

>>18590715
are you kidding this is the most bullish news ive ever seen.

>>18592140
it's a free country man, if you want to flush your (admittedly good) genetics down the toilet that's your imperative.

For your children's sake, I hope you don't have any. Being mixed race in the West is a cursed existence.

>>18592355
DIAF

>>18590579
You wish, illegal mexishits can get tons of gibs for free. They don't care about viruses or shelter-in-place if they can get free food and medicine for their 8 kids and goblin wife.

>>18592368
>SK
Correct, but they're a small country with less rights.
>CN, JP
No, and no. Both got overwhelmed like the USA. And you think they can fix the infrastructure NOW?

>>18592379
>one milion

>>18590686
+10'

>>18592373
o rly?

>>18592379
>british media
literally fake news
cope more, cumskin

>>18592379

>>18590216
>>now cutting cheap labor
>i love mexican food
fuck you

>>18592098
How the fuck I destroying the the current illegal monetary system and closing the borders down destroying America? This is literally a constitutional wet dream.
>inb4 but muh lock downs.
That's the fucking democratic governors and they should be hanged for treason
>inb4 muh 2A
See above. Fucking treason.
Trump has not once called for total lockdown or redflag laws. If you want to argue about violation of right to assemble, groups were limited to 10 under basically a suggestion. there are no laws anywhere stating it.

We're going full blown Nationalist bitchboy. If you don't like it move to fucking Canada.

>>18592355
I would rather have them as neighbors than pic related.

>>18592531
>the borders down destroying America
borders are destroying america, they impede free movement of labor which is a capitalist cornerstone

You know nothing. Take another look. Do these numbers finally make sense to you now? Hell is only a word, but the reality is much, much worse.

>>18590216
>but I thought his advisors kept him in line
lol you're absolutely retarded

>>18592540
should we put the garbage pile in a cage, too?

>>18590579
>mouth breathing
What is a hyphen, you mouth-breathing faggot?

>>18592542
>borders are destroying america, they impede free movement of labor which is a capitalist cornerstone

Also, it isn’t to keep them out. It’s to keep you in. A lot like this place..you can never leave.

>>18592592
yes america is ruled by jews through their proxy and the goodest of good shabbos goys donald trump

>>18592531
We spent the past 2 months watching Italy and China self-destruct while the Federal Government did nothing but deny the reality of the situation and send our 17 tons of our PPE gear from our federal reserve overseas to an unappreciative China, and got absolutely slammed with the Wuhan Hangover while our medical frontline was expected to "wear a bandanna or something". All the while putting a muzzle on the legitimate medical advisors he

And our Twitter President also went through the effort of yelling at General Motors over twitter to "Invoke P", denying the gravity of our situation until it was undeniable, claimed this would all go away by Easter as some kind of magical miracle, promoted an unverified drug treatment as infallible (as the President of a Country who's people gladly empty store shelves of medical gear and toilet paper to resell it), and commends protests in states undergoing quarantine because they wear his neat red hat.

And now with the most aggressive lockdown our country can manage this late into the game, we are at the top of the charts with an estimated 2,000 dead every day now, roughly the death count of the next 5 countries down on the list, with a roughly 5% exponential increase in deaths every day.

And somehow after all this, those 2 brain cells of yours lit up and sparked up the notion that somehow the governors (did i mention theyre democrats??) are treasonous for protecting their people through extreme measures? ??

>>18590824
Umm sweetie there's a way to profit off the DOW crashing. You dont need heckin chicarino floofers to daytrade honey

>yuropoor gf doesn't have citizenship even though her whole family does
feels extremely bad man

>>18590763
You say that as if it is an insult.

>>18591624
being this upset over temporarily stopping immigration, during a fucking pandemic

brainlet

>>18590216
he fired all the advisors that tried to keep him in line.

because he doesn't want to be seen as someone that follows advice or can be forced to do things.

it's sort of a perfect storm of conservative contrarianism, and yes, it's self-destructive.

next he opens the country a month too soon and kills off a significant fraction of his base.

