/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17445545
why don't you just shut up! I'm trying to panic-sell over here

>china fucks over their economy by quarantining tens of millions of workers so people stop being sick of a flu :3

>>17445765
this
something is off and the chinese know, but i am sure we will know soon enough too

>>17445545
This is wrong. The normal flu only kills the old and weak,and effects a pretty large precentage of the global population.
Corona is killing healthy adults and isnt as wide spread yet.

>>17445545
pump it

>>17445545
>2 months vs 12 months

There's also the theory on /pol/ that we already all have it in that it's not a flu that could spread it just like HIV makes you die from normal stuff easier. now Google all the babies that died from the flu this year. It's more than ever. This fits the theory. Just throwing that out there

>>17445545
>"normal" flu cases per year (annual basis):
45,000,000
>Corona virus cases per year (until now):
80,000

Do the math

>>17446002
Jesus christ you are stupid. Stay in your echo chamber

free cones, free cones for every Fren!

>>17445545
>the "normal" flu killed 8,200 already IN THE US ALONE
You need to check the CDC's website. The total is up to 16K for this flu season.

>>17445545
Oh yes the flu sends 15% of infected cases into intensive care every year retard.

>>17445985
>Corona is killing healthy adults and isnt as wide spread yet.
You are full of shit.

>in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. Nobody 9 and under has died of this coronavirus to date.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

>>17445545
thats because we dont have coronavirus in the usa yet you stupid strawman faggot

>>17446057
ok shill. Corona is way worse per capita and in its effects.

>>17446064
Its more common than you think. Especially among old people with weakened immune systems and infants.

>>17445545
Maybe if China didn't shut down their entire economy and quarantine tens of millions of people in their homes, including welding them inside, maybe it might be less serious than the flu.
Remember the annual house welding over the flu, folks?
I do, it's an annual celebrating

The action/treat ratio, assuming the CCP is being correct, is absurdly incorrect.

>>17445765
Their economy was already dying. China has been bailing out banks for the past year.

I love how everyone attributes market moves to whatever the top headliner happens to be around the same time. Corona is not why the market is dumping. We've known about corona for a month, and its a temporary thing anyway. On the other hand the market has been pumped to shit by the fed for the past year, while the underlying economy is pretty weak by the numbers, we are technically in a recession since inflation is higher than GDP. So a big correction is warranted, 10-20% would make a lot of sense even without corona.

>>17445545
yes anon corona is contained for now. if we contain it for another month or two, nothing will happen because it hates UV and hot/dry weather. but if it got on, it'd cause way more issues than a flu because nobody is vaccinated against it and because the symptoms are still significantly worse than a flu's, even if the death rate is only double.

>>17446084

>>17446103
also we know that flu just mutates into another flu, but we don't know what this virus could mutate into if 100 million people started carrying it

>>17446064
>Estimates suggest that up to 10% of patients hospitalized with influenza will be admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU).
https://www.medpagetoday.com/resource-centers/contemporary-approaches-influenza-a-b/icu-admission-and-mortality-during-flu-season/2391

>>17446070
Corona will spread way slower in the US, we are so spread out. It’ll only be bad in the ghettos.

>>17446083
I didn't say that it wasn't. How does posting the correct numbers make me a shill?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Coronavirus is already practically dead, Chinese started using mouth filters and today numbers are drastically declining in China, it's all a big nothingburger, mouth filters have solved the virus, now the virus knows they have no chance with human beings and should leave them alone, it seems like the virus has decided to give up!

>>17446145
>google moutfilter
who'd have thought this'd once save humanity from extenction

>>17446002
Smh

>>17446130
My suspicion is the west will manage just fine as we aren't filthy rats. There is a rat problem but they aren't the backbone labor force like in China.
>>17446100
Now the affects of China being fucked are actually being felt as shipments are delayed.
Nobody cared until their iphones went out of stock.

MD here, can't believe how many biztards are falling for the pandemic meme. I would understand it from normies. Flu and other diseases pose way greater threats to the world population.
Also the idiotic attributing of Corona virus to the bitcoin dump is completely laughable. We were pumping like a week ago, the two are not related in any way.

>>17446160
I think maybe if you seal of the mouthfilter with peanutbutter the anti-virus bacteria start fighting the corona disease! maybe we should tell Chinese people to start using mouthfilter with peanut butter!

>>17445985
>The normal flu only kills the old and weak
Same with Corona.

>Corona isnt as wide spread yet.
Learn to read: the normal flu killed 3x more people in the US alone as Corona killed worldwide, within the same timeframe.

>>17445996
>>2 months vs 12 months
It's 8,200 deaths from "normal" flu in the US alone during this season alone.

