/biz/ - Business & Finance

meme numbers not red enough! more!!!!!!!!!!!!

is there a market for girl farts

>dow down 700 points and europe hasnt even opened yet

oh no. . . get those circuit breakers ready

I want to thank my government for experimenting on niggers to find out how syphilis and promises of free healthcare work. Socialism does have the answers when you hold back the cures.

>>17701465
Appreciate the feedback, I'm not sure how to split it to be honest. But since I'm in Schwab I'm thinking 80/20 - favoring SCHG vs. SWNRX. Might as well use it and at least have it in the market even if I need to tweak how I weigh them.

What are the cons of trading in dividend stocks?
They sound like normal stocks but better in every way .

>tfw made 5$ buying into XOM and then changing my mind and selling a couple hours later

AMA Reddit!

>>17701503
sometimes it's better if companies don't pay a dividend and instead focus on growth and paying off debt

>>17701503
depending on the stock, slow to no growth. no guarantee that dividend won't get slashed.

>>17701505
Why would you say 5$ and not $5 like a real american?

>>17701503
They are great if you don't like money.

>>17701503
There are no cons specific to stocks that pay a dividend. The only dividend related thing you may not be aware of is that the dividend itself is (initially) priced in to the trading on ex-dividend date. Meaning the stock will normally open roughly down by the amount of the dividend on that day. Whether or not it stays there is another story.

As for slow growth/low volatility, that's variable between stocks. Some stocks have good growth and good dividend.

>>17701559

>>17701502
I've been doing SCHX and VIG recently. Not that they're better than the others, SCH_'s are often very similar. Just don't get small caps or something like that, this is not the time for that.

If over the next few months/years the market pulls back to 2008 numbers, what will the price of SQQQ be?

>>17701565
DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

How are the futures down 2.5%, they were up like 5% not so long ago???

ATTN REDDITORS:
Show of hands, what do you think is most likely:
Right now, is Bresdident Drumpf
A. Freaking out about the market crashing
B. Thinking about McDonald's
C. Thinking "fuck it, I'll blame it on Powell and the Dems"

>>17701593
Futures were never up 5% this evening.

Is tomorrow the day to buy?

>>17701550

Because I’m a fag

>>17701619
Don't know. Nobody knows.

>>17701603
did they?
This whole TINA thing makes it so private capital is happy to throw money at these guys. What else are they gonna do, buy bonds?

>>17701602
A mix of A and C

>>17701566
>>17701544
>>17701522
Never really though of it that way.
It was sounding like a catch all but I think I'm understanding it now.

Is there any sort of golden ratio I should look for in terms of dividend payout a year/stock buy value? Whats considered solid?

>>17701579
Ultaimtely, would there be much difference between SCHG and SCHX? As a newer investor, understanding the nuances between large growth and large cap is an example of things I struggle with. Large cap would be companies with the biggest market cap, but large growth might be riskier since it would include more companies that have a higher variance and potential to spike both up and down?

>>17701629
i know and i'll explain it all in my ebook

>>17701503
The two main reasons are:
- Dividend stocks gives steady cash return without the need to sell stocks
- Dividend stocks are generally more stable, which means they both grow slower (if at all) and fall slower

Watch out for dividend stocks with a high yield (6%+), it could means the company is not doing well, or it was a special dividend (payouts that happen less often).
Generally, a dividend stock will grow slower than the market. For example, stock A has no dividend but it grows 5% in a year while stock B has a 3% dividend but only grows 2% in a year. They both generated the same value.

>>17701635
>Whats considered solid?
You can just type 'best dividend stocks' in to search engine and get a bunch of lists. You want companies with a long history of consistently raising their dividend.

>>17701614
Yeah I know, just wondering what happened while closed that made it shift so dramtically

Seriously, I feel like all of this drama and fear mongering will blow over in 2 months. Oil drama will settle as they will want their profits back. Coronavirus will spread but people will realize that it's just inevitable fact of life like the flu.

Any other reason we are apparently heading for 2008 2.0 even though banks aren't foreclosing on everyone, or why it's the great depression 2.0 even though people aren't massively unemployed

I hope the rest of the week stays deep red, shouldn't have bought puts at the bottom ;_;

>>17701619
if you just start buying stocks
and keep buying stocks
you will make infinite returns
but it might take a long time

>>17701635
Just buy AAPL and MSFT

>>17701664
Futures traders are betting on a red day tomorrow. No specific news.

INO is apparently being invested for fraud. Not too late to buy puts on them.

>>17701602
the real trump is coughing himself towards the shadow realm in a bed in Maralago
the Trump we've been seeing on TV is a hologram
The algos know this because they can see faster than 24 fps (human eyes cannot), which is why they've been selling

>>17701668
Agreed. I give it a good three months before the market truly stabilizes. April is going to be rocky with spring earnings season.

>>17701602
im interrupting your poll to make the following announcement..

I would like us all to join together in prayer.

dear lord jesus may you give us and everybody who views this the strength and energy to help us in our desires... help everybody who is sick and give those who care for the sick to continue, we all love you and thank you for everything you have given us so far. amen

>>17701635
No. Why would you care about a dividend payment at all? What is the advantage of being paid?

If you care about the investment into the company, you just use the money to buy back in.

If you don't, you could sell a % of stock you are holding for your "dividend" when a companies price rises.

If companies X stock is 50 dollars and companies Y stock is also 50 dollars, would you rather get a dollar dividend yield on X or experience Y moving to 75 in a quarter?