>>18590216
Deport all illegals and visa workers and indefinitely halt all future immigration, doing so would raise wages more than any other policy and tank the cost of housing. Most big cities would have a $15 minimum wage due to supply and demand. The cost of housing would drop 50%+ in some cities.Of course businesses would hate that.
We don't have a labor shortage or skills gap either, that is a myth pushed to keep the immigration flood gates open. What is the definition of "labor shortage" supposed to be anyways? There's 10% unemployment right now. What's a skills gap? These people went to college and can be trained. Businesses will ALWAYS say there is a labor shortage and a skills gap, it is in their best financial interest to do so. If you can get an engineer for 50k a year you can get an engineer from India to do the job for 30k. Why would a company hire American? Skills gap? Yeah there is a skills gap and labor shortage for engineers when the pay is 30k as no one wants to do it for that amount. Every job being filled would be horrible for wages and employee treatment. We could deport every person and their descendants that are here through immigration, legal and illegal, going back to the immigration act of 1965 and we would still be fine. Big corporations would hate that though.

california here, we are literally handing out checks to illegals. i can see why hes doing this. also dems cant fight him on this now.

>>18593466
>Removes Investigators
>Disbands Pandemic Response Teams
>85% Turnover rate

But its still the democrats fault
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations

>>18593510
okay,
Now every human step of the farm Production chain costs $15 an hour.

you want to go down to Watsonville and buy a pack of strawberries on the roadside for 20 bucks?

>>18593530
>California is America's most powerful economy.
>California's illegal immigrants support our farming industry, putting food on our plate.
>The Fed just printed an obscene amount of money to bail out our businesses and every American, sitting-on-ass or not.
>Mad because Gavin doesn't pretend the unappreciated pillars of our agricultural industry don't exist, and gives them some American funny money to weather the recession as well.

So I'm allowed to sit on my ass and absorb government money that was just made to exist a few weeks ago,
but the people who broke into the most powerful country on the planet just to get an opportunity to work should go fuck themselves?

You do understand that we -the American citizens- are now the net drain on our economy, right?

>>18593696
>You do understand that we -the American citizens- are now the net drain on our economy, right?
something like 3/4's of our economy is services, just passing money from one to another without producing anything.

the net drain IS the economy

>>18593510
And did you ever think that by constantly increasing our minimum wage limit, all it's doing is effectively pricing out American citizens from lower levels of labor, forcing them to seek higher and higher forms of expensive education to strive to be some 6-figure earner that isn't guaranteed in any way ? ?

Why is OUR labor so expensive, when a Pajeet who fought mercilessly against social caste and poverty to reach his education level is willing to temporarily fly to America and be paid a fraction of what an American is cool with earning? And a Mexican was willing to jump a wall and hide from the government to work the jobs that we can't afford to have anymore, anyways?

Why aren't we battling immigration by LOWERING the minimum wage?

>>18590216
>Trump crashed the stocks and oil

fucking lol my dude

>psychoanalyzing the most basic of retards

Really? Is this pol?

He did it because he could and because he needed a win. And by win i mean having his short bus clan get a boner.

>>18593743
Protip: if there were no demand for these services, they would not exist.

>>18593696
>But its still the democrats fault

>>18593832
that doesn't make them necessary or an exportable product

you're just agreeing with me here, the demand for those services exists because people believe they earned them. What did they do to earn those services? Provide some other unnecessary and unproductive service of their own. It's a circlejerk. Fake demand feeding off itself until it becomes real.

>>18593696
>but the people who broke into the most powerful country on the planet just to get an opportunity to work should go fuck themselves?
Literally yes.

>>18593865
>if it doesnt produce a physical good its not the REAL economy

t. Brian Lett, noted Redditor

>>18593696
>the American citizens are now the net drain on the economy
Huh almost like being citizens of the winning country should come with privileges or something.
This kind of thinking is literally the thinking of a dying empire.

>>18593865
>that doesn't make them necessary
lmao, nothing is "necessary" except basic food and shelter.

>the demand for those services exists because people believe they earned them
The demand for services exists because it provides an added value (convenience, entertainment, productivity, ...), and because people can afford these services.

>>18590216
He’s just throwing red meat to his retarded base

>>18593889
>>18593822
The member states of the EU also closed their borders, you know.

>>18593884
>if it doesnt produce a physical good its not the REAL economy
there is no real economy.
>>18593885
>This kind of thinking is literally the thinking of a dying empire.
we spent our wealth long ago, so we print more and pretend it's as good as it ever was.
>>18593886
>because people can afford these services.
yes, using money they earned by selling services of their own. A service based economy. We produce nothing. We jack each other off all day and trade paper for the privilege.

