/biz/ - Business & Finance

sell everything

fuck bulls and fuck bullish "people"

>>18307355
>>18307199
Tourist here.

Should I just dump all my savings into the s&p 500 right now and keep putting money in for the next 2-3 years until I go abroad for my masters? I can put about 3k in at the moment and plan to save another 4k each year.

19 and working like 16-20 hours average, so not much income. Might start tutoring as an extra source.

Derp

Will I make more with SOXL or SPXL?

>>18307371
No.

invest in Vanguard ETFs for these specific sectors

>Energy
>Tech
>Financials

>>18307371
Didn't mean to reply to that post

I'm short big oil
Long Etsy.

I'm very happy going into Monday!

>Bullish
>Priced in
>Missed the bottom
>Infinite QE
>Stimulus phase 4

>>18307355
Bros I'm not gonna make it
You guys go ahead I'll get off this station

>>18307370
Mad, lol?

Attention tourists and newfags. Before you talk about buying the dip and asking for stock picks, skip to 52:30 and watch the interview with El-Erian. He lays it the situation out clear and it's geared towards laypeople. Also read investopedia and the damn sticky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7GtUE5sx-Y

Your thoughts anon.

Complete newfag, purchased TVIX as my first stock last week in the hopes for a wild swing. I could lose it all and not care about the amount lost. Things are so unpredictable and unstable at the moment. Saudi playing the US with their shale games, the economy coming to a grinding halt, massive records of unemploment (more to come in the following weeks), and the lack of end in sight for this pandemic.

What I want to know, is what are the chances of it mooning again? Id love a triple bagger.

Thanks
>t.grasshopper

>>18307409
El Erian is a hack

>>18307355
Everyone think the market will bottom when the daily case flatten... If everyone think that, wouldn't it be a pump when it flatten? Then Dump when the economic Data sinks in?

Y’all should be selling puts right now.

>>18307411
VIX was inflated by 10% daily back and forth moves, I don't think you know how incredibly unprecedented that is. Likely will drop and chill in the 20-40s

I usually only listen to prog rock and psych but my guilty pleasure is allanah myles' self titled

>>18307409
Go back to >>/pol/ tranny

What happens to Disney stock when Apple squires them

>>18307411
A leveraged etf like that is only meant to be held a day or two.

Why? Because they lose money. Yes they literally lose money every day. It is how the fund is set up. Leverage costs money. That's the 2x thing.

>he didn't buy the dip

>>18307411
you will lose your entire position even if the market goes down, as always. thanks for playing

>>18307435
Dump come once every boomer and "buy the dip" zoomers has bought in, we then crash into crab market for months. The Jews won't allow the goyim to profit from the stock market.

>>18307467
Pushes the seat back and crushes her tits.
>nothing personal kid

>this many threads on a Sunday night
damn slow it down and take it easy
I can't keep up with this

>>18307473
I hope this happens. I’m nowhere near all in yet.

>>18307473
what did they mean by this

>>18307486
me mean... futures am up 100 point
there alot be speculating about atm

>>18307454
>Shilling a literal arab
>pol
kek you can't win

>>18307473
>The Jews won't allow the goyim to profit from the stock market.

blaming the jew has become a really annoying meme at this point.

>>18307467
>Big, droopy boobies that would swing back and forth
Oof.
https://youtu.be/lg_sd_EpTDs

>>18307476
Squishy.

help me with some math.

>spxl was ~75 dollars before the crash, now it is ~23, around a 70% decrease
>the sp 500 is currently down ~26% from ATH
>if sp 500 reaches ATH again, spxl would gain ~70% putting its price at ~39 dollars

what the fuck happened to the other 35 dollars?

Oh wow im seriously getting fucking rekt right now lol

>>18307473
Yep, this.

>>18307512
Welcome to leveraged decay, drop 50% and you need a gain of 100% to break even. Read investopedia.

>>18307455
disney always goes up mouse is too strong

>>18307507
>T. David Goldstein

>>18307409
I don't listen to anything ben shapiro says. When it takes an entire college semesters worth of information to fully articulate how horrifically wrong someone is, it's a generally good indication that they are not to be listened to. He plays a fools gotcha game. But while his idiotic supporters may assume this makes him the more intelligent person, he actually winds up looking like a right fool. It's no wonder he's just a political commentator. Good at selling his brand, but that's about as far as it goes. That kind of showmanship may get you a following. But it takes integrity to help you leave a lasting impression.

>>18307512
crab markets kill leveraged ETFs

>>18307501
I just worked for 12 hours, I need to sleep and wake up at 5 AM, and I have like 4 /smg/ threads to read now...
it's not ok

>>18307512
>Full recovery from 70% down is only a 70% rise
You almost fucking got me.

>>18307542
I am no fan of shapiro. I linked the vid for El-Erian.

>>18307542
I never listened to a thing the guy ever said. No clue what people are talking about on pol about him. Just that his sister has a great rack. And he better have incested on seeing them!

>>18307371
you don't have to dump your savings in all at once. you can split it up over the next 3-6 months. but putting money in the market now and letting it sit there for years is a safe bet.

>>18307499
Dump incoming.

futures going up

HOLD ME BROS I DONT WANT BORIS TO DIE, LITERALLY THE ONLY WORLD LEADER I LIKE AS A PERSON

>>18307411
the markets already had a big crash. why do you think you'd get a 3x gain this late to the party? just buy SPY or VOO with your money and forget about it.