Ignore dividends, invest in the company on basis of whatever you use to analyze companies.

It’s all just so tiresome
Just go 50% bonds and 50% stable dividend stocks, Dca for 2” years and you are a millionaire. Not rocket science

>>17701687
Of we can’t see faster than 24fps then why do reddit faggot gamers whine about frame rate all the time?

>>17701697
>50% bonds
disgusting

>>17701697
yeah bro... like just throw 1.5 mill and you'll have 1 million in a year bro... it's fucking easy.

>>17701697
I'm cumming to the thought of a .6 % annualized return. It's almost what I get in a savings account.

>>17700493
You don't understand the purpose of a 401k, it's just a way to buy stocks and shit with a part of your paycheck that hasn't been taxed yet. I'm not good at explaining it, go find a youtube or read about it or something.

>>17701644
look at what's actually making up the ETF's if you're wanting to personalize it more, hard to say what the risks are. Point of buying ETF's like this is they generally do well when the economy does well. Some do better than others, maybe one will go bankrupt maybe one will double, but my thinking is neither is very likely in large caps. What large caps do have is brand, scale, generally more funding and resources. But look at Kraft Heinz, it had all that and but got crushed. While the tech names have all that and have gotten huge.

Shit I'm off topic. Just look at what's in the ETF's and see that they're generally the same stocks with slightly different %'s, unless you're after something specific. No one truly knows which will preform best in the future. Many guess, most people are wrong.

Also:
Dividend stocks ARE normal stocks. Most stocks that have high free cash flow (read investopedia) and aren't in the growth phase pay some sort of dividend. So dividend stocks tend to be older and well established. Some think that means safe, but if you've been looking at the oil and gas companies and KHC, you can tell there's no such thing as safe.

>>17701707
Yea a 9% annual return (3.5% being cash you can reinvest) and a 4.0 sortino ratio (meaning the worst dip you will ever experience is like -2%) compounded is the chad move

>>17701697
>bonds
Unironically the worst place you can put your money unless you're <5 years from retirement.

Also, who's betting on a small bear market tomorrow, with a medium chance of the good old eod FED PUMP?

>Go to NYSE
>coof
>algos chimp out from hearing cooffing on livestreams

>>17701707
this.
especially now when they're expensive as hell. but no one really calls bonds a bubble.

>>17701745
>the sortino guy
kek you're obsessed with this metric.

>>17701749
No fed pump. If the yield on the 10 year rises, the market will pump. Things don't look good to me.

>>17701723
>>17701714
6.8% average growth plus 3.5% annual dividend compounded (which you reinvest) compounded

>>17701736
>So dividend stocks tend to be older and well established. Some think that means safe, but if you've been looking at the oil and gas companies and KHC, you can tell there's no such thing as safe.

Basically, limited upside, and large risk downward.

>>17701736
Thank you.

>>17701768
Laugh all you want I am up on the quarter, month, and week.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/regeneron-and-sanofi-planning-to-study-arthritis-drug-kevzara-as-covid-19-treatment-11583872762?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1

Maybe buy more REGN?
Should've taken profit at 500...

>>17701771
Eh I don't know. I think there's still plenty of upside in the drug stocks and other healthcare names, but basically don't chase yield. I mean KO, MSFT, AAPL, PEP, LMT all pay healthy dividends and they were having a hell of a bull run until this major bearish turn.

>>17701783
hey hey! this guy's laughin all the way to the bank!
good for you

DOW? More like down, haha.

" Why no sliding sun screen on panoramic roof?
Electro chromatic roof - doesn't need one! Auto dims in bright light. "

>BMW i4

ACCUMULATE

REFR

CHEAPIES

>>17698532
>friendly reminder that anyone can be this faggot by using the following in the name field: LCIguy#buylci
I like the taste of bepis and I am big gay.

>>17701796
Yeah, but in the case of AAPL, it was doing shit when it couldn't figure out what to do with it's money. If the company is attempting to spend it's money to grow, but is making to much money to actually be able to do that and have no money left over, buy away.

But don't just chase a company because it pays you for holding a share.

>>17701682
Priced in

>futures

I WANT OFF THIS FUCKING RIDE!!!!!!

>>17701827
Wow. Danke.

>>17701829
yes yes, the old "don't chase yield"
Shit I hope I don't get burned with ABBV
...also thinking of buying back into NRZ, but I'm not sure if mREITs can handle recessions, or if they do terribly because people can't afford to pay rent.

>>17701849
Fug. What am I missing right now.
Is the ride not over yet?

>>17701827
based

>>17701827
benis
and remember to buy LCGALTSS

>>17701824

Reminder

ACCUMULATE

CONFERENCE CALL TOMORROW

Damn I'm really gonna regret not selling MCD today...

>>17701849
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>retards and shills

WHY would you be catching knives in airlines right now? Any rallies they get are an opportunity to short. They're going to do TERRIBLY this year. Boeing still doesn't have their planes ready and there's a fucking pandemic brewing, we're about to get an explosion of diagnosis now that we're testing people.

We finish the correction by the end of the week, r-right guys?

I'M TIRED OF THIS CRAB MARKET
SOMEONE JUST TELL ME ARE WE GOING UP OR DOWN IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS

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Aaaaaaaassasasaaas

>>17701689
Amen.
Well said Mr. Baggs

>>17701687
this is getting increasingly likely...
I hate our politicians, maybe if they're too scared to legislate we can get some better ones.
lol nevermind that ain't happening.

