/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18362664
Romans were Engineers you literal retard

>>18362664
I know hard working engineers. And lazy entitled ones. The product worked with, People doing the work and time given all impact on finished quality. Engineers just do numbers and hope everything adds up at the end.

Did Romans have to deal with Semi's and automobiles in general? No? Of course not you fucking plebeian.

>>18362684
>>18362664
I mean did they master engineering or were they just lucky?

>>18362664
Roman roads would probably get pretty fucked up if they had cars driving over them 24/7

>>18362664
Paving roads with asphalt is exponentially faster and more efficient that paving roads with tons of stones.

>>18362664
>What exactly do engineers do?
pic related

>>18362664
THANKS, UNIONIZED WORKERS!

>>18362664
>shows the best roman roads
>shows the worst modern roads

Yeah dude they were so far ahead. They also shit into rivers.

>>18362702
>did they master engineering
yes.
that shit doesn't happen by accident

>>18362664
>old thing good, new thing bad
Boomer humor is so boring.

>>18362734
fuck you zoomer millenials

>>18362730
Commies literally think everything successful happens by luck or accident.

>>18362664
Cobble roads are great and reliable...

...for a world before automobiles.

Those roads were designed for horses and carriages. With modern cars and trucks on them those Roman roads would be destroyed in 3 months.

Also check these dubs OP

>>18362716
Shitting into oceans is an improvement!

>>18362664
>Survivalship bias
>Differential loading

>>18362758
Go to /his/ and talk to actual Communists. 95% of them believe that all rich/upper middle class people are there because they were born into wealth.

They can't comprehend that sometimes people that work hard/smart succeed. They can't understand because they are all sour grape NEETs that did nothing but complain about Capitalism online for 10+ years in a basement.

>>18362709
kek. OP is a dumbass beyond measure.

>>18362791
What do communists think of the middle class?

>>18362791
So how come you're not rich?

>>18362730
>>18362758

OK brainlets, consider for about ten seconds how fucken lucky the Romans were to never have to deal with billions of tons of commerce traveling on their shitty rock roads and call me a commie while you isolate yourselves into a corner and become even more of a voiceless minority on the subject.

You go right ahead and don't let me get in your way.

>>18362816
They laugh at the middle class, calling them "petite bourgeois." They look down on them because Communists believe they have 0% chance of going into the upper classes and the capitalism game is rigged.

Meanwhile these online angry communists are basement-dwelling NEETs.

>>18362816

Typically, the upper middle class gets absolutely wrecked by commie/socialist dickheads. Bolsheviks killed and ran off most of them (doctors/working professionals).

>>18362664
>and then slavery stopped

engineers exist where using mathematical modelling to deliver a project is more profitable than not. Ie if you're building a table is it profitable to model the table? no if you're building a 1km bridge is it profitable to model it? yes
The cost of engineering is going down with information technology.

Most universities are debasing themselves because it is obvious something is going to disrupt their monopoly on certification meaning there is an oversupply of shit engineers.

>>18362778
brainlet

>>18362832
Why are you making such an assumption? I'm living a solid upper middle class life, and I started from living in a dirty and hot restaurant attic.

I know progress and improvement is possible. I experienced it. That's why I can never support Communism's lie about the how the game is rigged and you will only be stuck in the low class.

>>18362846
Same with the Cultural Revolution.

>>18362873
Do you work a job?

>>18362664
Yeehaw fuck college, math, and "education." Let's just build our roads and buildings with street smarts and Christ's love. Freedom on the move!

>>18362915
self employed in the beauty sector. That's all I'm comfortable telling a stranger so no more questions.

>>18362791
>They can't comprehend that sometimes people that work hard/smart succeed.
Nice narration.
>>18362873
Your kids will be billionaires. They'll be able to exploit other people works. You are a winner. Congratulation.

Doctors deserve their social status. Lawyers are faggots, and engineers are worse.

>>18362935
Ah ok, so you don't actually own any wealth, thanks for confirming.

>>18362952
>Your kids will be billionaires. They'll be able to exploit other people works. You are a winner. Congratulation.
Why the hell are you so bitter about my personal success? If my descendants are spoiled incompetent assholes they will eventually lose their wealth, be it in one generation or ten.

Nothing lasts forever. That's the law of the universe.