And "this flu season" started around the same time as Corona: December 2019 (see pic).

>>17446002
>a theory on pol
Kys

>>17446212
yeah Corona is a meme! Corona is not real! how can Corona be real if it's just a flu? I have researched Corona, it is both beer and a type of flu, nothing more nothing less!, btw I accept bitcoin donations for these insights, you can share them with Chinese president Xi! or tell your family and friends for free, just don't forget to mention the source (a Fren on Biz)

>>17446070
That takes nothing away from the fact that the flu killed three times more people in the US than Corona killed globally within the same timeframe.

>>17445996
>2 months vs 12 months
It's 8,200 deaths from "normal" flu in the US alone during this season alone.

And "this flu season" started around the same time as Corona: December 2019 (see pic).

>>17446069
Do you expect polcels to do their own research? Or know how to?

I say let it soar. Killing off 10% of the 70+ population sounds like an economical godsend....

>>17446286
killing off all boomers, wealth redistribution to new generation, it's only fair!

>>17445996
>>17446275
Actually, it's now between 16k and 41k flu deaths in the US alone this season.

>>17445569
This

>>17446069
I love how all poltards are suddenly certified epidemiologists.

>>17446113
Mutations could literally make the virus less deadly.

>>17445545
>>17445969
>>17445985
>>17446130
>>17446145
What the fuck websites do you absolute retards read? Stop poisoning your minds, read scientific journals and reputable journalists.

The math is clear: coronavirus is worse than influenza A or B in every measurable way. It has a higher rate of contagion and a higher mortality rate (20x flu). It is a new virus, and it hasn’t had the chance to spread yet. You fucking weebs don’t get that we won’t have a vaccine due to regulatory purposes for at least another 3-4 months and possibly a year or more, which means unless we quarantine globally we will very likely see this spread to the rate of influenza and higher. At that point you goobs will be sitting here with some other retarded “facts” you read from your propaganda websites and I’ll still have a headache over having to read this shit and realize every day how stupid people are.

>>17446002
>>17446057
Here’s my theory on this (not backed by any facts but I think this is an interesting discussion): anti-vax propaganda is at an all time high, tons of retarded mothers are ignoring their doctors advice and of course similar to above posters who will gobble up anything they read on the Internet plenty of adults are now skipping flu vaccine.

In the same regards, in an effort to push back against anti-vax campaigns, doctors are getting people to get their flu vaccines earlier than ever, and everyone who believes in vaccinations is being “responsible” and getting them at the same time. The flu vaccine has roughly a 6 month, decaying shelf life.

So you combine anti vaccine morons running around getting the flu left and right and then all the vaccinated people have their vaccines start wearing down at roughly the same time, which creates an opening for the flu to get progressively worse in terms of its rate of exposure and obviously mortality (which is what has happened).

>>17446451
>OMFG CORONA IS SOOOO MUCH WORSE THAN THE FLUUUUU!!!!!
>kills 6x fewer worldwide than the flu in the US, within the same timeframe

ok boomer

>>17446451
go back to pol

I've never seen this comment anywhere but has anyone looked into how they count flu deaths. I doubt they do a flu test after a death. Are you guys sure they don't just count all flu-related symptoms as a flu-death to get that 80k number. Aka anyone old person who dies with a fever/cough gets counted.

I'm talking bout normal flu deaths ^

>>17446069

Ahhem.
>>245405416

>>17446649
People know how to diagnose the flu, anon.
If anything, the flu death count is underestimated since old people die of "pneumonia" all the time.

>>17445545
Buy the dip bro

>>17446707
Based chadinvestor

>>17445985
barely

>>17445545
http://www.china.org.cn/china/2019-02/22/content_74492747.htm
>"total flu deaths last year was 144, 56 in 2016, 41 in 2017."
imagine thinking Chinese statistics are completely fake

>>17446728
Holy shit it kills off .02% of working age adults is this the end of the world?

>>17446715
You should bro. The only way they won't recover is if this is actually a massive happening, which is most likely is not

>>17446733
*aren't

>>17446504
>A brand new virus that hasn't spread yet killed less people than an already long existing and outbroken virus

This is your brain on blue pills

>>17446797
Learn what the words "same timeframe" mean.
see pic in >>17446275

>>17446815
It. Hasn't. Spread. Yet.
Are you really this dumb

>>17446856
It spread around the world.
And it still killed 6x less than the regular flu did just in the US, within the same timeframe.