>>17701927

>tfw got scared of the pump today and sold all my puts before market closed
Fuck these glass hands of mine

>>17701503
taxes desu

>>17701958
don't think you are alone, we are literally betting against the big goys

>>17701927
SNIB SNAP :DD

>>17701930
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>>17701503
>dividend stocks
>GE
>fucking halved, prior to divvy reduced to $0.01
>DB
>fucking halved
>T
>fucking stagnant
>F
>press F to pay respects for F

>growth stocks
>AMZN
>"freak of nature" - t. Warren Buffett
>NVDA
>just fukken HODL, pussy
>AMD
>again, just fukken HODL, pussy
>NFLX
>I SAID FUKKEN HODL, PUSSY

Ok, boomer.

>>17701664
I think there might be a virus going around.

>>17702024
these futures aren't even that bad

>>17702079
kekkies did you reverse image search the BernLatina I posted, or is she that popular where you knew about her? Pretty damn hot here.

I just bought into AMD at 42, good chance that proves to be a mistake. Really want NVDA and AMZN to drop more... I wanna buy!

>>17701503
There are legitimate concerns with dividend stocks. Here are some arguments that are kind of dumb.

>overall market return
I understand that dividend stocks might underperform the market, but it's not really a good argument.
In order to "realize" those market gains, you have to sell. In order to sell, you have to have buyers willing to buy it at a higher price. That puts pressure on YOU to sell at the absolute best time.
Dividends help you realize that gain slowly over time.

Seeing all these attractive women makes me more bitter about being an incel and no amount of gains offsets it.

Anyhow what will be cheap tomorrow you think? Or should we ride this baby down more.

>>17701927

It's never going to recover. we'll be like Japan was after the 80's

>>17702145
>TFW I thought I's just hang on to 1 share of EWJ and 1 share of disney because I want to keep an eye on them and buy back in lower
There's not gonna be a bottom, is there?

>>17702141
The only things that are "cheap" are the things you should probably be shorting. The stocks that aren't being dragged down as much with the broader market, the good ones, they don't drop within my target price range. MAYBE PEP, but KO and JNJ need to go lower.

Ugh these MSFT bags are going to really bother me. same with the soon-to-be AMD bags

>>17702118
She's popular enough that I found her tiktok through other posts
I'm far, far too lazy to reverse image search anymore

>>17702097
I just wanted to panic post

If all I want is passive income to supplement my life is there any reason not to solely invest in dividend stocks?

https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/corona-chaos-bei-der-kanzlerin-keine-rede-kein-auftritt-keine-fuehrung-in-der-kr-69321608.bild.html

"Merkel Expects 60-70% Of Germans To Be Infected With Coronavirus"

>>17702163
>There's not gonna be a bottom, is there?

nope

>>17702194
>>17701503

>SEC is now WFH
All we need now is for the feds to get a corona scare and things will go the way they actually should be. At least until I can sell my puts.

i have a bad feeling about today,bros!

>>17702208
ok but what if I don't have time for day trading?

>Sacramento County Gives Up On Automatic 14-Day Quarantines
>"With the shift from containment to mitigation, it is no longer necessary for someone who has been in contact with someone with COVID-19 to quarantine for 14 days," the county says.

https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/npr/npr-story/813990993

Yikes. God damn it I got family in the bay and they just unloaded a cruise ship of carriers there, now they've got sacramento just giving up... this is gonna get ugly

>>17702201
RIP Animeland
RIP MouseHouse
;_;

>>17702097
>dax futures -3%
it's ogre

>>17702234
what are you holding

>>17702238
what?
hey buddy retard,
read the responses to that post, and if you don't understand them, use google and Investopedia.

>>17702249
this is a great image. Tupperware is really not doing so good.

>>17702141
>Seeing all these attractive women makes me more bitter about being an incel and no amount of gains offsets it.
Check out seeking arrangements, but v relatable. I'm probably a threat to society...
Ever wonder if you can set a new high score?

>>17702238
then don't trade
that post has a ton of replies that answer your question about buying dividend stocks, read them

>>17702258
>Check out seeking arrangements,
It just wouldn't feel right if I was paying for it desu. It would be admitting giving up.

I have enough things to buy now that everything is on sale.

>>17702243
I hate how the local government and politicians here constantly bitch about the federal government because of Trump but when the government does something to help them, they just do retarded shit like this. It's fucking tiring, having anything remotely close to conservative views here ostracize you to your coworkers so you have to hide it.

Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Don't need reason, don't need rhyme
Ain't nothing I would rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too...
I'M ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL
ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL
HIGHWAY TO HELL
I'M ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL

>>17702276
You're paying for it even if you're not explicitly paying for it, senpai.
There's a tremendous correlation between how attractive a girl finds you to be and how much money you have.

BONGS SLASHED RATES BY 0,5% FROM 0,75% to 0,25%

>>17701443
GET READY FOR A SEA OF RED TODAY

>>17702337
OH NO NO NO FUTURES PUMPING TO -2%

>>17702277

I'm sorry that you're feeling tired because you don't get an opportunity to publicly express your conservative political identity.

But what the hell are you talking about?
Did Trump do something to help Sacramento manage the outbreak of COVID-19 and they fucked it up?

Did he buy up the testing kits like the epidemiologists have been recommending?