>>18362975
keep being bitter you NEET poof

>>18362664
desu most engineers these days don't work towards longevity, just working to make the final product look good for the least possible cost. I work in construction and that image on the left shows a fuckton of base material, nowdays profit margins would probably reduce the amount of gravel and fines used by at least 2/3rds. You can't have cheap without less, boomer.

>>18362971
You think doctors aren't in it for the money? You sound like a kid.

>Goldberg buys cheap Chinese materials and have Jose and family pretend to pave the road
No engineers involved.

>>18363066
Not sure what relevance that has negro.

>>18363087
Not sure what your fucking point is, retard.

>>18363087
>>18363143
>So mad at each other they haven't realized the thread had died with the putting to rest of the commie parry.

/biz/'d be a magical place.

Dont use civil engineers as the end-all be-all example of how shit engineers are. Civil are literally the worst besides industrial.

Computer, Chemical, Biomed, Electrical and Aerospace are perfectly respectable.

Mechanical are pajeet tier.

>>18362791
For sure. The most popular "cool" socialists (Chapo, Hasan Piker, etc.) at the moment are all podcast guys. A majority of them come from well-to-do upper middle class or upper class homes where they were highly educated, had a kind upbringing, etc. thanks to their parents having well paying jobs, generational wealth, etc.

A lot of the push for socialism at the moment is literally funded by well-off people that were privileged enough to grow up in a Capitalist society where their parents made a lot of money. Now they want to "redistribute"/tax/etc. to make sure there are publicly funded services without ever acknowledging their privilege to be in the position they're in.

I mean they quite literally couldn't be proclaiming their points of view via podcasts, YouTube, Twitch, etc. without capitalism. They have it so damn good and they think they could have it better with socialism, and they don't realize the irony in this.

>>18363007
The funny thing is, unlike you, I actually do own some wealth generating assets. Not enough to live a luxury lifestyle, but enough to not have to work. The difference is that I understand it didn't come from "hard work" even though I bought them, and that any "successful" person in capitalism requires a mountain of wagecucks to support them. It's a hierarchy, and only one person gets to be at the top.

>>18362664
It depends on what they are doing.
But you're obviously very low iq based on OP pic, so there's no point trying to explain anything to you.

>>18363198
kys socialist

it's not possible to be wealthy under socialism you can't own anything, it's slavery where some authority determines the outcome of your life.

Capitalism is moral because the only way to get someone elses wealth is to have them voluntarily exchange value for it.
Meanwhile in socialism everyone else has a right to your wealth

>>18362712
Don't hate my six figures and two pensions.

>>18362704
You wouldn't be able to drive over 10mph either. Is everyone on here a retarded kid or something? I guess that would explain a lot.

>>18362664
They need to build them shitty, otherwise they wouldn't be able to pay those road workers a high salary as 5 of them stand around watching 1 guy fill in a pot hole.

>>18362833
your re so fucin stupid its pathetic and you are trolling or honestly have no clue how fukcing dumb you are and how fucking stupid you sound like a retard idiot child

the romans built modern roads ahead of their own time for the time they lived in
if they lived in a time with 50 ton transport carts passing by every 10 minutes, they would have fuckin built the god damn roads to handle it are you fucking dumb?
never mind that's a rhetorical question we already know the answer retard

>>18363166
Oh right, that guy's a commie. No wonder he thinks doctors are "more deserving of their reputation".

>>18362993
>If my descendants are spoiled incompetent assholes they will eventually lose their wealth
Only if they get extremely degenerate. It's not hard to do low risk investing, you just need tons of money to live off it.

Roman empire fell but the roads and ravioli remain. Did they engineer the ravioli also?

Alas a 1000 years too late I was born. I hate living in this idiocracy. Everyone is so fucking stupid and worthless and despite my staggering intelligence they're too dumb to appreciate it. Romans and Greeks would have appreciated me. Probably make me a consul or something since they know that a sharp wit is all a man needs to lead nations.

>>18362664
why do you ask the same pointless questions on multiple boards?
>>252609041

and why do you morons reply to them?

>>18363198
you have no idea the shit I had to do to get here shut the absolute fuck up

>>18363293
wealth is gambling. Growing up is when you realize that's it's hard to make money but it's REALLY easy to fuck up and lose everything.

I know plenty of people personally that lost all their wealth in a matter of years.

>>18362664
Any idiot can build a bridge that lasts 1000 years and will never fall down. The engineer's job is to design a bridge that just barely doesn't fall down.