>>18591624
WTF I'M A BIDENROCKET NAO

America is not the world

>>18593907
>yes, using money they earned by selling services of their own. A service based economy. We produce nothing. We jack each other off all day and trade paper for the privilege.
Production is getting increasingly automated.

You're just upset that you're a failure in the current system, so you imagine you'd fare better in an imaginary one.

>>18593852
So.. Some democrats agreed and parroted the same belief as our president, and its still the democrats fault? ??

So they're at fault when they relay the same information as him,
but they're treasonous when they take matters into their own hand?

>>18593869
It's going to be a real tragedy when we ignore 3oMeLuaD's opinion and take care of our people, anyways

>>18593901
The one's who would gain the most from our borders closing is everyone else around us.
We're the highest infection and death rate, remember?

>>18591621
Nice source /pol/ astroturfer.

Orange man bad

>>18593907
you have no ability to adapt, or are too lazy to develop yourself further, so you complain and larp on 4chan.

you are literally the problem, neck yourself.

>>18593938
>Some democrats agreed and parroted the same belief as our president
lmao

> take care of our people
Why are you calling literal foreigners "our people"?

>We're the highest infection and death rate, remember?
The highest death rate is Belgium.

>>18593922
>You're just upset that you're a failure in the current system, so you imagine you'd fare better in an imaginary one.
I've gotten rich off the current system and sympathize with those that didn't have my opportunities.

there is no better system, I'm just pointing out that
1. being a drain on the economy IS the economy
2. this sort of economy is extremely vulnerable to collapse if either supply or demand is disrupted, as it is now.

>>18593696
you are disingenuous as fuck. its the democrats advocating for $15 minimum wage. but actually lets also keep the illegals for cheap wage. your guise of moral superiority makes me sick.

>>18593956
>you have no ability to adapt, or are too lazy to develop yourself further, so you complain and larp on 4chan.
>>18593964

>>18593964
Protip: society, culture, the economy, ... are all made up.
Of course it's all "vulnerable to collapse".

>>18592373
See
>>18592355

>>18593956
The probability that you make 60k a year doing some job that actively makes the world worse like (((advertising))) executive and think you've "made it" is approaching 1.

>>18593976
yes, exactly what I'm saying

so to pretend that anyone, illegal or legal, is a drain on the economy, misses the point. Our economy is entirely psychological and being a parasite on it is the only thing keeping it moving.

>>18593994
>so to pretend that anyone, illegal or legal, is a drain on the economy, misses the point.
Oh you can definitely be a drain on the economy.
But not by adding value to it with services you personally deem worthless.
You're a drain by doing things like collecting welfare without contributing.

>>18590715
> foreign investors = immigration

>>18594007
>You're a drain by doing things like collecting welfare without contributing.
you contribute when you spend that welfare.
probably on unnecessary services, since that's mostly what we produce.

>ITT: REEEEEEEEE DRUMPFFFFF!!!
Lol. Trump really owns you doesn't he?

>>18593922
Be honest,
How do you think your resume is going to fair against MTI's high speed welding robot?

>>18593958
>"I knew what he meant but im obscuring the evidence haha :^)"

>>18593970
I understand that the democrats are largely pushing for a $15 wage.
I didn't say it was good. And i didnt associate the wage limit as being Republican or Democrat. It was an observation I made out loud.

with that being said, going into this Super-Recession, we probably will have to actually reduce minimum wage. Whether both parties can or ever will come to that conclusion is to be determined.

If oil futures can go into the negatives, we might need to consider $14 or less for work.

>>18594020
>you contribute when you spend that welfare.
Foreign (and/or illegal) recipients of welfare send portions of it abroad to family still in the original country.

>unnecessary services
If there's demand, it's not unnecessary you commie.
Only basic food and shelter are ever "necessary".

>>18592531
>>inb4 but muh lock downs.
>That's the fucking democratic governors >and they should be hanged for treason

This is the most retarded thing in this thread, right or left

>>18594039
>Foreign (and/or illegal) recipients of welfare send portions of it abroad to family still in the original country.
yep, and from there it either re-enters the country and contributes to our economy or never comes home so we got free labor. Because they wages they were paid were paper, nothing more or less.
>If there's demand, it's not unnecessary you commie.
>Only basic food and shelter are ever "necessary".
you contradict yourself

>>18594034
>>"I knew what he meant but im obscuring the evidence haha :^)"
What are you talking about?
The fact that the US has the most deaths in absolute numbers?

