/biz/ - Business & Finance

they should invent a number that’s not positive or negative and then change the interest rate to that

>>17811738

So will BTC do it’s job or lose another 50%?

>>17811754

So... Zero?

>>17811771
bullrun isn't over. we are in 1987

>>17811738
This is pure desperation. If the market shits the bed like last week after this we are truly, 100% fucked! As in economic collapse, dollar worthless fucked.

>>17811738
Retard here. What does this mean?

>>17811774
no no, like an entirely new number. like a quantum interest rate, like maybe there’s interest but maybe not

>>17811738

>>17811801
That's a good idea actually

>>17811801
Don’t give the kikes any bright ideas anon

>>17811799
You remember 2008?

>>17811833
Yes, but please explain in great detain what will happen next so I can masturbate.

why does the fed exist
why are we not on the gold standard

>>17811841

>>17811841

How do Gold standardfags defend the Great Depression? We've never had anything like that since.

>>17811799
They’re extremely desperate

>>17811840
interest rates at 0% mean debt with no additional overhead, which means increased borrowing and spending in theory. It's meant to stimulate the market and encourage spending.

>>17811820
>>17811827
dudes I just had another idea, how about a lottery interest rate, basically whenever you take out a loan there’s a random chance to win a prize, like a boat or $50 gift card

>>17811754
They are actually called imaginary numbers.

>>17811905
Just like the money in the banks.

>>17811858
The 1920-21 depression where the exact opposite of what was done in the Great Depression was done, over in a year. Never heard of it huh? Funny how it doesn't match the narrative of "we need to government to be all powerful" they don't teach it government schools.

>>17811801
>>17811895
fucking kek someone delete this thread before our entire timeline gets ruined by this anon's bright idea

>>17812014

What does this have to do with what I said? What a terrible response. I'm a conservative but I'm skeptical of gold purists. What happened in 1929 was basically a crash without brakes precisely because of the gold standard, the government and banks had no wherewithal to navigate or mitigate the effects.

>>17812039
Well you don't understand my post you clearly don't understand the history of the Great Depression. Otherwise you'd know what the opposite actions would be.
>the government and banks had no wherewithal to navigate or mitigate the effects
O i am laffin.

>>17812039
Why did we not have a great depression those 140 years without federal reserve

>>17812095
We had a Long Depression (sometimes called The Great Depression until 1929 happened) that began in the 1870s.

>>17811858
>thing 1 happened when thing 2 happened
>haha thing 1 caused thing 2

>>17812095
Because land was cheap and people once lived off it you fucking degenerate

>>17812095

Because we were a backwater country without a relevant national economy

>>17812088

Sure thing bud. I mean, I'm here to be convinced and you basically sat there and dropped a lame whatabout and bounced .Gj!

>>17811801
>>17811801
>like a quantum interest rate, like maybe there’s interest but maybe not

>>17811858
>suspend gold standard during WWI
>economy catches up after war
>wtf gold did this
yeah ok

>>17812037
God I love this gif

>>17811905
based but AKSHUALLY
t. stemfag

Dismdnt Trump tweet the biggest stock gains ever as if it fixed the market's? He even delayed the speech for the eod dump. So what are the feds realizing the situation is clearly much worser than they thought?

Next year I might be able to afford a house!

>>17812106
>government stops silver being used to combat inflation
>created huge deflationary depression
Good work government, please keep interfering with money.

>>17812130
>whatabout
Take your lame Reddit non arguments elsewhere. If you understand the 1920-21 Depression you know what the answers are.

>>17811738
>zero interest rates

recession confirm.

>>17812139
>reeee stop looking at the historical records! WW2 was the cure reeeee!

>>17812198
What are you fucking on about you dipshit? The fed printed ridiculous amounts of money to fund their efforts in WWI. How do you think it kept GOING despite the fact that everyone fighting was fucking done with it? Look at the inflation rate during WWI. Governments then tried to MAINTAIN their fucked up peg rather than re-pegging it. Probably wouldn't have fucked the economy so bad if they had just admitted they fucked up and changed the exchange rate.

>>17811754
0/0?

BTW, if they are cutting interest rates, you want to buy TLT.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/031915/overview-tlt-etf.asp

>>17811841
Because it gives kikes control.