>>18363348
no an engineer designs a bridge that will last 1000 years for 0.01% of the cost of the idiots design

>>18363245
>>18363334
Stay poor faggots.

>>18363391
>I would be wealthier if it was illegal to accumulate wealth

>>18363421
>he thinks he's the one who will have the wealth

>>18363348
Modern bridges have a safety factor of 6 or 7 for every conceivable load bearing scenario

I work with some mechanical and chemical engineers at my job. They are semi essential.The engineers at my job are staggering their work days and "working from home" 2-3 days a week. I do need them to sign off on certain things so they need to be in building at least part of the week. Overall it's mostly shit I could do myself if I had the time.

>>18363198
>, I actually do own some wealth generating assets.

You shouldn't own luxury assets. You need to share them with me

Long answer https://youtu.be/qL0BB2PRY7k
Short answer >>18363348

>>18363458
If you want some specifics we are having problems with a customer who says our material is out of dimensional spec, so the engineers are doing 100% inspection on it.

>>18362993
you think being upper middle class makes you rich and/or successful when zoomers and e-thots with a modest 5k viewers on twitch make 1 dollars every time they take their hourly "bathroom break" and click the ad button? How hard did they work for that? Girl gamers aren't even good at the games, simps just give them free money for having a vagina

17 year old zoomies are making 5000 dollars every day for playing video games and your boomer ass works a shitty mundane job taking in less than 100k after taxes and bay area rent even if you were a 400k per year google guy, which you aren't, you're not making more than 100k before taxes

Face it, hard work is a meme and people in the upper middle class who spend their days working at least 9 to 5 (not including commute!) are no better than other wagie proles

>>18362747
I know right? Shut the fuck up millennials and buy my bags. I didn't get this far to lose at the finish line. Lazy entitled fucks

>>18363438
>Eating junkfood
Who eats. Money that could be spent on link

>>18363438
>not being able to accumulate wealth is better than being able to

socialism is inescapable wagecucking you fucking moron. It doesn't matter what you do in socialism you are a slave because you are not allowed to accumulate wealth.

>>18362852
>compensatingShitskins.jpg

>>18362993
Bloomberg

>>18363576
And guess what you are now dumbfuck

>>18363672
classic socialist arguing for his own enslavement with no arguments

>>18362664
desu it's not the engineers but the lack of death penalty for thieves that's the cause here

>>18363181
Kikes gonna kike

>>18362664
they create blue prints that the actual tradesman have to re-engineer. thats it

>>18363181
So how come you don't have it so good?

>>18362872
no, mexico doesn't do this, they literally send raw sewage into the ocean right on the american border.

https://www.kusi.com/mexico-is-dumping-50-million-gallons-of-raw-sewage-into-the-united-states-every-single-day/

>>18363756
>8 posts in this thread of "So how come you don't have it so good?"

that has nothing to do with what I posted, and to answer your question, I do have it very good (thanks to my parents), and therefore I'm in favor of capitalism over socialism, because it has enabled me to have a decent life and I am thankful for that.

>>18362706
This. I could design something that lasted twice as long, but it would cost ten times as much, have one fifth of the manufacturing yield, and use materials that were also more expensive. My opinion is that engineering in a capitalist model is product optimization within the constraint of profitability.

>>18362852

That curve doesn't mach the graph at all. It ignores the building boom in the 1930s.

>>18363802
>mexico is representative of today's engineering vs Romes
kys

>>18363802
Doesn't the current push all that south into Mexican waters?

>>18362664
Civil engineers are responsible for the greatest increase in human standards of living and life expectancy in history.

Doctors always claim credit, but if you have clean water, safe sewage disposal and basic zoning common sense (i.e. daycares not next to ore smelters) you basically jump avg life expectancy like 20 years.

The reasons Roman roads don't have potholes is because most of continental Europe is mild year round. Yes Fritz Munich is a mild winter. Chicago / Boston / Toronto have much harsher freeze thaw cycles.

Also Roman roads were built with the blood of thousands of slaves worked to death. That road with a few potholes was built with a fraction of the labor and cost and time of the Roman roads. Filling potholes is cake and cheap. Sorry you live in a city run by Niggers that can't even do that right . That's not civil engineering.

I'm a civil engineer and I'm guarantee d employed for the next three years in a major US city. You can't outsource that shit to India.

