/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18582784
This isn't going to save their economy.

>>18582808
They're stocking up on energy for the upcoming war.

>>18582892
this

>>18582784
>oil falls below $0
Is it negative price now?

>>18582892
there will be no war

>>18582940
-$37

>>18582940
yes, go to your local gas station they are literally filling tanks for free

>>18582943
what makes you say that?

>>18582985
they are not that retarded if anything they will back down if things get too intense

china will build tinfoil containers to store all the free oil.
cant we to see all the mp4 of town drowning in oil and the south china sea becoming mega fucked when they leak and spill everywhere.
desu they'll prob try and stor it in some african nation and fuck them over instead

>>18583027
The US is going to start the war not China.

>>18583027
>implying

Don't forget the part when Chyna released a fucking bioweapon on the world.

>>18582985
who'd win on a war?

>>18583049
Nothing is going to happen because both have nukes.

>>18582784
Hmmm i

Trump is always bragging about his AMAZING and SO GREAT relationship with Xi. There is no war habbenin

>>18582892
based
>>18582943
cuck that will get raped by chinese army and lynched afterwards

>>18583049
I believe most americans still have some sanity in them
>>18583058
fuck off polnigger

>>18583064
I imagine the US would win but I'm not an expert

>>18583047
>China is lifting lockdown
>have literally millions of worker fast build oil storage facilities in a week like they did with the hospitals
>buy up all the excess supply while rest of the world is coofing
>become energy independent and completely abandons petrol dollar

Xi always wins baby.

>>18583064
US cannot invade china but china cannot invade US either

>>18582892
War over what?

>>18583064
The cockroaches. The only living being capable of living in a nuclear apocalypse.

>>18582808
>save
Their economy hasn't had trouble for decades now. In fact, their attempts to buy up all of the oil only means they are securing themselves a physical bag of astronomical proportions when the prices climb back above $1, and Winnie The Pooh will make Netanayahu blush with how many shekels he'll conjure out of thin air.

>>18582784
>Chinese Plastic crap now cheaper than ever to produce
Goodbye, oceans. Goodbye, marine life.

>>18583148
Attacking us with a bioweapon, thereby destroying our economy.

>>18583070
Game theory posits neither side will use nukes in a war because of mutually assured destruction.
>>18583103
>I believe most americans still have some sanity in them
The US was much more sane before WW2, didn't want a war with Germany, but war was declared none-the-less.

>>18583169
you are a piece of shit
psycho fucktard hope you get the wuflu and die

>>18582985
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP

we don't fight wars with guns and bullets and bombs anymore. we fight trade wars (US-China trade war), proxy wars (Crimea with Russia), and cyber wars (hackers and shit). any conventional warfare is only done with weaker opponents like the towelheads. anyone with nukes? you're just dealing with MAD, mutually assured destruction. that won't work and won't happen, by either side. wars are now fought through non-physical means. you don't bomb your opponents in the new millenium, you tariff them or hack their databases.

sorry schizos you're not getting the epic death count you want.

>>18583148

>>18583101
lol if you have seen any east asian army you would realize they are probably the most beta cuck paper tiger forces in the world, including china

i would bet real money their faulty shit would kill more of their own then ours

>>18583208
based
>>18583230
neck yourself warmonger

>>18583148
The n-word pass

>>18583205
Okay, Chang.

>>18583184
>Game theory posits neither side will use nukes in a war because of mutually assured destruction.
Nah.
Game theory posits that mutually assured destruction makes people more trigger happy. If you destroy the other country first, they have no chance to destroy you. With hypersonic missiles you can nuke China in 10 minutes now

>>18583230
??

>>18583272
so I am a Chang for having at least a bit of sanity left

>>18583280
>With hypersonic missiles you can nuke China in 10 minutes now
>implying we don't have nukes in South Korea and Japan

It would be just a matter of seconds for us to nuke China.

>>18583280
I meant that both sides will fight a conventional war before using nukes.

>>18582784
So communism works now?

>>18583253
>i would bet real money their faulty shit would kill more of their own then ours
Possibly but they'd still have 5 times more manpower you could throw at them.

>>18583145
Not until we open up first nigger.

America is reopening

>>18583253
Your army is already heavily infected with the virus you retard.
The war, that USA started, is already ongoing you CIA brainwashed retard

>>18583315
Do we keep nukes in South Korea and Japan? I don't think so.

>>18583205
he's right though
and several American politicians and journalist helped them

>>18583368
>implying we don't control both countries with out military bases
>implying we don't have submarines patrolling the South China Sea

We will absolutely glass those fucking chink insectoids before they even knew what hit 'em.

>>18583351
Damn that virus which originated in the Wuhan biolab was actually released by the USA?

>>18583388
yeah no, it's hopeless talking reason to poltards. enjoy your nuclear fire.

>>18583443
ok chang

>>18582784
in all sincerity: China is royally fucked now because of coronachan. no one will want to do business with them anymore, if they can help it. if they can get out, they will. no one wants to be set up in China when the next coronachan, whatever it is, appears. not after this unprecedented shitstorm currently happening.

i hope they all starve to death. i really do, for what they did to the world with their wet markets. fucking argue with me, i dare you, you little bitch. i hope they all starve and we take over their country and fill it with white people instead, serves the chinks right.

>>18583438
CIA did a good job letting you tards forget about the "vaping" deaths in September/October.

>>18583497
Vaping deaths were vitamin E acetate in black market THC cartridges retard. This is some low-tier astroturfing you've got going on.

>>18583064
Alright mother fucker, let me break it down for you. The US spends more on the military than the next top 10 countries combined. We have 11 aircraft carriers with enough firepower on them to blow any country on earth to high heaven. Aside from a single aircraft carrier owned by the French, we are the only one to have nuclear powered carriers. To put that into perspective, China has two active carriers, and one them was Soviet made. Neither of them are nuclear powered, and neither of them have superior launching capabilities that ours have. The US has nearly more military aircraft than China and Russia combined, with absolutely superior combat capabilities. Our soldiers in both the Army and Marine Corps have more advanced equipment than any other country on earth. Military training in the west is superior in every way to that of the training done in the east. We have a massive fleet of drones capable of destroying a target without even needing boots on the ground. As someone in the military that can confirm all of this, we would absolutely fucking stomp that communist piece of shit whinnie the poo looking mother fucker into an entirely different dimension. This goes without saying that every other western nation would also be on our side, so take the US military power and combine it with some of other most powerful, well equipped, and best trained military programs on earth and you have a force that could not only squeeze every last bit of life out of that dog shit communist shit hole, but could probably go to an alien planet and destroy their entire civilization.

>>18583531
Absolutely

>>18583351
assuming this were true i wouldn't even be mad at this point. i fucking hate the chinese now.

>>18583561
>duhh duhh i have no argument regarding the topic at hand
You're either stupid or completely disingenuous

>>18582784
they're losing right now

>>18583472
I am a SEA who still has a bit of sanity left but nice try
I will just grab my popcorn real quick

>>18583145

This is so retarded

>>18583345
>manpower

LOL YOU THINK MANPOWER MATTERS LOLOLOLOLOL

technology is all that matters. manpower didn't help the japs much in WWII did it? i want you to think about that for a second. don't post and actually contemplate that for a second. if raytheon can actually disarm missiles fired at the US the Chinese are completely and utterly fucked in any conflict, you will be glass, Chang.

>>18583481
What country would be best/most likely to take over Ch*na's manufacturing niche? No one is going to want anything from that fucking fetid corpse of a country after this. They deserve every bit of malice their way and more yet to come.

>>18583620
>We no test kits
>We poor
>We have best people
>We smart
>But no test kits
Yes.

>>18582892
My brother was a Afghan Vet and just got called yesterday to sign a 2 Year active duty contract.

Highly suspicious.

>>18583544
You forgot to mention that the US is ruled by gay feminist Boomers

>>18583667
>i still have no counterargument for my batshit insane theory that somehow the vaping deaths were due to coronavirus that somehow did not transmit to anybody but people who vaped illegal THC cartridges
Please, keep going.