Are you just making this about bipartisan politics because you have a bone to pick and that's more interesting to you?

>shorts on FTSE
>it goes up 1% at the open

fugggg

>>17702337
Race to zero, huh? This is fun.

>>17702398
I'm gonna doot the Doot

US is gonna follow suite within the next month and slash to .25% also I bet. How long can the drop be dampened?

Brainlet here. What happens if the rates go to zero?

>>17702415
Nothing. If it keeps dumping, they'll set it to negative

>>17702415
they're trying to encourage banks to loan out more money
when rates are negative it's a penalty on holding money in other banks

>>17702410
>next month
well we've got the ECB meeting tomorrow night, then the fed meeting next week, so we'll see

>>17702415
No one knows, USA has never done it. In EU it led to 0-growth and companies pumpkng money into stock buybacks.

call me crazy but i think italy is faking coronavirus to get money from the eu. they are basically governed by the mafia

>>17702249
>wojak

KEK

>>17702445
>>17702443
>>17702429
Who do I even invest in in that case?

I assume short banks but what can survive? Isn't europe like no growth for years now because of it.

>>17702461
It depends on the type of loans that the banks will hand out. If they are desperate to give out loans, the loans will be bad, and they will suffer when the inevitable defaults start pouring in.

>>17702461
>because of it
careful, chief
explaining that with one factor is pretty silly
I'd point more to Europe's lack of a tech sector, which is why the US has had such growth. China and India as well have grown through the tech sector, but also manufacturing.

I think

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>dax +1.4%
got crab?

>>17702498
more like go moon

anyone else having their 3/13 puts fucked in the mouth right now?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>17702511
more than 1000 corona cases and only 2 deaths, 1 was in egypt. das what a health care system looks like niglets

Fuck we re gonna open green today arent we

REEEEEEEEEEE

fuck rate cuts

>>17702514
Absolutely. Always buying a month out from now on, maybe 2 weeks if there's a dip or peak.
Tomorrow is somehow going to be a bull day or an insane bull trap that plummets midday.

>>17701443
Corona is now in my state by the way. Holy fuh

>>17702450
you're crazy
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbergamo.corriere.it%2Fnotizie%2Fcronaca%2F20_marzo_07%2Fcoronavirus-bergamo-medico-humanitas-facebook-situazione-drammatica-altro-che-normale-influenza-4fdf6866-6088-11ea-8d61-438e0a276fc4.shtml

>futures becoming green

its all so tiresome, i really need to stop trading, im hemorrhaging so much money.

>>17702539
italian doctors are so busy they are blogging 24/7

>>17702550
Just ask me for advice next time.

>>17702525
The welfare state sucks in terms of taxes, but it does help in situations like this. At least people are more likely to take sick leave, and avoid infecting others.
t. living there

>>17702551
and you're a paid israeli shill from outer space

>>17702555
hey I need some advice

>>17702582
Go long on gamestop max leverage box spread

>>17702582
Day trading or looking for somewhere to dump your cash for a bit?

>>17702450
a huge tv/social media campain is on-going in italy starring all kind of vips to make people stay at home since the hospitals are already at their limit.i dont think we are faking it,but you never fucking know with kikes and awful politicians we have here

>>17702550
i still think we need to test the bottom of that huge green candle as confirmation of a huge downtrend so i would wait there if you really want to short the market

>>17702591
no not like that

>>17702599
I'm interested in purchasing some securities

HOW WE FEELIN BOBOS!?!?!?

im 20 years old. what am i supposed to do with my money?

>>17702582
Stop gaming, go long and max spread the box

>>17702600
Italian Jews?
Spaghetti Bagels?
Actually I met a couple of those in college, pretty good guys. Lived in Switzerland though which was interesting. Not sure how I feel about the Swiss...

>>17702626
hookers and blow

>>17702626
three fund portfolio

>>17702528
I'm not sure, rate cuts might freak out Brit investors, who will run for safety in US bonds... Pushing down the US 10-year yield and causing the algos to sell stocks.

>>17702631
coke is OUT speed is IN. get with the times lmao B)

BEARS BACK ON TOP!!!

help /biz/
I don't feel in charge anymore

oh boy cheapies day!!
Who's gonna buy themselves some cheapies?!

>>17701443
Bros if I go to the nearest hospital and lick all the door handles what are the chances corona chan gives me a last BJ before death?

KEEP rollin rollin rollin rollin WHAT!?!?

>>17702686
you will probably die of some other germ first

nvm bears are kill again lmao

DAL is looking undervalued right now, unless of course the whole thing goes nuclear.

>still going up
did (((they))) find a cure?

>futures dropping a bit now

huh, what happened? is it because yuros like to dump in the beginning of the day?

AAAAAAND WE'RE BACK
MOOOOOOOOO

>>17702693
You think so? How many fatal germs are there on your standard hospital doorknob? You think he'll get staph infections or some sort of flesh eating bacteria or what?

>>17702715
>no end in sight for this virus
>people will be scared
>Boeing 737 Max looks like it may drag on forever
>when it finally comes out, people will be scared
I'm not touching the airlines. I don't see the appeal at all.

>>17702744
Mr. President we're down over 2%
If you can't profit off your puts after that, I don't know what to tell you, you're bad at betting against the american economy. Maybe you should find a different game in the casino.

>>17702761
People aren't going to stop flying forever.

