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>>18541981
Priced in

>>18541981
>Higher dose
>Brazil medicine
Yea id like to see those dose levels

>>18541981
LMFAO

>>18541981
>brazil

it's not chloroquine you fucking retards, the one thats promising is hydroxychloroquine. imagine still pushing this narrative

>>18542272
Kek, not anymore...studies keep coming out that high does causes irregular heart beats.

>>18542291
then take the prescribed fucking dose you moron, don’t take more than necessary. that exists with any medication. are you stupid?

FUUUUCCK THE MEDICINE TRUMP SHILLED MUST [WORK|NOT WORK] BECAUSE I [LIKE|DISLIKE] TRUMP AND HE MUST BE [RIGHT|WRONG] ALL THE TIME

>>18542310
it's only "effective" against COVID in high doses and only sometimes.
the "what have you got to lose??" narrative is pushed by brainlets who never bothered to look at the numbers. worst case, you have 50/50 chance to make it out of ICU from covid. arrhythmia is almost always fatal. you tell me which you'd rather take your chances with.
this effectively kills the meme treatment, at least in doses that have anecdotal evidence of working. for all we know, those who took the med and made it alive would've done so without it to begin with.

>>18542420
>arrhythmia is almost always fatal.
Lmao no it isn't. It just means an abnormal rate and/or rhythm which could mean anything from mild transient tachycardia to a fib with rvr which is critical.

>>18542513
>all arrhythmia are equal
take your schizo pills and the malaria pills while you're at it

>>18541981
Should have read "Small CHQ study pre scripted by big pharma proves that you can't take this patent free drug and instead need a poison filled vaccine"

>>18542606
Nice strawman

>>18542231
>Brazil medicine

Brazil don't produce the medicine. India does. They produce the medicine. Same place where the US buys their medicine.

>>18541981
Why are big pharma and their MSM puppets so intent on discrediting this drug?? It's been approved since 1965, all side effects are known, and it's one of the safest drugs you can take given in the correct dosages.

Oh, I think I know why...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ag-william-barr-disappointed-by-partisan-attacks-levied-at-president-trump-says-media-on-a-jihad-against-hydroxychloroquine
Difficult to imagine media [D party] attempting to squash all hope of a cure?
Difficult to imagine media [D party] wanting public to remain in fear [re COVID-19] up until the election?
Difficult to imagine media [D party] willing to sacrifice lives in order to regain power?
ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.
Difficult truths will soon see the light of day.
Q

>>18544457
>Q cultist who believes whatever the big phrama companies want him to believe
lmao

>>18541981
fake, those retards writing the article dont know jack shit about medicine. first of all chloroquinine is not hydroxychloroquinine. secondly, the abnormal heart rates come from the antibiotic they are pairing the malaria medicine with. azithromicin has been known for years to cause irregular heart beats in a large amount of the population

>>18544434
There have been just about no credible studies on hydroxychloroquine and their interaction for COVID-19 patients. The one everyone loves to cite was done by a French doc who
>Didn't include all patients he gave the drug to (some of whom died)
>Actually fudged numbers

>>18542920
also this. bad goy, you cant take an open source generic cheap pill, you need the $1,000/pill antiviral remdesivir that we just patented last year hehehe

>>18544587
there have been a dozen credible studies that came out of china in february

>>18544581
>>18544595
People pushing remdesivir without any relevant studies (1 hospital with almost no patients as the test group with no control group lmao) should shut the fuck up as well I would agree there

>>18544457
Kek, fox and CNN are basically the national inquirer.

>>18544434
>an infusion drug
>per pill
Does MD stand for Mentally Delayed?

>>18544607
>that came out of china
lol

>brazillians using chloroquine instead of hydroxchloroquine
>sees severe side effects
lmao why do retards like the media and brazil keep mixing up the two

>>18542606
You made the mistake of generalizing on a Somoan cock comparing forum where the users jump on any chance to feel superior to others.

>>18541981
>>18542291
>>18542420
>>18544587
You push this shit for no other reason than to defy President Trump.

>>18544715
>than to defy President Trump.
How about that retard stops trying to jump on every opportunity to pump the market with no data?