>>18307578
He was dead the moment he said the UK needed "herd immunity".

>>18307588
One more crash this week

>>18307543
>crab markets kill leveraged ETFs
Based facts poster.
<3 <3 <3

>>18307578
Tbh watching him speak at the Rome vs Greece debate really made me like him. No idea about his politics or anything but he's alright in my book after I watched that.

>>18307599
After a huge bull run back to 260-270. We'll still be up this week.

>>18307593
Was that his kill phrase?

>>18307560
I've seen them hold him up as some "Gold standard of facts and logic" because he "Owns the libs" or some other nonsense. But everything I've seen is him playing gotcha games and the clip ending. Whenever he is actually interviewed by an adult in any way shape or form it turns into a hilarious disaster. Like the time he interviewed a famous British conservative and called him a leftist socialist. The intellectual beating ben shapiro caught was something I replayed and enjoyed with a fine glass of wine.

Also I kind of like stock twits. Little more refined but still a bunch of hilarious speculators.

>>18307551
Someone couldn't get 10 points on their math SAT.
>$100 starting price
>40% drop
>closes at $60
>rallies 40% the next day
>$60*1.4=$84
>still down 16% after going 40% down then 40% up

>Down 42% to $130
How do I make it back guys?

>>18301929
So maybe you've heard of buybacks? That's where a company resorbs a fraction of outstanding shares, thereby increasing the value of the remaining shares on the market. They assumed a debt liability by issuing bonds in most cases to perform these buybacks. This increases their debt burden, which in turn practically devalues the company. Many sectors have virtually stagnated, clientele having reached saturation or demand being met, productivity increases or outsourcing reducing cost, driving reductions and thinning margins.

Anyways, pricing was based on fundamentals at one point. Profits earned or expansion of business, debt servicing (and serviceability) and so on. But with these buybacks being taken on with their liabilities has an inverse relationship, as the company goes deeper in debt their fundamentals slip, while the volume of stocks shrinking drives increased prices on the market. More or less this is an illusory valuation that is decoupled from reality. Look at NFLX for example, who is neck deep in debt while being a fairly highly prized "asset" but once their growth cycle seizes, they'll be left with huge debts to service and little more than an inevitably declining clientele since their ability to receive credit will have seized alongside it.

There's more convoluting factors in the hash, but a big driver of the growth since about 2012 in many sectors has been due to inflation caused by buybacks.

>>18307531
Biz is a mouse board

>>18307512
>You are now aware that to recover from losing 50% you have to go UP 100%
Welcome to introduction to percentages and 3x ETFs!

>>18307578
Boris will pull through by the power of excellent hair.

>>18307633
Short smallcap after Monday rally. It truly does not deserve this rally.

rate my new start page

>>18307578
Here, I'll post some comfy Megumins with you, anon

>>18307624
He just really supports his own policies..lol

Fuck, should I sell my SQQQ?

>>18307664
>He shorted tech of all things
Retard.

Is ford going up tmmrw? :( pls no buli

>>18307651
I've already been hodling SQQQ et al since $24, how fucked am I? Should I just wait for a profit?

>oil is going back up
Based boomers sacrificing themselves so I can 3x leverage bear it with no fear at all.

>>18307663
I mean, the catastrophic second wave of the Spanish Flu was in part due to fewer people being exposed to and developing immunity to the original less deadly variant, so it's not too hard to imagine where he got that idea from.

>>18307677
No.

I think tomorrow I'm going back to all cash. Got to be ready at a moment for the next opportunity.

>>18307628
>still down 16% after going 40% down then 40% up
Which means it hasn't reached all time high yet, you absolute moron.

>>18307678
Your first mistake was trying to hold a leveraged inverse ETF

If you don't time it right just suck it up and accept you losses, in this market all these leveraged ETFs are going to trend down over time

>>18307678
>24$
Ouch I would just take the lose. Tech isn't going to fall as hard as anything else would. Even if markets crash, shorting smallcap or literally anything else would be better.

dow futes +700 points
bears are kill

>>18307698
I’m hoping XOM spikes tomorrow so I can take my profits and sell some puts on GE.

>>18307717
I'm hoping it crashes so I can end my short. Regardless oil is down right now, so I have a better chance than you.

>>18307512
You and two friends eat a meal that costs $30. You split it 3 ways each paying $10 each. The waitress comes back and says the meal was only $25, but gave the $5 overpaid to the busboy. The busboy feels bad and gives $1 back to each of you, leaving him with $2 and each of you having spent $9 each for a total of $27. Where did that missing dollar go?

>>18307716
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>18307542
>I don't listen to anything ben shapiro says
good, don't. listen to the economist who starts at ~52:30

https://youtu.be/A7GtUE5sx-Y?t=3083
https://youtu.be/A7GtUE5sx-Y?t=3083
https://youtu.be/A7GtUE5sx-Y?t=3083
(starts at 51:23 to include El-erian's intro for those whove never heard of him)

>>18307430
I've only started following him since january, but I'm a fan. What's your issue?

>>18307740
Your math is wrong. It is not $9 each for the meal, but 9 and 1/3.

>>18307740
BUT 9+9+9+2 IS 31???? HOW DID THEY GET ONE EXTRA DOLLAR?

