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>>18077604
whatever happen happens bro lol it's just a flu

>>18077604
Hey bro, 3 people liked your "fuck drumph" post on Facebook.

15M to 30M dead Americans

Anything under 50% lethality is not enough
I want to feel actual risk when I roll the dice of life

>>18077604
>t. retard who doesn't understand how fatality rates or comorbidities work.

Here are the facts:
>killed not even 10% of how many die to flu every year
>99% of those who died were over 50
>99% of those who died have at least a comorbidity
>50% had 3 or more chronic diseases
>for 99%+ of the population it's not even as bad as a proper flu
>The US loses 30,000 people annually to flu
>The world loses 500,000
>We currently have 800 US deaths from corona
>And 19,000 globally
>China had peak incidence and recovery within three months
>New cases and deaths in Italy are already declining
>Summer is coming, meaning reduced transmission
>Treatments to reduce symptoms are coming

>>18077657
Chess invites actually.

Would they even try to update us if it was now like 1:20+ fatal? I feel like it'd just lead to panic.

>>18077708
considering all the untested positives, We are most liekly at a sub 1% fatality rate

>>18077708
So they why did Trump and all the governors take our jobs away?

Anyhow, I'm just saying that I've posted these stats like once a week and every time I am told I'm retarded and the rate will go way down in another week and every week it increases.

>>18077708
>>killed not even 10% of how many die to flu every year
A flu season lasts eight months. It's disingenuous or downright retarded of you to compare a couple of months of Corona at most to nearly a full year's worth of flue.

>99% of those who died were over 50
>99% of those who died have at least a comorbidity
>50% had 3 or more chronic diseases
>for 99%+ of the population it's not even as bad as a proper flu
Oh well thank god there's no morbidly obese diabetic retards with fybromyalgia and ashtma all over the country.

>China had peak incidence and recovery within three months
>New cases and deaths in Italy are already declining
China and Italy and most other countries with more than half a brain cell shut that shit down. I mean the whole country went on full lockdown. The American response was of course >>18077641
America is still barely trying to find its own ass and each state is doing its own thing and now with a mini half-lockdown going after not even a week President Grandpa is already going WAH MY ECONOMY HURTS, EVERYONE LET'S GO BACK TO WORK RIGHT NOW ALSO LET'S NOT WASH OUR HANDS SO WE CAN TRIGGER THE LIBERALS

>>18077604
Look at stats from Germany, 0.5% fatality rate.

>>18077730
Cope harder

>>18077604
>Diamond Princess
Fatality rate was less than 2% in a cruise full of elderly people. Stop being a doomer

>>18078155
how are those puts doing, bobo

>>18078064

Japan is like .03%. They have like, 1150 cases or so and 40 some odd deaths.

>>18077708
>99% of those who died have at least a comorbidity
>50% had 3 or more chronic diseases
t. living under a rock & never been to shartlandia

>>18078401
Yea, my point is op is a cherry picking moron

>>18078401
holy fuck you dont know how percentages work lmfao

they only test people if you're deadly ill, sick and at risk, or work with at risk people (retirement home etc.)

>>18078623
believe what you want, but there are very good chances it might make a rampage in the USA and make Italy like a safe haven
why ? USA is the shittiest country when it comes to healthcare
look at the life expectancy of shartlanders vs rest of developped country if you want to get a nice little hint for your underdeveloped sharter brain
SO only time will tell
trump is making a risky bet & so are you, coofboi
now go buy the sucker rally

the tankie overflow from /pol into /biz is almost comical now, if only that rage could be put into something productive like a menial job

>>18077604
That's retarded, it takes a longer time to recover than to die. Not saying that it's just the sniffles, but you're blowing the death rates out of proportion.

>>18078401
Thats 3.5%

>>18077717
I’m listening to the scanner for my rural county which has no confirmed positive cases. They got a call for a 20 year old female with chest pain, fever, and difficulty breathing and then 5 minutes later got another call for a 26 year old female in another town, same symptoms. This is what happens when you are unable to test. The disease is everywhere, but they stopped the states from testing when it would have made a difference. My theory? New York only LOOKS like the current hotspot. But they ramped up testing as a state! Just you WAIT until all states make it to that capacity and our entire country is revealed as the hot spot? Unfortunately I think its coming.

>>18078770
Just hit 'em with this.

>>18077834
USA #1!

>>18077641
Also, why are all of their faces so red? Do these people who go to the beach all the time seriously not know how to use sunscreen?

>>18078937
Usa has the highest rate of testing, 60k+ per day

>>18077686
Inshallah

>>18078401
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STUPID NIGGER

>>18077604
Priced in

>>18078064
>>18078401
Coronavirus only affects ensouled humans, hence the low fatality on these countries

>>18077604
Usa has tested 400k people as of 3/25. 60k (15%) infected, 5k hospitalized (1% of tested total)

These are facts.

>>18078401
> posts on /biz/
> can't achieve basic elementary school arithmetic problem
do you live in the USA by any chance ?

>>18077604
cure is out dude

>>18078901
>I’m listening to the scanner for my rural county which has no confirmed positive cases. They got a call for a 20 year old female with chest pain, fever, and difficulty breathing and then 5 minutes later got another call for a 26 year old female in another town, same symptoms. This is what happens when you are unable to test. The disease is everywhere, but they stopped the states from testing when it would have made a difference. My theory? New York only LOOKS like the current hotspot. But they ramped up testing as a state! Just you WAIT until all states make it to that capacity and our entire country is revealed as the hot spot? Unfortunately I think its coming.
any link to archives of calls ?