>>18544607
>china
>credible

>>18544643
i know but in this case they were legit since the studies were pulled from publishment and the doctors disappeared while china went around buying up all the hydroxychloroquinine around the world

>>18544735
its credible because see above. keep in mind not everyone in china is a communist party supporter. many doctors were trained in america or the west and lived here for a time and have western values. they dissent and get killed in china. so if they are saying something and china is silencing them you can usually be sure its real

>>18544715
There would be nothing to 'defy' if the fucker wasn't pushing snake oil from a non-peer reviewed study just so he can restore faith in the stock market and give false hope to the public. If you want to believe in what he says blindly, then please go join those protests and other large groupings in defiance.

>>18544715
sounds like you do the opposite. You push for things that are in his favor regardless of why.
C
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>>18544642
Most doctors today graduate from medical schools that operate as revolving doors. Play the game, 4 years later you have a piece of paper that says you are a doctor. Sad really, how higher education has changed

>>18544434

While I'm obviously long Gilead because I know how the world works, the fact is that plaquenil/zithromax is probably just as effective a treatment.

The only problem is a course of treatment is about $7 per patient, so Big Pharma and its massive ad spend is going to ensure its media whores have nothing good to say about it.

>>18544819
>muh peer review
Absolute brainlet

>>18544858
You aren't seriously suggesting that peer reviewal is somehow a negative, are you? You aren't possibly suggesting that one person's study, with no contrasting information or research checked by others, is in any way better than one that has been backed by several doctors, are you?

>>18544819

lmao I have never seen people so desperate to believe bad news as the "muh peer review" crowd. Doctors all over the world are having success treating patients with a combo of two cheap generic drugs, this would be the best news ever but drumpf brought it up so now it can't be possible

>>18544909
>Doctors all over the world are having success treating patients with a combo of two cheap generic drugs

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-17/malaria-drugs-fails-to-help-coronavirus-patients-in-controlled-studies
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v3
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04328272
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-what-do-the-clinical-trials-tell-us/

Please show me where it suggests that "all over the world" there is success with Hydroxychloroquine. Please. Just one suggestion that this is the miracle cure you idiots are touting it to be.

>>18544715
President Pumps only goal is to keep this corpse economy propped up until his election. In order to get to that end he has lied daily about the state of things along with spouting fake cures like hydroxychloroquine.

>>18541981
I like Ballsonaro and all but I'm gonna need a 1st world opinion on that dawg.

>>18544434

>>18542420
Lol your lies don't work here retard.

>>18541981
I know you're joking, but I still want to string your disingenuous ass up and gut you while you hang.

>>18544726
Yes, someone please stop my leader from trying to make me rich. You shills really need some better material. Although I guess if this is the best you got that is pretty fucking hilarious.

>>18544948
>I saw a headline and now I'm smart!

You didn't read any of those papers, did you?

>https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060699v1.full.pdf
>No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients
hospitalised for COVID-19 infection and requiring oxygen:

Drug does not cure end-stage terminal patients therefore it is useless lmao

>https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060558v1.full.pdf
>adding hydroxychloroquine to the current standard-of-care in patients with
COVID-19 does not increase virus response but accelerate the alleviation of clinical symptoms, possibly through anti-inflammatory properties and recovery of lymphopenia. Clinicians might consider hydroxychloroquine treatment in symptomatic patients with elevated CRP and/or lymphopenia because hydroxychloroquine might prevent disease progression, particularly in patients at higher risk.

Aka it doesn't reduce viral load but it DOES alleviate symptoms, aka it's a treatment

>https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v2.full.pdf
>Chloroquine diphosphate
>Chloroquine diphosphate
> The limited sample size recruited so far does not allow to show any benefit regarding treatment efficacy
>CHLOROQUINE DIPHOSPHATE

lmao they gave a dozen people megadoses OF A DIFFERENT COMPOUND to test toxicity

See, I literally have a financial interest in remdesivir becoming the go-to treatment but I'm also not a retard.

>>18545016
Can’t believe he insulted the presidenterino!!!!!!!