>>17811754
0##000##0?

>>17812226
I'm making fun of the retards that just follow the dumb shit they learned in school. These cunts thing WW2 was the cure.

>>17812265
Oh ok. You're off the hook then, friend. Love you sorry to shout :)

>>17812270
Kek

>>17811754
square root of -1

>>17811754
What would (0 + j1)% interest look like?

>>17812239
The cuts by the Fed has almost nothing to do with TLT. The Fed affects the short end of the curve, not the long-end, which is what comprises TLT. Many other factors such as supply/demand, inflation expectations, and term premium affect that part of the curve.

>>17811754
You've piqued my interest

>>17811889
Absolute state of biz.
Interest rate indicates ammount of money you get from depositing your money to saving account.
But indeed lowering the rate or even going negative is intended to encourage people using money and fuel economy rather than HODLING, fucking hodl - what a retarded mind created that word.

>>17811738
Bullish UND, aka Unification, AKA the United Nations Dollar.

Little do you know how high this is about to go.

>>17812166
I agree, I'm not saying that government wasn't responsible, just that a lack of gold standard obviously isn't the only way to cause a depression.

>>17812314
Did you read the link at all?
>if you believe interest rates will fall, then it makes sense to invest in an ETF like the TLT.
It performed better than the market during every recent crash. In fact it spikes during recessions. Try reading my dude.
https://www.ishares.com/us/products/239454/ishares-20-year-treasury-bond-etf

Can someone explain to me why this is bad and the damage it will potentially do?

I am not very smart and am new to this stuff.

>>17812478
It means the government is so desperate for economic stimulus that they're giving away credit for loans to banks at no interest. Obama did this for basically his entire presidency following the housing bubble collapse.

>>17812397
Hold
On
for Dear
Life

>>17812478
Low interest rates caused by central banking cause malinvestment because investments that aren't viable without low interest rates are made viable with them. Literally makes us all poorer so the Jews can have more.

>>17812520

It's hilarious how much his administration got away with unscathed thanks to baby gloves media

>>17812478
>Banks can get loans with low/no interest
>Its supposed to encourage people to invest and buy things
>but it just ends up being abused to make money
>and your savings account will make less interest

Why won’t they increase rates to 5-6% in order to pop the bubble, and provide the means of boosting the economy in the next cycle?

Isn’t that the basis of their economic theory?

>>17812615
>thinking about the future
Toppest of keks

>>17812397
He was drunk and despondent and socially inept enough to post on bitcointalk 7 years ago, give him a break

>>17811801
Like a variable thats controlled from some sort of ruleset or contract?

>>17811754
>>17811905
Does this mean the next interest rates will be 10i% ?
With the power of double lending rates through the smaller banks intermediary this makes negative values for the customers !

>>17811895
or health insurance

>>17811801
thats actually really fucking based, super postilion interest.
>ψ = c1f1 + c2f2 + c3f3

so is this good for link? seriously

>>17812615
Chinese will kill us one way or the other either with bat viruses or with the corporations making a ditch with all their equity into the mainland.

>>17811754
All they have to do is raise rates to 20%, and then start reducing it by 1% every year, Problem solved.

>>17812305
It would be pretty complex.

>>17811801
schroedinger’s interest

But Trump said the economy was in the best position ever during his speech yesterday. How could he stand up there and actually say that? Jesus Christ it's gone too far now

>>17812397
>hodl
I'm pretty sure it started as a typo, and then someone came up with an acronym.

>>17811801
>quantum interest rates
This timeline has gone beyond jumping the shark.

>>17812160
IM A VETERAN BITCH, IM 24 AND I'M BUYING A HOUSE THIS YEAR. THANK YOU FREE MARKET-DEEPSTATE.

Why even bother? rates are so ridiculously low to begin with. These incompetent retards really think this will stop this joke of a bubble from popping?

>>17813352
(((TESLA)))

>>17813370
Rolling for a fat GET so I can validate my monetary gains.

>>17813417
goodnight. I'll see you guys on monday.

>we might get to see boomers die left and right as their investments and savings get devalued while their property values drop precipitously
Are we on our way to the best timeline?

