/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18493272
I buy my kid a factory sealed box of that shit every month for his allowance. He informs me that he's making money. I'm skeptical but it's not my job to shit on his parade.

I used to invest in pogs, I'm guessing your stash will go the same way they did.

>>18493272
I've approx 20K tied in mtg cards, everything crashed ultra hard since last year because jotc is full of sjw retards who can't stop doing horse shit every single day of the year. Worst kike company ever, they are crashing the mtg plane with no survivors while they literally own the FED equivalent of TCGs. Even a bunch of heroinoman nigresses whores in a crackhouse in Detroit during a tsunami while high on acid would manage the game better than the current soikikes in charge.

>>18493272
I have a coworker who is obsessed with sports cards. He buys all kinds of baseball, basketball, and football player card with every paycheck. He swears they are worth 250k all together, but imho ease of liquidity is a major issue.


With gold and silver it wouldnt take only a day to convert it to cash. With cards you need a buyer who actually understands the value of the card, AND is willing to pay for it.

I got a few pokey man cards that ive pulled mostly from the newer sets, I really enjoyed the tag team series they have had lately also I really liked the hidden fates set.

>>18493272
>no shadowless
>no 1st edition
Literally worth fuckall
>>18493316
You must be talking about the newer ones? Cause factory sealed boxes of the OG ones are pricey

>>18493366
>jotc

Jews Of The Coast?

>>18493272

I am investing all sorts of vintage card games. But I will not reveal what I am investing in until I am happy with my position.

>>18493409
I don't know what he gets. It costs $120 per box shipped average. He finds a few really nice cards but nothing worth more than the box costs.

I've encouraged him to start selling his extras on ebay but apparently that's too much work.

>>18493458
ok rudy

>>18493479

Don't worry, I will be shilling them on /biz/ when I am ready :p.

>>18493458
>Jews Of The Coast?

>>18493479

I made the mistake of shilling pokemon booster boxes here before I got my full position and only helped hasten the price rise.

>>18493458
>Jews Of The Coast?
yep

>>18493487
Lmao, is that community Communist by any chance?

If you plan to make money on magic cards, there are practically one of two ways to do it
>1: have deep understanding of game, follow formats and metas, read articles, spend a large amount of time on the game
>2: buy wrapped booster boxes and wait 5 years until they double in value
Don't go broke buying singles, buy boxes like a true chad

>>18493494
sealed booster boxes are such a waste of money when it comes to pokemon. better off stocking up on elite trainer boxes.

>>18493527

I am already more than 2x on my base unlimited booster boxes.. At the time when I was buying you could get tonnes of 1st edition fossil and team rocket booster boxes for £1000 a piece, now they are what? More than triple? I am remember being aware that they were a no-brainer investment but still didn't buy as many as I would have liked to....... Now I am more focused on hidden gems in the vintage card world that people haven't picked up on.. I still wouldn't mind picking up a few extra Pokemon boxes if possible. Perhaps if I get crypto rich.

>>18493272
>no charizard

I had 4 before I turned 13. Still to this day have them then was btfo'd when i realized my entire collection was pointless without the first edition stamp

>>18493606
when I was in high school I pulled a based set charizard sold it to some kid for a 150 dollars, we went to a posh private school full of rich cunts. I brought a pair of DC skate shoes with it.

>>18493474
you need to teach your son what it feels like to fail hard repeatedly

>>18493581
>Now I am more focused on hidden gems in the vintage card world that people haven't picked up on.
Garbage Pail Kids aren't going to hold their value, anon.

>>18493516
premade commander decks make a ton of money too. plebs buy them at huge markup

My dad says card games used to be with like a bunch of little sheets? Not just icons?

>>18493636

Don't worry, I can spot quality.

>>18493622
I didnt know anything about the cards just had the games then switched schools and everyone was batshit over the cards because they were too poor for the games I guess. So i made my parents stop at toys r us the next day and on the first pack I opened was a charizard. then i scammed other kids for 3 more lol. definitely got some decent offers for all of them back then, more than what theyre worth now.