>>18307653
pretty fucking cringe my dude not gonna lie

>>18307664
>This troglodyte thought FAANG would take a beating from a virus

>>18307740
The waitress was Jewish and smuggled it from the busboy's wallet via her ass crack. DEBATE ME.

>>18307793

>>18307662
2/?

where are bobos... i need some hope to help me cope...

>>18307815
Gotta wait for the rest of the crash, and you should put the whole cliff-side so it doesn't look like hes floating.

>>18307388
Just pick the top X stocks from the ETF holdings desu senpai.

>>18307613
He was born in America that’s why you like him
> what it takes to make Britain great again is an American

Is there any good resource to see per-sector financials like PE(G) ratio (and schiller's if possible)? I found a pretty good dataset, wondering if there's nothing more interactive though.

>>18307653
It looks reasonably epic, but you're going to carry that weight if you hold your shorts too long

>>18307830
3/?

>>18307355
Please God, let it get to 3.75
If it does I'll immediately cash out the 1k and save it

Wow the futures are crazy pumped. Maybe I should sell my Amazon stocks just to make a small profit and get ready for later.

>Day 15 of coronavirus
>Yesterday all symptoms appeared to have gone
>39c fever this morning

When does the suffering end

it was all to obvious to those who can think logically. the existential threat sent a shock into many, creating the worst-case scenario as the most likely outcome. markets will march higher as people realize that the world is not ending. bears will be killed in the upcoming months.

If you're a bear, wait until the next big crash before buying puts. Market right now is going to crab with a bull run that drops the next week, then climbs back up. No more bad news can really tank the market, but people will start pulling money slowly because stocks aren't going to pay bills with 0 dividends. Pulling out the market now, maybe buying calls with the next dip.

>>18307831
>where are bobos... i need some hope to help me cope...
THERE IS NO HOPE. THE MARKET RISES AGAIN.
JUST LIKE THE SOUTH WILL DO.
R E P E N T

>>18307853
4/?

>Oil pumping again

I thought I was going to be in trouble buying UCO on Friday expecting an OPEC deal but it looks like I'm going to get bailed out anyway

>>18307831
Don't worry chap. It is a pre-market short squeeze. Tomorrow will open green and there will be a sell-off by noon.

Game is rigged, it is a big party and you are not invited.

>>18307740
you dont add the customers adjusted payments to find the original sum????

>>18307907
Crude is 3.6% down right now though?

>>18307878
That day was the most kino of my market career. Watching the dow fall off a cliff while trump rambled on was incredible.

ASX up big today wtf is going on bears?

>>18307916
everybody knows a deal is happening, the fact it got delayed by copule days isnt going to change the facts. both countries are going bankrupt and need to cut some production so prices can rise a bit

>>18307916
It's suppose to be down 25% because the tweet that dug it out of its $20 coffin got revealed as false Friday after close. Bears are facts. Bulls have money. Expect this thing to rally into the OPEC meeting then crash after.

>>18307802
> The stereotypical "hot" 19yo party girl with a blue collar dad and trashy fat mom who lives in a run down western pennsylvanian town with a median income of 40k whose just coasting through life on her fake bleached hair and split ends drinking at shitty house parties or bonfires before she gets pregnant by the town dope dealer whose 29 years old who is her baby daddy until she gets a simp to take care or her when she's 10 years older and 40 pounds overweight.
> and then the cycle repeats

>>18307944
>>18307940
I agree with both of these. I'm just saying it's not pumping until the meeting, and the meeting isn't today.

>>18307867
I'm trying to short Dillard's by the way, I stuck as close to the strike price as possible, expires on the 17th and DDS is at 24.50 now.
Did I do good? Is it all up to chance now?

>>18307916
It was -10% at futures open. A lot of hope in the oil deal, and Trump might make tariffs if they don't do anything. So oil is "safe" until OPEC decides to give a big "fuck you" to Trump since he isn't bringing US oil companies to the cartel when even Canada is.

>>18307960
Considering how green tomorrow is going to be, you're fucked.

>>18307940
prices can't rise if demand keeps falling and there's a supply glut, how long could the world run on just floating top container and tanker oil right now?

>>18307937

They want us to kill ourselves.

>>18307987
Tariffs = Russia and OPEC tank prices even lower

>>18307940
Do you really think the Saudi's only planned for a 1 month timescale to crush US shale?
"Oh dang, didn't get them this month. Guess we have to back off. Too bad we lost all that money."

Trump scrambling should be all the proof they need that their plan is working and US shale is fucked. I just fucking hate that I have to sell my USO puts to ride this market up tomorrow. I hope ioil doesn't magically drop one day before the OPEC meeting.

>>18307987
>Considering how green tomorrow is going to be, you're fucked.
so I'm going to lose almost everything...
I didn't invest all of my savings like a retard, just 1k, but I thought I was doing good and playing it safe now
Fuck the Fed pumping this market, I hope crash is twice as hard because of them

>>18308000
Exactly. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to tank oil, supply glut and demand shortage, they won't let this crisis go to waste. Russians can balance their budgets in the 30s, saudis need 60s to fund their welfare and shit.

LIMIT UP LIMIT UP LIMIT UP LIMIT UP LIMIT UP LIMIT UP

>>18308012
oh no, not a whole $1k

To all the bears here,
Truth is the game was rigged from the start.