>>17812688
I will buy this token... what is the best one that does this protocall

>>17811841
Stop with your anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. We all know what you are implying and it’s ILLEGAL sir. The fact that you would even think that means you have a real problem.

>>17811738
Next step: FREE MONEY TO EVERYONE

>>17812520
The federal government did that or the fed did? Because the latter's policy is supposed not to be controlled by the former

>>17812425
Alright in starting to believe. How much should I have ?

>>17811738
Should I pull my money out of the bank?

>>17811889
This isnt that dumb boomer. Its intra bank loans and the amount you get for depositing in said bank. You see banks will now charge you fees to store money. This is were profit is made so banks can loan to eachother for free. But dont tell pol theyll just call you a commie.

>>17812615
Because boomer. Boomers who fund elections want their profits now not 10 years ahead.

>>17811738
Do we pump or dump with this news!?

>>17812615
because boomers took out a bunch of loans to buy real estate and will keep interest rates low so they dont go bankrupt.

>>17811801
A negative probability it is

>>17811754
They should only raise and lower rates by prime number increments

>>17813961
lol whats to stop people from putting their money in a coffee can and burying it in the flower garden like ye good olde days if negative interest became a thing?

>>17811858
didnt we get into the great depression due to getting off gold in the first place?

>>17812305
Debt rotates around 0 in the complex plane. In 314 years the debt is exactly negative the initial loan size.

>>17813979
Boomers just got nuked on margins lol
Expect suicide & homeless rates to spike

>>17811754
Sounds complex

anyone else notice the lower interest rates fall the more tripfags there are?

>>17811801

val interest = Math.random() * 10;

We have no inflation because labor has no wages.

>>17811801
>Monday
>feds announce the “quantum interest”
>valid values are “it exists” and “it doesn’t exist,” not even numeric
>every time you try to calculate what it means you get weird answers like “salted pretzel” or a sudden erection without being able to remember what steps led you to that answer
>at least it’s not negative

So pump or dump?

is over,isnt?

fucking orange,i cant believe i voted for his dumb ass

>>17814254

wishful thinking not declaring it var

>>17813298

Pretty sure it came from game of thrones' Hodor, the guy who only had one response to everything and whose name came from hold the door

>>17814337
was he retarded?
hodl sounds like a hydrocephalus tries to say hold.

>>17814293
You are not funny you are a fag go back to rebbit

>>17811841

Stop persecuting the jews anon. Causing those two wars to acquire the land for israel in 1917 and obtaining the justification to actually remove the people already on it decades later was well worth the lives of tens of millions of goyim.

>>17814040

Inflation

>>17814293
Holy shit shut the fuck up. Your “quantum interest” meme sucks so much fucking dick. Take it back with you to reddit. It would get much more play there and your “ebin internet points” will skyrocket once you introduce them to the next thing they can mindlessly spam back and forth to one another. Fuck you.

>>17814364

That's the joke I guess. He wasn't a retard, just completely unable to respond with anything other than hodor, just like the hodlers do during changes in market conditions.

It's over

Tachyon blockchains techniques allows for session and community governance since all nodes are seen as equal and legible to participate

>>17814293

This is your brain on soi

>>17811858
here ya go senpai
https://mises.org/library/case-gold
its free

>>17811738
HHhahahahahahaaha yeeess faggots go put everything in dollars, well done.

CASH IS TRASH BABY

>>17811738
Mmmm how does it feel.

>>17811738
Why don’t they raise it instead??

>>17812478
Banks being bailed out by government again lol

>here's free money for that demand you still don't have since everyone's locked at home

>>17815404
Does this mean the crash isn’t on Monday bobo? Should I all in on a tumble or no?

>>17815393
True. And that is exactly why UND will fucking moon this week.
The truth about the WuFlu will be revealed shortly.

NESARA

>>17811905
The Argand Debt Collectors would like a word with you.

>>17811801
You shut your goddamned mouth before you fuck us all even more.

>>17811799

The federal government is extremely desperate to keep spending happening to avoid a crash. Realistically an interest rate below 3% is pretty ridiculous and we are about to hit zero. Once the dominos fall people at the top will just hold onto their cash, and the bottom 50% will become peasants within a few weeks.