A CLOCKWORK BULL

OH NO NO NO NO

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-10/coronavirus-conference-gets-canceled-because-of-coronavirus

it's over

>>17702806
>The Council on Foreign Relations has canceled a roundtable called “Doing Business Under Coronavirus” scheduled for Friday in New York due to the spread of the infection itself.
>“Doing Business Under Coronavirus”
Gabitalism :DDD

>>17702820
uk is up almost 2% and their health minister is sick of coronavirus. how could expect to open red today?

>>17702820
What is this?

Stock newbie here, what would be good stocks to invest now, are there some safe beta which can be biught pretty cheap now? Maybe to generate some dividends in the future

If the difference between two options is greater than the difference in their strikes, am I guaranteed free money by opening a credit spread between them?

The scared money may have left and the hard headed bulls may be in it again. I'm hoping this isn't the bottom because over 50% of my portfolio is puts (after Apr earnings granted), but who knows at this point. China still isn't showing full operation and there's not much info coming out rn. I'll go check pol.

>>17701581
Not happening. It's gonna take a while to shake out the mess from Monday, but it's not falling back to 2008 levels, and if you think it is, you're an idiot.
Expect it to bounce around for a couple of weeks, but Monday was more about oil than corona bullshit.

what are we thinkin bear bros?

>>17701602
D. formulating a way to refi the national debt with historically low interest rates, leading to a new boom era.

>>17702917
8,09 %

OH NO NO NO WHO GOT TOO COCKY?

>>17702917
Lots of shutdowns and cancellationsa are taking place but people are buying? What the world is going on?

>>17702820
WTF WHY IS IT SURGING BEARBROS?

it's a bulltrap of epic proprotions, the coming dump will be BIBLICAL

>>17702761
>the BA I've held since June
D:

>>17702933
Reminder that biggest price gains in history were during financial crises.

>>17701550
>american logic
obviously we write 3/10/20 because we say march first. what? write "five dollars" as 5$? no that's retarded.

>>17702959
he didn’t say it wasn’t ilogical, he said it wasn’t american you commie bastard

Deutschebank goes bankrupt before April. Don't ask how i know this.

>>17702997
Too big to fail.

>>17702997
they might merge with another german bank but not go bankrupt

>>17703005
Trump won't do that under his presidency. His voterbase is the people that outright HATE such a proposition. It'd probably cost him the election.

>>17702852
uhhhhhh that's rate cuts bud, health minister story is yesterday's news, and isn't what many investors would consider material risk to their economy. I'm sure there's plenty of capable people who already stepping up to take the reigns

>>17702915
Maybe he meant 2018? That's not impossible if people start to really panic. Though there's also the possibility we may not get enough testing kits until after the election. That sounds ridiculous but I have no idea what the administration is planning.

>>17702928
>who would want to invest a small percentage of their income into stocks after they've dropped 15%?
People who don't think it's the end of the world, and people who think they can't time the market, people who think markets rarely move straight up or straight down without some bounces and retracements along the way.

Shit, why do you think I sold my Italy puts yesterday, because I think their economy is improving? No.

>>17702913
>over 50% of my portfolio is puts
>over 50% of my portfolio is puts
>over 50% of my portfolio is puts

wow.
this is why we discourage new "investors" from gambling with options.

After the market fell 15% you decided it "couldn't go any higher than this?" That it was such a sure thing you'd roll the dice with half of your portfolio, betting against the US?

>>17703027
alright dude please tell me you're just fucking with us now. do you think Deutschebank sounds like the name of an American bank?

>>17703027
>Deutsche
>Trump
are you retarded?

>>17701745
what sort of bond is paying a 9% return?

>>17702942
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
At least Boeing will eventually come back... I've ridden VIAC all the way to the bottom, I think it's dead. May have to put that money into today's cheapies.

What's the best way to start a three fund portfolio?

are these bad?
they don't seem that bad.
they seem kinda bad tho.

>>17703051
serious answer, look up the bogleheads wiki.
silly answer, go for 33% SQQQ, 33% UVXY and 34% GLD.

>>17703073
so do they seem bad to you or not that bad or...?

>>17703081
GLD call bad, rest are manageable

>>17703046
it's not that bad, only a few sharies. Barely even remembered I had them, I never even considered what was gonna happen to them anytime in the last month >_<
>>17703073
Depends on when you bought them, if you've had them a long time they look baller, if you just bought them IV+redicc premium could screw you. It'd be a lot better if they were each a week further out

>>17703073
if youre in profit you should be taking them off the table

theta decay will eat you alive

>>17703037
>bear
What was the expiry on your italy puts?

>>17703044
I realize my mistake lol.

>>17703119
yeah i just started trading options.
think i'm just gonna take any green i can get and not be greedy.
even the most modest greens are pretty insane on options ngl

>>17701745
30% bonds outperforms everytime.

>dax and aex going up
N O T H I N G B U R G E R

This is too sharp of a buyback. I don't think it will last but I could be wrong. I'm hanging onto my puts.

oh no the green dildos are coming

guys, seriously - is it even possible to make money week in week out via trading? i have been studying charts, indicators, systems etc for months now and i cant put anything tangible together. just when i think ive found something that looks consistent and reliable, it fails on me. i realise we are in a really volatile time atm, but i have been studying charts across all time frames and across the decades. i just dont think its possible for normal people to make money trading

>>17703200
throw all of that out and just follow the market instead

Jesus. Natty Gas hit 1.610 this month, I wish I'd set an alert. Any good services for that?