I dunno guys, it's looking pretty bullish to me

VIX is fucking tanking

When I bull you bull

>>18308117
Does this predict a slow slide for months?

>>18307834
>you should put the whole cliff-side so it doesn't look like hes floating.
like this?

>>18308065
market going down, short

>>18307947
Holy fuckin Kek soo true

>>18308132
it predicts my options diving to 0

Some Of You Guys Are Alright.
Go all cash tomorrow.

>>18307507
Ok Moshe

>>18308059
but it was my 1k...

>>18308162
kek

imagine that it was leaked on here of all places

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iymkwFvTIs
monday theme song

>>18308183
countless lives will be slightly better because of your sacrifice

>>18308139
Like in the original pic. The foreground is just him and the cliff and the background is the chart. Might need to move the links to a different spot.

I'm so sorry about your puts bobo
I want this to drop too so I can long cheapies

Bullish on Chewy

I just woke up, what the fuck happened? on what news are we at 3%?

>>18308220
less coronavirus deaths and new cases

>>18308139
>>18308203
Something like this?

>>18308220
If you want a real answer it's because of speculation on cures, and number of cases lowering in the EU. Trump is also poomping the market by continually stating we are going back to work.

Overall it looks like corona virus is a nothing burger. Flattening the curve unironically worked, so markets are going up.

>>18308249
>Not having him using the ATH as his cliff to stand on
NGMI

>>18308220

The rate of case increase in New York dropped today. Trump spoke about it and the press picked up that narrative. Although a one day drop means nothing it's a good pump opportunity.

Could be a bull trap scenario or maybe the cases in the US could actually start to flatten out by some insane fuckin luck (or maybe we pull a China and stop reporting accurate numbers lmao)

My guess is slightly choppy week and when the deaths get up around 50k+ market drops down to previous lows.

Either way this board will continue to be full of retards suggesting it will moon or crash to 15k overnight.

>>18308202
>Fed bankers are delaying an inevitable collapse that will only kill niggers, old people, and retards who chose to disregard warnings
I say let it come.

Does thinkorswim have the capability to monitor futures

Will the bible belt get hammered after Easter? Churches are still open in those states right?

>>18308220
absolutely nothing

>>18308297
ya

are reinfections and spikes in corona-chan priced in

>>18308249
>>18308203
Like this. The cliff ends at the bottom of the image like in the original and only the background is replaced with the chart.

>>18308320
THIS IS EXTREMELY BULLISH AND PRICED IN!

>>18308320
Funny how at first they refused to even cancel the olympics, now they are declaring a state of emergency!

>>18308320
No, but they won't be priced in until you've bought back into the market (unless you're staying liquid until that happens). The market is crabbing and clowning for the foreseeable future, maybe with a slightly bullish tint.

>RTX
>7.7 P/E
>$70B in military backorders
>6% divvie that probably won't be cut
>half it's pre-crash valuation (equiv $90 according to marketwatch)
literally what is not to like

>>18308139
>>18308266
>>18308332
His feet and the cane line up perfectly. kek

BVLL. BVLL. BVLL.

>>18308274
Well, there was a huge anomality in the data on Sunday anyway. International cases were down a fuckton, statistically it does not make sense.

Could be the Sunday effect. Anyway, NYS cases are definitely not going down. Case positivity rate is like 40% which is ridiculously high.

>>18308254
Trump said we open by easter. What is Trump doing besides lies and media shit talk?

>>18308362
There you go lad, perfection

Stop doubting the legend of the green Monday. Embrace the predictable cash flow.

BVLL. BVLL. BVLL.

>>18308361
bro the 2020s is the decade where we legalize psychedelics worldwide and every one just spends time having sex and tripping out with each other
those military companies are going to go to $0 once we declare peace on all of our friends

>>18308396
2020 is the decade where America must defend her declining empire against Chinese upstarts

>>18308361
I like RTX quite a bit personally, I just worry about the merger or whatever they recently did.

>>18308377
Most people are still working anon. If the cases start dropping then the minor lockdown in place works. For the market to crash more it needs confirmation that real marital law has to be in place. People not being able to see movies and other useless shit will not crash the market.

As it stands right now the lower class will get fucked, as well as certain industries. Overall if trends continue we will survive and move on easily.

>>18308220
Technicals.

god I miss her bros...

>he didn't buy when spy was $220
>he didn't buy a -35% drop in the index because of a flu
>he thought a flu would cause a depression HAHAHAHAH

OOOOOH boy. Bet you doomers feel real stupid right now. You better buy in tomorrow at least or miss this V recovery straight back to SPY 340. Flu has peaked in many countries and already recovering. Unemployment and all that other crap is temporary and a non-factor. Companies will just claim it as vacations for their employees and hit all yearly targets still.

break 4%....

>>18308436
why did we never make nuclear-powered battleships or heavy cruisers....
they would have been so cool
damn

>>18308447
I would put my dick in that man or not

>>18308454
>why did we never make nuclear powered battleships
because the Iowas served all the way into the 90s and by the time a replacement made sense battleships didn't make sense

>or heavy cruiser
the ship behind the enterprise in that photo is USS Long Beach, a CGN

>>18308445
based antagonizer

>Tesla Ventilator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZbDg24dfN0

>>18308454
Because by the time we could make nuclear powered battleships, carriers became far more important. Blame the battle of Midway.