All those "based" engineering disciplines you cite like comp, elec, aerospace (lol) are almost all being outsourced or automated. All my friends who I went to school with were all lured by the higher starting salaries of compe elec mech but virtual ly all of them have been laid off in their careers more than once . I'm continuously employeed and have outearned them all.

So keep shitting on Civil. I'm laughing at all of you in the long run .

>>18363177
>Aerospace are perfectly respectable.

I'm a mechanical engineer and I can accept that I fucked up a bit choosing my major. Aerospace is just mechanical with an unnecessary sub-specialization though. I stayed mechanical in grad school and ended up winning a grant to do aeroelasticity research over the actual aerospace engineering lab at my university.

The rest of this is accurate.

>>18363881
yeah it's a shit graph but the point is correct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_tallest_buildings

>>18363181
You think that maybe that some of the rich are socialists because they know from experience that a lot of wealth isn't accumulated honestly? Rich people with a conscience?

Doing actual work is hard and pays little. Having your assets accumulate value is relatively easy and pays a lot.

The only way that we can ease our conscious about this state of affairs is to exaggerate the amount of effort it takes to do the jobs at the top, and denigrate and demean those at the bottom, conveniently aligning morality is with financial success so that nothing has to change.

Last century proponents of capitalism were vindicated by the failures of communism. But to rely on those victories of the past will become less and less persuasive as the flaws in our current system grow. Mutualism or Georgism is probably the way of the future.

>>18362712
> Implying that non-union doesn't cut corners.
I sense... envy.

>>18362952
Everyone can exploit each other's labor if they invest in total market index funds. :^)

>>18362684
>crush judea
>expell the jews
>your infrastructure lasts for 1000 years

They knew what they were doing too.

>>18363497
>you're not making more than 100k before taxes
Wrong. Anyways what a waste of time reading your dumb comment. You think I get hurt because some people make money on Twitch? What was the point of this comment?

>every single piece of infrastructure in modern society required the efforts of entire teams of engineers to develop
>What do engineers do

>>18364800

>>18363936
Based contradiction-in-terms engineer.

>>18364821
What do you mean what's the point? You're not successful, you're wasting your good years working a day job and you think you're rich and successful while people who were lucky make what you make in a year by doing one sponsored stream for a few hours.

>sometimes people that work hard/smart succeed
you didn't succeed, you haven't retired by 30 and/or never worked a day in your life
The moderjn thinks he made it but he works 300 days per year just like the shaneequa working for minimum wage at Mickey D's. There are two groups of people, the mega-rich jewish overlords and there are cattle who work for them who don't even realize they're cattle because others are even worse off than themselves.

NEET leeching off my parents btw, I'll never have to work a day in my life because of their boomer stocks. Your future son might become just like me!

>>18363802
Calling illegal immigrants raw sewage is a bit much, no?

>>18362664
In the past before Jews corrupted our culture people use to look past their own life span and do things that’d best serve future generations for hundreds of years. Now everything is built to be constantly replaced and repaired so jews make more money. There is no incentive to do things like this anymore because it costs too much money and money is our god under our Jew society

>>18363439
On paper

>>18363485
"There is also survivor bias : all cheap roman buildings are long gone, leaving only those that were considered critical infrstructure, which the Pantheon certainly was to the romans. It means they should not be compared to any regular modern building, but rather to what we also consider critical infrastructure we need to be as sturdy as possible."

>>18362664
Climate and geology also play a role, in addition to plowing.

>>18362664
Get paid more stupid

>>18362833
Did you even know why Rome is so successfully in their campaigns? It's because of their logistics.

>>18362664
moron. They were engineers, they just learned through apprenticeship, rather than universities.

>>18362664
> implying the street builders of Ancient Rome weren’t engineers
> implying you can go as fast on those ancient streets as on a German autobahn
> implying there were as much traffic as there is on streets today
Muh ancestors
You are a fucking retard

>>18365029
if believing that helps you sleep at night and justify your neetdom be my guest

>>18367247
This and the fact that those ancient roads cost a lot more time and most likely funds to construct than asphalt roads.

>>18362702
Yeah I accidently built a stone aqueduct that lasted 2000 years. Just got lucky.