I was about to post a lengthy reply explaining the different facets of why coronavirus is worth preparing for. But then I realized the amount of energy I have spent dealing with people who simply dont care and want to believe whatever they wont. My advice to other anons here who use their energy to argue. DONT. Tell the people you care about, advise them to stock up on food and critical meds if they need them. Let god sort out the rest.

Amen.

>>17446886
>world basically in full panic mode
>GUYS I'M ONE OF THE SELECT FEW WHO REALIZE THIS IS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT

Imagine being this desperate for the flu to spread, mutate and cause a happening because you've watched loafs of zombie type survival movies and think you'd be ok and thrive in such a scenario

ffs stop arguing with math-illeterate retards, it is painful to see. DYOR should apply.

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU FUCKING IDIOTS BELIEVE THE CHINK NUMBERS? FUCK YOU

>>17446451
>plenty of adults are now skipping flu vaccine
imagine getting an annual flu vaccine when you dont work in healthcare

>>17446941
Because it matches up with what happens in the rest of the world.

>>17446069
In densly packed China where they believe in traditional medicine like dried tiger penises, the only thing full of shit is your mouth.

Not scary numbers, 1 week and no one will talk about this

>>17446995
I wonder will China get punished for being so fucking disgusting. It's no surprise this shit started there.

>>17446914
This, happening fags are the worst because they think they won't be the first ones to suffer when shtf and their supply of tendies dries up

>>17446969
I'm usually not one to check my own, but that's dubs and double sex number.

Diarrhea kills more people every year than the flu, yes, even in first world countries.

>>17445545

>no vaccine for corona virus

>incubation period is anywhere from 2 weeks to 27 days, which means it will infect potentially thousands of people per person.

>infection rate is extremely high, for every 10 people you interact with, 8 of them will be infected

>>17447047
Go back to whatever shithole you came from

>>17447169
>no vaccine
There never is for something new.
Until there is one.

>infection rate is extremely high, for every 10 people you interact with, 8 of them will be infected
It's a corona virus just like the common cold.
It couldn't even infect one fifth of that cruise ship that was on lockdown for weeks.

>>17446070
yes we do

>>17446130
you mean good in the ghettos

>>17445545

>>17446230
Biz is the reddit of 4chins

>>17447231
why do you spam every corona thread here? what's the point? are you paid? but why arguments are so low quality? is corona that bad so she is unfuddable?

>>17445545
>Annual flu has a mortality rate of .02%
>TWO HUNDREDTHS OF A PERCENT
>WuFlu has a rolling average mortality rather between 2-10%
>100 to 5000 times higher than annual flu

IT'S NOT EVEN AS BAD AS THE FLU, BRO!

God, you uninformed retards are insufferable. No wonder you can't make any money.

>>17447284
Are you paid to be here or just mentally ill? I'm an... actual doctor. This virus is nothing and I hope you fucking neck yourself in a month's time.

>>17447231
WuFlu acts on antibodies like SARS, HIV, MERS, Ebola, etc.

Here's how it works:
>Covid invades cells by bonding to ACE-II receptors found in some (but not all) cells of the body
>Body produces antibodies to fight it off
>Covid comes back and bonds to the antibodies to invade all cells of the body

A SARS vaccine was developed, but it killed all the mice it was tested on because it was able to invade all their cells at once. You can't develope an immunity to this disease. You can't make a vaccine.

>>17447284
MUH HAPPENING!!!!!
Kill yourself you dumb fuck zoomer

>>17447322
ACE doesn’t work like that lmao. Stay in school retard. Look it up on Wikipedia even.

>>17447296
Nice rebuttal, retard. Does your uncle work for the Chinese government too?

Man, you patients are in real fucking trouble.

>>17447322
>>17447284
And yet it kills 6x fewer people worldwide than the regular flu killed this season in the US alone.

Keep drinking that koolaid though.

>>17446860
holy shit you are an embarassing retard.

>>17447284
lmao now add the regular flu to that chart.

>>17446094
This. I hardly trust Chinese enough as it is. I had a Chinese gf once. ONCE

>>17447331
So are you saying ACE-II proteins aren't found in lung, small intestine, blood vessels, etc, or are you saying Covid-19 doesn't act on it?

Either way you're wrong.

>>17445545
death in china doesnt count, they arent humans.

>People thinking the virus is the issue and not China's economic shutdown etc.

Haha. Bulls...

>>17447336
Because it hasn't spread as far yet, you absolute mongoloid. We are in the opening act of a pandemic, not at the end. How the fuck are you so stupid?

>>17447351
The r0 for the annual flu is around 1.4-1.6

The r0 for Covid-19 is 2.6-7 depending of how harsh the containment measures are

You're an emotional idiot trying to cope with something you don't understand.