YIKES MY SRTY!!
well at least my SVXY bags will turn slightly greener!

>on what news?
whoever told you people that it was a good idea to trade off headlines?

>>18308423
>most people are still working
nah, not the wage slaves
but the tech people and the grocery wagies and the finance folks and everyone who has a job they can do from home

>>18308106
v. nice
I like it

Bvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvll.

Bvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvll.

Bvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvll.

>>18308483
I think a modern battleship could have a place now, actually, because the Army is working on what they call the Strategic Long Range Cannon (a 12" gun, basically atomic annie 2.0, with a range of 1000 miles)

BBN becomes a lot more interesting with 1000 mile guns

I made this shitty sketch

>>18308423
No clue why you feel the urge to reply to my post, but your Response has nothing to do with the regular Trump lies, besides that you are beyond retarded to think that this Virus isn't an excuse for the bubble pop. Easy argument that it isn't the current parties fault and instead even get more approval, world wide. Besides that you have world wide police states right now and people are pro police state right now. Absurd, lmao.

And lockdowns will never be lifted, most likely some 2 generation lock will be in place die months, good luck with your free police state, just for the sake of a financial crisis.

>>18308481
vents only save about 15% who go on them. Super important but they aren't a panacea if we have enough.

>>18308377
H-H-H-HOLY SHIT TRUMP HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU SAY WE WILL BE BACK TO W-WORK AFTER EASTER

>Back to work after Easter because WE BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND WE SHALL BE SAVED THROUGH GRACE OF FAITH ALONE

s-s-sorry Trumpsama, 2020 election a winner is you

>>18308481
Based Tesla
Can't wait for Cybertruck numbers

>>18308465
I mean I understand the military reasons why, but it's still bullshit
We don't get to fight any real wars anyway, we might as well build cool things
and cool things = battleships with at least 3 nuclear reactors or some kind of supermassive submarine

I guess we did build some nuclear cruisers but they were never a large component of our surface forces

>>18308517
Cruise missiles are good enough and they exist now. I think the only thing that might fly is some type of drone battleship. A cruise missile platform, with an ability to deploy and recover lots of drones without having a carrier form.

>>18308554
spaceforce is where all funding should go

If my puts don't drop more than 50% I'm completely pulling out of the market. But they're probably dropping 80% plus so I'm just going to hold at this point. Tuesday might drop if coronavirus spikes back up and oil news is bad again. I shoulda just waited for VIX to flatten out before getting back into options.

>>18308547
>>Can't wait for Cybertruck numbers
they're blowing up enough starships that they'll be able to make thousands of the limited starship edition models lmao

>>18308554
see
>>18308517
the army has decided railway guns are a thing again, and if they succeed, I suspect the navy will want a piece

>>18308564
We can't ever conquer our solar system without nuclear fusion. Better off putting the money there.

>Virtually no air travel
>Electricity demand is so low that we may have our first 0 carbon electricity day this week

>>18308579
well, just invest more in tech and innovation rather than an extra carrier or more aircraft.

>>18308592
Or just brrrr more money and have both.

>>18307507
Yes Jews didnt force the third world into the west and ruin labor wages.

They didnt rig the markets either using banks to buy politicians.

They also didnt kill thousands of Americans on 9/11 to trick americans to kill hundreds of thousands of middleasterners around Israel, and literally destroy all of its enemies save Iran.

Kill yourself, kike.

Imagine unironically, and I mean, UNIRONICALLY, wasting your money to speculating on big line going up or down

>>18308579
Starships first, the fusion drives can wait. We can conquer Mars with methalox rockets, we only need fusion for beltalowda and the giants

I was a productive member of the economy but now I'm sick with coronavirus, am I priced in?

>>18308612
symptoms?

>>18308611
>Starships
Starships need fusion and warp drive. Unless you mean the ship named Starship from SpaceX, that will never travel to another star.

>>18308583
I want to hang out with Greta in a carbon-neutral way

>>18308612
do you have a job?

>>18308538
Lay off /pol/ and /x/ lad, this is /biz/, we are here to make money. if you want to ramble about schizo politics or cry about the different flavor of the year politician, please go back to /pol/.

Trump uses hyperbole like most politicians, the main point of what he says is that he wants us back to work asap regardless of a few boomers dying. The curve is flattening across the EU and most people are still working. Stop thinking in /pol/ terms and think in market terms. Trump could say he's going to launch America into outer space, it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if markets move based on what he said.

>>18308626
We have a long history of names that don't make sense. There was a tank named Starship. We can let Elon have his autism, maybe he'll call his first interstellar vehicle Galaxy Ship.

>>18308621

Fever, fatigue (severe for 2 days), dry cough (mild), sore throat, toothache.

The last 2 weeks have been hell desu

>>18308627
>do you have a job?

Yeah, but now we all got sent homfor 4 weeks and the government is paying our wages

The newest IHME coronavirus projections are up..

way down from the April 1 projections. It actually has Louisiana already peaked

welp, lesson learned. should have gone delta neutral ;_;

>>18307664
not until the jobless hits +47 million is at 10 million so far.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! /BIZ/ TOLD ME TO SHORT MONDAY! WTF

>>18308654
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

if anyone here likes going through them. They reduced peak necessary supplies by like half or so.