>>18362758

I thought they believe all wealth is stolen by people they don't like which justifies their terrorism

>>18362684
>Romans had engines

>>18362664
>no one notices when a road full of holes gets holes
Imagine my shock

>>18362664
The reason we build shit today is because if we build like before, soon there willbe no jobs. A lot of money goes into the (((repair))) industry, its all for (((job security)))

>>18363936
Here to second this, my experience aswell

>>18362664
Those old roads cost a fortune to build, didn't carry anything even 5% as heavy as modern trucks, and were very far from flat.
Engineers make shit happen for not much money. We're lazy, but a good result is something we take pride in. If something is designed like shit, it was probably marketing or management twiddling with the design.

>>18362664
coble roads are still used in central locations with low speed limits and they do last a lot longer

>>18362702
Man crazy how they just totally got lucky with roads, aquaducts, the colosseum, the Aurelian walls, the Pantheon, a bunch of huge bath houses, Trajan's column, etc. You'd wonder why sub Saharan Africa never got so lucky.

>>18363438
An Asian person made this meme, cant believe even memes are made in China now

>>18362664
Not to mention the Pantheon in Rome; the first concrete structure of its kind, and zero signs of concrete rot.
A modern bridge starts crumbling after half a decade.

>>18362702
they got lucky they literally just put a bunch of rocks together and it turned into a solid structure and they just copy and pasted the design it everywhere else pure luck

>>18367855
https://www.nature.com/news/seawater-is-the-secret-to-long-lasting-roman-concrete-1.22231

There are so many kinds of engineers. I am an industrial engineer and I optimize, built, design factories and production lines so your products are cheaper. I also worked in desiging a new better way of harvesting and storing wave energy from the sea. Another project I did was optimization and analysis of shutdown maintenance projects at a steel plant. Every day the plant shut down costs about 10million.

>>18362664
The reason Roads break is because they use the cheapest martial to make it. There are better ways of making roads they are just too expensive.

>>18362664
we need to bring back niggerslaves so we can make these roads

>>18362664
shit used to get built to a standard. now it is built to a budget and coming in under budget is highly praised, even rewarded.

>>18362664
EVOLIUTION is real, we just go to wrong direction devolving in to jew controlled slavery system. why ? because everything that money touches turns in to shit. People before build with intention to serve life and last long (that is not lucrative, isn't?)

Rule of the people is self governing system by highest institution popular peoples congress.
Then come grabbers and suggest representative democracy and tool of usury money. So minority rule by lie and usury , right?
You need a lots of poor in order to have one rich
so usury is obvious and it is covered up by suggested imagination (lie) they can explain everything on paper, it just we are real, not paper based reality.

Where I live they just plop thin layer of asphalt on the bare dirt and repeat in 3 months when it breaks up.

>>18362716
No, the heave rule of the people in large luxury build coliseums where popular peoples congress was happening and all decisions was made by the people for the people.
But then come grabbers like Jews and many others get in a gangs and start competition of usury and lie.

>>18362791
>95% of them believe that all rich/upper middle class people are there because they were born into wealth.
>sometimes people that work hard/smart succeed
>sometimes != 5%

To be realistic, you need some level of birth into wealth, if you're born to poorfags, odds are they're also brainlets, will raise you like shit, and you'll be poor. /his/ sounds based might check it out.

>>18362664
show me the skyscrapers that the Romans built

>>18368055
>based redpiller shows example of how retarded most commies are
>"actually I am also retarded!"

>>18368111
shit you're right I literally can't read

>>18362873
you created your wealth in other peoples expanse by competition of usury and lie.

We all have got 24h a day to exchange in a meaningful way . Usury tool money change the game. If you took one penny, that it is not yours, but by other human sweat, we kill people like you directly as soon as we detect and we call people like you grabbers and if you real psychopath 1% born that way we rather club you to protect others. I wonder if grabbers can change their hearts to friendship and caring equality? we need to kill every single poisoned by greed and fear mind.

You are peace of shit and proud over yourself for usury of other people means you need to die in order to make place for young friendly people to live. we are not communist or label-list you serve life you welcome, you do usury tricks for selfish greed in fear?, you need to die as a sick part of species, freaks like you naturally are mocked by kids and anyone who is healthy friendly and willing to contribute.

>>18368111
>>95% of them believe that ALL rich/upper middle class people are there because they were born into wealth.
well that's objectively wrong

it's so wrong my brain read it and translated it into the more sensible "95% of rich/upper middle class people... born into wealth"

>>18368162
Imagine small island in the middle of ocean and 1 rich and 9 poor people living on that island.

Usury is obvious and rich people exist in poor peoples expanse and suffer, that is truth.