>>18079308
Screw that, any calls about LINK?

>>18077604
Whatever, 200 million dead amerimutts is probably already priced into the clown market anyway which will still go green because kikes need to have their bag :D

>>18078770
I'd rather be killed than work,

>>18077641
this. just a flu. i wanna go back to working at starbooks. stop being pussies. we need to show this virus that we're not scared of it. #ReopenAmerica

>>18078917
a dumb facebook meme? good idea, boomer

>>18079353
200 million dead mutts would improve this country by 10 fold.

>>18077708
>haven't even killed in 1 month what the flu does in a year
kill yourself retard

>>18079547
He said,
>killed not even 10% of how many die to flu every year
How many months do you think are in a year, retardo.

>>18079599
Good job being a pedantic faggot.

>>18079745
>math is for faggots

There are MILLIONS OF DEAD CHINESE! They are lying stacks of shit. All Asian countries are LYING!

>>18079931
If it killed anywhere near close to 10% that would be significantly higher than what a flu kills in a month, idiot.

>>18079011
What's the point of testing so many people? I bet there were many infections due to the actual process of being tested. If you feel bad, just go to the hospital and get tested then. Authoritarians countries already figured out how to game the numbers to look good. They know that testing is completely irrelevant except for that purpose.

>>18080029
What's the point of testing so many people? Testing is the only way to understand how it's spreading. The rate of testing reflects how much society is panicking. The rate of infection shows the reality. It's the only tool to fight misinformation and fear.

>>18080007
>The US loses 30,000 people annually to flu
2,500 a month

>Total corona kill
163. And the virus has been on US soil for at least a month.

>If it killed anywhere near close to 10%
But it doesn't.

>>18080152
Now watch what happens when corona-chan gets as many cases as Flu.

>>18078956
They're all out of towners, so no they don't know to put on sunscreen.

Almost all of our cases came from people who went on vacation to either Europe (especially France/Italy) or Florida and then were like "how did I get the virus lol"

>>18080029
>What's the point of testing so many people? I bet there were many infections due to the actual process of being tested. If you feel bad, just go to the hospital and get tested then.
The whole point of us crashing the economy & staying indoors and of course getting tested is to curb the exponential growth of this meme virus that would in reality ruin the economy even worse.

The virus gets passed on to other people, even if you're healthy you can be carrying it and passing it on. If person X is found to be sick then everyone in person X's life should be tested as well. That one attorney in NYC spread it to 50 people, there were cases in Korea of single patients infecting thousands of people via proxy.

So when you're tested and positive for the virus even if you're relatively healthy, you stay indoors and don't pass it on.

It's basic hygiene/medicine.

>>18080152
What's the point of constantly pointing at the numbers and saying it's not a big deal, when we don't actually know the full numbers yet? I remember some idiot saying "Stupid Nevada governor, there are only 50 cases of coronavirus" when he started closing businesses. Now in just a couple days we've got over six times that number. The difference between the flu and the coronavirus is we know the flu numbers, yet people like you are pretending the coronavirus numbers are the final number.

>>18080275
>>18080152
Remember when there was 15 (confirmed) cases and Trump was like "in two weeks it'll be down to almost zero"

lol

>>18080220
You realize 85% of people tested in the US were negative (400k sample)? This implies the actual infection rate for the total population is much lower than 1%, even now. Most people with symptoms have a different illness.

>>18080303
I actually have a good chart of that. People tend to shut up real quickly when I post it.

>>18080318
And actually this is a bit old so it left out how yesterday he said "We win." even though the cases are still increasing.

Markets will soar because every pension fund ever will become solvent. Upward mobility will be like never seen before.

>>18080209
>>18080275
>>18080303
>>18080318
>Just wait until I am right.
No. You are all currently incorrect. You're hoping that everyone will die or that there won't be a quarantine. Your PUTS are going to have you losing money, sorry.

>>18077708
>t. retard who doesn't understand how Statistics work
Even with a 1-2% fatality rate this will kill a few million Americans

>>18080374
On the contrary, I'm hoping that there will be a quarantine, because this is getting ridiculous with how bad it is and how people are still walking around outside like nothing is happening. We need to quarantine until it's over.

>>18080400
If you assume 100% infection rate. Are you retarded?

>>18077604
>he doesn’t know
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfx7PnMtCeY

>>18080404
I agree. And state borders should be closed, except for trucks delivering food and essentials.

>>18080152
Total US dead is 800 as of today

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>>18080499
That's how many mutts die each day from being obese as fuck. Why does this matter?

>>18078064
>>18079218
Its because they actually locked shit down fucking TARDS

>>18080422
The general assumption has been 100-150 million American infected 1-2% of that is in the millions are you retarded?

>>18080152
These people aren't shitposting they seriously have no understanding of exponential growth and somehow can't even understand the concept in retard terms "disease spread therefore more disease in future".
It's crazy how there are so many creatures like this one and humanity still manages to carry these troglodytes into the future.

>>18080540
They didn't lock shit down in South Korea, Taiwan or Japan. Lockdown is an extreme response to panic. It's need is vs. other measures is not proven.

>>18080551
Are a fucking moron? Look at countries that didn't lockdown in Asia. There total population infection rate was less than 1%. You're assuming a absolutely retarded infection rate.