>>17815404
Mmmhmmhm how does it feel to know that the 10.000.000 million dollars you'll make with shorting won't be enough to buy you enough food for the week bearfag ?

>>17811841

The answer rhymes with news.

>>17811738
>we can give money to banks at zero interest who then loan it to you at outrageous interests
>no we can't just loan it directly to you at zero interest!

>>17812039

The 1920s crash had nothing to do with the gold standard though. It was 100% caused by wallstreet operating with no regulation or oversight. People were truly investing in ponzis

>>17811801
based and screencapped

>>17814052
Aren’t you the roastie from /lit/?

>>17811738
HEY HEY HEY
WASSA WASSA WASSA
FEDCONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT

>>17815746
the foxes are running the chicken coop

>>17814236
kek

>>17811738

yo does this mean i can go get a fucking loan for a house on my shitty warehouse salary or what?

hehehehe brrrrrrrrrrr

>>17811738
thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL998ajnjN4

>>17816612
No
It means your shitty salary goes into you bank then the bank skims off it each month in negative interest to pay off their toxic debts
It's literally theft and you should covert it to something they can't steal or just withdraw it

>>17812095
the economy occasionally did crash before 1929.

Life was generally horrible and disease ridden anyway.

>>17813473
Yes. Not to mention everything will be cheap and anyone who was smart with their money will pick the prices for sats.

>yfw you we are the Jew now

>>17811858
The fed casued the great depression by inflating the stock market bubble of the 1920s by lowering interest rates to prop up the value of the British pound

>>17814040
How new are you grandpa?
Pretty soon everyone will be wiping their ass with greenbacks

>>17816696

gotcha.

that means i could run up my credit card with said bank though, right?

>>17815393
Top jej this is great

Rate cuts only hurt economy at that point, they could consider buying stocks however like boj does

>>17812425
This and Idena will be the biggest gainers in the following cycle by far.

>>17811799
Worse case it means wheelbarrows of money to buy groceries

>>17813772
Found the oven dodger

>>17811738
Utterly ridiculous. The repo crisis exists because rates are already artificially low.

>>17811841
>why does the fed exist
Because a lot of people thought putting monetary policy under direct political control was a bad idea.

>why are we not on the gold standard
America tried operating on something like that but it failed measurably and caused global chaos every time. America wanted to maintain their export surpluses and not let their gold reserves flow out of the country throughout the 1920s by using tariffs and demanded foreigners pay off their debts both at the same time. Didn't work for obvious reasons. Post-WWII America wanted to be the world reserve currency which meant you'd have to have everyone else eventually saving in your currency which they could convert at your random undervalued pegged rate. If you want a gold standard you have to allow your reserves to freely run down which Republicans never liked the idea of.

>>17812095
Recessions were more frequent but America was less urban so unemployment played out differently in a more agrarian nation.

>>17816735
The 1920s had massive real growth. Anything but American debt wasn't safe. The British themselves idiotically worked to overvalue their currency.

>stores all empty
>lowered interest rate 4 u goys, enjoy

>>17811801
No no no! This is next level kikery do not put this thought into the aether

>>17811801
Why do you hate yourself and everyone else this much?

>>17817458
Yeah sure that's why the repo crises exists. They were already pumping in billions daily before they lowered rates.

>>17812014
20-21 was a recession brought about the ending of ww1 and the Spanish flu.

>>17812039
Gold standard didn’t bring about the depression, that’s just a Keynesian lie. Increase tariffs and Wall Street shenanigans brought about the depression. The depression got worse when the gold standard was dropped and Keynesian economics was instituted but that didn’t last long because everybody at the time knew it was garbage.

>>17811738
So what next? Universal basic income?

>>17819418
>Gold standard didn’t bring about the depression, that’s just a Keynesian lie.
Keynes never claimed that but it didn't help. If the US wasn't concerned about gold convertibility in the 20s maybe they wouldn't have been so protectionist?

>The depression got worse when the gold standard was dropped
But it didn't. Globally economies rebounded decently (see Germany in the 30s). The depression was deeper and longer in America because Roosevelt was following schizoid policies at various points pissing off business at one point and then trying to eliminate the federal deficit at the wrong time.