/biz/ - Business & Finance

Depends on who's in the house and senate I assume. Considering he wins.

>>17391625
It’ll be tied up in lawsuits for years and no one will pay back their debts anyway, causing a huge bubble pop and a ripple effect which, coupled with the other economic bullshit he plans to pull, would result in a depression

>>17391671
I'm guessing as soon as he starts the process many many more people will just stop paying even if the court takes years.

Why not have plans to make a max limitnof what tuition can cost etc to prevent more student loan debt.

>>17391625
No. It will never, ever happen. He'll never get elected either and die before his next chance. There won't be a day that this old fucking retard will be the leader of the free world. Cap this.

Idk. I'm thinking of refinancing my loan to a long term just to see how this shit shakes out since I am paying around ~650 a month

>>17391792
>thinks its the free world
More like clown world.

>>17391871
im paying the minimum now too just in case, 1800 a month here

>Be a politician
>Career depends on people voting for me
>See lots of people crippled by student debt
>Since I am a Democrat, I am not above orchestrating get-rich-quick schemes
>Tell them "I will increase your net worth by $50,000 overnight, guaranteed. I'm a career politician, you can trust me."
>The desperate college graduates vote for me, high on hopium
>Victory speech is "Thanks for the votes, suckers. No refunds."

>>17391890
I agree with this.

Pic fucking related. You're worse than a nigger if you vote for that cunt.

>>17392103
guess the answer is to just work 30 hours a week

>>17392200
yes, because the world works like that and will bend over for you instead of raping your ass and firing you the second you think you have anything to say about how much you should be working, you are not replaceable and there is not millions of people willing to work the required amount. Heh.

>>17392103
that's not how taxes work

>>17392292
how does it work :)

>>17392103
>calls someone's tax plan harebrained
>doesn't even know how taxes work

>>17392103
Are you fucking kidding me anon.

>>17392326
>>17392351
explain it niggers. this will be good. inb4 muh employer. go ahead.

>>17392103
Bait detected.

>>17391625
>forgiving 1.5 trillion in debts
>legislating the entire medical insurance and private healthcare industry pretty much out of existence and replacing with a system which will likely cost 1 trillion+ to run
Hmmm yeah that’s definitely gonna happen lmao. How fucking dumb are sanders voters lmao? Sad thing is he’ll probably get close to half the vote even if he doesn’t win. Thank god I’m not American

>>17392363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVnO3Ru2N7s

A $15 minimum wage would only harm the poor by making their limited dollars worth less.

I need to double my make it stack if this man gets elected. why does bernard want me to stay poor

>>17391731
Because that doesn’t grab the attention of naive idealists and also in today’s American political climate only a populist can win. Gone are the days of sensible politicians. Even if he wins highly unlikely he’ll do half of what he says. Like they say, presidents change but the policies more or less stay the same

>>17391625

if he actually does it he'll be a very popular president and hard to beat 4 years later

>>17392455
>implying arbitrarily forgiving $1.5 trillion in debt will not destroy investors’ confidence, have a massive deflationary effect, and fuck over a few banks/colleges
Lmao if Bernie wins you will see a guaranteed republican-controlled house and senate in the midterms after people see how messy his policies will be tok implement and after everything he tries to do gets held up in courts. Wouldn’t even be surprised if you see a few international court cases lmao. He’s just a typical arrogant US presidential candidate, thinking he can do what he pleases and move anything in the direction he so wishes. And people somehow think this guy is “grounded” and down to earth lmao

>>17392314
assuming he said 52% taxes above 29k, it would be 52% taxed on every dollar above 29k

>>17391625
He will. We should all get behind him. Fuck corporatists they don’t do shit for us anyway

>>17391940
you guys seriously have student loans costing you US1800 a month?

>>17392227
whoa there bud, what do you mean I can’t just set my own hours and work part time at the artisan basketweaving center down by the kabob shop and hoverboard rental

>>17392540
Bless your simple heart

>>17391625
He's not going to beat Trump, so no.

But in some weird alternate reality where he actually did, monied interests would still pull out every dirty trick in their arsenal to keep him from doing this.

>>17392532
that assumption is just that, an assumption. as far as I know that is not what he is saying at all (wealth tax)

>>17392599
Wouldn’t even need dirty tricks. You can’t just executively decide overnight that money owed for services already rendered is somehow no longer owed like nothing ever happened. They’ll just need to take the government to court. They could take it to the international court of arbitration if need be. A president can’t just cancel millions of legitimate contracts and agreements because he decides to

There is a vague law on the books already that lets the dept of education "modify" loans. So they can just "modify" them to have a zero balance and Bernie doesn't need Congress. This shit is happening and it is the most bullish fucking thing imaginable for crypto. Everyone here needs to be voting Bernie, nobody else can pump our neet bags like he can

>>17392103
This is how fucking dumb trump supporters are.

Incredible time we live in.

>>17392599
>implying
nobody likes Trump, bro.