>>18080621
>Look at countries that didn't lockdown in Asia.
Like?

>>18080602
they locked down travel as well the problem is they actually thought ahead of time.

>>18080639
South Korea, Japan and taiwan

>>18080422
Even with a 30% infection rate that would still give you 1M deaths. I personally don't think it's going to go that high, but it will be in the hundreds of thousand.

>>18080646
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075164/south-koreas-coronavirus-response-opposite-china-and

>>18077641
they're all so fat

>>18080566
Yet you didn't understand a simple sentence such as
>killed not even 10% of how many die to flu every year
Nor having any knowledge of "flu season". Just stop.

>>18080152
Flu is endemic.
Why can't you fucking retards understand this?
Like you said, it's only been here a month
The flu has been here for 60 years.

>>18080688
Try less than 1% infection rate for total pop. 30% is also a stupid assumption.

>>18080726
How do you know that there won't be a cure in 12 months (that will prevent death, at least)? How do you know that there won't be a serious quarantine?

>>18080690
SK and japan and most of the places you mentioned are homogeneous countries as well. They view there societies as a extended family. So of course they will actually do shit to avoid spreading. In the US and even in europe you know who is fucking spreading it.

>>18080374
We want people to live you stupid fucking retard.
Except you, I hope you and your entire family die.
You are too fucking stupid to allow to continue to live

>>18080799
Hope you catch the virus yourself, asshole. I'm quarantined and doing my part.

>>18077604

>Mild cases are being missed

This is still the case and the easiest way to wave away these numbers. The ONLY country who did mass testing of people who didn't already think they were sick with a bad case of Wuflu is south korea.

>>18080799
Are you aware of the flu? It kills people every year.

>>18080757
How do you know there won't be?
My scenario isn't taking chances with people's lives, yours is.

>>18080799
>>18080818
stop it, frens

>>18081004
>yours is.
Quote the post where I said we need to take chances with people's lives. Less seething, more reading.

>>18080822

>>18080822

South Korea was also an early adopter of testing, and so it was kept very low to begin with, not close to its peak at all.

Best bets to really measure the extent of this would be mass testing in Spain and Italy. Two weeks from now US, Brazil, and India would also be good candidates for a study because it will be so widespread you could even get away with random trials instead of literally going up to everyone.

Regardless of what happens a great contrast between East and West has been highlighted. South Korea and China (Japan to a much lesser extent because they're bugmen) have a much higher sense of every person being part of a collective. Using South Korea as an example, even the piss poor know they have a part to play in a larger scheme and more or less follow instructions regarding hard quarantine. Even in my case, the government also had the same sense of collectivity and "how will the people earn money" was not even a question here in Singapore (and as you may know we are pretty damn capitalist).

People in the West would say this is complacency and a slave mentality. Perhaps it is, but I don't care about the moral judgement, only in exposing the stark difference in reactions to the disease. Americans especially are far more individualist and in my opinion, it leads to a kind of detachment from group efforts. It's very hard to see community effort in the US nowadays and this causes a large portion of the population to think that the problems of society also do not apply to their personal sphere. Quarantines are hard to pull off to Americans because they believe to somehow exist outside of a larger, complex system where issues can cascade into them in an absolutely random fashion.

>>18078175
Cruise ships treat epidemics very seriously, it was probably the best place to be during a pandemic, well at least best than the USA

>>18081227
They won't listen to reason at all. I'm not even a fucking doomer and I know whats going on is very serious. There is a reason most world leaders are scared of this shit.

>>18080318
Fixed it for you. You're welcome.

>>18081765
There is no reason to lie. No one is falling for it.

>>18077604
It's just a flu we've got to get over
'av a beer
' appy days
Simple as

>>18080152
>Total corona kill
>163.

maybe your beliefs are a product of your ignorance

ITT: Alt-right /pol/ LARPers devolve into seething liberals when they realize their careers are useless and want handouts. If you're not currently working or working from home, congratulations; you're part of the next great culling.
Healthy people under 40 need to just have coronavirus parties and get over this shit. Don't be fooled. This issue is not about health, it's politics and projection slipping under most of your noses because ALL media is influencing you, it's not left vs right this time.
I'm placing my bets on this Influenza B killing 5x the number of COVID-19 deaths this fall.

Fatality rates assume full 1st world medical care.

>Another recent study, considered the largest on COVID-19 cases to date, researchers from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Protection, analyzed 44,672 confirmed cases in China between Dec. 31, 2019 and Feb. 11, 2020. Of those cases, 80.9% (or 36,160 cases) were considered mild, 13.8% (6,168 cases) severe and 4.7% (2,087) critical. "Critical cases were those that exhibited respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction/failure," the researchers wrote in the paper published in China CDC Weekly.

If 4.7% get sepsis or respitory faliure, then mortality can trend up near that mark as hospitals collapse. If you get sepsis on a field bed in some stadium you are going to die. If you get respitory faliure in a gymnasium that is out of ventilators, you will die.

At a certain rate of collapse a 13% hospitalization rate means you can get 5% mortality from a disease that would otherwise be around 1% or less

America's underlying health and actions follow Italy a lot more than South Korea. Once we incubate 100 million cases everyone else is fucked too.

>>18080315
>400k sample
>327 million population

>>18081983
OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC DEATH RATES OF 50%

Even then it'd accomplish nothing. You have to be an optimist.