Belgium has the most deaths per 1 million inhabitants.
The US is number 14. And most of it is from NY, see >>18593852

>>18594039
And now the American dollar is more globally recognized and sought after, thereby cementing its value even further.

>>18593907
We're basically just money movers, being paid by money movers, to move money into other concentrations of money, so those pots of money distribute the money to other money movers and whoever has the least in their pot loses.

>>18594034
Do you really think reducing the minimum wage will be anything more than a bandaid on collapse?
>haha everyone's getting paid even less and things are still fucking expensive as hell so I'm definitely going to try hard and not just fucking give up at my job

>>18592477
They all look kinda weird and the 3rd one is quite ugly

>>18594056
>from there it either re-enters the country and contributes to our economy
Fucking what.

>or never comes home so we got free labor
Double fucking what.

>you contradict yourself
One is the general definition of necessary, the second is your paleocommie definition of necessary.

>>18594071
>We're basically just money movers, being paid by money movers, to move money into other concentrations of money, so those pots of money distribute the money to other money movers and whoever has the least in their pot loses.
yes, it's a weird sort of fuckery when you get right down to it. But it works so long as everyone isn't suddenly unemployed or something.

>>18594071
>And now the American dollar is more globally recognized and sought after, thereby cementing its value even further.
This is the most creative spin on "US taxpayer money disappears abroad" that I've ever heard.

>>18594078
>Fucking what.
>Double fucking what.
yes indeed.

what do you think happens to money that gets sent to people in other countries?

do you imagine money has some intrinsic value that's lost when it gets lost? Throwing cash away makes what's left more valuable, not less.

>>18594091
>haha our economy is in such a bubble that a sudden forced shutdown of all professional activities harms it haha!

>>18594109
>what do you think happens to money that gets sent to people in other countries?
It gets injected into a foreign economy.

>>18594127
>It gets injected into a foreign economy.
what does? paper? we just print more to make up for the loss. Numbers? that's what actually gets sent is numbers. And we can make all the numbers we want.

>>18590579
>imma keep insulting his base when that exact mentality got him elected to begin with
I swear to God this has to be astroturfing to keep the 'Fuck the pretentious cunts in blue' zeitgeist going.

Based trump, fuck niggers!

>>18594061
America's infection is spreading, and states are at varying levels of viral density (if thats a descriptor).

New York -at its absolute worst so far- had about a thousand dead a day.
New York's Death per 1 million currently sits at 965, double Belgium.

This is a stat of a state that got hit the worst.

Most of the rest of our states havent even started. California hit a 100 in one day a few days ago, and its starting to get dicey.
Connecticut for instance has 372 deaths per 1 million right now.

Belgium is one teeeny tiny country compared to our 50 states of varying levels of population density as well as the degree of which we are taking this seriously. and We blew through the record of deaths in a matter of 1 month.
If you think Belgium is bad now, look back in 2 weeks.
Its going to be a massacre.

Based Donald a true student of history. Very bullish indeed!

>>18592545
who the hell is deagle and why have I seen their purely retarded projections stated as absolute fact more than once?

>>18594074
If we lower the minimum wage, we would make american goods more feasible to produce.
It would fucking suck for quite a while, but once we start teasing manufacturing back into America instead of importing cheap garbage from communists, We could really reinstate ourselves as not only a Superpower, but one that makes things, too.

GDP would go up, having American goods made in-house would slash transportation costs, lower the consumption of oil lowering oil prices more so, and we would all be put more readily to work instead of being held behind education barriers.

>>18592185
>comparing your wife to a dog

>>18594171
>America's infection is spreading
*is plateauing.

See pic.


>>18594146
>we're not losing money to foreign countries because money is just paper haha

Do you know how exciting it is to make something that persists beyond you?
To create something with your own hands.

America lost touch with what it is to truly create.
We design things, and then have people in far off lands build it with child labor and suicide nets to send back to us just to have it break in a few years and leave us unfulfilled and back to buy something else.

why do THEY get to have all the fucking fun.