>>18583438
why "Nobel Peace Prize"? anything in particular or do the chinks just hate peace?

>>18583544
it's hilariously absurd. if you want to bet against the US, bet against literally anything, ANYTHING, except the military. i mean holy fucking shit, we've been world police for awhile now, decades. we put an absurd amount of capital into R&D of how to murder people and prevent ourselves from being murdered. like... a fucking insane amount into that. it's the one thing you don't want to bet against, the one single thing i cannot stress this enough. betting against the US military is the worst thing you could possibly do lmao.

>>18583351
>t. Chinese agent

>>18583694
Then it's pretty fucking sad that China can't put together a better military than a bunch of gay feminist boomers

>>18583481
Absolutely based and correct.

>>18583148
To avoid that assorted fiat economies have collapsed upon itself thus looking for ghosts (trumpfags = muh china viroos attack that at the same time "its just a flu"/jooz, chinafags = usa is attacking us imperialist etcetc") etc

>>18582784
Everyday china gets more and more based.

>>18583632
ok dinh nguyen

>>18583694
gay feminist Boomers are "good times" people. when we hit the "bad times"? look the fuck out. God.... i can't fucking WAIT for how fucked the faggots are gonna be when shit finally gets real. when survival becomes our all encompassing purpose, not "feelings". survival.

>>18582784
Historically China always loses. Always.

>>18583718
If you want me to, sure, Mr. We no test kits

>>18583666
India.
It's already shifted over to them to a great extent actually.

>>18583718
>tfw i have a vape and i get dank weed from my dealer that i vape out of it

i don't understand the cartridges thing. literally just get real weed and vape it it's not that difficult.

>>18583725
>betting against the US military is the worst thing you could possibly do
This. 100% this. Thousands and thousands of years from now, if we have people living on mars and terraforming venus, the history books will reflect that the US was the most powerful state to ever exist on earth, not even comparable to the Roman empire. The kicker? They built that power in less than 200 years.

>>18582943
>there will be no war

you're fucked, buddy.

>>18583733
Don't forget that you have an obligation to donate shekels

>>18582784
>China never lo-
HAHAHAHAHA

>>18583812
This is a pretty clever disinfo strategy and this pretty much confirms you're working for somebody - accusing your enemies exactly of what you're doing. But you still have nothing linking Fort Dietrick to anything related to Coronavirus. Unlike our good friend Li Wenliang.

>>18583070
according to game theory, i really hope it will work

but it's just a theory

born out a the sheer madness of a paranoid schizophrenic

what if it turns out if he was wrong

>>18583666
first of all, based Satan trips.

but otherwise, in all seriousness? latin america and south america, for the US. any asian country that isn't China is already seeing gains (Taiwan, Vietnam, Laos, etc). but feel free to screencap this, over the course of the next decade expect to see a ton of manufacturing go to Latin and South America. expect a major NAFTA-esque agreement to be signed. South America will become our new Chinks slave labor, just watch.

China fucked themselves with wet markets. their best bet would be to make wet markets illegal but watch, they'll never do it. they will continue to have 90% of the population be 3rd world, they will continue to produce the worst diseases, just watch over the next decade. look at every fucking disease, LOOK AT HISTORY LOOK AT ALL OF THE PANDEMICS THEY ALL FUCKING COME FROM CHINA JUST LOOK.

>>18584064
i already said this. we still have wars, they just aren't armed conflicts anymore. we find alternative ways to wage battle with other countries. it's not hard to understand.

>>18583064
China loses to Japan within a couple months. The US doesn't get involved.

>>18584024
It's just a coincidence that your army has the most cases (per capita)...
Fort Detrick... a military installation... very famous place
The Secret History of Fort Detrick, the CIA’s Base for Mind Control Experiments

>>18584070
>wet markets
Please don’t tell me you actually believe that

If digits then Trump will use Rods from God

>>18583654
If you turn entire China into glass you're gonna rule over frozen wasteland and your allies will be turned into an ash. What is nuclear winter? What is mutually assured destruction? How many % of their nukes need to pass some perfect defense system to upgrade your status from already fucked to ultra fucked? It doesn't really matter. Nukes aren't weapons, they're leverage. Even in full fledged war they probably would only be used as an intert fear factor to never push the other side too hard.

>>18583208
those are just babi war ways until the buildup+creshendo into full fledged war

YOU WILL BE IN DANGER SOON
https://youtu.be/qkm1RYLV5j0

>>18584222
Nuclear weapons have no leverage. China's need for foreign inputs can be interrupted outside of China's ICBM range, let alone their naval range.

>>18583946
Hadnt seen this one before, thanks.
Pic related

>>18584168
>Not believing it
The ascended take is realizing they don't care about wet markets because plagues help their population problem and cripple other countries.

>>18584160
Here's some shit for you to sink your teeth into since you're clearly just reading off of a script.

>>18583856
>not even comparable to the Roman empire
Burger education LOL
the US shits the bed more and more, wont survive the next 200 years faggot

>>18582784
Is China going to save my oil futures?

>poltards: "its just a meme flu"
>also poltards: "they ruined our economy"

China is playing chess while you stupid Americans playing checkers

YOU ARE IN DANGER , THE WEST IS DOOMED
https://youtu.be/qkm1RYLV5j0

>>18583280
You can go and read up on a certain part of history called the Cold War.

>>18584365
Last time I checked Rome didn't have the force projection to deploy forced to the other side of the planet m8.

>>18584349
So, why is the US military highly affected by it?
The US military, that military that went to Wuhan... what a coincidence that they have such a high amount of cases...

>>18584395
>force the economy into a shutdown
>people are losing jobs
>people are running out of food
>leftist sociopaths "lol drumpf"

explain why this is happenign like im a brainlet. I dont get it, how is supply that much greater than demand and why isnt gas for my car free now.

>>18584535
>third world countries are having increased rates of preventable deaths
>meme

>>18584493
You can continue spamming your ESL brain-mush theorem on the US army... vaping THC pods that were infected with coronavirus from Fort Dietrick? You're all over the place attempting to pin it down in America when the Wuhan Bio-lab has a cohesive narrative.

>>18584611
I wonder who is behind the media...

>>18582892
Hard to use your vast oil reserves with your lmao 1 aircraft carrier as you get shelled from 50 miles off the coast.

In a land invasion, China would be tough. But we’d never invade from land. We’d just cripple all coastal cities and let the people open up civil wars due.

>>18584582
>oil source keeps vomiting oil 24/7
>oil companies use this to fill up barrels
>sell barrels
>SARS 2.0 happens, people stop buying barrels
>oil source keeps vomiting
>run out of space to store extra barrels
>pay people to take away your barrels

>>18583049
This. USA is already a third world country. If the economy keeps going in the same direction there will come a day when USA won't even be able to afford their military anymore. The US will be forced to start a war while they're still the worlds biggest military power.

China can coordinate their response to economic shocks far more than countries like the United States. That is why they don’t lose.

>>18584645
Is it the jews? The capitalists? The satanist pedophiles? Any of those can be true while the fact of China breaking containment of a deadly disease and covering it up remains true.

>>18582892
>upcoming war.
The war is currently ongoing, my dude

>>18583481
India must be salivating to pick up all that Chinese business. God did they fuck themselves, not like there aren’t plenty of countries with cheap labor.

>>18584732
Yeah. The US should've copied Rome's idea of having a dictator (in the original sense of the word) who takes over the country during a time of crisis.

>>18584731
>covering up
>new undetected disease
The full genome was released over a month before Trump talked about it.

>>18584731
>>18584817
Funnily enough, USA needed afterwards 2 more months to produce some test kits...
That cover up of China was surely the fault...