Was that a damn All Time Low?! Of course it's gonna pop up nicely after that!

>>17703121
Mid April

Can someone explain to a brainlet why TIPS just dumped this week? Did they decide on Monday that inflation was no longer a thing?

>>17701443
>https://pastebin.com/VtnpN5iJ
Thanks /smg/ for the pastebins and links. I am just getting into this stuff because of the corona and oil scare, and my only experience trading is in neopets (which i still trade on after more than a decade)

>>17703237
We've talked about neopets many times here...

>>17703216
Natty was lower in... the mid 90s kekkies. I'm so cautious regarding it now that "buy under 3 sell over 3" is no longer a free money machine. Do want to accrue some for the looooonnnggg haul tho, need to find some way that doesn't involve decaying etfs
I'm pretty sure tradingview can do alerts, maybe it requires premium membership? ToS definitely can but I've never used it

bonds are up pm,buy any dips on TLT

>>17703237
lmao pls apply your neopets expertise, it could go really well or really poorly

>>17703233
Price of the dollar went up,making tips go down

>>17703136
risk-adjusted returns, yes.
absolute returns, no.
cost of leverage also needs to be considered

>>17703237
Buy FAER!!

>>17703259
Well, my experience from the childrens game is just buying low from many different companies, waiting, then selling if I see decent growth (which can take days/weeks/months). I don't hold for long periods.
>>17703249
I am both concerned and glad to hear that.

Since the maximum loss for a credit spread is less than the strike width, does opening a spread with credit greater than the strike width guarantee risk-free returns?

I thought it was over but it was just another nothing burger

>>17702997
They wont go just bankrupt, they will maybe declare bankruptcy, then either the state creates a rescue plan, or another bank buys it out

>>17703301
>guaranteed risk-free returns
Yeah mate, sounds legit, go for it

>>17703301
you can't take those trades as brokers have coded it into the platform and then once you're within the spread you need to be near the mid to get into the position which is rarely ever at 50% of the spread width, so good luck on getting those 68% to win trades with a 3-1 returns

Is options trading just glorified gambling?

VIX up over 8%, it’s going to be red today isn’t it?

>>17703393
it's the same as trading stocks.
you're betting something is going to go up or down.
only difference is you have an expiration involved.

>>17703393
To some extent, yes. You can buy options contracts if you're ahead of the game or smarter though.

>>17703301
>guarantee risk-free returns

>>17703264
Makes sense thanks
Just a flight to safety or some direct effect of the bond market moves?

>>17703409
I mean there was no good reason for yesterday's pump so we're bound to go down again

>>17703393
because of their short-term nature, options are more or less zero-sum. you can use them to hedge risk away, or to speculate by taking more risk.
in practice, the game is often rigged against you, as option market makers take generous spreads.

>>17703393
>>17703412
>the only difference is expiration is involved
That’s a huuuge goddamned difference!!

>>17703441
and my strategy aims to profit off of just that! and to think people say options is just gambling...

>Europe green
>Futures red but the DOW will be green
>No reason for both but FED will pump
The market is shit

>>17703429
the (((market))) doesn’t need a reason

>>17701629

>>17703456
Makes sense, US markets rallied hard after Europe futures closed yesterday.

>>17703441
the other difference is they have demand weighing on them as a market force, and people will bid a contract much higher than they will a share price.
something to think about.
this was 5 minutes on monday.

>>17703480
basically the expiration makes them scarce

>>17703080
Worst advice I've seen on biz since someone was shilling ontx

>>17702940
Weed bro plz die

>>17703456
Europe closed red yesterday and Dow green. Makes sense.

>>17703456
>>17703459
You stupid bears saw this, right?
>>17702956

>>17703567
Im not a bear. Im just confused

>Pepsi close to sealing a deal to buy Rockstar Energy
Shit. I don’t know if I like that... now that Coke Energy is moving in, I think that space is going to be competitive.

Does VIX over 50 mean it will all go down hard?

>>17703567
You saw this right?

>>17703585
Try reading the posts for the past week that have attributed movements in the markets to things other than the Fed.

>>17701927
Hardcore down through Spring and Summer. It will start to turn around by Fall. Winter will be up.

Is there a guide somewhere that could explain stock trading in layman's terms? I'm only here because I want to profit off corona hysteria.

>>17703611

measuring points

>>17703498
I made 50% on ontx in just under 2 weeks, don't talk shit about my little shillerino.

who else is excited for the ecb pump?

I have no interest in investing, but I enjoy making controversial, albeit plausibly sincere comments just to harvest as many (you)s as possible and trigger a massive argument in the thread

>>17703611
Only the top part, these moves have been wild and the market is very confused. I bet traders are loving the dramatic moves.

The market is more automated and algo driven than ever before, and it’s likely that trend won’t be going away. But also the market has no idea how to price in a viral pandemic like this. Could be that it’s waiting on decisive action from policy makers and the administration. Or for the real numbers to come out when real testing starts?

>>17703651
Funny line goes down, buy. Wait until funny line goes up and then sell. It's easy, why so many people end up doing the exact opposite is beyond me.

>>17703698
>funny line goes down, buy
>funny line goes down more

now your strategy is fucked

For all that are confused that German lethality seems so low. This is the German statistic: 1602 cases, 18 survived, 2 died. You don't know what will happen to the rest 1582 cases.