>>18082511
Why do you react like this to getting proven a liar? Why can't you just admit you're wrong?

>>18077604

Well this is a dumb thread.

For every person that's been tested there are numerous others with it who have mild or no symptoms at all. These people obviously aren't going to be tested.

The number of people with the virus is almost certainly multiple times higher than the official tested figures. That's why it's spreading so quickly, as it's impossible to stop the spread caused by asymptomatic carriers.

>>18082558
Not so much a liar, but I got the number from an article that was evidently "updated" today except the part about the deaths. I was incorrect about 163 at the time of posting.

Imagine being a super spreader lmao

We 16% now.

>>18081765
Simply epic

>>18080374
How can you see exponentially growing numbers and just assume they'll magically stop?

>>18077834
China is lying about the deaths as well.

>>18082814
>How can you see exponentially growing numbers and just assume they'll magically stop?
>Magically
Depends if you consider harsher measures such as lockdowns "magic". I don't get how most of you don't understand I was arguing the logic of one single anon (who told another anon to kys for bringing up a point).

>>18082932
>lockdowns
>"magic"
President grandpa is on twitter all-caps posting about how everyone needs to go back to work after just like 4 days of quarantine lol

>>18083082
I'd like to know what happened between "this is war" and "go back to work wagie". Obviously Trump knew the economy would tank by forcing businesses to close.

>>18080621
Americans will never be Asian.

>>18077604
You're an idiot. Per CDC numbers the deaths vs confirmed cases in America are a 1.3% fatality rate.

>>18083310
>confirmed cases in America
Meanwhile per capita you're testing more or less the same number of people as Vietnam.

>>18077834
Fuck off retard
>Inb4 only serious cases of corona get reported
Many people don't go in for a light flu either, and that would just mean corona is even more infectious.

>>18083583
Fuck me, I meant the reply for
>>18077708

>>18083583
I'm sorry what, did you reply to the wrong post or post the wrong jpg or something cause what you're saying and posted doesn't negate what I said

>>18077604
here's some autism numbers going off 2018 american population demographics and chinese mortality rates.

dunno if china mortality is applicable to americans given differences in health care, genetics, and general health, but the numbers are accurate

>>18077834
Lmao that pic was drawn by a lib who is jealous of Brad's looks

>if I get corona i get corona

>>18078401
so i bought BTC at 10k and sold at 5k, I only lost 0.5%?? that's fucking amazing

>>18080639
Malaysia, Vietnam, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Indonesia

>>18080621
>>18084033
>If a country does no tests, that means there are no infections!

Galaxy brain levels of genius logic from this board as always

>>18077604
there are 5 million people with it right now that will never know they had it. please add that to your base number
Furthermore in the 3 months of this pandemic it has killed
.000278% of people on earth

>>18083723
Off for two reasons.

1. You're assuming 100% of those populations get it, but CDC was estimating closer to 40-70% before a vaccine gets into wide use. That is a huge range and denotes how little is known about the actual R0 and how much it can be reduced. China suggests a true shut down can reduce it enough for contact tracing to work, but China shut down way ahead of where the US and Europe already are.

2. Lethality in Wubei was over 5% due to the collapse of the healthcare system. Outside it was around 1%.

It really depends on how much it fucks with the system. CDC models basically ignored this, probably because the result would cause panic.

If you're talking slow, but eventual shutdown, maybe as low as 250k. If you're talking only moderate and uneven shutdowns, with reopenings in between, it could hit those low million figures.

If you're one of the super retards who suggests doing absolutely nothing and 40% of people get it in 6 months you could have full chaos and it would spiral out of control.

I'ma peg it at a big crisis in the US leading to full shut down, only 500k dead, tardos use that as evidence that we shouldn't have done anything.

Now the dipshit is on TV spouting some more bullshit. Here we go again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6nLfCbAzgo&feature=youtu.be
watch vid, make models. brainlet here don't know numbers.

>>18078917
Thanks, there's a seething landlord in another thread I can use this on.

>>18084169
Who Kramer?

>bunch of Republican voting boomers and incels die
not a big loss desu

>>18078956
They’re white

>>18077641

fucking normies man, lmao.

>I'M PARTYYYYYIIIINNNNGGGGGGGGG

>>18078175
It was actually only 1%

Doomerfag leftoids are retarded.

>>18078764
Low IQ seething leftoid

>>18080209
It won't. It's a fucking nothingburger Now stfu and go back to the tranny discord you came from.

cfr up 119% to 4.5% in 48 days despite largest lock down action in history

>>18080551
You have to be trolling right? Nobody can be this stupid. Nobody.

0.006% of China got infected and they had it the longest.

Now KYS

>>18077604
virus hoax starter pack
http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf
http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf
http://www.whale.to/a/infectious_scares.html
https://youtu.be/3cnlynJZLtM
https://vexmansthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/bc3a9champ-or-pasteur-a-lost-chapter-in-history-of-biology.pdf

>>18082814
Because they always do retard.

>>18086601
anon what is cfr ? please spoonfeed me here

>>18084395
You mean democrat voters. Is this why leftoids are seething?

>>18086674
NO NO NO.

EXPONENTIAL GROWTH CONTINUES FOREVER.

JUST LOOK AT STOCK MARKET. 7% RETURNS. EASY MONEY.

>>18086685
Case fatality rate.
It's an almost useless number used to make all kinds of really fucking retarded predictions, and this is why the leftoids love it.