>>18584582

Not enough people are buying the oil, but the reason your gas isn’t free is because oil gets refined into gasoline, and the refining process costs money. You have to pay for people and inputs to create the gasoline out of the oil. The cheap oil reduces costs of these refiners so they can lower the price of gasoline, but it isn’t free. This is also why the mid-stream isn’t as hurt by the low price of oil. They’re upset if people aren’t buying gasoline for instance, or if oil becomes so scarce they can’t meet demand, but if oil prices tank it doesn’t NECESSARILY hurt them, they just need to be competitive enough to keep turning a profit when the more efficient refineries sell their gasoline for low prices.

>>18583158
Nice try Xi, China just barely turned a profit in 2019. 2020 is finally the end of the infinite growth bubble.

>>18583027
>>18582943
They said that in 1914.

>>18583544
>muh us military
i guess we really are going to war

>>18584817
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/%20ETb_P7yU4AI-sGs.jpg/
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/ETdlu66X0Akix8_.jpg/
I've got a question - why are you up so late in "Spain"?

Why are there so many Chinese shills on the internet lately? Is it damage control?

>>18584468
ROFLOLOL check m8
Being a host nation for a parasitical tribe will crush your nation, jews are preparing you for that and propping up your enemies to fill in the blank the US leaves, history repeats itself, with jews you lose, and there never was a more jewish nation than the US.so dont compare your soulless globohomo gayplex state to Rome degenerate faggot

>>18584901
It's 23:57 here in Spain

>>18583158
Kek, imagine sipping CCP kool-aid this hard and not realizing that they are potentially facing a famine and that they just got done having one of the worst economic figures when it comes to pumping bad credit desperately into old dying manufacturing sectors. On top of that their housing bubble hasn't even collapsed and they have totally closed themselves off to the world. If anything this bound to be another "great leap forward" to them where millions die because of poverty, disease, and starvation while they close themselves off to the world.

>>18584812
Its called martial law in its modern expression

>>18584999
Yeah, and a Spaniard cares so much about the united states ZOG, right?

>>18585006
They are self sufficient in most ways except oil.
They can fast build storage facilities for that free oil right now. They won’t need oil again

>>18582892
THE SUMMER WAR IS UPON US NOW

>>18585064
China is self-sufficient in almost nothing. Not food, not tech, not oil, nor are they self-sufficient for the inputs needed to make most of it.

CHINA WILL COLLAPSE ANY DAY NOW BROS I BELIEVE
(people actually believe this)

>>18582892
Blackrock basis its future plan on 50% of their growth coming from China. You are not going to war against China, the jews who own you make too much money from China

>>18585053
nooo... how could someone think that?

>>18584817
>>18584846
go back to /pol/ chinkbot

>>18584812
We do have this in a sense. There exists a rank in the American military that can only be used in times of war. It allows a single person to take control of the entire military.

>>18583544
what is nuke?

>>18583152
A post-apocalyptic Neo-Ottoman sultanate, then?

>>18583544
And yet got BTFO'd by rice eaters hiding in bushes

>>18584335
It escaped from their bioweapons research facility dingus

>>18585120

It’s sad. While Jeff Bezos is warning that China’s tech industry will overtake the developed world’s, while the media has been in overdrive attacking them for human rights and Hong Kong (make no mistake, it’s because China is a competitor. We don’t give a shit about human rights when it comes to our allies), while Trump has been sucking up to the CCP because he desperately wants to get a favorable trade deal that slows down their growth into high value industry, you get people on image boards mouthing off that China will collapse tomorrow, that they’re actually about to starve to death, that the sky is falling for them any day now. The whole reason they are such a national issue, that Biden is making ads about spooky China and Trump built half of his campaign in 2016 on how he would be tough with China, is because they are an economic threat for American hegemony. Everybody knows it. That’s why we are even talking about them so fucking much. They’re not just going to collapse tomorrow.

>>18582943
>he didn't buy RTX

>>18583205
Hit a nerve?

>>18582784
Absolute madmen.
>>18582892
Most likely this.

>>18585286
kek tell that to the japanese

>>18585284
I prepared for this

>>18583481
Their soft power is still intact. Try criticizing China's people or the country without referencing the CCP and feel the shit storm that ensues. The West is paralyzed by Chinese and Russian soft power and can't afford the political capital beyond demanding that the CCP act differently on epidemics going forward. Not even an apology, just a limpwristed appeal to please adopt best practices. Because of faggots who conflate criticism of a country with hatred of people of that country's ethnicity + bullshit whataboutisms and fears of historical hypocrisy.

The West will do nothing. Even if they want to, they can't because of the masses of already conquered shitheads who will tear apart political brands.

>>18583544
And yet, the US hasn't won a single war since Korea.

>>18582784
This they just keep winning.

Get ready to be bought up by Tencent, America.

>>18585064
How can you believe that shit without actually looking at their economy? They import a fuck ton of food, they eat nearly double the amount of pork per average individual a year than Americans but their pig supply just got halfed because dumb fucks couldn't handle swine flu. Their food and health Minister came out 4 months ago saying they were expecting famine just to change it during Corona when they are lying about everything at that point. You are so fucking ill informed.

>>18582943
>He didn't price in WW3
Not gonna make it

>>18585457
This.

>>18585457
Closing off to the rest of the world makes it seem like it's going to be another "great leap forward" for them. I expect history to repeat and see millions of Chinese die from famine, poverty, and disease because of their incompetent government.

>>18584935
I'm Australian but ok

>>18583544
this guy is larping big time here

>>18582985
hes not 12, unlike someone (u)

>>18585623
Fuck off you tard, we have western countries in Europe considering the best outcome is just to bill China for damages and make them pay for this.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/12164106
You dumb fucks carrying water for China are pathetic. There is a day of reckoning coming for the CCP which is why they are acting so desperate.

>>18585839
You say that like China will be fazed. They have 1400 million. They can afford 300 million deaths by starvation and be richer off because it raises their per capita gdp

>>18586110
Nearly a 1/3rd of your population of China dying won't go unnoticed by the citizens of China or the rest of the world and if you think people will look at this and think "stability" you are even crazier than the incompetent chinks running the CCP.

>>18586088
>the best outcome is just to bill China for damages and make them pay for this.
China won't pay a dime. That is, expect when they're buying up all of your companies for cheap during this flash sale.

Pic related, China still has manufacturing, even after all of this. Who won again?

should have let the Japanese destroy the bug people Chinese when we had the chance.

>>18585790
grain is 95.55% self-sufficient. Just because they import pork doesn’t mean they need it to survive. They also import onions which is their biggest import. Are you saying they can’t live without their SOI?

>>18583047
I'm losing my shit, thanks for this post.

>>18586163
Nobody would blink twice if 300 million Chinese people died except maybe their relatives.the CCP probably released corona just so they could kill off their elderly. You don’t know how China works. It works for the government. Always has

>>18582943
there is no war in ba sing se

>>18586273
>You don’t know how China works.
>bro let me tell you about your country

>>18584262
>creshendo

>>18583681
Hahahaha big doubt you larping retard. No vets are getting active duty contracts offers because of this

>>18586216

And you think they'll manage to live off of 95.55% self sufficient grain? thats not going to feed the population.

>>18586178
Oh wow manufacturing industries that have been dying and being funded with bad credit and relies heavily on exports when no one is trading right now. I'm sure all these countries pissed with China are really going to want to keep doing business there. Yeah no, you are a retard who has been sipping so much CCP Kool aid that you might as well be a Manchurian candidate. China is going to pay and you can stop your feet and cry about it but that is just reality my friend.

>>18586216
Wow are we going back to Mao again where the peasants survive off the "nutrients" of rice? Holy fucking shit you guys are dumb.

>>18586363
Well it’ll feed the ones it needs to feed.
People with a high social score

>>18582808
It is actually. They're projected to be the only major economy to grow this year and it is estimated they'll grow up to 9% next year.

>>18586408
You cannot stop the future. Just use TikTok and Zoom like the rest of us. Embrace the change.