>>18493631
>you need to teach your son what it feels like to fail hard repeatedly
we all fail repeatedly, those that feel anything about that rarely succeed.

>>18493652
it's not the quality that's the issue. I'm fairly certain all of these things are fads and they age pretty badly once the generation that first collected them winds up in a home for the elderly.

I could be wrong. But right now I have my grandparent's stamp collection sitting in my office. It takes up several boxes and was worth tens of thousands of dollars back in the 80's. Worthless now though. Ebay killed the fad.

>>18493272
I used to sell yugioh cards. 5 years ago until i got into crypto in 2016. One of the old cards i had was Chaos emperor dragon envoy of the end. i sold it for 80 eur. if i see the prices now my heart aches. How come prices rise up? How does the tcg market work? Should you research the cards in new booster boxes etc. that are staples in tournament decks?

>>18493722

The two main card games I am focused on I feel have some potential as the themes will be of cultural interest into the future.. In some ways I see more fundamental strength than Magic The Gathering... I have also invested in one card game which is a bit more childish that I kind of dislike, but the story has some cultural weight and it's produced by a well known company.

>>18493766
Good luck then.

I've been selling antique postcards on ebay. The average sale is $1 but my ancestors collected about 20,000 of them. A handful of them go for more than $50 each and a larger fraction sell for around $10, but even if I only get a buck I'm very slowly accumulating something out of my grandparent's crap.

but just like stamps and bottles I expect the rush to collect antique postcards is also a fad. The market may very well disappear before I get all this shit sold.

>>18493722
You're rewarding your son to suck ass, he doesn't even know he's failing

>>18493784

I have seen a few old Chinese post cards go for around 10k in case you have any. The price varies of course.

>>18493799
It's not failure if you enjoy what you're doing.

>>18493722
>they age pretty badly once the generation that first collected them winds up in a home for the elderly.
I can see pic related appealing to multiple generations

>>18493272
$89,000 to paper mache paste in 1 flood.

>>18493801
I don't research any of them, I just post them at auction on ebay and see what they sell for. Sometimes I'm surprised but usually not. I doubt there's anything amazing in the collection.

I'm retired though, it's just something I do to fill some time and clean out the closets. I actually make decent money selling coins and tokens, but that's also just a hobby.

>>18493814
kek

ok that might be worth something

>>18493813
oh lord your poor son

>>18493731
Well CED-EotE had an errata that made it come off the ban list in the last few years and a competitive deck used to run it like a year ago called Thunder Dragon. That can be said about any card from YGO though. The ban list and meta are always making old cards shoot up in price. Like 2 years ago, one of my old cards went from like $2 to $34 and then eventually became worth $70 because it was used in meta decks. I think now it's gone back down because the meta shifted again. That's why a lot of Pokemon and MTG old cards hold their value whereas YGO's older stuff is only worth stuff when it's graded.

>>18493908
the last thing a wealthy dad wants to teach his kids is that everything has to be a profitable transaction. They get enough of that growing up in a house where businesses are being run.

>>18493926
The thing is i know the yugioh game and i am able to understand meta. And able to do some research on cards that might be potential to rise in price.

But for pokemon and MTG i dont have a clue where to start. I did buy some pokemon booster boxes and sold some cards with profit that was pure speculation. i sold them without even knowing how to play the game, what the card does etc.

I never tried to buy MTG products because i have zero affiliation with it and its pure unknown territory. For pokemon i have a little.

Should i start understanding the game first of MTG and pokemon? And afterwards understand the cards and meta?

Because i like to get back into tcg market, but for now i only can for yugioh.

>>18493961
How will you teach him that eventually he will have to provide the means for his own enjoyment? I don't mean in the abstract, I mean in his soul where he will feel the desperate need to run his own show?

>>18494206
I'm already teaching him how to run one of my businesses. Not because I want him to run it when he's old enough but because I want him to know how to start and operate one of his own.

If you're talking in a more vague, existential sense, I can't teach him how to find happiness. Everyone has to figure that out on their own. Money is just a method of opening doors.