Example:
4 very old people go to the doctor because they are sick.
4 people get tested - all positive
3 people die, one from a heartattack, one because he slipped and hit his head in the bathroom.

>leftoids and mainstream media get a hold of this data

WE ARE CURRENTLY PROJECTING A CFR OF 75% WITH A 100% INFECTION RATE. I REPEAT - ONE HUNDRED PERCENT INFECTION RATE.

IF YOU UNDERSTAND EXPONENTIAL GROWTH THAT MEANS 327 MILLION AMERICANS WILL GET IT - JUST WAIT - AND OVER 250 MILLION AMERICANS WILL ALL DIE BY DROWNING IN THEIR OWN BLOOD.

THESE NUMBERS ARE THE FACTS!!! EXPONENTIAL GROFH!

>>18086881
pretty sure I didn't ring your bell, droompfer

>>18078917
Haha, a nigger telling me to get a job. Good one, saved thanks guy

>>18080566
based

>>18077641
>Brady Sluder
>Atlantis Walker
Be honest, which name would you rather have?

>>18077604

China lied, people died.

>>18086685
case fatality rate or deaths per confirmed cases.

the cfr of the seasonal flu i 0.1% and the flu kills average 500k people per year which means there are 500,000,000 cases of seasonal flu per year.
If we assume covid 19 will produce as many confirmed cases as the flu and the cfr does not change you will see 22 million dead globally.

given that this is worse than the flu it's reasonable to expect the confirmed cases to be higher (covid 19 cases will hit 500m by june at current rate) and as hospitals become more overloaded it is reasonable to expect the cfr to continue to grow.

Say confirmed cases reached 30% of the global population (2.34B) and the cfr grew to 8% you would have 187million dead. Would reach that case rate by june at current rate

When you see the growth factor (new cases today/new cases yesterday) become less than 1 consistently we are halfway to our total confirmed cases

>>18077604
rip city dwellers

good thing de blasio kept the schools open forever

>>18078064
that will rise, it takes time for the virus to kill people

>>18087072
Whereas,
>China = Eric Holder
>people = Paul Walker

>>18086604
They did a full proper lockdown. The US economy is so fucked Trump is going to get the workforce going again in 2-3 weeks and it will cause most of the population to be infected in waves, and just make the whole thing 100x worse

>>18087228

I don't understand. Is this something that I should have been watching the mainstream media to understand, because I don't really watch the mainstream media?

>>18087285
>mainstream media
Much on the contrary.

Lurk moar.

>>18086704
>why is the largest city and biggest travel hub in the U.S. and most important trade hub in the western world the most infected city in the country? Why isn’t it some flyover shithole no one visits?
>I know! It must be because they elected a guy with a (D) next to his name!

Lol ok retard

>>18087130
If we assume the cfr is a function of how overloaded hospitals are then you could see a cfr of 13% in may.
Hopefully we begin to see case growth factors below 1 very very soon otherwise you might see 300m dead worldwide or more if the confirmed cases/actual cases is above 30%

>>18077641
>Brady Sluder
>Brianna Leeder
>Atlantis Walker
>Shelby Cordell
>Ni Smith
>Bryson Taylor
What the fuck are these names? Do Americans seriously name their kids like this?

>>18087277

China did their lockdowns late, when they should have been done a few weeks earlier.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2020/03/14/china-may-prevented-95-virus-cases-acted-silenced-whistleblowers-warning/

>>18087306

I've been over on the /cvg/ coronavirus general threads on /pol/, haven't been much to /tv/, /lit/ and /co/ which is where I usually was before the coronavirus situation started in late January.

>>18087453
spanish flu killed 2.7% of the population

which today would be ~210million

>>18087470
>Do Americans seriously name their kids like this?

yes

>>18087491
maybe but when they did do the lockdowns they did them properly. none of the western world has.

>>18087071
Atlantis Sluder

>>18077708
This, how is 9/11 a tragedy if ummm people die from flu

>>18087277
South Korea 9137 infected - 51.4 million population
>0.018% infected

Japan 1,307 infected, 126.8 million population
>0.001% infected

Taiwan 235 infected, 23.7 million population
>0.00099%

Singapore 631 infected, 5.6 million population
>0.011%

India 657 infected, 1.34 billion population
>0.00004% infected

Not a single fucking country has over 1% of their populations infected, let alone 0.1%.

Is it time for you to find a noose?

>>18077604
These numbers are essentially useless
>countries are reporting Corona deaths under different criteria
>many people who have confirmed Corona are not followed up on after recovery
>death numbers are way more accurate than confirmed case numbers since cause of death needs to be determined versus many having moderate or mild symptoms and not seeking medical care or testing
>many infected are asymptomatic
>infected numbers are likely 10x to 1000x the amount of confirmed cases, making the death rates well under 1%.

I'm not saying this virus is the flu, but these numbers are easily misinterpreted and really paint an inaccurate picture of the whole story regarding this pandemic.

>>18087402
Cope leftoid

>>18087285
Eric Holder had Paul Walker killed

>>18087585
>Not a single fucking country has over 1% of their populations infected
Yet it's already the fastest spreading pandemic this century. Also official numbers of infection are not realistic since most people who get it dont show any symptoms or only show mild symptoms.