>>18586408
>China is going to pay
You sound like one of those fat niggas who do nothing but lost anti-China shit on Twitter
Keep coping though

>>18586273
Great I have been going to China for the past 5 years and 8 times alone last year because I work as a chemical engineer but please tell me more about a country you know fuck all about and never been too. Ignore their shitty gdp per capita and how poor the average person there and how the price of food just keeps going up for them. Fucking arragont dumb fucks.

>>18586496
this

>>18586408
this is mental illness

>>18582784
>>18582808
>>18582892
>>18582938
>>18582940
>>18582943
>>18582972
>>18582972
>>18582974
>>18582985
>>18583027
>>18583047
https://youtu.be/hRu8ZhdIRIE

>>18586477
Oh you mean like the shills who carry water for the CCP. Yeah I'm sure you are the most enlightened individual here huffing your own farts because it's the closest thing to the air in mainland China. You got called out for being wrong and a retard but go ahead and cry about it.

>>18586496
You’re the kind of guy that would mentally remain a virgin no matter how many times he has sex.
China likes authority. Nobody is ever going to rebel. They like a strong man giving them orders. They are fascist.

>>18586550
Kek, enjoy ignoring reality my friend because it doesn't fit your narrative.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/12164106

>>18584070
>South America will become our new Chinks slave labor, just watch
Amigo, you underestimate how lazy/entitled we are.
We might live in the pigsty, but we're as (or almost as) demanding as a first worlder, there's no way we'll be put in sweatshops and deal with it.

If the pay is above what the Chinese receive, though, that might work, cause it'd still be cheaper for you than doing it internally.

>>18586567
>Oh you mean like the shills who carry water for the CCP
Nah I'm talking about the shills who do it for free for the CIA
>Yeah I'm sure you are the most enlightened individual here huffing your own farts because it's the closest thing to the air in mainland China. You got called out for being wrong and a retard but go ahead and cry about i
What the fuck are you trying to say

>>18586569
People literally rebel all the time in China you just don't see it because you are too retarded to search for it and talk about things you don't know shit about and get offended when people actually post facts to prove you wrong. Their culture is literally all about saving face and you are retarded enough to buy into it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/blogs-china-blog-48904350

>>18586695
Yes. It’s about saving face.
Rebelling will not save face.
They didn’t rebel during Mao when 60 million died.
They won’t rebel now during the time of unprecedented prosperity

>>18584805
India has no infrastructure and their economy is fucked.

See >>18586178
Companies ain't leaving.

>>18583147
Taiwan is the perfect staging ground for a full on invasion of china. that is why the US is making friends with taiwan and had a massive flight there (now moved because of the virus, which if you want to think this why the CCP released the virus so the US and taiwan will be weak now)
>>18583148
china wants to rule the world, they already own massive amounts of land all over the world. they have to take asia first though. many countries of asia like the US better, even if they despise each other they all hate the chinese the most.

>>18586727
>china wants to rule the world
What? Why would a developing country want to rule the world? You're not making much sense, bud.

>>18586669
>Nah I'm talking about the shills who do it for free for the CIA
Oh and you don't think there are people in mainland China so brainwashed they don't do it for free. Man you are dumb but then again you think the CCP will actually cares about their citizens when they give zero fucks in the first place.

>What the fuck are you trying to say
I guess you wouldn't know what the air is like over there since you have never been. Want an example? Just keep huffing your own farts kid about shit you don't have a clue about.

>>18586719
>They didn’t rebel during Mao when 60 million died
You are a dumb fuck if you believe that, they literally had a civil war over this with the CCP taking mainland. The CCP is still too incompetent to take Hong Kong or Taiwan. You literally might as well be a Manchurian candidate with all the water you carry for the CCP.

>>18586727
>they already own massive amounts of land all over the world.
>china man's phone rings
>yes hello, this is the US/Canadian/UK/Australian/Europe head of XYZ bank, due to new government regulations, we will be taking your land. You will not be reimbursed.

>>18585839
I can only get so erect

>>18586790
>I guess you wouldn't know what the air is like over there
My nigga are you living in the early 2000s? China's air quality has drastically improved
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2019-07-18/beijing-breathes-cleanest-air-on-record-101440898.html

>Oh and you don't think there are people in mainland China so brainwashed
Considering anyone in China could go on a western website with a VPN or go to a western country, it's kinda hard to be brainwashed.

>think the CCP will actually cares about their citizens when they give zero fucks in the first place.
If they truly gave zero fucks why is China's quality of life only improving? Why does the approval rating only go up? Why does China continue to lift people out of extreme poverty
cope and seethe

>>18586722
OK you can believe whatever you want and ignore the ones that do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/09/japan-ditches-china-in-multi-billion-dollar-coronavirus-shakeout/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/pandemic-accelerates-push-to-move-supply-chains-out-of-china%3f_amp=true

>>18586906
Yup yup

>>18586178
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-business/most-u-s-firms-have-no-plans-to-leave-china-due-to-coronavirus-survey-idUSKBN21Z08K
>A total of 68% reported that demand for products and services was below normal.
>The survey was conducted from March 6-13 and received responses from 25 companies.
>Noting how the top concerns for companies had shifted over the course of those two surveys, from the U.S.-China trade war to the coronavirus, the chambers said over half of their March respondents said it was too soon to tell whether their China supply chain strategy for the next three to five years would change.
>The proportion of respondents who said they thought it would be impossible for the two economies to decouple fell to 44% in the latest survey, from 66% in October.
You were scared to link the full article because you want to spread misinformation.

>>18586950
Ah yes the classic meme post argument

>>18586763
>Why would a developing country want to rule the world?
>Why would [insert any country here] want to be in the most prime position for acquiring material goods and resources for its general benefit?
Anon
Anon please

>>18584731
>jews
>capitalists
>satanic pedophiles

All you had to say was jews.

>>18586906
Do you really think you're ever going to convince someone? Just tell Pooh that you're playing Animal Crossing.

>>18586923
>>18586952
No country is able to truly leave China. They are just tying to have less reliance on them. Doesn't mean it's going to work. This is the equivalent of Trump rambling about bringing manufacturing back home every single day.
It's all up to the corporations and there's no way they're going to leave the biggest East Asian market.

>>18586978
You shill using cherry picked articles from a group that is culturally predisposed to lying. Figure it out.

>>18585140
Finally a one who gets it

>>18586722
panic more chang

>>18586906
>My nigga are you living in the early 2000s? China's air quality has drastically improved
Depends where you live but it still isn't clean.

>Considering anyone in China could go on a western website with a VPN or go to a western country, it's kinda hard to be brainwashed.
Oh yeah and how many do you think do that when they aren't supposed to. The average mainlander doesn't even know what Hong Kongers are protesting about and they don't care because the average person every where on earth doesn't bother staying informed. Shit, you have people unable to even tell you what happened at Tianmin Square because they try so hard to censor that shit and you seriously don't think they are brainwashed. Have you ever even talked to a mainland Chinese person at all before you base your opinions on such nonsense?

>If they truly gave zero fucks why is China's quality of life only improving? Why does the approval rating only go up? Why does China continue to lift people out of extreme poverty
cope and seethe
Because that is so hard to do when you have a parasitic economy that steals IP constantly and manipulates it's labor supply to be cheap. The stupid thing is their time for being able to do this has run out. Manufacturing took a big hit before Corona even began and China was posting terrible Financials when it came to pumping credit into dying manufacturers when their labor isn't even cheap anymore. Keep seething for the CCP you weird factor, you don't even have any invested in supporting them and stand nothing to gain. Keep barking like a dog for the CCP you dumb bitch.

>>18587014
See
>>18586978
>Just tell Pooh that you're playing Animal Crossing.
This is hilarious to me because the Chinese are still playing animal crossing

>>18587042
How is that article cherrypicked? You can find many articles about China's improved air quality

So just throwing it out there: are we near a point where we can just spit on Chinese people based on general principles? Asking for a friend

>>18587025
No one ever said China would be fully cut off, but this is the chance the west was looking for to break "dependency" on them. We have allies that are more than willing to become our manufacturing whore, and they're at least a democracy. On top of this, one of the billionaires on Trump's task force believes this is the time for America to jump headfirst into robotics
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/04/16/mark-cuban-only-way-to-take-jobs-back-from-overseas-is-with-robotics/

>>18583725
>why "Nobel Peace Prize"? anything in particular or do the chinks just hate peace?
Lui Xiaobo got a peace prize for saying the Chinese would be better off if they were colonized by the US and UK for 500 years so they could develop a real culture. The CCP weren't big fans.

