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>>18099145
I think you’ll definitely get to shoot someone. I haven’t met someone my age from the armed forces yet that hasn’t killed someone.

>>18099145
What branch anon? I'm about to graduate Stanford and thinking I might as well join with this crash

>>18099145
Want to get free PTSD? No Problem
Want to lose an arm and a leg ? No Problem
Want to defend your jewish masters financial interest with your own life in the worst shitholes you can imagine ? NO PROBLEM!

>>18099232
Shut up and read BAP

>>18099169
lol

they are larping

only SF kill

your friends washed their rifle for 5 years

>>18099183
I'd say Army only because you can choose your job. Get the job training then get out and make big money in the private sector.

>>18099145
Fuck off zogbot nigger faggot!!

>>18099232

99% of US military is chair force, only 1% is Seals/Special Forces

>>18099145
I would like to but will get denied because of my hearing disability.

>>18099145
lmao I'm pretty sure it's not even possible to talk to a recruiter now.

>>18099232
Oy vey you've seen right though mt

>>18099319
I went to basic with 3 dudes with scoliosis. They'll give you a waiver for almost anything now.

>>18099264
>I'd say Army only because you can choose your job
Redpill me on this. I'm /fit/, but i know very little about Army. Special Forces, would be best, no?

>>18099370
Scoliosis ranges from hunchback of notre dame to your spine being like a fraction of a degree off straight.

>>18099447
You can't just get into special forces from the beginning, you have to be in the regular army first, do really well, and then be recommended to try out for it. Getting into special forces is HARD.

Sure you want to do that?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/politics/venezuela-trump-administration-terrorism/index.html

>>18099516
You can go in as 18X, I know Snowden tried that but couldn't make it past basic and got medically chaptered.

>>18099516
Can't you with the Navy enlist as SpecOps and then if you fail all the tests, you get shafted somewhere?

What are the best MOS in Army that have the best ROI?

What are your thoughts on enlisting first in the National Guard and becoming an officer there?

>>18099497
We had a dude who looked like an S when he took his shirt off but that was the worst of it.

>>18099586
>Can't you with the Navy enlist as SpecOps and then if you fail all the tests, you get shafted somewhere?
>>18099558
That's what I thought, so the option does exist for Army then. What are some reasons why I would not enlist as 18X at first?

>>18099586
If you wanna do SF do guard as a 12B, 68W, or 11B so you have time to workout unlike actuve duty where they can call you up 24/7 for some dumb shit like painting rocks.

>>18099145

Constant pay is funny, imagine if a real job was listing their benefits and they're like "and that's not all... we'll even pay you for as long as you work here, constantly!"

>>18099145
If this post doesn't perfectly explain the American economy I don't what does.

>>18099657
I tried to go 18X right out of high school but you have be at least 20. From what I've heard if you go in as a 18X you go through basic then straight to selection and if you don't get selected they make you an 11B and that's probably the worst fate in all of the army because you're basically a glorified janitor/gardener but you get a blue cord and that makes up for it, somehow.

>>18099558
18x just gives you the chance to ATTEMPT to get into it. If you fail - and most do - they reassign you into regular infantry or anywhere else they need people.

The military is the most homosexual thing you could voluntarily sign up for in the 20th century.

>>18099183
Go army like the other guys said. If you have to go enlistment, try MI/35 series (35P - Crypto Linguist, is bretty good). If you want to become an officer, don't fret about job choice. I'm in ROTC (been enlisted for 8), and I'm going for something like Signal or Transportation because they all pay the same. Benefits are indeed great if you're an officer. You get base pay and a housing allowance. If you live on post you don't get a housing allowance but you pay no rent. Retire in 20 years with severance. You also get a GI which covers four years of school in case you want to get a graduate degree

>>18099811
11B's still do rank up quickly

>>18100086
> like the others guys said
Sane fagging glow niggers.

>>18099183
Army or Navy if you actually want to do something, Air Force if you wanna be a POG NEET that does nothing but say "m-muh cervix"

>>18099811
>11B and that's probably the worst fate in all of the army because you're basically a glorified janitor/gardener but you get a blue cord and that makes up for it, somehow.
Holy shit lmao
>>18100086
Is there any reason why I would choose not to go down the officer route? Becoming an officer doesn't mean I'll always be a paper pusher right? What does it exactly entail?