IHME model change..

From April 15 or so to April 8th peak for NY

That's pretty big.

>>18308675
>>18308654
well that sounds positively fucking bullish

As soon as I sell my SRTY and DRV, all my longs are going to tank, I just know it!

>>18308481
Based. Tesla does what Apple pretends it does.

>>18308669
how

I need to stockpile cyanide so that next time I get this sick I can just an hero on day 1

>>18308698
>Tesla does what Apple pretends it does.
turn a profit?

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>>18308436
The current onions navy isn't worth to set foot on those.

SPY green or red tomorrow?
BA green or red tomorrow?
This matters immensely for my puts.

>>18308651
do you know who infected you?
do you know if you've infected anyone else?

I can't believe just money with nothing to back it can do this.

>>18308626
Literally fission rockets could take humanity to the nearest populated starsystems.

...which is why fission rockets are not talked about much these days.

>>18308708
boomers unironically think it's over and will be over by may.

>>18308716
Change the world and create new tech. You didn't invest in Amazon 10 years ago because of their profit.

>>18308719
i want SPY to be red, so itll be green. ill just tell myself its an opportunity to buy more puts and cry a little

>>18308717
S

>>18308728
Humans barely have the ability to get into space themselves right now, we fucking lost our nazi scientists and we're basically hoping Elon is on the right track or we're screwed.

We can worry about other stars when we're capable of getting back to LEO reliably. LEO is halfway to anywhere and by far the most dangerous part of the journey, every "health concern" after that is just handwringing by people on the hook for astronauts' medical bills.

>>18308728
There are no fission rockets. There are fusion rockets in which the fusion creates plasma that is magnetically ejected out a rocket nozzle.

Fission rocket usually means throwing nuclear bombs out the back and hoping they push you forward.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.29.008631v1

ciproflaxin could be added to treatment regime

>>18308744
Okay, so what about BA? Red because it's running counter to the market the last few days?

spy is going to break 260 tomorrow isnt it?

>>18308759
BA will go up and then down. ive consulted astrology to determine this. it will swing dramatically tomorrow. ride the wave

>>18308770
all the expert projections and models just got BTFO.

Expect a huge green day as people re-assess

>>18308770
bad news anon

>>18308737
that's not what Apple pretends to do

Apple makes very simple and easy to use phones and tablets, and now user-friendly watched and bluetooth headphones. They're a consumer electronics company, not a car company, not an artificial intelligence company, and not a cutting-edge tech company.

That's what Apple does and they're very good at what they do.

They're also trying to get the AppleTV into people's TV rooms, and are making a sort of half-hearted attempt at entering the streaming wars to encourage people to buy those Apple TV's. Once they hook people into their "ecosystem" they are often very loyal.

>>18308793
What the fuck

BOYS. BOYS. BOYS.

THIS IS IMPORTANT. PLEASE LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE FOLLOWING CONCEPT.

An Olympic swimming race... For physically disabled and deformed.

Please watch: https://youtu.be/5_QurE4V0dU

>DEPRESSION CANCELLED THIS IS NOT A DRILL
>DEPRESSION CANCELLED THIS IS NOT A DRILL
>DEPRESSION CANCELLED THIS IS NOT A DRILL

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/russia-saudi-arabia-are-very-close-to-an-oil-production-deal-rdif.html

Sell all your shorts immediately or you will lose everything.

>>18308787
Now look at oil. We made it brothers

>>18308803
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???
ARE. YOU. NOT. ENTERTAINED!?!?

My mind just fucking swirls while watching it

>>18308807
I was expecting a peak 10+ days earlier than projected just 4-5 days ago.

They already moved NY peak up on the IHME (whitehouse is using this) model.

LIMIT UP LETS FUCKING GO SO I CAN CELEBRATE!!!!

AJHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LIMIT UP ALREADY

>>18308813
Cuomo got BTFO’d hard lol

Futures making another move

>>18308807
oh FUCK
ahahdshdh
my puts
fucking hell
literally going to scream
i cannot believe this
tonight my oil ETF got fucking liquidated (UWT) and tomorrow my puts will die and ill LOSE MONEY ON BOTH
WHAT THE FUCK
FUCK

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

what the fuck happened

HOLY FUCKING SHIT I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF TOMORROW MORNING

>>18308831
Inshallah brother. It’ll always work out

>>18308840
IHME model just went pure BULL

>>18308836
When you bull I bull you Bull

>>18308806
Thanks that provided literally no more i formation than cnbcs average ball tickling "guys earning reports soon!" Could mean either way. Repubs and Dems met on a relief bill for days and it came out worse. Based Pelosi will kill us all for spite.

>>18308806
Nice. This bit is good:
>A virtual meeting between OPEC and its allies was scheduled to happen on Monday, but is now “likely” to take place on Thursday instead, sources told CNBC.
That gives me some time to approach the situation with some strategy. Maybe make some off the anticipation and pull back partial position before the meeting occurs.

>>18308840
IT'S CALLED THE PARALYMPICS, ANON.
A FESTIVUS FOR THE REST OF US.

all the covering tomorrow
the squeeze
the bull rally of epic proportions

+10% is possible easily

What do you guys think about me buying $100 of Chesapeke energy stock just for the hell of it?