>>18087541

I think Communist China did the lockdowns "properly" after they sent in the military, which was after that large and sudden increase in cases after they changed the definitions of who has Covid-19, allowing for CT scans and clinical diagnoses to confirm cases, instead of just using the testkits which were in short supply and unreliable. Anyone else find it odd that now Communist China has a lot of testkits that they are sending to Europe and other countries. I heard that they deliberately sent few testkits to keep the number of confirmed cases low.

>>18087659

Oh.

>>18087661
>Also official numbers of infection are not realistic since most people who get it dont show any symptoms or only show mild symptoms.

That's the entire fucking point, it's the fucking flu.

All I hear from you is fucking cope.

It's a nothingburger, these are the facts. Time to KYS.

>>18087740
>That's the entire fucking point
Your point was to show that infection %'s are tiny, not that the death % was tiny. The thing is, even with the non-reported cases taken into account, this would still be a higher fatality rate than the flu. Which makes sense considering it's actually a new strain of SARS and not really like the flu at all.

>>18077834
I have chronic diseases, and I’m under 50, and yes, it’s genetic, not lifestyle based. So fuck off faggot

>>18077604
>deaths 15%
who the fuck are these people lmao did they take this statistic from a fucking nursing home

>>18087635
Enjoy November lmao

>>18077641
+

>>18087740

"That's the entire fucking point, it's the fucking flu."

It's actually a very contagious version of SARS, the virus is literally SARS-CoV-2. If you think it's just the flu, go and get infected.

>>18077708

>>18077604
>DEATHS ARE NEARING A 100% RATE
>EVERYBODY PANIC
>WE SHOULD NEVER LEAVE OUR HOMES EVER AGAIN

I'm so sick and fucking tired of you faggots. I will literally cough on you in real life and cough on your whole family as well. Fuck off forever you dumb cunts.

>>18080318
All those are cherry picked and not in context.

>>18088020

If you infect me, I'll grab a heavy rock or stone and make sure you won't be able to cough on anyone else again.

also what did contagion mean by this

>>18088150
What happens October 3rd?

>>18077604
STONKS GO UP! BRRRR BRRRRRR MONEY COMING!!! THIS GREATEST COUNTRY IN WORLD. VERY WEALTHY! IF THERE IS 15%。FATALITY RATE PLUS GLOBAL ECONOMY SHUTDOWN PLUS 20% UNEMPLOYMENT PLUS NATIONWIDE FORECLOSURES PLUS BANK COLLAPSE PLUS HOSTILE CONFRONTATION WITH CHINA THEN STONKS DEFINITELY 1000% GO UP TO ALL TIME HIGH!!!

>>18081765
>>18080318

archive.vn/U38tF

"Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response"

I hate ForeignPolicy.com, but this article has a point.

>>18088132
sure you would tough guy *coughs on you and runs away*

I run a sub 6 minute mile, you'd never catch me my man :) enjoy the rona

>>18088235
it's an american movie 10th of march

>>18082640
you're moms a super spreader

>>18087906
All states go red, and you will keep crying like a bitch.

Screencap this.

>>18088366
She super spreads dem legs

>>18087955
I wouldn't even know how to get infected if I wanted to, as I literally know 0 people who are, and I know 0 people who know of any people who are.

That's how you know it's so dangerous and super duper infectious, there's nobody who fucking has it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU-79l52oDo

australia fatality rate less than 0.5%

>>18086461
>>18086479
>>18086604
>>18086704
>>18086881
>>18087585
>>18087635
>>18088554
>>18087740
You seem a bit obsessed and desperate.

>>18088660
no one knows the fatality rate because we can't measure cases that aren't symptomatic

there's astounding amount of retards in this thread. Who's paying shills to shut it down the chinese or the us?

>>18088711
so it will be even lower than 0.5% then

>>18077604
>Believing CCP official numbers
>In the current year
ISHYGDDT

>>18088722
it will be lower than the case fatality rate
the case fatalit rate is currently 4.5% which is 44x worse than the seasonal flu
and not only that it's growing >>18086601
despite the most unprecendented lockdowns in human history

Lots of asymptomatic people tested positive.

Death rate is probably sub 3% if you can get a respirator.

>>18088711
THIS! THIS! THIS!

I'm convinced this board is 90% zoomer faggots who shill crypto and have never paid their own taxes. Would explain their lack of criticality or understanding when looking at data as well.

I still can't believe the number of retards who keep insisting that this illness is just a mild cold.
If you catch this, there is about an 80% chance you will to some degree suffer the most horrible illness of your entire life.
That doesn't mean you will die or even have to go to the hospital, but it will fuck your shit up.
Are they just in denial?

>>18088711
>>18088794
>>18088848
I honestly believe it's people who are genuinely stupid. Like they're not even shilling, they're either dumb enough to believe they're not in danger, or just in extreme denial because they understand the implications of it being this bad, and don't want to believe that such a crisis could happen in their lifetimes. Perhaps even blind faith that "the government wouldn't let this happen to us."

How many people were about to die anyway and Corona just accelerated it a few days? Many people who have been infected have zero symptoms so it is impossible to confirm an accurate death rate, only that it is necessarily lower than what the numbers say. Countries which test more have a lower death rate, implying that the disease is more widespread and less deadly than expected.

>The modeling by researchers at Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates the COVID-19 virus reached the UK by mid-January at the latest, spreading undetected for more than a month before the first official case was reported in late February, the Financial Times reports.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-may-have-already-infected-half-of-uk-study-says/amp/

>A family from East Sussex may have been Britain’s first coronavirus victims, catching the virus in mid-January after visiting an Austrian ski resort which is now under investigation for allegedly covering up the early outbreak.