>>18100163
Army or Navy if you wanna play soldier while getting yelled at by divorced alcoholics . Air force if you wanna do something a private employer might consider paying you for after you get out.

>>18099169

(Syrian bro)

>>18100114
yeah but because of that we end up sending people to BLC who said they aren't re enlisting and taking that slot from someone who actually wants to be here

>>18100246
But you can't choose your job with airforce can you? At least with army you can get the job training for what you without the possibility of being made security forces.

>>18100395
>But you can't choose your job with airforce can you? At least with army you can get the job training for what you without the possibility of being made security forces.
Don't they heavily weight your ASVAB though? So if you aren't a brainlet, then you shouldn't get a shit job?

>>18100086
How 'frat bro' is the army? I was a fire fighter for a while and could not stand the faggotry of endless 'would you rather do your mom or be done by your dad HAHAHAH!' bullshit.

>>18099145
Would rather buy knee pads then join the army and fight for ZOG

>>18099145
Can't OP, diagnosed with Bipolar when I was 12 so the Military doesn't want me anywhere near a gun. Whats your next suggestion?

>>18100594
But there's the choice in it, you can take the ASVAB as many times as you want to improve your score and you're not locked into a job until you leave for basic.

>>18100735
Combat jobs are one giant frat house and mechanics are 90% country boys. The higher the required ASVAB score for a job the less dick jokes usually.

>>18101539
Why would you buy knee pads in this economy when you get issued a pair from the army.

>>18099145
we can offer you a steady pay and ' comradery'

>>18100395
Of course you can choose your job. Just talk to your recruiter when the job list comes down and if he ignores you and books you for some dumb shit then tell him to fuck off and go to a different recruiter. They have monthly quotas, they want to work with you

>>18099232
Imagine actually picking a combat arms MOS. Let me know how that tactical assignment works out for you.

>>18101633
Don't tell anyone. If you talk to a motivated recruiter they'd probably tell you the same thing.

>>18101695
That's what I told my recruiter. I wanted 12B and he said he didn't have it so I told him to call me when he does and left.

>>18101730
So, you're telling me to lie?
Despite the fact that the moment they find out they will kick me out? That doesn't seem like the American way to me.

I applied to the Canadian military a few years ago, took the aptitude test and was told I was a "superior applicant", but then wasn't allowed to join because I smoked weed within the last 6 months before applying. Now that isn't a problem (weed is legal now in Canada), but I never bothered reapplying.

What does it mean if you're a "superior applicant", or do they just say that to everyone?

>>18101808
How would they know you were diagnosed bipolar unless you tell them? Someone might make a joke or two but no ones gonna send you to a doctor trying to get a diagnosis. Plus if you do get kicked out you'll most likely get a medical discharge which means you get money for the rest of your life from the VA plus the GI bill.

Since this is biz here's how you profit from joining the army:

1. Study, prepare and do well on your ASVAB.
2. Pick a MOS that only smart people can get and translates to good civilian employment.
3. Join the reserves so you can actually go straight into civilian sector after AIB.
4. Get out as soon as your contract is up, don't try to be special or stand out just do the minimum.

>>18101808
Everyone lies. Your recruiters will even tell you to lie. Answer NO to every medical question.

>>18101808
>lying doesn't seem like the American way
Maybe the Army isn't for you after all. Lying is what makes the Army go round.
>Of course I was out police calling the lot
>Of course I finished those counselings
>Of course, I was here the whole Staff Duty shift

>>18099145
Don’t forget about dealing with the lowest of the low retards and niggers who were given the “military or jail” treatment. Oh and theyre also your boss for four years. Don’t forget about the alcoholic fucklords with an ego the size of your mom’s asshole.

>>18099145
But I'm 33

>>18102048
No sarge I wasn't playing video games in my room all day I was doing SSD 1

>>18101937
>Shit happens because its the Military, shit always gets stirred up
>Military starts investigation
>Investigation turns up I failed to report my diagnosis despite it only being tangentially involved in the issue at hand
>Issue gets resolved but a report is still submitted that I failed to report my diagnosis
>Get kicked out, no Vet benefits, no honorable discharge for me
Sorry man, but I don't feel like giving up X years of my life to the Army only to lose everything because some dipshit in my unit goes full retard and starts a chain of events that ruins my life. Thanks for the advice though.