>>18308000
do you really think the saudis arent doing this at the behest of Trump in order to inflict maximum damage to venezuela, iran, and russia's economies?

>>18308854
How do I play a position that is "I bet literally anything happens other than the price staying close to what it currently is"? Butterfly?

>>18308862
>DOW 30,000 tomorrow
>my SPXS goes to zero but gains in stocks put me in the green

>>18308751
Robots are the future of space travel anyway.

The technology is easy to use without humans.

You just use a combined nuclear ramjet nuclear rocket system to achieve LEO (with the ramjet getting you to LEO mostly) then the rocket takes you to a nearby star using orbiting, prelaunched fuel packages which can be refilled at the next atmosphere found for further travel.

REEEEEE
I'm pretty upset I rehedged on friday

I follow the DIX too, but I thought, after last time, this was a fake out.

>>18308865
Trump must be in a weird spot
On the one hand: murder US shale
On the other hand: Murder Venezuela, Iran, and Russia in one fell swoop
part of what crippled the USSR was the oil glut

>>18308870
this is without coronavirus number..

if they show further decline...

this rally will be a faceripper

I. AM. SO. FUCKING. HAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRDDDDDD.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUCK'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

I'M JUST GOING TO BUY MORE SPXL AT OPEN JUST FOR THE FUCK OF IT.

Electric powered fully automated commercial planes by 2025

>>18308870
based long/short poster

I just FOMO'd back in, I can't miss the pump

get the FUCK out now before everything crashes

>>18308884
please tell me that's a man

>>18308884
me gonna sell 2 lots O_O

>>18308756
You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

ROVER, NERVA, and many other nuclear rocket programs existed and were highly successful before they were "cancelled."

>>18308867
With options? Usual volatility maneuver is straddle/strangle. Butterfly and iron condor is if you think things will not move much.

Hey Bearfags, get used to seeing this: V

Has anyone ever back tested doing the exact opposite of the sentiment on biz?

>>18308884
this is perfect timing probably

volatility lower and price still lowish, would prob want to buy at open tho

>>18308907
sure just get me a day by day sentiment dataset for /biz/ going back ten years

>>18308894
selling?
shorting the biull run?

what happens after the stimulus dries up? print more money?

seriously what the FUCK happened for it to nearly reach +4%

>>18308921
insiders got early models showing the virus is already subsiding. expect these to release to the masses in a week or so.

>>18308920
CARES 2

house and trump want to spend more money and pass it by end of month

>>18308921
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
new projections under 100,000 dead burgers

>still 75% cash
So this is how I miss another bear market rally, huh.

>>18308921
official public models updated changing predictions to much more bullish
New york declined in deaths
models are way off and too bearish

everyone has to update their predictions, aka bullish change, aka BUY more/ cover more.

Rat King ready for my ratty gains. Get ready for news about rats.

>>18308881
They pretty much did though. New York estimated they would need about 35,000 ventilators today. Right now there are only 3,000 people on them

>>18308940
>>18308940
yeah I just mean spain/france/uk/germany and USA's monday numbers

right now we are trading off sunday's numbers. If monday confirms or increases the decline we rocketing 10%

RRRRAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH.
MY BONER IS UNSTOPPABLE.

IM GOING TO GO FUCKING HUNT DOWN THE GHOST OF KNEEPADS AND RAPE IT TO DEATH WITH MY MEGA-BONER.

AS A FINAL ACT, I'LL SNORT AN ENTIRE GRAM OF ADDERALL WHILE MASHING SPXL'S BUY BUTTON.

YOU JUST TRY AND STOP ME, YOU LITTLE PUSSY

>>18308950
can I sue you if my HSD goes down

>>18308863
I think they own the east coast LNG export terminal, but it's tied up along with tons of other utility infrastructure and business lines. Looks crabbish to me. Cheniere is one I've had my eye on as the only other LNG export terminal currently operational, but their stock is staying stubbornly high.

>>18308950
BULLS ALWAYS WIN IN THE END

>82k
>barely 25% more than flu season of 16-17
lmfao. We entered a recession for this

What the actual fuck with this futures market?! 863. I mean, I have mostly longs...my shorts are relatively unimportant. If it rallies this hard I am going to make a lot of fucking money. But why?! It bothers me, and it is worrisome because makes me think of selling or not. Also semi-sucks if this is the recovery point since I got a fourth of my stack still in cash.

>>18308962
Mnuchin is officially the most powerful cabinet member in American history

>>18308940
My theory is that this hit NY back in November and it quietly worked its way through February. Why are we saying "this is gonna be the worst week" when the virus shows symptoms after 2 weeks. And most NY companies have been WFH for at least 3-4 weeks now. I work in NY. EVERYONE was getting sick Nov though feb. Started seeing my coworkers again in march.

OK so bloomberg saying:
>JPMorgan says the rate of innfection dropping, blahbalhwords, fewer stares with 20% rate, bottom is 2100, could be all up from here

I uhhh... I don't know what the fuck to do bros. I might have to by more BRKB honestly....