>>18545037
>Drug does not cure end-stage terminal patients therefore it is useless lmao
So is your insinuation that this will be a viable cure for only patients who are already healthy and show zero symptoms? Because there is no room to test for those cases, nor is there any reason to create a drug for them. A vaccine may be helpful, but it does not work as a preventative measure.
>Aka it doesn't reduce viral load but it DOES alleviate symptoms, aka it's a treatment
So no different than any of the other treatments that are being provided at pretty much every hospital in the US? That is not a cure, retard. All that does is alleviate potential future symptoms.


>lmao they gave a dozen people megadoses OF A DIFFERENT COMPOUND to test toxicity

>Before the CloroCovid-19 trial began, to our knowledge, there were no published reports of
robust clinical studies on the safety and/or efficacy of chloroquine (CQ) and/or
hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for the treatment of COVID-19 during the recent 2020 pandemic.
We searched PubMed and also MedRxiv.org (pre-print server for health sciences, without
peer review), without any language restrictions and including Chinese publications, for
studies published between Dec 2019 and April 5, 2020, using the search terms ‘COVID-19,
coronavirus, SARS-Cov-2’. We found three non-randomized studies with limited sample
sizes in which (1) HCQ use led to a decrease in SARS-Cov-2 detected in respiratory
secretions five days after treatment, together with azithromycin (France, 36 patients); (2)
HCQ use shortened time to clinical recovery (China, 62 patients); and (3) CQ was superior to
control treatment in inhibiting the exacerbation of pneumonia, improving lung imaging
findings, and promoting virus-negative conversion and shortening the disease course (China,
100 patients). We found no published studies comparing different dosages of CQ/HCQ and
their thorough safety assessment

There is NOTHING TO SUGGEST THE EFFICACY OF YOUR SNAKE OIL DRUG.

>>18544948
>Just one suggestion that this is the miracle cure you idiots are touting it to be.

Further, this I love. Nobody has ever suggested plaquenil/zithromax as a "miracle cure." It's an effective and cheap treatment. Only deranged pseuds such as yourself, screaming and ranting against a nonexistent strawman, even use the phrase.

Realize that headline editors are your enemies, that major pharmaceutical companies are shitting themselves at the idea that the potentially most lucrative health event in history might be getting fucked by a couple of cheap generic drugs, that said companies' advertisements pay all the bills at every media organization on this continent, that it's an election year and the opposition party is praying for mass graves in swing states, and you'll realize why you've been had on the hydrochloroquine issue.

And, again, I fully expect to realize a six-figure capital gain from Gilead alone based on understanding how the world works. Those guys lobby and buy advertisements, and retards like you swallow it whole.

>>18545083
>So is your insinuation that this will be a viable cure for only patients who are already healthy and show zero symptoms? Because there is no room to test for those cases, nor is there any reason to create a drug for them.

No, retard, it's that the world is not black and white, and patients who are unlikely to survive with any treatment not being saved by a treatment does not invalidate the treatment.

>A vaccine may be helpful, but it does not work as a preventative measure.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's a coronavirus, retard, where's the vaccine for the common cold?

>There is NOTHING TO SUGGEST THE EFFICACY OF YOUR SNAKE OIL DRUG.

Well, except for doctors testifying to the efficacy of it in literally thousands of cases, you absolute fool

>snake oil drug
>two generics that can be produced by literally anybody for absolutely nothing
>I'm now massively invested in Gilead, the company making the extremely expensive alternative

I love that there are people like you. You're going to make me even richer than I already am, shrieking and begging to keep the scary "snake oil" generic drugs away from you, demanding that sweet sweet remdesivir at $3000 an infusion.

I bet you're worried about importing dangerous Canadian prescription drugs too.

>>18545087
I have quite literally zero stake in the success or lack thereof of this drug. If it actually happens to be a phenomenal treatment substitute to contemporary drugs already being used in hospitals, that's fantastic, but it also will not get rid of this virus. It MAY increase the potential survival rate, and that would be fantastic, but there needs to be an actual study and review of said drug. If it turns out that these isolated cases were going to result in healthy bodies anyways, the efficacy of this drug comes into question. If it turns out that mass-distribution leads to tons more people dying than it saves, then it becomes a situation where the cure is worse than the symptoms. My work almost entirely involves interaction with financiers and analysts, all of which are in their 60's and older. The second these guys start kicking the bucket is the second I lose a job. I have everything to gain from Hydroxychloroquine being a phenomenal savior drug, but I do not want people to buy into false hope and dying en masse, because that will mean the end of my career.