>If confirmed with official tests, it would mean the outbreak in Britain started more than a month earlier than currently thought.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/uk-patient-zero-east-sussex-family-may-have-infected-coronavirus/

>>18088613

https://files.catbox.moe/3ns6c1.mp4
https://pastebin.com/RB1TZEF1
Transcript of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AI3R41dGnU
https://pastebin.com/BFCuFYr6

>>18088777
spanish flu mortality rate was 10% for context

>>18088863
it's just the hubris though. fair enough if you bait an argument by acting foolish but these retards aren't trying to learn

>>18088883
>it is impossible to confirm an accurate death rate
that is why people model with case fatality rate

>>18087635
ok droompfus

how we doing with flattening the curve in burgerland?

>>18088928
>that is why people model with case fatality rate

yes and its possible that it is quite far off, as demonstrated by the two articles, one about researchers in Oxford, which ought to provide some credibility to the argument, and the other confirming one of the suspicions of the Oxford team

>>18087072
i had no fucking idea that CHina was the world government! Why hasnt china protected us from the was in IRaq or from terrorism?

>>18088928
>spanish flu mortality rate was 10%
was 5% at most

>>18089022
false
6.7%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

>>18088978
one state literally has more infected people that almost every country on the planet right now.

>>18088983
the cfr is growing contrary to that idea

>>18089072
>confirmed cases
Again, going by official cases is silly because most people who had it went undiagnosed. This brings the actual death rate down significantly
>If we rely on the estimate of 50 million deaths published by Johnson and Mueller, it implies that the Spanish flu killed 2.7% of the world population. And if it was in fact higher – 100 million as these authors suggest – then the global death rate would have been 5.4%.10
https://ourworldindata.org/spanish-flu-largest-influenza-pandemic-in-history

>>18089072
this is wrong my fault

>>18078901
I live in rural area. It's amazing what living in a place so poor can sometimes be a blessing. No piece of shit immigrants constantly traveling to your home and spreading disease. Wonderful to be forgotten by globalism sometimes

>>18078412
>sage as name
lol'd desu

>>18077604
how bad will markets react when it starts becoming apparent this bug is 1:1 fatal?

>>18089106
Kek, thank you burgers makes me being spanish less shameful.

>>18078937
>india near bottom of curve
so at last this was their plan to become a superpower by 2020. process of elimination

>>18089309
84% of closed cases have recovered

>>18089309
Badly...who gives a fuck about stocks when you're dead

>>18089226
oompa oompa

>>18077604
Too many tards to reply to, but for a business and finance board, y'all don't seem to understand how percentages or projections work. Imagine being so stupid you think that kill counts are at all relevant beyond determining mortality rates. Imagine being so stupid that you don't understand that at any given time, deriving a mortality rate by cases/deaths will give you a number lower than the true rate, as patients have yet to die. Imagine being so stupid that you don't understand that the most susceptible die first, and therefore in the early stages most of the dead had preexisting illnesses. Imagine being so stupid that you think there are partisan positions on the threat of the virus. Imagine doing all of this, then trying to manage a portfolio.
>>18077708
This guy will be eternally poor lmao

>>18089112
we'll find out once proper mass testing begins then, though it seems so gar that mass testing supports the conclusion it is less dangerous than suggested

>>18080318
MIGAdudes on suicide watch

>>18077780
Because it was good for progressives to crash the economy while looking like they care about the common man

>>18080688

There were only 2.5 million people, total, who died in the US last year. Hundreds of thousands in a two month span, especially if it gets to 10s of thousands in NYC alone (and it probably will), is still a bunch of dead bodies piling up faster than they can be buried or cremated without mass graves and cremations.

>>18088235
>March 10th

>>18080778

Rich international leisure and business travelers? That is literally the group that's hit first in each US city that's had COVID outbreaks. Colorado ski resort towns, New York and LA elites. Cruise ship passengers. Etc.

>>18077686

Everywhere I look fat people who treat their bodies like toxic waste dumps.

Can't say I'm that sympathetic. Karma seems to be punishing boomers and unhealthy people.

>>18080318
When you realize these numbers are cumulative you realize it's no big deal.

>>18078901
think it though anon. if the virus is already everywhere and there are an unknown, but significant amount of unconfirmed cases.....the mortality rate on this virus is way lower than we are being told. it's making the rounds and has been for weeks (months?), but we aren't all dropping dead, are we?

>>18087708
even if they didn't die absolute gorillions got infected in China. If they admitted the numbers they would have lost support internally so we aren't going to be hearing the true figures for a while.

>>18080029
I would love to see some reliable data on what % of the population is manifesting as mild or asymptomatic....cause I'm betting its a lot. so many of us have probably already had this and didn't even know it desu.

>>18089388
Wait and see for those cases to be reinfected and die.

>>18089969
Or... the deaths aren't being reported. How did you not think of that one?

>>18087592
you got it anon. this is what I'm seeing as well. guaranteed the numbers of cases are way higher than what has been confirmed. especially in the US with such shitty testing. both my kids had corona symptoms last week....fever only lasted a day and they had a few more days of mild cough. my own symptoms from whatever they had were so mild it isn't worth reporting. was that it? I don't know, cause they weren't tested for corona. they are only testing extreme sickness and if you've been in contact with other corona patients in the US, or at least in my state.