>>18583666
Mexico

>>18586763
so they can own everything. they control so much already and most people have now clue.
>>18586869
the US maybe has the balls to do that. i wish every country would do that though. doesnt Aus sell more homes to chinese than native born people now?

>>18585140
lmao no, that means blackrock profits no matter who wins or loses

>>18583064
China is going to zap America's economy so hard it won't be able to sustain a war. China will win by fatiguing America into submission.

>>18587025
>corporations announce they are leaving China
>it's up to the corporations
It's crazy but a few months ago people stood in solidarity with the people from Hong Kong by boycotting products and companies carrying water for the CCP but now we are divided because orange man bad. You guys are fucking morons.

>>18586852
CCP are Manchuria cucks for (((them))) and their masters

>>18583694
honestly that's a pretty major handicap

>>18587114
China’s leadership is barely holding on to power. Most of their military is deployed internally to suppress dissent. All the US needs to do is cut off the supply of food and wait.

>>18587087
This was happening before the outbreak. It's not anything new. Chinese labor is not as cheap as it once was.

>>18587134
All the US needs to do is launch a bunker buster at this fucker.

>>18587155
Don’t even have to. If they’re eating bats during good times, imagine what they’ll be eating when the world rightfully cuts them off.

>>18587122
No joke we have people here praising mainland China because orange man bad even though a few months ago people were united with supporting the protests in Hong Kong by boycotting companies like blizzard for cow towing for the CCP. It's amazing how stupid and what a short term memory people have when it comes to this stuff.

>>18582943
This. China might try to fight in the South China Sea though.

>>18584931
It's fear mongering, don't fall for it. Because it's always a means to control people like us.

>>18587121
Most corporations are not leaving China, but they are building factories in poorer nations like Vietnam. You would be naive to believe companies are just going to pack up are leave a market of 1 billion people.

>>18587180
And they’ll get bootfucked by Japan, Taiwan and all their other neighbours they’ve pissed off, which is to say all of them. They’re completely boxed in.

>>18583823
It's mainly Vietnam and Malaysia. India and Indonesia are pretty underdeveloped for mass manufacturing.

>>18587206
You are naive to believe this won't be a major hit for China who like an uppity hoe stepped out of line and has to get slapped by her pimp for it. Man their housing bubble hasn't even popped yet and it's even bigger and way worse than ours. The tallest sky scrapper they built in Shanghai that is supposed to be second tallest building in the world is mostly empty because Chinese companies can't even afford the offices there. You are seriously sipping the CCP Kool hard if you think without a closer look into their economy that their economic numbers are sound. Keep falling for how they save face with propaganda you dumb duck, here have this ancient Chinese proverb "appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak."

>>18587169
Too many US corps are invested in China for them to be cut off

>>18587261
Yes, you are naive I guess.

>>18587216
This. This is why in any war, China would need Russia to stand a chance. Russia is the only remedy for both their geography and inferior military, whereas China remedies Russia's lack of a strong global economy. Either way it's a shitshow for both of them because the USA has the created geographical advantage in human history. This is why WW3 won't ever happen. The new wars are economic.

>>18586466
>trusting the (((IMF)))

>>18583345
It worked for Russia v. Germany

>>18583544
This.
Time to finish this shit the chinks started in Korea. It's obvious they cant ever be trusted. If we curb stomp china, that would definitely change my opinion of trump for the better. Finish this shit Truman didnt have the balls to undertake.

>>18587299
OK cool when I'm riding through Shanghai and see a shit ton offices and buildings totally empty that's a sign of a healthy and stable economy? Face it man, you resort to ad hominems because you can't argue facts otherwise you could prove me wrong.

>>18587263
> believing those corps are actually american
Oh sweet summer child
Patents and the most competent engineers can be transfered in a whim
Retarded CEOs will be thrown to masses for lynching and average workers will be justd in the bread line

>>18587338
Or he's a paid shill.

>>18587356
if there not actually american then that just strengthens my stance lol

>>18587361
Why do you retards always accuse people of being paid shills? What have I said that made you think I was a shill?

>>18587478
The fact you have zero arguments when it comes to the facts brought up you dumb bitch. What incentive do you even have to support a government that is only a half a step up from being north korea?

>>18587530
What the fuck are you talking about schizo? I just said it's unlikely that companies are leaving a market as large as China.

>>18587073
>Depends where you live but it still isn't clean.
China is a big country and improvement is improvement

>The average mainlander doesn't even know what Hong Kongers are protesting about
Do you have a source on that?

>>18587588
And then I pull articles to show billions of dollars worth of factories and equipment being moved out by America, Europe, and Japan and you act like that won't be a major to hit to them you slow dim witted dumb motherfucker. You choose what you want to believe and that's the rose tinted picture of China. Why don't you take off the rose tinted glasses and see the red flags you dumb fuck?

test

>>18587439
It indeed does. Not arguing on that

>>18587632
>China is a big country and improvement is improvement
Wow great rebuttle to rest of everything I said and there air STILL ISN'T CONSIDERED CLEAN.

>Do you have a source on that?
How about you talk to a mainland Chinese person in person before you pretend like you know how they think. Holy shit you are dumb, is that really far fetched for you???

>>18587676
Samefag glow shill coming soon

>>18587703
Its clean right now

>>18587703
>How about you talk to a mainland Chinese person in person before you pretend like you know how they think. Holy shit you are dumb, is that really far fetched for you???
So you don't have a source
Just admit you're spouting bullshit

>china ships containers of 'n95' masks to US
>welds the containers up and fills with oil
>takes to african chinese proxy
>sells box oil (on credit) to blacks in africa
>builds refinery in africa (on credit)
>standard chinese contract, nigs cant pay we get to keep everything
>nigs cant pay
>burgers get more coof from fake n95 masks
>the chinese menace advances

just heckin crash already WTF
how these markets so delusional

>>18587745
Sounds like a genius plan and nobody can stop it

>>18583280
What are submarines?
What are mobile launchers?

>>18587734
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3011892/generation-amnesia-why-chinas-youth-dont-talk-about-tiananmen
>So you don't have a source
Holy fuck you need me to spoon feed you a source because it's not fucking common sense enough for you?
>Just admit you're spouting bullshit
Just admit you have no idea what you are talking about and are talking about a group of people you have never met or even been to their country. Why the fuck are you carrying water for the CCP?

>>18582892
So is the US

>>18587985
Literally every country on earth has maxed their capacity to store oil.

>>18583027
Agreed. The Chinese have literally never won a major war. Their geography works against them.

>>18588023
That’s why a war won’t happen and their gdp will keep going up thus raising their living standards and influence

>>18588040
Gdp going up doesn't spell automatically mean that their living standards are going up, it just means more spending is happening. GDP per capita is a sign living standards are improving for the average person.

>>18588081
Yes. The economy must go on.
Nobody will get in the way of this

>>18583544
How come you lost in Vietnam?

>>18583681
fake and gay unless proven otherwise incel

>>18583544
carriers are sitting ducks lol. serious question, do you think a carrier and its escort fleet can prevent hundreds of missiles being launched simultaneously from hitting a carrier and sinking it/rendering it inoperable? Carriers have been obsolete for a long time, funny watching you try to claim that theyre a game changer. carriers only matter when it comes to bullying 3rd world countries, against china or russia the US carrier fleet would be the first casualties of any war. If you doubt this then ask yourself again, what technology can protect against hundreds of hypersonic missiles being fired simultaneously against a single target? it doesnt exist, the idea of the "invincible" US carrier fleets is just a myth

>>18587815
That article has nothing to with the Hong kong protest

>>18588110
The economy isn't going on, it's literally in transition for change...

