/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18214961
>for free
Covid is jannying the economy

>>18214961
Something something globalization, something something outsourcing. Who knew that allowing our chief geopolitical rival to corner the market on manufacturing all of our health care products was a bad idea?

>>18214961
Just make a vaccine you fucking retards

>>18214973
Option A: Supply all employed citizens with high quality masks - 12$ per month and person

Option B: Supply 3 million people with stimulus checks, btw this number doubles every month until summer - 1200$ per month and person

>>18215051
For fucks sake, masks aren't made of rare Earths and micro chips, they're mostly cloth and plastic.
Identify and redistribute raw materials
Coordinate and mandate local production
Organize proliferation
Any non banana republic government could achieve this easily, with a few billion dollars at most, and literally prevent trillions of economic damage and unquantifiable amounts of human suffering.

>>18214961
>Masks stop the spread of Covid
>We don't need ventilators

This kindof stupid can only come from an American

>>18215271
The country is so fucking jewed that the WHO is saying don't wear them because they don't work and you don't need to. Then they sort of back tracked that statement and said you only need it of you're sick. Fucking yanks

>>18215242
They’re working on it but the ramp up takes time. We really do need to reconsider our supply chains to not include authoritarian shitholes with a penchant for unleashing plagues on the rest of the world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellore/2020/03/31/under-armour-manufacturing-face-masks-for-hospital-workers-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/amp/

>>18214961
The people coughing and sneezing who are not covering their mouths are the ones who need to be wearing masks.
That doesn't work in America because retards don't give a fuck if they get other people sick here like they do in Japan.

>>18215321
The WHO are China's lapdog. Stop blaming America you Chink faggot.

>>18215345
Big fines. Retards will be the quickest to become diligent, given that they are most likely to be poor.

>>18215271
We need both of course, but giving ventilators priority over masks is as sensible as hoarders going for TP instead of canned fish.

>>18214961
ssshhhhhh we can't hand out masks to plebs without admitting we've been lying to them for months about N95 filters magically not working for anyone who isn't a health professional.

>How is it possible Western Nations can mass produce highly complex machinery but can't or won't shit out small pieces of cloth?
This was all shipped overseas and all the talent and knowledgebase thrown out based on the advice of (((business school majors))) trying to implement (((economic theories))) about (((efficiency))).

Basically, it was jews.

>>18215242
The government hasn't been staffed by anything close to a meritocracy since Duke v. Griggs Power. What's your actionable plan to repeal that and the rest of the 1965 constitution?

>>18215327
>We
OK, how many tens of thousands of dollars have you donated to congressional races in the past election cycle?

0? You just voted? And you think that balances out the pro-China camp?

>>18215061
Lol no way, this is the world cleansing we've been waiting for.

>>18215527
I’m Canadian fren, my vote is worthless. Please help us America, you’re our only hope.

>>18215551
You think being a foreigner stopped literally thousands of red Chinese from buying out our government since the 90s? Don't let your memes be dreams, Canabro.

>>18214961
>Just Make More Masks You Fucking Retards
We are making more masks you fucking retards, entire factories were reconverted from making clothes or whatever to making masks for hospitals and the few shops still open, people who were laid off are making masks in their garage to distribute in their neighborhood, literally every mask for sale on the global marketplace is instantly snatched up

>>18215436
no enforcement on this level won't matter.
even people who think they are doing everything correctly are not.

>>18214961
>Japan and South Korea proof that it makes a huge difference in preventing the spread and minimizing the impact on the economy.
South Korea and Hong Kong and other countries & territories that have managed or are managing COVFEFE well aren't doing so because of masks.

It's because they had proper military-style quarantines like 3 fucking weeks ago. Not this state-by-state nonsense going on in America.

Also the average person doesn't get the virus from breathing it in, they catch it from not washing their fuckin hands and then making a sandwich or rubbing their eyes.

>>18214961
Got my N95 mask back in Janurary. Tbh, all people who called this a nothing burger deserve to die.

>>18215613
What do you mean by that? Elaborate please.

>>18215639
>>18214961
Oh and Japan is not a country that is handling Corona well. They've done comparatively no fuckin tests whatsoever, there's literally been no quarantine people are just getting on trains and going shopping business as usual for the most part.

>>18214961
>>18215594
hospitals are setting up their own in-house sweatshops with sewing machines to turn leftover sheets into masks, perfume and liquor factories are churning out hand sanitizer, glassmakers are making glass panels to protect cashiers for a quick buck, fucking fetish shops are gifting their stores of masks and gloves (for medical cosplays) to hospitals, people are buying up 3D printers to make DIY whatevers
and it's been going on for weeks before your dumb ass thought to make this thread, do you even read the news?