I really need to wonder what kind of fiscal incentive you have in this drug to be so passionately defending it without anything to possibly back your defense.

>>18545137
The common folks caused by different viruses you inbred magatard

>>18545137
>Well, except for doctors testifying to the efficacy of it in literally thousands of cases, you absolute fool
This is my last post before I evacuate this mess of a thread, but I'm just going to remind you that you have yet to post a single link, case study, review, or anything else to back any of your claims. I listed four almost immediately, which you made snide remarks attempting to "discredit". You have provided zero. Please factor this into the next time you shill for snake oil, knowing full well you are talking completely out of your ass.

>>18545150
>>18545169
>I really need to wonder what kind of fiscal incentive you have in this drug to be so passionately defending it without anything to possibly back your defense.

Nobody has any fiscal incentive in the drug, it's generic. Nobody is going to make any money off it. That's the thing.

Companies I invest in are spending a whole lot of money to shit all over the generic drugs, because they'd quite like a trillion dollars from world governments for their boutique antivirals. Which is going to make me rich, and would make you rich if you thought about it

>hey there's a huge demand for a cure
>and incredibly rich and powerful companies with huge ad spends and lobbyists are going to cook up "cures"
>and then governments are going to give them blank checks to make billions of doses

>Please factor this into the next time you shill for snake oil,

My God, you're stupid

>generic drug
>patents long expired
>can be made by anyone
>snake oil

Retard, stay poor. Nobody will ever make a dime off generic drugs. Go be an aspirin baron, genius!

These drugs are directly opposite to my financial interest. But I'm not a retard like you, so I recognize they work.

I'm still going to get rich off remdesivir.

>>18541981
>>18542420
>>18544587
pure FUDding from pharma jews

>>18543494
No shit you fucking faggot, he was referring to the dosage that was administered to the patients.

>>18544434
BAD GOY BAD BAD

>>18544587
Liberals will kill their own country just to spite a president, when the drug is known to be effectively harmless and has miraculous results with curing COVID-19 when administered early. If you actually hold this mindset, jump off a fucking cliff

>>18544948
>>18544954

>ITT: seething libtards desperate to make Trump look bad by strawmanning words he didnt say and arguing against them

>>18544909
>Doctors all over the world are having success treating patients with a combo of two cheap generic drugs
No they aren't. Stop lying. Those drugs are stupidly cheap and available yet the only evidence it works is anecdotal or statistically insignificant.

>>18545641
>words he didnt say
>"Hydroxychloroquine. Just take it, what do you have to lose?" - Donald Trump

>>18545591
>and has miraculous results with curing COVID-19 when administered early.
Please cite the studies. Just blanket suggesting people take drugs on hope is retarded and medically irresponsible no matter how 'safe' the drug is

>>18545591
What’s it like to be so stupid? Are you allowed to drive?

>higher dose
>shit happens
wow amazing

>>18541981
This is one of the oldest and safest antivirals out there. Imagine actually believing anything msm has to say. Make sure to get ur vaccination goy

>>18545717
>"Hydroxychloroquine. Just take it, what do you have to lose?" - Donald Trump
>"If you're really sick, try this drug that seems to work and has been used and understood for decades, as an alternative to choking to death on your own necrotizing lung tissue"

#IMPEACH

>>18545705
>one NY doctor alone has treated 500 patients successfully using plaquenil/zithromax

I mean, at a certain point you just have to recognize you're in denial.

And this is coming from someone who, since I'm not a retard, bought a really large amount of Gilead stock, because governments are going to write blank checks to them for remdesivir. Because Gilead is going to spend a fuckton on lobbyists and "journalists" to shit on the generics.

>>18545792
>as an alternative to choking to death on your own necrotizing lung tissue
>necrotizing lung tissue
This is most definitely not something Trump has ever said. His speaking style is loud and simple words which is easier to get his ideas across to the general populous

>>18545838

Yes, they mean exactly the same thing. If you're dying of a disease and there's a potential treatment, what do you have to lose?