>>18588140
Wow ok so let me find you one about that. Jesus christ you horribly obtuse.

>>18588023
dirt poor 3rd world tier china fought the battle hardened fresh out of WW2 US to a standstill in the korean war lol...

>>18588110
Anon, don't tell me you still believe in infinite growth. Obviously it's not suddenly dropping to a 3rd world country, but the bubble has popped.

>>18588167
>The mainland doesn't know what's going on in Hong Kong you idoit
>Source?
>OH MY FUCKING GOD DID JUST ASK FOR A SOURCE???? HERE TAKE THIS IRRELEVANT ARTICLE ABOUT TIANANMEN SQUARE
Ok

>>18587100
This guy gets it.

Large tariff free border with the worlds no#1 consumer driven economy for the next 50 years? Check
Healthy demography and birth rate? Check
No meaningful security threats? Check
Highly skilled manufacturing labor force? Check (WAY better than China)
Friendly relations with worlds no#1 consumer driven economy for the next 50 years? Check
Ratified trade treaty with worlds no#1 consumer driven economy for the next 50 years? Check
Energy producer and not importer? Check
Large deep water ports on both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans? Check
Stones throw from Panama Canal? Check

Mexico is THE biggest winner with China losing. I'm happy for them (Canada Fag). Imagine a wealthy 1st world Mexico???? Holy Shit North America will rule.

https://zeihan.com/the-cutting-room-files-part-2-the-future-of-mexico/

>>18588239
>a government that allows no criticism of them is going to publicize to its people the legitimate reasons to why Hong Kongers are protesting
If I wasn't park at a red light I'd spoon feed your source you mega obtuse retard.

>>18587155
Or, you know, wait a few years for mother nature to do it for us.
>Days after the first filling of the reservoir, around 80 hairline cracks were observed in the dam's structure.[147][148][149] The submerged spillway gates of the dam might pose a risk of cavitation, similar to that which severely damaged the poorly designed and cavitating spillways of the Glen Canyon Dam in the US state of Arizona, which was unable to properly withstand the Colorado river floods of 1983.[150] However, 163,000 concrete units of the Three Gorges dam all passed quality testing and the deformation was within design limits. An experts group gave the project overall a good quality rating.[151]
fyi cavitation nearly collapsed the Glen Canyon Dam because it ate away thousands of tons of rocks at the base and was about to eat away at the dam's foundation. Three Gorges is basically one flood away from collapsing violently.

>>18588328
>>a government that allows no criticism of them
You've claim to been to China, yet I don't think you know anything about it/can't even read mandarin

>going to publicize to its people the legitimate reasons to why Hong Kongers are protesting
You mean because of bringing criminals who escaped to Hong Kong back to the mainland?

>>18588168
They also lost over a million troops and as a result have to prop up their North Korean basket case ally forever.

ANY resulting war in the Korean penninsula results in millions of NK refugees pouring into racist and xenophobic China. Sounds like fun.

This causes massive diplomatic problems for China with all their neighbors (SK, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam).

America just has to keep 50k troops in SK as a trigger force and buy the occasional Samsung phone.

I'd say America won the long war easily.

>>18588139
an expensive, physically large, offensive weapon like a carrier will always be at a disadvantage against relatively cheap, smaller, extremely fast, defensive weapons like missiles. carrier fleets (even with their entire escort!) are completely helpless against mass missile attacks, anyone who claims otherwise is not as knowledgeable about modern warfare as theyre acting like they are, if they get lippy then ask them how a carrier fleet would deal with a mass missile attack and watch them sputter and deflect

>>18588401
They can afford to lose a hundreds of millions.
When you’ve got more people than bullets then you always win. Like how Russia streamrolled the nazis

>>18588383
I will prove you wrong latrr retard but why are you defending the ccp?

>>18583632
>I am a SEA
So you're the person who will ACTUALLY get buttfucked first in an imperialist China scenario?
Enjoy the labor camps, nguyen.

>>18583304
now you're starting to understand how the chain of logic works on this website

>>18588401
except nothing you said disproves what I just wrote, you just threw a bunch of assumptions out and tried to act like they were authoritative. The truth is that an extremely poor china fought an extremely powerful US to a standstill, these are facts. If the US gets involved in a groundwar in china it will be a bloodbath for both sides, people acting like it will be a walk in the park are delusional

>>18588483
>but why are you defending the ccp?
Woah it's almost like the CCP has done nothing but improve the lives of my people
Why would I hate them?

>>18588524
Wow sounds like you are sipping their Kool aid and have no grasp on history or what the great leap forward was and have no idea about the reality of day to day life there.

>>18582784
China consistently loses, historically speaking

>>18588563
>Wow sounds like you are sipping their Kool aid and
I mean dude
You'd have to be very delusional to ignore China's progress

>have no grasp on history or what the great leap forward was
There was lots of mistakes made by Mao yes, but this isn't Mao's China I'm talking about, I'm talking about Xi's China

>>18588524
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>>18586657
idk how it will work out, no one does yet. but it will. all you have to do is imagine yourself as the USA in this case and after coronavirus what you'd do to protect yourself from this shit happening in the future, because obviously it's cataclysmic-tier. we all got blindsided by this, unironically, but there won't be a "next time" after how big of a shitshow this coronavirus shit is, trust me on that.

>>18588524
You fucking twat, they have been blocking online gaming to stop honk kongers from protesting online and informing mainlanders about what's going on but you need a source go fit inside of your obtuse ass hole of a world view of countries you have never been to

>>18588427
The reason China has to use non traditional military forces against American battle groups is because they have no choice. Its not the wily Chinese being smart. Its them having no other choice. They would LOVE to trade places with us in a heartbeat.

Also you don't really understand just how hardened a Ford class Aircraft carrier is and how fast it can remaneuver in battle formation. Any missile flying from mainland China is going to need at least a few minutes to reach the target which means:

(a) the carrier can move and alter path from estimated main impact areas
(b) deploy countermeasures and inertial trajectory scramblers on most fire and forget missiles, and flak the rest.

Any missiles that do hit will do at most, minor damage. Then what?

America will counter fire its traditional artillery and cruise missiles at every major Chinese energy substation within 500 miles of the coast and knock China back to stone age.

The reason we see all these cool smart missile videos on CNN is because America has to fight most of its wars with two arms tied behind its back. ANY attempt to sink a US battle group will result in MASSIVE retaliation with conventional firepower. Fuck the collateral damage. You really have no idea just how destructive most conventional arms are that AMerica has at its disposal.

Ask your chink paymasters what they remember of Matthew Ridgway's artillery barrages in the Korean war? They still have nightmares about it. And that was from 70 years ago before satellite imagery and real time target telemetry became possible. Oh you think USA can't knock out Chinese Satellites?

It will be a massacre. Plus the US can then rearm every major seperatist movement within CHina (and there are a LOT) afterwards and carve China up like Bush did the USSR.

Game over. I hope you are that stupid Wang.

>>18586569
Yup. Greatest irony in the world is that trump ball garglers would love China

>>18583544
Also the chinese army is infamous for their poor discipline and poor supplies.

>>18588657
DONT SUMMON THEM

>>18588401
also its funny how you had to overplay how racist and xenophobic the chinese would be against the north koreans lol. youre overstating your case, its clear youre ignorant about chinese society lol; there is an entire province of china that is basically populated by north koreans (yanbian province), did you not even know this? this kind of ignorance is typical for people like yourself though

>>18588672
> they have been blocking online gaming
The Chinese are still gaming online though?

> to stop honk kongers from protesting online and informing mainlanders
Hong Kong doesn't have the great fire wall and couldn't any mainlander just go to Hong Kong?

>>18588709
The ch*nks must be banished

>>18588640
>You'd have to be very delusional to ignore China's progress
You'd have to be a dumb ass hole not to see north Korea developing, it doesn't mean that it doesn't have a phony bologna economy you fucking that.