>>18215321
The gov't only cares about propping big businesses up.

>>18215581
They own our government too. What do?

>>18215103
Option B. Fuck being a wagie

>>18215655
The masks are most effective given to healthcare workers who already have them and infected patients.

Giving masks to people who are asymptomatic or uninfected will just make them feel like they are bulletproof. The primary infection is from hands to face contact. Masks and washing your hands won't do shit to prevent this.

Example:
wearing a mask, carrying the virus on your hands, leaving it on your smart phone, washing your hands, and then later using your smart phone and touching your face.

It's unrealistic to wash your hands after touching potentially contaminated surfaces, it can live up to 2 weeks on hard surfaces, and people are not going to be washing their phones, mouse, keyboard, whatever as frequently as their hands.
We don't need masks if people are staying at home. We need ventilators to save lives. Masks will just encourage people to go out more. The most effective way to avoid spread is to stop spreading and reproducing it, and let it just break down.

>>18215801
>It's unrealistic to wash your hands after touching potentially contaminated surfaces, it can live up to 2 weeks on hard surfaces, and people are not going to be washing their phones, mouse, keyboard, whatever as frequently as their hands.
I was washing my phone with lysol wipes several times a day before this because I have OCD but also that report about how the average phone screen has more human shit on it than the average toilet seat. Same with keyboards.

>>18215801
You're an idiot if you still think it's not airborne at this point. Masks WILL help. Everyone should wear a mask, if they can. No, it doesn't make people feel bulletproof.

Obviously people shouldn't be touching things if they can, but telling people to stand 6 feet apart and they'll be safe, THAT makes them feel bulletproof and puts them at risk of airborne infection when they do that for hours at a time. They should be wearing masks if they're going to be breathing the same air as anybody else.

>>18215694
Yes, but these are examples of local responses and free market adaptation.
What is needed is a coordinated effort to collect data, give out directives and scale production. Gee, I wonder who could provide that? But western governments won't dare to involve the military just yet, due to optics and fear of rustling the stock market further.

It's just so depressing, each new phase of this pandemic is a new display of incompetence and ignorance.

>>18214961
just make masks and sell them so you become a millionaire

>>18215886
>each new phase of this pandemic is a new display of incompetence and ignorance.
You don't like that and you think the MILITARY should get involved?
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php
Skip the article, read the leaked letter. By the way, that Captain absolutely will not make admiral now, because he pointed out his superiors are making bad decisions and it became public. Additionally, at least 5 of his sailors will die anyway as his superiors dilly dally and look for reasons not to give him what he needs, because it would be admitting their own incompetence and ignorance.

>>18215884
It's only airborne after a coof or sneez. If you are far enough away it's going to fall and just cling to all surfaces in the area.
masks won't help much with the primary cause of infection. If you are close enough to people coofing the mask isn't going to do much. fuck off coofers.

Westerners are idiots, more new at 11.

>>18215873
Any cleaning compound like alcohol, bleach, etc... needs to be left to dry on its own so it can break the virus and shit down. If you wipe it down and dry it immediately no time is given for it to break the virus down.
soap works because it carries it away, so if you want to up your game wipe it and let it air dry before then giving it a polish.

>>18215801
good point most people will get it just putting on their masks

>>18214961
Invoke the DPA.
The republicucks scream about how it's "nationalizing the economy" but it's used REGULARLY for building new military hardware. That's how Boeing et al got so fucking fat. Trump is dragging his feet for no reason and I honestly don't know why he's using the "muh gommunism" excuse for this.

I haven't been able to buy bottled water, shit tissue or any form of sanitizer in 2 weeks and you expect us to be able to find masks? Fema is literally hoarding everything.

>>18216071
Way ahead of you

>>18215536
It's cleaning out the sick and weak boomer men. Some virus.

>>18215660
My theory is that the Japanese hate the Chinks far more than anyone else on Earth do.

>>18217797
It’s mutual only the Chinese hate the Japanese out of fear and jealousy while the Japanese hate the Chinese out of contempt for their backward ways, as should we all.

>>18215639
Based spring breakers not giving into the fear.

>>18214961
>South Koreans speak Korean
>speaking Korean proven to reduce virus spread
ahh, brainlets

Uhh... you don’t seem to understand. Western governments want the elderly to die. Why do you think they specifically advise against wearing masks? Because they can’t pay the elderly pensions anymore as the population ages