>>17703665
>>17703665

weedbra?

>memelords claiming armageddon is here
>dow, AEX, S&P all up 5% or so

lmao get real

>>17703651
too late retard, buyin every dip from now on

>>17703720
they will mutate into nazi zombies of course

>>17703690
You have to look at percentage point changes not raw point changes to get althe real picture.

>>17702915
>>17701581
Who knows where it is poised to go. .. My money's extremely bearish, although the Fed juiced the repo tonight, and UK lowered their rate by 50pts.

>>17703654
Cant beat 1987 for % drop

this is boring
I am going to /gif/ and fap

I hope you guys are all short on travel especially airlines right?
summer season isn't even close yet and all of them are slashing flights and grounding planes
those q1/q2 profits/earnings are going to be bloody

>>17703429
New pump in, see my other post

what is the crab bullshit

>>17703804

Buy the dip! #buffettgang

>>17703742
check the futures, all down close to 2%

>>17703788
Imagine /smg/ on a day where it drops 20%

That day must have been great fun

>>17703804
Boeing shorts are so fucking juicy right now

>>17702410
It can last a while. All they need to do is time it against when majority of shorts have to cover and just fuck over bears. Time it right and they can create a new floor thats rock solid.

>the biggest gaming trade show of the year, E3, is cancelled
>the two major candidates on the Democrat side had to cancel their rallies
>New York quarantine
>New Jersey death
There's absolutely 0% we're not going red today right?

>>17703828
not just boeing, the whole industry is in shambles, airlines reporting that they are literally flying close to empty planes just to keep their airport spots, cathay grounded more than a 100 planes, CEOs coming out one after another annoucing capacity cuts that could last until summer or maybe after depending on the virus and civilian consensus

I hope this finally rises to the levels of a crash. So far we've barely wiped out the last 2 years of gains? December 2018 was roughly the same magnitude, it just so happens that 2019 was an insane year with massive gains so it looks like a bigger dip than it actually is. Unless it goes down further I'd call this a completely normal correction, not a crash. Something in the ballpark of -20% from ath happens fairly regularly.

I have some cash lined up. Could we kindly get to the crashing part that everyone has been predicting for the last few years? We're well overdue.

>>17703804
>>17703883
airlines have historically never made a profit but will literally never go bankrupt because people will always have to fly and the government will bail them out

INO will hit $2 today. Are you ready to buy?

>>17703893

Boomers are panic selling for retirement and will not buy back in. Stock market participation is at ATH and will drop. We will probably be in a 10 year bear at least.

>>17703863
Makes sense, but stuff like the Italy Quarentine and the NY one didn’t cause red so who knows

If the Fed keeps pumping, we may just crab until things settle out. Earnings reports in Q2, Q3, and Q4 should be telling, but my guess is we are at minimum in a 3-7 month market affectedness in terms of timeline. I understand there are some greedy individuals that think we have hit bottom and now is the time to buy, but these people seem to only have a on track mind. A collective cognitive dissonance if you will. We have to understand who is in the market still, and why. Boomers have lost a bit of money, and I'm thinking if we lose another 8 %, we would see a probable huge selloff, something the gov/Fed cannot adequately prop up without insane amounts of inflation etc. Realistically though, we may only reach another -5% once people realize what happens when entire supply lines are negatively effected, etc. So small put exposure (no greater than 30% risk) can be considered with a probability of seeing a minimum 2-3% drop from where we are now. People may have gotten used to the drop, and be holding, but there's still a lot of cash being bled which people and the market fail to seemingly realize. If the market is not down 12-18% by September then we may have some serious issues going on.

The market is very volatile right now, and enough cases and happenings in the US alone would likely mean a 2-5% drop, but my guess is the powers that be will try and limit reporting on it for the sake of economic stability.
Good news for a weak may mean a slow climb back, to about the same degree, possibly a little more, but right now 2-3% makes sense, but then again the market isn't always rational. Buying in right now is about as smart as a roulette table. Though there's a definite 1.5 to 2 year propensity for things to stabilize then climb again.

Post a mommy for these trying times.

>>17703779
Repos just mean banks are likely hemorrhaging money. The banks need liquidity to cover their losses. That is NOT good news for the next few months, all things considered

>>17703907

The fed can't bail out anything when rates are already at 0, and supply chain is fucked, meaning prices will start to skyrocket.

wake me up again when the US is actually testing people

>>17703914
Here you go fren

>>17703863
I missed the Jersey death.
>69
>Bergen County
He was old but damn that's right next door, not that the area hasn't be waiting for this for weeks, shit's going to hit the fan soon.

>>17703907
>I understand there are some greedy individuals that think we have hit bottom and now is the time to buy
It's always the time to buy. Hoarding cash with low interest rates and high inflation is a risk as well.

>>17703906
Italy's index did like -10% in a day, NY lockdown isn't like china it didn't stop the production of almost everything we buy.

>>17703914

>>17703863
>the biggest gaming trade show of the year, E3, is cancelled
>biggest gaming trade show
>E3
Kek

Do you all think Anime Expo in July will be canned?

>>17703924
they'll be Fema-camping people before they actually start large scale tests like Italy

>>17703907
>A collective cognitive dissonance
holy shit you are retarded

>>17703920
>supply chain is fucked
Isn't china stabilizing and slowly going back to work using uiguri slaves?