> I'm talking about Xi's China
Plenty but how would you know, you aren't informed about anything. YOU TALK ABOUT A COUNTRY YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN TO. Why don't you listen to the fucking ex-pats that lived there and let them tell you what's going on you horribly obtuse nigger.

>>18588427
Ocean is pretty big, good luck finding a few ships launching jets at your capital and air bases gg.

>>18585732
They won korea?

>>18588326
They would need to solve their cartel problem but I assume that would get more diminished over time at some point with economic growth, because why bother working illicitly if you can work legally for equal money or more?

But yeah, I feel sorry for you leafs because you have the similar downtrend demographics as we do but not nearly enough services industry as we do in the US and worse economical situation. Maybe getting dibs on the new Northwest passage might be a viable thing to steal competition away. You'll need that shipping volume.

>>18588515
Why the fuck would the US get into a ground war in China? we have allies for that.

Vietnam, SK, Philipines, India, Pakistan, Kazahkstan, Japan. Every ONE of those guys hates your guts because you have the worst diplomats on planet earth. See below from 7 days ago. Good job Wang. Way to pick your battles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kazakhstan-china/kazakhstan-summons-chinese-ambassador-in-protest-over-article-idUSKCN21W1AH

Plus all we have to do is knock out any and all maritime traffic from China (easy peasy with your awful Navy) and you slowly run out of both oil and food. Yes you are BOTH a energy importer and calorie importer. You think Hong Kong won't rebel against the glory of the middle kingdom when their food runs out???

Plus we don't even have to fight anywhere near your shitty fake islands or polluted sick coastlines. We can just park our fucking army reserve beer pong league coast guard in the Indian Ocean and commondere every gook oil vessel that tries to sneak by. Itll be like stealing candy from a baby.

A slowly starving, no electricity, no running water having baby at that.

>>18588740
>You'd have to be a dumb ass hole not to see north Korea developing, it doesn't mean that it doesn't have a phony bologna economy you fucking that.
This has nothing to do with I said
>that it doesn't have a phony bologna economy you fucking that.
Anyday now.

>Why don't you listen to the fucking ex-pats that lived there and let them tell you what's going on you horribly obtuse nigger.
I've spoken to many Chinese students/immigrants about China, bud, but I'm sure you know a lot more than they do

>>18588717
>The Chinese are still gaming online though?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tweaktown.com/news/71842/china-bans-online-gaming-with-foreigners-10pm-curfew-for-under-18s/amp.html
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING YOU MASSIVE STUPID FUCK.

>Hong Kong doesn't have the great fire wall and couldn't any mainlander just go to Hong Kong?
It doesn't work that way, why don't you go do some research. I have a fucking girlfriend (from Macau) to get back to you incredibly dumb prick.

>>18588845
>. I have a fucking girlfriend (from Macau) and a life to get back to you incredibly dumb prick.
Fixed.

>>18588825
I don't have time for this shift, this isn't the last thread about this and there are plenty of random idiots like you carrying water for a country you don't know shit about. Goodluck with life retard.

>>18588714
China is the most racist country on earth pal and you know it.

Their laws are like one big Jim Crow reenactment.

Yanbian province people need permits to travel and almost always Han Chinese will get preference.

The term most Han Chinese have for Hong Kong is translated to literally jungle nigger.

The Uigher populations are being forceably married to Han Chinese and millions put into gulags with forced sterilizations and organ harvesting.

I dated a teacher from Harbin and because she has part Russian ancestry she was told she could never get high ranking in the education system or communist party.

So fuck off with your BS.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/15/chinas-racism-is-wrecking-its-success-in-africa/

>>18588845
>Taiwannews reports
>Aninal crossing supposedly blocked but many chinese are still talking about on Weibo and bilibili
Doing a think

> I have a fucking girlfriend (from Macau) to get back to you incredibly dumb prick.
Yeah bro I got 5 girlfriends from there too
I can make up stuff too :)

>>18588899
>I don't have time for this shift,
Yes because you don't have an actual argument besides
>bro YOU'RE SUPPORTING COMMUNIST
>LOOOK AT THE PAST
I won
seethe and cope

>>18588454
Russia was being invaded by an exterminationist fascist enemy called the Nazi's.

No fucking way hundreds of millions of Chinese are dying for the CCP in some insane war they start with the USA and its allies.

No way.

In a bid to make all our nodes provider active to procure an alignment between the interest of the network and potential provider node @Tachyon protocol present wind up period

>china
>never loses
I mean, historically the most conquered people have been the Chinese.
By far.

>>18588917
>only linked source is China'a supposed racism on Africans
>actual truth is that the Africans refuse to get tested because it would expose their expired Visas
Ok

>>18588959
>Conquer China
>become Chinese
Ok

>>18588954
>No fucking way hundreds of millions of Chinese are dying for the CCP
America keeps making Chinese more nationalistic towards China though.

>in some insane war they start with the USA and its allies.
The CCP wouldn't start a war though

>>18588679
except nothing you said disproved my points though, the stuff about artillery is irrelevant because we were only discussing carriers to begin with, you only brought up the artillery stuff to fluff up your main point because you were (rightfully) insecure about it lol

you obviously dont understand how hypersonic missiles work if you think "countermeasures" are going to work on something going that fast lol...

also you do realize how silly it sounds to claim that a carrier can avoid hundreds of missiles right? good luck dodging every single one when all you need is a single one to render a carrier inoperable. think of how out of touch and delusional what youre saying sounds, it defies common sense lol

>>18588917
im korean and lived for years in china, the chinese were very hospitable to me. youre basically wrong lol

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>>18583544

fag

>>18588801
my point was that a poor and backwards china fought a powerful US to a standstill in the korean war and no matter what you couldnt disprove it. I can see why youre so angry lol

>>18588917
why do burgers talk so confidently about things they know nothing about?

>>18589073
>lived in China for years
>did everything they told me to do
>had no problems
>China is great

Yeah all totalitarian governments are swell until you disagree with them. Then you are fucked.

There are 120 million non Han Chinese in China who do not care for your feel good anecdotes in the face of state sponsored discrimination.

Jesus fucking christ the amount of social credit farmed ITT

The US could unironically pull off a nuclear first strike against China, the reason they don't go to war with China is because it would hurt the US economy allot to get rid of Chinese trade and the US government is largely beholden to the profits of multinational corporations.

The deep state wants war with China, because they are afraid China will become unstoppable if it's economy grows too much relative to the US.
So they are pushing for Facism so that they control the government more directly; not white nationalist Fascism since that would just destroy the US, but instead a civic nationalist facism.
The MIGAtards that make up most of Trump's base already do whatever the CIA tells them to, so they are instead they are focusing on winning over the centrist liberals that make up the majority of the democratic party.
They do this by getting them to hate the external enemy and by disillusioning them with democracy; Russia gate is a perfect example.

>>18588963
https://www.internations.org/go/moving-to-china/living/discrimination-and-racism-in-china

https://www.congress.gov/115/meeting/house/106963/witnesses/HHRG-115-FA16-Wstate-ChangG-20180307.pdf

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/airbnb-china-uyghur-muslim

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/people-will-rise-up-uyghur-exile-foresees-end-of-chinas-ruthless-rule/

https://savetibet.org/why-tibet/racism/

https://www.savetibet.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/JampaRacism.pdf

https://nypost.com/2018/08/21/why-dont-we-care-about-chinas-jim-crow-laws/

"In China, there is systemic discrimination against non-Han Chinese. Ethnic minorities — about 10 percent of the Chinese population — are routinely denied access to elite universities and urban job markets in the name of Han supremacy.

Under China’s internal passport system, many non-Han aren’t permitted to even look for work outside of their rural provinces. Tibetan and Uighur citizens are often barred from using Chinese hotels.

Not only does China have its own version of Jim Crow, it still has its own version of slavery. Under its prison labor system, laogai — “reform through labor” — millions of slaves churn out all manner of “Made in China” wares and even provide many of the organs for transplant surgeries in China.