>>18545872

Fucking anything's a 'potential treatment.' The man simply shouldn't be shilling drugs to the general populous (who aren't going to be the ones prescribing the drugs or making the medical decision on its use) to try and pump up the stock market and give unrealistic hope that the end of the virus is soon. How is this not blatantly obvious to people?

>>18545902
>How is this not blatantly obvious to people?

Because the guy, while covering positive developments during a grim time, mentioned reports that other countries were apparently having success with a treatment.

>DRUMPF SAYS FISH TANK CLEANER IS MIRACLE CURE

is nonsense, caused by the obvious nexus of big pharmaceutical companies salivating at blank checks for custom antivirals and the opposition party rooting for this to be as bad as possible cuz it's an election year, leading to hilariously dishonest coverage of what is apparently a very very cheap and at least somewhat effective treatment.

As someone who's now heavily invested in makers of boutique antivirals, it's directly against my financial interest for Plaquenil to be an effective treatment. But the coverage of this whole "issue" has been just hilariously awful

>how dare a President, during a scary crisis, be pointing out causes for optimism!
>we have SO MUCH MORE to fear than fear itself!

>>18545717
if you are dying retard and literally cant breathe, what do you have to lose? Trump passed right to try, which lets terminally ill people try new drugs/treatments that havent been FDA approved yet. how fucking stupid are you

>TRUMPS FAULT NEW YORK IS INFECTED AGHHHH IMPEACH DRUMPF WE CANT LET HIM GET THE NUCLEAR CODES #BELIEVEALL WOMEN (UNLESS ITS A DEMOCRAT RAPIST LIKE VA LT GOV JUSTIN FAIRFAX OR JOE BIDEN OR BILL CLINTON OR HILLARY SUPPORTER HARVEY WEINSTEIN)

>>18546034
>>TRUMPS FAULT NEW YORK IS INFECTED AGHHHH IMPEACH DRUMPF
Who said that? Cuomo was hilariously inept and delayed closure of New York when he should have, that doesn't mean Trump isn't a retard too and downplayed shit he shouldn't have

>>18546067
what exactly has he downplayed you imbecile? hes the only one thats been taking this shit seriously from the start. in fact its the democrats and leftists who made fun of him, called him racist, said he is a liar for taking coronavirus so seriously

>>18546067
The same false information libs and WHO gave the administration?
>>18545733
>>18545717
My point stands, all anecdotal evidence points to it working. MSM is trying to sink this country by bringing Trump down. Dilate

>>18543494
Brazil does produce the medicine anon. Brazil ignores most medicine parents to produce their own internally.

>>18546100
>hes the only one thats been taking this shit seriously from the start.

Yeah him talking about how we're going to be going down to zero soon from the 15 cases we had, not wanting to take people off of a cruise ship because 'it would make the numbers go up,' telling his supporters at a rally he's hoping everything just goes away in the spring like a the regular flu. Definitely always took it seriously

>>18546120
>Dilate

Does your entire mind run on tired memes? Christ people at least used to put in effort into being creative back in the day

>>18546067
>who said that

>>18546169
Wait where does that say they're gonna say Trump is directly responsible for New York? There's a bunch of other more accurate shit they could ding him on.

>>18546192
these propagandists dont care, they make up lies for NPCs like >>18546148
to gobble up

>>18546192
>TRUMP IS INFECTING NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!! ORANGEMAN BAD!

>>18546208
You claim to have proof, but admit you don't actually have any when pressed about it.

>>18541981
Maybe instead of taking Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine or whatever, you should just stop the 5G. Just saying.

>>18546234
>>18546232
brainlets believe what brainlets believe.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-state/trump-letting-new-yorkers-die-covid-19-because-its-democratic.html

>>18544715
>You push this shit for no other reason than to defy President Trump.
Literally, unironically brainwashed.
At this point you seem convinced that reality itself is a conspiracy against Donald Trump.

What the fuck is this thread, so much human brainpower going to waste, and I am a part of it

>>18542513
Lmao
>here take this medicine itll cure you
>oh but it might kill you or give you lifelong health issues compared to what it'll cure

>>18546616
>their is zero (0) brainpower going to waster in this thread because there is no brainpower in this thread sans mine

>>18546100
>one day soon it will just be gone, it will be like a miracle

>>18544457
>Fox
Really?