>>17447381
>OP: "the virus is a pretext for market upset"
>anon: "it's not the virus it's the market upset"

What are you doing my guy.

>>17447402
>We are in the opening act of a pandemic, not at the end
Flu season isn't over either.

>>17447402
>r0
That chart shows infection over time.

Add the regular flu to it and Corona disappears into a blip.

>>17447403
I'm not claiming exclusivity. I'm just saying, the bullish ones don't have a clue what's actually going on. And I thank them because that means more profit off of my inverses.

>>17447284
Imagine being this desperate to play zombie survival mode irl lmao

>>17447431
This retarded panic is creating bears, not bulls.

>>17447423
So you're saying a disease with demonstrably higher infectiousness rate and a demonstrably higher mortality rate "isn't as bad" as a disease with demonstrably lower infectiousness and mortality because... Why?

The only reason it doesn't appear to you as bad is because of the raw numbers. Do you really not understand how time works? Surely you can't be this stupid. You a nigger?

>>17447453
It's not just panic though. That's the thing. I don't like the market falling at all. I had to regroup and redirect because of it.

>>17447469
>So you're saying a disease with demonstrably higher infectiousness rate and a demonstrably higher mortality rate "isn't as bad" as a disease with demonstrably lower infectiousness and mortality because... Why?
Because the one with "lower infectiousness and mortality" infects and kills more by several orders of magnitude within the same timeframe.

>>17447476
What the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>17447487
Except that's fucking wrong, you retard.

>>17447512
I'm saying that I'm not speaking with opinion. I'm speaking on economic modeling and actual evidence.

>>17447521
>I'm not speaking with opinion. I'm speaking on economic modeling and actual evidence.
And what are you "speaking"?

>replying seriously to "pretending to be retarded" bait threads

>>17447518
regular flu death toll in US since December: at least 16k

corona death toll globally since December: 2.7k

>>17445545
Literally Jews are on all the popular business websites saying this is the buying opportunity of a lifetime. For people who are extremely anti-semtic you don't listen when they give advice.

>>17447545
Oh, you're one of those who are so touched as to believe the Chinese are releasing actual numbers

Carry on, there's nothing that can convince you. Unable to think for yourself and relying on authority figures to tell you what's real is no way to go through life.

>>17446451
>NOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND GUYS
>THIS THING WILL KILL US BOOMERS
>NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT ABOUT MY 401KERINO???

Lmao fuck off. It can't even kill pregnant women or children ffs. Boomers are just weak.

>>17447342
Nothing he said is wrong.
This season's flu is more deadly, even when you adjust for time to spread.

>>17446860
>This guy is suggestion that Corona has the same infectivity count because of timeframes.
>This is the people you take advice from.

>>17447568
Lmao ok retard.
It's worldwide now, a week will prove you wrong. But you'll probably accuse "the Jews" of fudging the numbers also.

Just work on your personal life and maybe you'll get a date, ok? No need to hope for the world to end. ;^)

>>17445545
15 MORE MINUTES BOYS UNTIL BLACK WEDNESDAY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKAg9zNbLf0

>>17446002
I also heard a theriy on pol that niggers are real they have pretty good deep fakes but i dont believe it.

>>17447568
We have figures from many other countries that reflect the same situation.

>>17447616
The numbers and timeframe don't lie. Cope.

>>17446797
This desu

>>17447296
In what position would a patient receive an appendectomy and what would be a healthy infection count post-op? Mr. Dr.

>>17447685
>Corona
>hasn't spread yet
oh boy

>>17447296
I hope you get coronavirus while treating people in your chiropractic clinic

>>17447905
Lmao imagine being this mad because the world won't end and women still won't have sex with you.

>>17447284
c0r0naViruS IS uNsToPpAbLE aLL bOoMeRs WiLL DiE

>>17446275

What you do not understand is that the normal influenzas are viruses that are basically constantly circulating in the population and have been doing so for a long time. Major part of the population actually carry it each year but very few get serious symphoms. There are constantly millions of people infected and the new waves are just fluctuations.

Now the corona is an epidemy that is originated from a point source sometime 3 months ago. It reached all of the China provinces in 21 days. When a new strain of flu was detected in China in 2009 it took 120 days to reach all provinces.

When it comes to deadliness, the corona has a running mortality ratio of 2.9%. This is constantly increasing, because the disease takes time to develop and the growing number of infected skews th number down. It was 2.1% a few weeks ago. The normal flu mortality is roughly 0.1% and it is almost completely killing only people who are already on the death bed. Currently, the corona has 0.9% mortality for people with no pre-existing illness.