>>17703920
No, they will drop. They have to. Companies will be bleeding even more depending on exposure. Lots of companies die just by sitting on too much inventory. Stagnant value is loss of value. Consumer spending should be down too. Overall I'm thinking 3-8% negative by the end of April, realistically.

Someone tell me why 3M (MMM) is a bad buy.

>>17703968
What will that do to cash? Im sitting on 100K and was not expecting these rate cuts to come so soon. I thought the fed would hve been smart enough to save those.

>>17703967
Still lost a big chunk of production that's still catching up to the rest of the world. The ripple is still moving through even though things are supposedly "fine" in China now.

>>17703662
I'm so fucking ready.
I fully loaded up.
Shell and Exxon chad right here.
Saudi twats are going to get fucked and cant handle 30 dollar oil.
Shell and Exxon are unironically better suited to go through an oil dip than the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia itself.

>>17703608
Just means it will move

>>17703716
The last step is to buy more

Never miss a dip
Averaging down on good stocks is guaranteed profit

>>17704012
loss of value due to inflation

>>17703961
I think cons and expos won't stop, but limit their capacities. Halting ticket sales, stopping on site ticket purchases, minimizing food vending, limiting panel times (although those may self limit with no shows), etc.

I can also see sanitation services everywhere. Hand sanitizer stations, or hand washing stations. Hell they may pay people to walk around with bottles of hand sanitizer to squirt on people or require vendors to have sanitizers at there shops. Janitorial workers will be scrubbing tables every time someone gets up. It will smell like a swimming pool.

Cons are dirty places.

Bump limit reached

New thread

>>17704030
>>17704030
>>17704030
>>17704030
>>17704030
>>17704030

>>17704015
Based anon.

What else are the Saudis going to sell? Sand?

>>17704037
I was afraid you would say that.

Whats my best course of action at this point with this much cash waiting to buy the bottom? I feel its too early to buy anything but am afraid I will loose it to inflation.

>>17703720
Or Corona doesn't affect Aryans like the rest of the races lmaoooo

>>17703995
It's not
3M is the ge of adhesives. I know that sounds like a jab, but ge is in literally everything. They just lost hype because they don't really have consumer goods

>>17703863
>New York quarantine
It's not a quarantine, just a ban on public gatherings.

>>17704058
>Ban on public gatherings
So it is a quarantine in Manhattan since the streets are a public gathering every time the sun is up.

>>17704058
It will get worse like in every other country and eventually they will quarantine the city.

>>17704012
Well it depends. The main issue is if the Fed implements a number of "quantitative easings" (inflation), then effectively your buying power drops. In terms of currency exchanges I do not know though. I deal mostly with business systems, statistics, and finance outside of FOREX/currency exchanges.

I will say that Americans generally are too proud to admit when something bad is happening, and we may actually underreact to the virus, causing more damage than was needed. I hate to say this but it may weed out a lot of weak and terminally ill people, which, depending on the cumulative amount of US deaths, can be harmful to the economy even more so. This should be treated very seriously and I think pride has stepped into some people's minds saying things are returning to normal. Watch this video about China "returning to work" and see how shady the officials act, look at actual traffic, etc. I'd say China is maybe at 35-50% right now. Electricity they said is up, meaning more people are staying home using electricity so, not good. Also there were stories of workers "returning to work " over there just to run machines and turn lights on. I don't trust the Chinese gov in this, they have been continually dishonest and have been found in dishonest practices far too many times to trust now. Look for holes.

>>17704058
So quarantine lite then, just one step from official full on quarantine. Nothing to see here...
Also New Yorker's don't listen for shit, they will still do everything as usual until it gets really bad.

>>17704052
Considering the amount of uncertainty right now, there's no clear answer as news keep coming out daily
If it were me, I would say split it half in half or differently depending on how you are feeling(confident or no), put half on a stable comodity to preserve value, the other try to find in stocks somewhere to make a decent profit, but I'm just an average joe with a master's in finance, not a trading professional, so take my advice with a grain of salt

>>17704072
Not Manhattan, just New Rochelle

>>17704108
Give it time it's coming to that shithole. It's going to start at the top as well with the head of the port authority having it.

>>17704015
Saudi Aramco IPO and now this move to increase production trying to kill of competition is sheer desperation.
The deficit is expected to be 7.4% of GDP with oil at 60! Oil is 33!
The deficit is easily going to be 10-20% of GDP.
They are fucked.
Last year the deficit was 49 Billion dollars, the average oil price stood at 57.5 USD, Saudi deficit break even oil price was calculated at 82.5 USD.
Thus basically, for every dollar the oil price goes down, the Saudi deficit goes up with 2 billion dollars.
At an oil price of 33 USD, the deficit would total 100 Billion dollars.
To put this into perspective, scaling up to the GDP of the US, this would equate a 2.75 Trillion USD deficit, basically triple the 980 billion that the US actually has.

>>17704075
There's no point in quarantining cities anymore. It's already out of containment worldwide.

>>17701602
He's got corona. He's prolly worried about his health

The swine flu, and regular flu, have killed more people than Corona-chan. It is hardly a death sentence. The idea that this is an instantly fatal virus that needs to be completely prevented from spreading or we're all going to fucking die is pure media-driven panic. Politicians are latching onto it in hopes that it'll make the party in power look incompetent, too. If you get Corona and get treated, and don't have an abnormally weak immune system, you'll be fine.

Let's just enjoy the inevitable cheapies incoming after this dead cat bounce.