>>18101965
Probably the best plan of action

>>18102095
Cut off age is 34, still time for you to shill for isreal

>>18102095
I joined when I was 27. There were people 35+ in my advanced training class. One of the smartest people I ever met was 36, had a PHD and massive student load debt he was trying to get rid of.

>>18102122
Could always do reserves just for the training and GI bill

>>18102066
I don't get why everybody thinks it's a four year service. Talk to the recruiter about a shorter contract.

>>18102066
Sadly military or jail is no longer a thing. Would love to see the trash of the world sweeping for mines with a push broom while taking fire from sand people.

>>18102183
Because recruiters push four years like their balls are about to be ripped off

>>18102223
It is but not directly. These kids have literally nothing going for them and would otherwise do some stupid shit as a civilian to get them thrown in jail. Again a majority of recruits are absolute fucking retards

>>18102101
>tfw they replaced SSD with some retarded unskippable shit that looks like baby's first computer science project
I feel so bad for all the new soldiers who actually have to sit through that shit instead of just doing the exploit to have it done in five minutes.

>>18099145
Im 36. No army in the world would take me.

>>18099145
>sign your life away into the hands of some ancient jew bankers and die for satan’s agenda
>abandon the 5th commandment for a group of brainwashed goyim masters who dont give a fuck about you
The army is one step away from handing out numbers to soldiers

>>18102283
At least the recruiter is giving little billy the chance to marry a crack whore stripper instead of just a crack whore.

>>18102322
I didn't do SSD 2 in time so I'm gonna have to feel the pain soon enough.

>>18102405
I had a guy in basic who literally looked like and was in fact called Mr. Burns. Go talk to a recruiter, and lie your ass off at MEPS.

>>18101965
>2. Pick a MOS that only smart people can get and translates to good civilian employment.
Name 'em

Been active army for 2 years now, I'm an 88L and I gotta say Im pretty cozy. I invest almost a thousand dollars every month because I have almost no bills besides a phone and car insurance.

Don't go for anything super hooah, ie combat jobs. Pick a solid trade or skill that you think will transfer over to civilian. Also fuck any other branches.

>>18102514

I posted it here> >>18100735
But how bad is the stupid gang/frat mentality? I absolutely HATED how if you werent telling incest jokes and talking about bees flying out your dick you werent 'one of the guys' and hazed for it.

>>18102474
Most 35 series, say hello to your free TS/SCI. Most 25 series that aren't field monkeys (looking at you 25U), 42A if you unironically don't mind being a paperjockey, and certain 68 series jobs (not W) can net good medical certs. Remember that if you go 11B or Cavfag equivalent, I reserve the right to laugh at you.

>>18102474
Find a list of jobs and read the names. There's shit like Geospatial Engineer that is like taking pictures using satellites and shit, like you could probably go mess with satellites for google or spacex for 100k.

>>18099145
I was 11b from 05-10 now I'm living off my VA gibs

fuck off glownigger

>>18099145
>imagine being paid to recruit neets on /biz/
lmao what a loser

>>18102956

It's probably the top option right now, but enlistment is fucked with coronavirus. When there's a lull I'm going to do see if I can join up.

>>18099145
your just a faggit who played army, never actually had any engagements beyond getting mortared at your cop and you are trying to pretend being a soldier is something other than it is. Had dinner a few months ago with 5th group (O-5) retired and we had the exact same assessment of our TIS. I didn't mind gassing haji, I joined on my 17th birthday right after 911, what I did mind was watching good men die for nothing and then seeing those that survived it being set up by the VA to failure. What shitbirds like you who never saw anything like real combat don't get is that you get stuck in a catch 22 if you are fucked up and need help, they will discontinue your help from the VA if you don't take their meds, and most of the meds they are feeding us are simply for some cunt in DC to catch a kickback from the pharmacorp who is bribing them. You tink you have a clue and you are some high speed tough guy with it all figured out, but you are actually a fucking poser who is probably a fucking POG who never saw any combat who is internet tough guying on biz about his larp of a career. I'm not salty about the choices I made, and im well beyond the dark parts of what I went through with a successful biz and senpai, and I run my own VSO helping guys who dealt with similar shit to me, so save you ad hominem cheap shots. I just want to make anyone reading aware that you are a fake bitch.