>>18594228
>>18594171
see pic

>>18594228
>we're not losing money to foreign countries because money is just paper haha
we are losing money to foreign countries,
and money IS just paper

I love how you believe so hard in its value that you resent people sending it out of the country making yours more valuable.

>>18590579
Fuck you gtfo homo

>>18594235
you don't design shit. the whole shebang has been outsourced.

>>18594228
The sooner you don't don't believe it's plateauing, the sooner it will.
bear in mind we haven't even fully passed 3 whole 2-week viral incubation cycles.

>>18594015
There are some seriously retarded commies on /biz/

>>18594235
*replaces humans with automation*
those poor fucking machines, with no rights, oh the humanity!

>>18594237
>>18594268
the daily death rate can go down
the total death rate cannot

so one data set can show the disease declining while the other cannot.

>>18594308
It's a Catch-22
If you believe the situation is plateauing you operate as if the threat is almost over and then we have a 1.5 wave or fullblown second wave tear through and render the situation worse than before.

If you don't believe the pandemic is plateauing and dont proliferate the information that things are right on the verge of getting better, we would continue more strict quarantine measures and eventually there would be a legitimate plateau.

Everyone is raring to go as soon as things look a percentage improved.
That is why the CDC guidelines are looking for a 14 day reduction in cases before considering loosening the quarantine.

>>18594364
It's just a Darwinian IQ test. The foolish will die, the intelligent will live.

even a 14 day reduction doesn't mean it's safe, it just means an 'acceptable' number of americans will be killed to revive the economy. And what's acceptable is subjective.

>>18594245
>money is just paper so it has no value haha
>but if you take money from taxpayers and give it to foreigners, it becomes valuable

This is next-level insanity.

>>18594268
>The sooner you don't don't believe it's plateauing, the sooner it will.

Peak doomer wishful thinking.

>>18594364
>it's a catch-22
>either you don't do what I want and things go badly
>or you do what I want and things go well

That's not what a catch-22 is lmao.

>>18594435
you reason like a child

I said it becomes more valuable if there's less of it. That doesn't mean it has any actual value. It just means morons like yourself who think it has value should value it more if there's less of it.

>>18594458
>the dollar doesn't have any actual value
>but if you give it to foreigners it becomes valuable through scarcity

What the fuck am I reading.

>>18592484
>government protect immigrants from the 5G network
>tell taxpaying citizens that 5G is harmless
fudging hewl..

>>18594468
>You think it has value
>Monopoly money becomes scarce
>You value dollar more
That's about as simple I can make it, maybe he can do a better job.
Oh, epic 'gotcha' comments btw.

>>18592477
Based

>>18594497
Giving money to foreigners does not make it scarcer.
What is this absolute drivel.

>>18591360
>coronaviruses cross species.
>species.

he knows too much

>>18594497
>maybe he can do a better job.
that pretty much covered it

I don't believe it has value, but for someone that does, making less of it should make it more valuable.

I don't think the poor soul is capable of understanding even that though

>>18594503
>Giving money to foreigners does not make it scarcer.
then you're complaining about nothing because it never left the country. They were given numbers, not money

>>18594514
>making less of it should make it more valuable
We're talking about sending money abroad, not making less of it.

>>18594525
>then you're complaining about nothing because it never left the country
But we're talking about money that does leave the country.

>>18594393
That is why your health and safety is your responsibility.
The problem is that in a country of individuals, everyone is now responsible for everyone else's safety.
And that's spooky to people.

Those who exercise the most sense of self-preservation are those who will fare the best.

>>18594456
Chalk it up to rational pessimism.
You either get it, or you dont.

But my point is,

we have 22 million people who just recently registered for unemployment.
After yesterday's Oil Debacle, we're going to see a lot more unemployed in the oil industry.

Global economies have retracted big time, China's by 6.8%
This is a huge opportunity for America to reclaim production industries instead of shuffling it around to some other country like Vietnam.

We're not going to be top-dog super consumers when no one has any money, so we need industries that will stand the test of time and can handle the bad times, instead of getting wiped out by a drive-by during a trade war.
Allowing businesses to flee to foreign nations but still do us the privilege of taking our money, and letting CEO's resign and take massive chunks of money out, is not going to ensure our country's persistence.

We will have to take a hit in labor costs, and suck up our pride.