I have 5-6k in several MtG modern decks. At this point it's no longer an investment, I just keep them for the sentimental value of the memories of the time I spent going from casual to competitive with my elementary school friends, and the friends I made in uni playing that shit. The game is trash now, and basically to stay competitive you have to accept that a lot of your money is going to the trash can every single year that passes.
However, the mtg fuck up has taught me a priceless lesson: never, ever, EVER, put your money into a jew owned business. As >>18493366 said, fuck Hasbro (aka hassenfeld brothers lmfao) for crashing the mtg plane and turning the game into a pozzed piece of shit lore full of niggers and trannies while simultaneously crashing the prices of most viable cards.
As a friendly reminder:
>fuck jews
>seriously, fuck jews
>fuck niggers
>fuck faggots
>fuck gypsies
>fuck jannies

>>18493316
You make money by scamming other kids. Tell them some holographic card is super rare and get them to pay $30 for it.

>>18494365
I haven’t followed mtg in awhile, how fucked up is the lore / power creep now?

>>18493272
Fucking kek I had a full complete book of pokemon cards and my mum sold them all for like £20 after I moved out like 4 years ago

That's just the rares >1€ I have with me here. Amount invested is inaccurate because I can't be assed to look up my card market history and only adjusted it for the dual lands I own, but I've definitely made a solid profit over the years.

>>18493272
>Pokemon over MTG

Never gonna make it. The market for MTG is so much better.

>>18493516
I use the:

Buy collections and flip singles model. Has made me a lot more money than crypto.

>>18494679
It's so fucked vintage and legacy are now rotating formats. mtgtop8 vintage decks in 2019 played 20+ 2019 cards in average.
We are to a point where a 8/8 for 2 would be deemed too weak for today's standard.
And as other anon said : arts are chokefull of talmudic kikery & satanic agenda, it's niggers and trannies everywhere. The only white guys depicted are on removals (as the victims of said removals, obviously). They print (((collector))) sets on a weekly basis, they also print and sell singles to shortcut the LGSs and the secondary market. They privatized the judge program, they ousted Terese fucking Nielsen because she liked a tweet from alex jones in 2014. The spoiler season for the last set just ended, they banned a card 5mn after spoiling it, the main mechanic of the set was so confusing and retarded they had to take a week to figure out what it was doing because differents employees from jotc gave differents versions of what it was doing, pic related.
I could go on for days, every single decision (((they))) make is the worst you could imagine.

>>18495476
This is sadly true, but it doesnt matter I only play EDH for fun now and sell cards for extra dosh. Eventually they'll clean house after sales start to really take a hit. You know ((((they)))) can't afford to lose that much money.

>>18495500
Yeah that's the way to go, as long as your playgroup isn't full of pozzed fagbois trying to social contract your cards deemed 'problematic".
The sales will surely take a big hit this year, i expect a lot of LGS to go bankrupt after coronachan fuck off. And without a distribution network it will make it harder for the distributors to unload the insane amount of boxes they are holding and no LGS can afford anymore because the pace is insane.
And my fear is instead of packpedaling, fire half their employees and go back to a sane economic model, they go all in and furiously abuse their reprint equity (or what is left of it) to please hasbro's shareholders.
Then once the player base have been milked a very last time they dump the company and try to sell it to another jewish mogul, maybe disney.

>>18495476
>they ousted Terese fucking Nielsen because she liked a tweet from alex jones in 2014.

Just looked into this, how retarded...

Just look at the retarded tranny cancer that was part of the mob of having her fired https://twitter.com/AllyEncampment/status/1029538812437950465

She was a MTG artist since 1996.

>>18495593
I don't think poppa hasbro would allow them to run their cash cow into the ground. They have been very conservative with reprint equity so I suspect they'll do another ultimate masters esque product during this downtrend. Everyone is fearful of the future but I hope this makes hasbro clean slate at WOTC and bring in people who know what their actual players fucking want.