>>18308973
>lmfao. We entered a recession for this
we entered a recession to keep it at 82k
without the recession it wouldve been a lot larger

>>18308977
ppl have answered a ton of times

IHME updated model
coronavirus numbers are lower then projected
The coronavirus earnings report just beat the whisper estimates

>>18308981
Yeah Italy talked about seeing an uptick in a mysterious illness last November

tesla to moon today?

i was so close to pulling the trigger on TQQQ at close on friday but i let these dumb bobos spook me off of it
never listening to bears ever again bull for life

>>18308981
The Virus is going to be around until there is a vaccine, and that won't come in a year.

>>18308954
MY DICK COULD CUT DIAMONDS RIGHT NOW
YOU CAN CALL THAT MY COLLATERAL, BEAR-KEKS

I STILL DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, AND IT MAKES ME EVEN H A R D E R

>>18308995
I just got here and checked the numbers before bed, spit out my water. It is mother fucking christmas up in here, just upsetting that I wasn't all-in and I might of missed the opportunity to empty the rest of my stack on cheapies.

AND WALLA! THE DOW WILL OPEN AT 22,000 AND NEVER FALL BELOW THAT LEVEL EVER, EVER AGAIN

why is it stuck at +4% and not going even higher if things are all good?

We will hit 270 sometime before EOW. It doesn't matter if the virus sticks around so long as we don't overwhelm the system, which probably won't happen now there's slight herd immunity and there's enough capacity to handle a flattened curve. The total economic damage isn't going to be felt for a while during a month or two of honeymooning. Bears will have to hibernate for at least 2 months, while bulls are going to be on parade for at least a month.

>>18309046
>he doesnt know about future limits

wooooowww educate yourself my dude...

glad I bought calls

BUT I COULD HAVE BOUGHT MORE
FUUUUUUCK

>>18309046
Lol

>>18309054
yikes sweetie, who hurt you? that's a big oof and a bruh moment

>>18309071
kek, I bought calls friday and had to turn off everything till close so I couldn't trade more.

Another week of collecting premium guess

>>18309071
Hah I'm glad I sold my SPY put on Friday. I might take a loss tomorrow on my REM October put, but thats fine.

>>18309089
Isn't friday closed ?

>>18309044
The word is "voila," you ignorant simpleton.

>>18309110
Lurk more newfag.

>there's been literally no positive news
>everything is green
Can anybody explain how the fuck do these permabulls exist?

My pappi just gave me 500 to invest with. What should I buy at open tommorow. I know I won't make any meaningful gains but if I earn 10% in one day he might give me more eventually

>>18309110
just have a BARQ'S! Energy drink and chill out

>>18309110
no that's a string instrument moron

>>18309120
Look at DIX, there are way too many people shorting right now and are about to get squeezed. Also oilfags are creaming themselves.

Can you bulls BEAR this tension ?

>>18309126
MCD and SBUX

>>18309126
SPXL with all 500
if you see a day with red futures sell your spxl and ask us again

>all this bullshit and speculation
>no one even mentions the only actual news

>>18309126
never trust /biz/

Futures are "tanking" but we all know it's only up from here.

>>18309159
>>18309135

>>18309135

>>18309135

New thread, because op is very lazy.

>>18307392
Chevron is such a buy at 69 or lower.

>>18309157
i cannot believe UWT liquidated TONIGHT
adsfhadfshhdsafhdsh
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

comfy with GLD calls

Oh, we are. Seething bearcvcks, let's review the paradigm shift, shall we?

>infections flatlined in Evrope, soon to retvrn to normal - BVLLISH
>China's manvfactvring beat expectations - BVLLISH
>Sovth Korea, Japan has almost no infections - BVLLISH
>low case nvmbers in tropical covntries, svggesting the virvs does not do well in warmer climes, especially svmmer - VERY BVLLISH
>NYC has hit the peak, California, Oregon, Washington all fine and normal - VERY BVLLISH
>prodvction of oil going into rapprochement and fixing global economy very soon - EXCEPTIONALLY BVLLISH
>bailovts and infinite QE - the most BVLLISH thing of all

Yov'd have to be legally blind to not recognize the good news. Step ovtside of yovr /pol/ echo chamber and embrace the bright BVLL fvtvre. Yovr children will thank yov.

BVLL! BVLL! BVLL!

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>>18309135
>>18309135
>>18309135

>>18309158
What about when biz is telling me not to trusts biz? Can I I trust you? Starbucks seems reliable in the long term, will they get more business is china once this is all over? Is LK out if the picture?

>>18309126
It's not about gains in a day. It's about gains over the long term. 10% in a day doesn't matter if you lose it all another day.

>>18307476
oh, sweet, sweet, innocent anon

>>18309071
>IV
https://youtu.be/QFlVNtGJVDU

that timeline don't seem right

>>18308481
automatic $100 per share gain

>>18308719
>>18308770
>>18308787


SPY should be red but most people are stupid so SPY is green tomorrow. the models have NOT been definitively BTFO, its been literally 1 day of data which could easily be an outlier. not to mentio we have other hotspots about to break out into fucking clusterfucks like detroit and new orleans. and nobody is considering the fact 50% of small businesses are getting shuttered next month and never coming back. or the fact all big corps are going to have massive layoffs. the current unemployment numbers are just the beginning. dont even get started on the credit or real estate market. people are retards so instead of fighting against the current with logic and sanity just join the green FOMO wave and stock up on cheap puts at the same time. the feds can print and do a lot but they cant inject enough money to save all these jobs, its literally impossible.

Definetly looks like we are “returning to normal “