If you really hate immigrants taking a couple thousand they earned over a few months working some of our fields home to provide for their family, you should be really mad about all the billions in offshore holding accounts, all the business we outsource to countries with political ideologies that run directly opposite of ours, and all the endless debt we owe.

>>18594535
>We're talking about sending money abroad, not making less of it.
yes, if you can remember clear back 15 minutes ago I said it either returns to the country and contributes to our economy or it doesn't return and we got free labor.

Are you high or just dumb?

>>18594550
>yes, if you can remember clear back 15 minutes ago I said it either returns to the country and contributes to our economy or it doesn't return and we got free labor.
Yes, you said that too.

Both of these points are mind-numbingly retarded btw.

>>18590715
>>18592718
Kabooooom

>>18594557
>Both of these points are mind-numbingly retarded btw.
do tell

I make a habit of studying aberrant cognitive processes, and you're fascinatingly stupid. Feel free to tell me why you disagree.

>>18590216
you wouldn't get it

>>18594572
>do tell

>1) it either returns to the country and contributes to our economy
The whole point of sending it abroad is to be spend there.
If you want the money to contribute to our economy, just keep it here.

>or it doesn't return and we got free labor.
If money is sent abroad for it, the labor isn't free.
And we're talking about undeserved welfare.

And that's without mentioning your little "money is worthless except if you make it scarcer by giving it to foreigners" retardation.

>>18591621

>>18590216
>now cutting cheap labor
you have 22mil unemployed, how's cheap foreign labor going to help anything?

>>18592718
>what is fatalities per million
opinion discarded based retard

>>18594592
>The whole point of sending it abroad is to be spend there.
yeah, I think you're just stuck on money illusion.

it has no intrinsic worth, so spending it somewhere else takes nothing out of our economy UNTIL IT"S RETURNED.

>And we're talking about undeserved welfare.
illegal immigrants can't draw welfare, and almost none of the money they send home is from taxpayers. They work.

so yeah, you're talking about welfare, but you're also not very bright.

>>18590216
Wait, America still had open borders? All of EU has closed its borders a month ago. And they‘re literally borderless to each other usually.

>>18592718
>We spent the past 2 months watching Italy and China self-destruct while the Federal Government did nothing but deny the reality of the situation
Because WHO and the Chinks lied.

>"Invoke P"
That he's invoking the production act to combat it is hardly:
>denying the gravity of our situation until it was undeniable

> claimed this would all go away by Easter as some kind of magical miracle
Hoped.

>promoted an unverified drug treatment as infallible
Provide a quote where he says it's a guarantee.

>the President of a Country who's people gladly empty store shelves of medical gear and toilet paper to resell it
Happened over here too.

>commends protests in states undergoing quarantine because they wear his neat red hat.
In areas completely unaffected by the virus.

>bigger pop country has more deaths
What a fucking revelation

>Dems politicians are good though!!!! They're protecting people!!!
The worst affected areas are Dem strongholds, and they're free to continue being locked down.

t. Non-American

>>18594638
>go ahead and give money to foreigners, it has no value anyway haha
Absolutely demented.

>illegal immigrants can't draw welfare
Who the fuck is talking about illegal immigrants?
I was talking about people who draw welfare but do not contribute, including immigrants who send the welfare money back to their home country.
(and illegal immigrants do get gibs btw)

>They work
>and if they send their wages home, that's free labor
lmao

>>18594671
>Because WHO and the Chinks lied
this

>>18594721
>Absolutely demented.
not an argument
You don't really express your thoughts well. I don't think you even have thoughts. You just sorta repeat everything /pol/ told you without bothering to see if it's true or not.

this probably stems from the fact that you're ruled by emotion rather than reason. Not happy or socially useful emotions, just sorta weak and angry ones. You're eager to believe anything that makes you feel good about yourself because you know you're not a valuable person and even you don't like yourself much.

you know you're dumb and you love it. When you realize you said something stupid you pass it off as some sort of deep guile on your part, trolling the libs or playing 5D chess. But you're just making excuses and I think you know it.

>>18594820
>"not an argument"
>proceeds to write three paragraphs of nothing but ad-hom

>>18594663
Still letting in visas. Can't let those millennial code monkeys have a shot at the American dream.