>>18495706
>Just look at the retarded tranny cancer that was part of the mob of having her fired https://twitter.com/AllyEncampment/status/1029538812437950465

These people got this artist fired, for being against sjw stuff.


I can't wait for the culture to rebound.. I can't believe these toxic retards have had the upper hand.

>>18495706
That's not the only retarded shit.

>Some dude was banned from tournament play for posing beside fatties buttcracks for memes.
>Travis Woo was banned for like 3 years because he created a shitposting page that eventually posted problematic memes, HE DIDN'T EVEN POST THEM HIMSELF.
>The art is so digital and shit for the most part
-Secret lair direct singles selling even though hehe xD we don't recognize the second market

It's so pathetic.

you can't deal with the counterfeit issue, and the market has already reached the point where that is becoming commercially viable

>>18495757

I would say just don't buy the modern stuff... I never understood why Rudy is always buying the modern stuff. Vintage is a solid investment that is not corrupted by the sjw cancer of the 2010's.

>>18495725
>hasbro is some kind of manchild federal reserve that gives two shits about their pedophile fanbase's "equity concerns". lmao. I'm gonna get a job at hasbro just to reprint power 9 sets for 29.99

>>18495767
I still need to buy some of the modern stuff to play EDH but it's only singles. I thought the mystery boxes were a genius idea and actually bought a few boxes. But overall yeah Modern magic is garbage.

>>18495776
They don't care about the fanbases equity, but they know reprints sell sets so they withhold good shit for market downtrends or when they need to make big bucks.

>>18495787

If you want them to play that is one thing, but I would think Vintage is always the best investment.

The game itself has been yugioh tier ever since they removed the ability to put damage on the stack. It's for mid tier IQ reddittors at the absolute best now.

>>18493316
Make sure he reports those taxes anon

>>18495767
>I never understood why Rudy is always buying the modern stuff.
Because he have an army of patreon cucks willing to purchase anything coming out of their guru. So he dump a big fat shit on their mouth on a daily, and they ask for more kek.

>>18495824
It have been brainlet-tier the minute they started to do asymmetrical stax/taxes cards. Of course reddit would love it.

>>18495808
Yeah vintage overall is a better investment. The mystery booster boxes being the first set to reuse the old border and being a chaos draft will age very well though IMO.

There's a guy named Tan, he's a Viết in America. His Pokémon collections are rare and apparently worth 2.6 million. Mainly hard to find single pop and sealed booster packs

Any other chads in here or are you all fat pokemon incels ?

>>18496304
The latter

>>18493272
Woah sick ID bro.

>>18496304
>Omg white chad throwing a ball at Jamal!!!!

Guess we found the faggot

>>18493272
Some day all this old vidya and tech will be worth something.

>>18493474
>but apparently that's too much work.
time to start beating your lazy shit of a son

>>18493366
How much have rare cards like Black Lotus crashed?

>>18498667
Why?

>>18493272
I have Exodia and the god cards.
worth a grand total of like 25 bucks.
ishouldhaveplayedmagic

>>18499678
yu-gi-ohoooooooooooooooooooooo

>>18499678
I have foil 1st editon man eater bugs from LoB and a foil 1st edtion of toon world, and those are worth like a decent amount for yugioh cards.

>>18496304
Yup I've got a graded 10 Lebron James rookie promo card from Upper Deck, tons of 70's cards. Haven't gone through and priced them in a decade though.

>>18498667
thats not even nintendo. dont fucking bother.

Large mtg collection, baseball / basketball cards. Lots of signed golf cards, Arnold Palmer DNA for example.

How do I get into buying undervalued, old mtg cards? Should I scalp reserved list stuff?

>>18495450
i used to do this but its near impossible now without a storefront. everybody has internet and ebay to look up values and sell themselves

>>18493474
That is too much work you fucking boomer. Do you even have any idea how long just a regular LGS sits on their own shitty commons they bulk open and sell for literal pennies? Better to just hold onto them because they provide entertainment and nostalgia in the end.