>>18367577
>larp

It mostly doesn't matter how good or not an engineer is. Everyone will produce subpar work sabotaged by brain let management.

The only way to escape this is to work overtime. Most sane engineers will obviously not do that.

Tldr management is the cancer of engineering.

>>18362758
Commies mostly think success comes from oppressing others; it's the basic DNA of communism/Marxism.

They think that if you choose a bad job or a bad rental property; it's your employer's/landlord's fault lmao.

>>18362765
Roman roads are still used today by modern transit and work fine

Its just about quality and having a solid base underneath the road
Modern roads are built cheap, not to last

>>18368204
Brainlet cope.

>>18362664
Maintenance and management of power stations is pretty important nowadays
-t. energy engineer

Most underrated engineering is naval architecture hands down.
>low supply of engineers
>mostly same shit as mechanical but double the salary
>jobs literally anywhere with coast/ports
>usually work 2-4 months a year on projects
>rest of the year is a prolonged vacation and contract deals

shhh don't tell anyone though

>Drive car over Roman roads
>Car starts falling apart and driver develops back issues
Damn engineers not building cars and human spins out of stone

>>18362664
Being this retarded.

>>18368076
300 foot tall 6 tier aqueducts
kys retard. degenerates like you belong on a cross. hail caesar

imagine hating on engineers, the unsung heros that make the fucking world go around. meanwhile there are ceos and managers and all sorts of fucking leeches that provide no actual use nor wealth generation. OP is the biggest faggot ever recorded, they need a bullet to the head as a solution

>>18362684
Of course but they had no stupid degrees
>University is a meme in times of internet and Wikipedia
>sadly you need the meme because boomers employ you

>>18362935
cam shows don't count as making it

>>18370983
Sounds based
Any chance to get into it with a bachelor in ee?
>>18370037
Sounds like a chill job
How much pay to expect fresh out of uni?

Who knows it seems like everybody here works in a tranny field, either IT or software. Just like rebbit. Gives you a good idea of what kind of absolute fucking dorks post here pretending to be men.

>>18373004
/thread

>>18362701
Iron rimmed cart wheels dug ruts into the roads. Eventually axle width was effectively standardized to fit into those ruts. This is the origin of railroad gauges.

>>18362664
That road in the bottom photo was specifically designed to fucking break like that.
The whole world is a scam. It could've been done better, and to last, which would benefit literally everyone except the kikes who got the contract to re-surface it every year.
Instead we cuck our entire society to benefit these kikes.

>not understanding how the economy works and that if there are no roads to fix then thousands upon thousands of construction workers lose their jobs.

in this kiked up economy you MUST design things to break at a rate to match the job industry

>>18373605
>broken windof fallacy
git gud commie faggot

>>18362702
They were decent builders but also they didn’t have thousands of vehicles weighing anywhere from 10,000 to 80,000 lbs driving over them each day so it isn’t really a comparison.

>>18374005
they literally do that though
like that's reality

>>18362664

Why can't engineers just admit they're basically just another "middle management" position? They're basically nothing more than "coordinators" who takes credit for the work of others. The only "work" they put in is the planned obsolescence.

>>18375500
Why can't managers and ceo's just admit they're basically just another "middle management" position? They're basically nothing more than "coordinators" who takes credit for the work of others. The only "work" they put in is the planned obsolescence.

>>18362758
Everything is largely outside of human control.

The economy especially.

Your success or failure in business is largely determined by outside forces.

Some people may genuinely see something, and realize its within there power to make a change to take advantage of it. But people like Jeff Bezos could have just as easily been nobodies had externalities out of there control (the majority of things that affect there business) .

>>18375953
Continued:
Negativity impacted there business.

They have a better form of road already made

>>18375500
Spoken like a line cook

I am the bone of my reserve
Cash is my body and finances is my blood
I have created over a thousand printers
Unaware of Inflation, nor aware of reason
Withstood pain to create dollars, waiting for ones arrival
I have no gains. This is the only path
My whole life was Unlimited Printing Works

>>18367898
Sounds interesting but I dont believe the factory owners pass the savings to the consumer. The economic engineers would optimize and analyze the cost savings right into the CEOs pocket and the shareholders, maybe.

>>18363936
But you can bring Indians here. Check out most cities in southern CA. Probably get less money or at least stagnate future salary gains for the position.

>>18362712
ahahaha, the brainwashing is strong in this one