>>17447923
At least I'm not spreading the DEADLY SUPERVIRUS

CORONAVIRUS IS JUST THE FLU

THE CCP AND NEWS ARE BELIEVABLE

ITALY

GOVERNMENT LOVES ME

IM AN ACTUAL DOCTOR

ALL BOOMERS WILL DIE YAY

NUH UH RETARD

>>17448036
Yes the people who say "it's not even as bad as the flu" can't even do basic math

>>17448050
Considering the "actual doctor" is struggling to answer a basic question of mine >>17447698
and googling his little heart out. I am going to call bullshit on the actual doctors in this thread except for me.

The virus is not comparable to the common flu, how bad it is yet to be seen.

>>17448036
What you don't understand is that most cases in China haven't even been detected because they are asymptomatic/mild.

Also, you know it't not just the same flu virus circulating every year, right? Influenza mutates too, that's why they have to create new vaccines for it all the time. The comparison to flu is entirely valid.

>>17448036
>the normal influenzas are viruses that are basically constantly circulating in the population
They alternate in vanishing almost entirely.
The pic in the post you quoted shows an incidence of virtually zero in week 40 (September) of 2019.

Also, what's happening in China is severe cases are pretty much the only ones being counted, since people don't tend to seek medical care like in the West.
Infection rates are almost certainly much higher, and thus the mortality rate much lower.

>>17448050
> ppl r dying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>17446108
Literally not a single reported death in any child >=10 yo as of yesterday.
The likelihood of death if you are younger than 40 is 0.02%. >98% of deaths in China and nearly all of them were over 60 trying to cure it with buffalo horn

>>17446100
Checked.
Correction was needed! Coronachan is just a catalyst.

why didn't you retards buy Gilead 2 weeks ago when we all knew they were making the cure?

ITS REAL HAPPENING LADS IT'S NOT JUST BAD FLU

>>17448127
>Also, what's happening in China is severe cases are pretty much the only ones being counted, since people don't tend to seek medical care like in the West.
Especially since many people with Corona develop nothing more than a cough.

>>17447231
It has an incubation period for up to 27 days, and people being infected and also coming up negative in tests is also happening. There is no way to know if the ship quarantine has worked.

>>17446904
Its not the end of the world. But we may have a situation brewing where you cant go to the store or the apotechary and buy what you need. Shops may be closed by the government as in Wuhan. Logistic chains are already being effected.

>>17446212
Because it isn't as widespread yet. The flu is literally 10 times less contagious and 500 times less deadly

>>17448316
>There is no way to know if the ship quarantine has worked.
You can test people for Corona during the incubation period.
The people on the ship are constantly tested.

Also, the ship quarantine was supposed to keep the virus on the ship.
Not so much to keep the virus from spreading within the ship (which was pretty much certainly going to happen anyway).

>>17448359
>The flu is literally 10 times less contagious and 500 times less deadly
This is based on extremely tenuous numbers on the part of Corona.

Many new infections in germany! One patient had "infinite" contacts during carnival season. ITS ALL OVER NOW.

is it possible that those who are considered healed will die young in the aftermath anyway? just like HIV you get symptoms, they disappear, then they come back to finish you off?

>>17448491
idk how bad this actually is, but whoever authorized Köln Karneval in the middle of it should be decorating a lamppost

IT'S WAY WORSE THAN FLU LOOK AT THE MATH WHY CAN'T YOU MATH LIKE ME

>>17445545
>(((Someone))) is trying to manipulate the markets, giving you the buying opportunity of a lifetime

The virus is the scapegoat for the bubble that started with the 2008 bailouts and was inflated for over a decade with insanely low fed rates. And you all keep arguing about whether this virus is a big deal or not.... Doesn't matter if it is. The bubble is a bigger problem

>>17445545
"show me the charts and ill tell you the news" this shit is just a ploy to crash the market a little, so when it recovers it'll look amazing

is bloomberg behind this?

>>17448982
There's a non-zero chance the American government created the coronavirus with the intention of destroying China.
If you can put them in a position of supplying the entire world... And then burn every single business that relies on them... That's worse than never building the infrastructure to begin with. They are fucked even if production goes back to 100% tomorrow

>>17446451
>He thinks the flu shot works.
Lol what a rambling dumbass. Every year, young healthy people get the flu shot then fucking die from the flu. Hundreds of thousands more get the shot and still get seasonal flu. You are a line-toeing moron sheep that will do anything your government and authorities tell you to do without thinking.

>>17447284
AHHHH QUICK. PANIC! SELL!!!

>>17445545
Trust the official numbers. Do not ever question them. Everything is fine