>>18090099

T. Lots of "pneumonia" out there killing people but not included because no tests. Our official numbers of cases are from a week ago.

>>18090099
deaths aren't being reported...in the US? come on dude. the only reliable data we have on this is number of deaths

>>18077641
It's pretty fucking bad.
https://medium.com/@MSF_USA/i-survived-ebola-i-fear-covid-19-f7b7e9e52722

>>18090292
If we don't have a reliable number of cases, why on earth would we have a reliable number of deaths?

>>18090274
This guy knows what's up.

>>18089969
>the mortality rate on this virus is way lower than we are being told.
no one knows the mortality rate because you cannot measure asymptomatic cases
>>18090233
>>18090019
You can't get that data that's why they model with cfr.
The confirmed cases growth factor is still above 1
the cfr is growing.

>>18087819

Wrong. More die people from the flu annually than the number of people killed by COVID-19 to date.

>>18091689
You’re a dumbass if you can’t see how pointless it is to compare those two numbers ALONE

>>18091735

And you're an idiot if you think that Corona is as bad the media is hyping it up to be. There's an established pattern of global pandemics occurring every 5 to 7 years. If you've survived SARS and the Bird Flu you'll survive this current pandemic.

>>18091832
where in my post did I say anything in support of the media? cope and project harder, I’m just calling you out for using numbers that are arbitrary in the context you gave. if anything, I’m helping you improve your argument in the future. moron.

>>18077834
>Italy
>half a brain cell
No.

Well, /int/.

Are you a fat shit?

>>18091868

You and I are influenced by everything around us. The fact that you're here shitposting on a Korean milf forum comparing Corona to other illnesses implies that your own thoughts have been influenced by media which pushed you into discussion about the issue.

>I’m just calling you out for using numbers that are arbitrary in the context you gave

If my numbers are speculation then all the data and statistics around the virus are equally speculative because we know very little about the virus. So your point is completely asinine.

>>18092101
so you think corona virus will kill less people than 500,000 (average seasonal flu deaths)

>>18088099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7_t2Ri2Zg

>>18080515
This

>>18077604
>"that's just bad Chinese medical care"
Things noone ever said

>>18093870
I saw people saying that all month. "China has one of the worst healthcare systems in the world, it will be no problem when it comes to America." Turns out people were seriously underestimating the virus.

>>18080527
That's how many people get run over in China in the amount of time it took me to type this.

>>18094446
You are on 4c, "noone" means pol. Sorry if you listened to your normans but you should know better

>>18094545
>Things noone ever said
>Noone means pol
>Things pol ever said

So /pol/ said it? And by the way fuck off with the "/pol/ represents all of 4chan" bullshit. You people say "muh /pol/ boogeyman" then you turn around and say "4chan is /pol/". It's tiresome. This is exactly why nobody likes /pol/. You're all just irritating, and not in an amusing way. In a bratty child sort of way.

>>18077604
My ultimate prediction is this is the beginning of the boogaloo we always wanted. This disease is going to last 2 years and kill a higher percentage of people than Spanish flu clocking in about 1 billion deaths worldwide.

>>18077641
You just know that fat black girl is a great fuck. Obese as hell, but a cute face if you look at it the right way. And that bubbly niceness and positivity 20% of black girls have (the other 80% being catty ghetto jazebels). Yeah, I'm thinking I'd smash.

>>18077706

>>18077706
A dice has 6 sides, so 15% is pretty close to rolling a dice anon

>>18077708
>next Monday
>killed not even 20% of how many die to flu every year

>>18080357
He said "We're winning the battle" and that he wants to open up 19 days from then.

>>18077641
Americans deserve what is coming

>>18094764
No, he literally said "We win." I don't know why you're trying to lie when there's video evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N4y6KY2msg#t=38s

And Easter won't be anywhere near enough time to be done with this. He's desperate for it to be over so that he can claim he saved the day, but the death toll keeps rising. What an embarrassment.

>>18088711
this means that the officially reported fatality rate based on confirmed cases is the upper bound.

>>18077604
Everybody knows Asia will recover, and is already almost back to normal, aside from some retail in China. However, that doesn't even matter.... see also : Luckin Coffee stock. Crab city, even uptrend on some.

Conclusion : All in Nervos for generational wealth in 2022. CKB will be the true oil.

>>18077604
>The leaked early March CDC projection had a maximum 1% fatality rate and predicted 2.4 million dead in America in a year.

That was if no mitigative action was taken at all

>>18094820
Ah, he said "ending the battle", not winning the battle. (Then he says "We Win".) Still, I don't see how that's different. We're on the same side here.

>>18095073
Saying that "we're near the end of the battle" isn't true either. Maybe you get it, but I don't want us to downplay his sheer idiocy in claiming this fight is even close to done. Half the states in the country haven't even STARTED quarantining, because they still think they can get away with ignoring the coronavirus. And here he is talking like it's almost over. He's always done this, like he has some sort of god complex where he thinks he can state something and reality will contort itself in order for it to become the truth. The conservative media certainly tries it.

>>18086942
>Dear peasants that concern themselves with their 401k and not a trust fund

>>18077604
The original predictions still ring pretty much true as long as our country doesn't completely screw the pooch dealing with this thing like Italy did. In that case we're completely fucked.

>>18095073
He's made some excellent calls

>>18079080
DAC?!