>>18102648
fortunately you have to be pretty smart to have my job so literally nobody has said dumb shit like that, only thing that kind of annoys me is people bitching about how ass the Army is which eh, i can understand on some days. Only time i hear people say frat bro things like that is if we're working on one of the systems on the boat. It will be typical mechanic talk like "FUCK, GET IN THERE BITCH" "COME on ____ USE YOUR BITCH MITTS" "YOU GONNA LET THAT BOLT KICK YOUR ASS"

>>18103213
Is this pasta?

>>18103213
Wow I haven't seen that one in awhile

What about military intelligence bros? Is it based? How do you get into it?

>>18099145
thats a navy seal. and the only way i would recommend joining the military is if you are retarded and have no other direction in life, or you are genuinly a motivated hard charger fuck. i wish i did better in high school and did something else, not saying I regret joining but this kind of fucking sucks and its barely worth how much i get paid.

>>18103653
>genuinly a motivated hard charger fuck.
elaborate

>>18099710
Not what OP means. You'd have to try really hard to get "fired" in the military, so pay is constant even if you're a fuck up.

>>18103717
I meant it more as you're gonna get paid no matter what happens in the world, even during the government shut down military still got paid.

>>18099264
Thats my plan got mos 68A got bootcamp may 4th. This mos is a sweet gig working in hospitals with all the honies and set to make near 6 figs when i get out. Honestly not a bad option at 25 years of age.

Why risk your life when you can long OGN ZANO and BITCOIN?

>>18099256
does BAP want you to die for globohomo?

>>18103607
MI is an oxymoron. You'll find the people in that field to be pretty average, but there are smart ones here and there. Much more than in other fields I've noticed.

>>18101633
In meps they dont have access to your records even though they say they do. Thats what my recruiters said and i cleared.

>>18103329
I saved it for when you came back.
>>18103307
Yep, that was directed at OP last time he was here.

>>18103838
BAP tells us to join the military apparatus. Read his meme book.

>>18103880
I'm a math major at Stanford who doesn't want to become a corporate bugman. Is joining the military actually dumb if I want interesting work/chance of seeing combat?

Or is it better to just spin off my research to a blockchain company in this shit economy?

>>18103607
I've met 3 MI guys so far. 2 were out and 1 was still in, the guy who was in said he liked what he did and the 2 that are out say they miss it. All you need for military intelligence is to get a high enough score and pass a background check.

>>18103802
I've overhead a conversion between a 68W and a 68A, the 68W was talking to him about re classing to 68A and the guy told him it was chill but it's boring and repetitive. kinda reminds me of when we do weapons services every 6 months with our 91F, we have to go through every weapon in the arms room to check that they're still functional and its boring and repetitive.

>>18103670
marine corps recon school has a 90% drop rate. if you want to actually see any action, you actually have to be strong enough to make it. otherwise you will end up being a POG. take it from someone who is a POG, in an MOS filled with recon drops.
but thats just my branch, i dont know about the army but i hear they get to deploy a lot.

>>18103958
Chances of seeing combat are 0 unless you're special operations or attached to them. Used to see "combat" if you were in a route clearance company but the amount of IEDs is down.

>>18103958
I'm not one to speak on combat (Leg POG here) but from what i notice, joining to see it could be a bit of a gamble. You could end up at a non-deploying unit or whatever. Besides that, as a combat MOS you'll endure quite a bit more bullshit than a higher ASVAB-scoring MOS.

>>18104014
I dont mind the repetitiveness as someone thats had labor intensive jobs that were dead end this is a dream ima finish my education while active and fuck bitches with my future army boys.

>>18099256
Based

>>18099256
Based

>>18100246
>Getting yelled at by divorced alcoholics.
sounds about right. You'll be one of them, sooner or later.

>>18099145
Thanks for confirming that the US military is made of useless bums only good to die for Israel.

>>18099169
lol no
>>18099259
this, most of the killing is done by Apaches, air support or indirect fire (motars, he granades ...).

If anyone in a squad gets a chance to kill or injure somebody, then its most likely the mg Gunner, and at a platoon level snipers.

Also depending on the situation, you may also not know if the hit was lethal or he crawled back into a cave because he was scared or injured.

Also I've never been in combat (combat engineer)