YES.
I was about to make thread for this. I'm storaging value on comics. By today prices I've already 3X my original inversion. If the industry goes belly up, as it seems it will, I think it could go 10X.
I really don't wanna deal with cards since I know next to nothing about them. But what is another good investment for niche hobbies? Wrapped sealed vidya? Wrap sealed consoles? Japanese vynil toys? C'mon /biz/... help an anon out.

>>18501125
>Wrapped sealed vidya?
Video games are incredibly collectible.

>>18501142
All of them or only nintendo? I don't play video games anymore, so keeping them sealed for a couple of years is not a problem for me.

>>18501237
Any old as hell games. playstation, dremcast, nintendo, any thing. I have collected as many old consoles as possible. opened or not, they are worth money.

>>18500421
are there still brick and mortar game stores? lol

I watch ebay, I know about how long a common card would sit there. But that just means once you've done the work of listing them it's almost passive income. It's just going to sit there for months or years until it sells, but you'll have so many listed you're going to make sales.

I don't care if he wants to keep them though. That's fine.

>>18493814
If its an OG print with the original art and all cards intact, thats probably worth money. It's been reprinted with shitty art and I wouldn't be surprised if certain cards like Terrorist Nuke and the Clinton ones got axed.

>>18502728

Didn't know that it got a reprint.

I wish I could enjoy Pokemon like I used to but honestly the games peaked at Gen 4 and 5 and it's been a steep downhill from there.

>>18503759
Yup. Black and white 2 was the last good pokemon game. PWT was pure fucking kino.

I had a Pokemon card collection that today would be worth upwards of 30k. My dumb ass mom threw them away when they moved and I was deployed. Came home to that and I haven't been close with my mom since

>>18504049
The last official game I played was Sun and Moon but after USUM came out I just got sick of Nintendo's laziness and dropped the series for good
Insurgence has been really refreshing though, and I think I'll try Omicron afterwards too

>>18493474
>$120 per box shipped average.

wew lad

>>18504230
>Nintendo's
It isnt nintendo that is being lazy, it is completely game freaks laziness. Nintendo just wants gamefreak to make the money.

>>18504265
Either way, each Pokemon game that comes out somehow has less and less substance, it's like they don't want to bother giving the story direction anymore.

what is the effect of corona on the tcg market? Wouldnt the prices of cards etc. go down since most of the tournaments cancelled and cardshops are closed?

>>18504537
Why would game freak care, they make millions of dollars using the same assets they and engine they made for pokemon stadium back on the n64. There isnt anything special or neccesary that they have to do anymore. What ever they make gets completely eaten up by kids and the loyal faggots.

>>18493272
You fools think you're so smart and understand assets. It's in the name, faggots. I've got safe ass-ets. Don't come crying to me once you can't feed your family.

>>18504234
yeah. I'm not sure what he's buying. He started off with newer boxes at $99 but now I think he's getting somewhat older ones.

we used to just buy individual cards he wanted but a few years back the Chinese started flooding ebay with counterfeits so we stopped.

>>18502118
>are there still brick and mortar game stores? lol
it's nice that you're buying shit for your kid but if you don't learn anything about their interests and you don't participate ever, it's just parenting with your cash

>>18504712
I play pokemon with him a couple times a week for a few hours. I usually kick his ass with a deck full of Audinos.

we also play Zelda and Smash bros on his Switch. Other than that I take him hiking and camping. We collect rocks and climb 14ers. I like him a lot. He's my baby, my youngest. And I have a lot of time to spend with him since my older kids are moved out and I'm retired.

not saying he's not going to be as fucked up as any kid, but I don't just buy him stuff.

>>18493272
Yugioh/Pokemon/Magic have experienced a renissance in the last several years. As soon as they drop in popularity then the value of all the cards will tank. The only cards that will be worth something 50 years down the line are the first edition booster pack cards graded from the first few sets with a perfect 10 on PSA or a 9.5 with Beckett.

>>18502728
>If its an OG print with the original art and all cards intact, thats probably worth money
Hmm, really? I have an original INWO box from back when I was in college, I'll have to dig it out.