Other ideas that arouse rage (“cultural appropriation,” “cultural genocide,” “occupation,” “xenophobia”) get much less attention in the Middle Kingdom than they do elsewhere. The Han are simultaneously erasing minority cultures and reducing them to kitsch for Chinese tourists.

Mongols now make up less than 20 percent of Inner Mongolia’s population. Minority languages aren’t taught in many schools in places such as Tibet"

I could spend years linking stuff. Its too easy man.

>>18588679
This. But also any serious attack on US assets on the level of a carrier group would also likely result in the deployment of orbital assets in response. The Chinese can pretend they are ready for battle all they want in order to feel macho, but they would be fools to expect any carrier group to ever be without its warden. Assuming there are no eyes in the sky and attacking them based on that assumption will be a mistake the Chinese are not allowed to make twice.
>chinese satellites would be shot down
From outside their orbit.
I would not fuck with a country that has already used orbital strikes and probably violated the space WMD nonproliferation agreements
Also, Americans burn their own peoples children alive. Why do Chinese think they will get better treatment?

>>18589258
>savetibet.org
>open democracy.net
>nypost
Yes these websites would never make up lies about China :)

>>18589045
American Carrier groups have highly classified means of mitigating hypersonic missile attacks from China.

Microwave, electromagnetic countermeasures are already being developed and like I said I acknowledge some will get through.

The problem for Chinese military is that their quiver is then empty after they blow their load. 2000 hypersonic missiles in the 1000+ mile range cost the same as a US carrier.

Congrats you sunk one carrier. Here come the other 10 beelining it for your juicy indefensible coastal targets. Hope that load was worth it Wang.

You also forget just how much firepower the rest of the battle group has outside of the main carrier. There are a BUNCH of submarines, cruisers and destroyers who aren't going to just sit idle while 6000 of their seamen get rocked by Chinese missiles.

>>18589398
So your position is that China has good relations with Tibet and Uighers and that the massive gulags and demolitions of Uigher mosques and temples are all lies by the US?

Damn. I never thought people were that gullible. Apparently China is.

>>18589184
you wanted to claim that the chinese were extremely racist in the context of north koreans and nothing you said proved that. as a korean, with a huge network of koreans that live and work in china, as well as my own personal experience, I know that the chinese are not that racist against koreans. your original point was indefensible lol

funny watching you right wing types moan about WAYCISM in china but you same guys will talk mad shit about blacks and other minorities in america lol. total hypocrites

>>18589258
>China has its own version of Jim crow
except that sounds nothing like the Jim crow that was in the united states

>>18589437
>Uighers and that the massive gulags and demolitions of Uigher mosques and temples are all lies by the US?
https://youtu.be/U3YBomwuB10
But of course my source is no good

>>18589045
There are lots of ways to counter ASBMs

>You can directly shoot them down with SM2s or SM6s from US destroyers/cruisers
>You can destroy the targeting satellites with ASAT
>You can Jam the targeting satellites sensors.
>You can search and destroy the launchers (B-2 was basically designed to do this)
>You can Jam the terminal guidance of the re-entry vehicle to reduce accuracy
>With adequate launch warning you can use manuevering to reduce missile accuracy.

That doesn't make them useless, but it's much more complicated than just missile>ship.
Regardless, the reality is those weapons are just defensive and limited to protecting Chinese assets on the mainland and the South China sea; even if they work exceptionally well, they can't stop the US navy from blockading China and China depends heavily on imported oil.

>>18587303
There’s also a long history of China and Russia being frenemies that’ll turn when it’s to their advantage. Truly this is the most entertaining of all possible timelines

>>18589258
>"In China, there is systemic discrimination against non-Han Chinese. Ethnic minorities — about 10 percent of the Chinese population — are routinely denied access to elite universities and urban job markets in the name of Han supremacy.
Am I just supposed to believe this author because?
Not even a majority of the Han population can get into elite universities
Also most Ughiers lie about their experience to gain fame on western sites
https://youtu.be/rH4gdxWEFI4
https://youtu.be/pXBIeKpUq_c

>>18589553
I'm not sure what the advantage would be in turning on each other. China is forever cockblocked behind the USA at number 2 originally while Russia is a big and strong country with no big share of the global market. It's hard to read Putin and Xi but they're covering for each other right now

>22 posts by this ID
>all defending China
Are Chinese people tone deaf?

Lots of triggered americans here

Someone's getting a lot of social credits in this thread!

>>18589621
Seethe and or cope

>>18589402
>American Carrier groups have highly classified means of mitigating hypersonic missile attacks from China.
oh sure, highly classified im sure. it might be true but whats more likely is that youre just pulling that out your ass because you dont have a better answer to disprove what I said at the moment lol

>Microwave, electromagnetic countermeasures are already being developed and like I said I acknowledge some will get through.

it just takes a single missile to render a carrier inoperable, the carrier doesnt actually have to be sunk

>The problem for Chinese military is that their quiver is then empty after they blow their load. 2000 hypersonic missiles in the 1000+ mile range cost the same as a US carrier.

completely baseless assumption. who knows how many missiles they have and how many salvoes they would allocate for a single carrier. do you really think theyre going to blow all their missiles on a single carrier? lol how stupid are you

>Congrats you sunk one carrier. Here come the other 10 beelining it for your juicy indefensible coastal targets. Hope that load was worth it wang

see above but also you seem to be unaware that the missiles cam be fired from trucks, shipping containers etc. theyre highly mobile. why are you continuing to run your mouth about something you obviously have no clue about?

>You also forget just how much firepower the rest of the battle group has outside of the main carrier. There are a BUNCH of submarines, cruisers and destroyers who aren't going to just sit idle while 6000 of their seamen get rocked by Chinese missiles.

do pray tell, what can they actually do against a mass missile attack? there isnt much they can do. and this isnt even taking into account other chinese non missile military assets as well, however we were just discussing hypersonic missiles. its clear youve already capitulated on this point thats why you have to keep bringing up a bunch of different points to try to pad your original argument

>>18589605
Chinese are shifty: the Sino-Russian shift in the commie days fairly rapidly followed the Russians help the Chinese set up their nuclear program. Coincidence? Putin knows

>>18589621
They’re a proud people with a long history and a rich culture that got absolutely nuked to oblivion by Mao. What’s left is a brainwashing program that plays upon people’s native (naive?) psychology.

>>18589526
>That doesn't make them useless, but it's much more complicated than just missile>ship.
Regardless, the reality is those weapons are just defensive and limited to protecting Chinese assets on the mainland and the South China sea; even if they work exceptionally well, they can't stop the US navy from blockading China and China depends heavily on imported oil

thats entirely the point, they are entirely defensive in nature, reread everything I wrote. an oil blockade is irrelevant to the original point which is that carriers are basically obselete now, they are not "invincible", all it takes is a single well placed missile hit to render a carrier inoperable. If a hundred missiles are launched at a carrier there are exceedingly good odds that a few will get through.

also not referring to the dongfeng missile, im referring to ground based mobile hypersonic missile systems

>>18582892
>>18582938
>being this retarded
If china is the aggressor their western debt is wiped clean and they will implode

>>18584070
lol mexicans are so fucking lazy isn't insane. they all are, the stereotype isn't a thing for no reason, ese.

you know who's not lazy? robots. expect more and more and more automation, basically in warehouses in the middle of the desert.

>>18589767
>an oil blockade is irrelevant to the original point which is that carriers are basically obselete now, they are not "invincible", all it takes is a single well placed missile hit to render a carrier inoperable.

The original point was that the US would win a sea war against China before you moved the goalposts to Mars. But if you'd like to continue on this irrelevant tangent, most honorable Xi, if all it took was one missile to render the global police power's carriers inoperable then we wouldn't be a a global police power.

>>18590420
I thought he was a shill at one point but now realize he’s just a butthurt young chinaman. Sad, many such cases.