>>18594836
that's not an insult. Most people don't question themselves just like you don't question yourself.

yes, you're an idiot. But you're a passionate idiot that really wants to feel valuable. No self-awareness at all. You'll probably do pretty well in life. You'll never be successful at anything but you'll be pretty happy anyways. At least for a while.

>>18590625
Or you are wrong because he explicitly said it was for the sake of jobs.

>>18594862
>you're an idiot

Says the faggot whose arguments include "giving money to foreigners is good because money has no value anyway, and it gives money more value due to scarcity".

>>18594902
reveling in your own lack of understanding still?

we can go back to arguing the actual point if you like, but you need to offer something better than
>no you're wrong!

Since you've stopped arguing and stopped explaining your thoughts I've given you my view on your thoughts and now I'm going to bed. Thanks for sharing your mind with me as long as you could. It's not a lot to share but I suppose it's all you've got.

>there are people unironically defending a mouth-breathing retard, who cannot string two sentences together, who is up to his neck in debt with the Russian mob, who fucked up everything and lost his last usable talking-point when the economy crashed

November can't come soon enough. The meltdown, when he realizes he'll go from the WH directly to jail, will be glorious.

>>18594929
This what you said.
over and over

>>18590579
This what happens. But it's not like stocks are going to be phased

>>18590732
People come to the country for other reasons than just getting a job

>>18592165
>not understanding that 5% is the difference between a functioning economy with solid demand and a new great depression
This pandemic has made it clear that nobody has fucking cash reserves. They expect wagie to have them so he can pay rent, but literally NOBODY else has cash reserves. Those immigrants working for less than minimum wage help maximize profit and are half the reason we even see dividends. This whole thing is a joke.

>>18595328
Yes. Some of them are more likely to start a business than an American who is wage from cradle to coffin

>>18590216
Don't know why people are against it, makes sense to stop cheap labor flowing into the country when millions of natives have lost their job.

>>18592382
Omg agreed with everything up to the last two worlds
You really think American girls are better than Latinas?

I pity you

>>18591621
now do one for Asians

>>18595359
how do you think that company offering those jobs will survive? you willing to take a 70% to 80% pay cut to keep the business afloat?

>>18595344
>Those immigrants working for less than minimum wage help maximize profit
This fucking propaganda lmao

>>18595794
leftoids:
>raise minimum wage

also leftoids:
>"we need illegal immigrants because wages are too high"

>>18595794
>cheap illegal labor has been suppressing wages for decades
>the solution is even cheaper labor

Maybe if the kikes paid a living wage, more people would have emergency funds

>>18590715
Sheckles aren't more important than nationalism and blood shlomo.

>>18592484
>low IQ foreign law breakers getting stacked in the holding cells obama built

BASED

>>18590216
You should be worried about Kushner more

Just as the kikeslave who hates female reporters with a passion is leaving the oval office for good he
>destroys the entire country in a heated frenzy over a mild cold from Japan that kills dialysis patients and fat people
>turbo-annihilates the economy in a 34x critical hit followed by a level 100 melee skill combo, no one who is unemployed now will want to work again until unemployment is done with the $600 cash payday
>locks down the border to prevent ANY of these jobs from getting filled
>invades Venezuela and threatens all-out war with Iran in a series of rarely recorded chimp screeches
>assures us everything is under control and proudly ready for next term

I wouldn't be surprised if this kike-loving nigger got caught playing with legos

>>18590216
Not a political forum. However, this is a great decision. We don’t need more brownies messing up America.

>>18596308
Yes. Raising minimum wage fuels immigration which increases the size of the labor pool for both legal and illegal workers. More black market labor straight up means higher profits. More workers having to compete for "increased minimum wage jobs" where the duties attached actually outpace the labor performed means higher profits. Likewise, businesses wont actually be expected to raise wages for everyone. Just to raise wages for those they keep employed. The left and the right are both on board for this one, and its likely the major reason Trump hasn't done shit in terms of the real sources of illegal immigration and H1B abuse, and instead opts to feed wall propaganda to his retarded base.

Try to think more than one step ahead sometimes. It's really easy to see how viewpoints that may seem conflicting can actually synergize quite well.

>Leftists getting mad over losing low information voters/slave labor
Keep telling me how we need to shut down everything but your precious brown people shitlibs.

>>18596517
>all this headcanon

Border's closed, Schlomo. Deal with it.