>>17392705
mfw i live in europe.
mfw i dislike trump, hillary, bernie and the rest of the satanists just the same.
mfw u think there are 2 sides battling each other, when dems and repubs are the same shit.

kek

>>17392724
False equivalency is for idiots.
"Theyre all the same" is one level below "i dont vote"
Lazy fake intellectualism.

I lean conservative and can admit that No man has ever come close to the level of trump when it comes to destroying the notion of truth.

>>17392748
speaking in generalities isn’t particularly intellectual

If you're a big enough idiot to fall for the college scam you deserve to be in crippling debt.

Fuck niggers.

>>17392773
You dont have to use big words or write a paragraph to compare a mouse to a mountain, guy.

I fucking Hated hillary.
Its no excuse to vote for a guy who Clearly has no idea what hes doing and is purely an entertainer.
Patriots wouldn't put their retarded uncle as the CEO.

>>17391625

if he gets rid of my student loans i am gonna vote for him again in 2024

>>17392803
>>17392748
Lmao seethe more fag. 4 years later and people still peddling the “trump is clueless” line of argument because he disregards established political rules. I don’t agree with his style of politics at all but at least he’s stuck to many of his campaign proposals as much as he could (even if not the more specific ones like the wall but more general things like reducing illegal immigration etc) and also the economy has done pretty well under him. Also even if Bernie wins he’ll end up being as much of a nothingburger president obama was because the American system is not built for widespread sweeping changes—too many checks and balances, too many vested interests across the board from the left to the right, American population is actually a lot more centrist than social media and the MSM would have you believe, etc. Presidents change but the system stays the same.

WHY DON'T WE JUST ABOLISH CENTRAL BANKING INSTEAD?

>>17392803
>>17392908
Also I’m not American so don’t really feel emotionally on either side. But I’d rather have someone who will keep things stable than someone who could seriously shake investor confidence and inadvertently lead to a mild recession with his absolutely retarded, college-student tier policies which won’t even have time to pass before the midterms during which he’ll likely lose control of both the house and senate once Americans realise how much hes actually trying to change things because nobody likes uncertainty, especially when it’s their money and their pay checks that will take the hit and nobody else (assuming he even wins of course)

>>17392103
>>17392314
>>17392620
Seeing people this stupid makes me sad

>>17392532
Thank you for correcting him, but why bother

>>17391731
>price fixing
yeah, that always works out so well

>>17391625
If he gets elected should I just take max out student loans then? I didn’t take loans but now people who were irresponsible will get the slate wiped clean, I want in on that too wtf

>>17393000
>take out student loans
>use it on linkies
>get debt wiped away
!

>>17392908
Trump is still a bonafide retard, whether or not you agree with his policies or agree/disagree with leftists.

if you can't conclude that the man has lower mental faculties than should be required of the leader of a country, then I'm not sure there's much common ground we could have.

>>17392620
anon, i...

>>17391625
He isn't gonna win retard

>>17391625
>Is this mother fucker really gonna drop all student debt?

HELL FUCKING YEAH!

BERNIE SANDERS IS LITERALLY THE BEST FUCKING THING TO HAPPEN TO THE US

HE ALSO KNOWS WHATS UP WITH CRYPTO AND WILL ELIMINATE ALL BSVJEETS

>>17392103
>Pic fucking related. You're worse than a nigger if you vote for that cunt.

>>17392392
>Hmmm yeah that’s definitely gonna happen lmao. How fucking dumb are sanders voters lmao? Sad thing is he’ll probably get close to half the vote even if he doesn’t win. Thank god I’m not American

>>17392579
>Bless your simple heart

>>17392676
based and accelerate-pilled
>>17393183
can you give us an example of how retarded he is?

>>17391625
No, he can't. The only solution to this fucking mess is to stop federally insuring all student loans and making them forgivable under bankruptcy, so the loan givers would have to weigh risk and reward when granting loans, considering the students high school grades, chosen major, SATs, and deciding on whether or not a student is likely to pay the money back or not. Instead, its a debt slavery system where the ones loaning the money get paid regardless of whether or not the student is economically viable. It's a giant fucking joke and the entire system needs to be free marketized in order to fix it and bring college costs down but those at the top are making a fucking mint by ruining kids futures and enslaving them, some for their entire lives.

The entire financial system is a massive joke built on fiat currency.

YES we can abolish student loans.

YES the banks need to go bankrupt.

If you disagree, you're a commie piece of shit.

Wouldn't do it until his second term strategically. Whats he gonna have in the bag for bernie bros after if he does it 1st?
>rewarding people who kept their promise and cucking kids that did

>>17393292
>No, he can't. The only solution to this fucking mess is to stop federally insuring all student loans and making them forgivable under bankruptcy, so the loan givers would have to weigh risk and reward when granting loans, considering the students high school grades, chosen major, SATs, and deciding on whether or not a student is likely to pay the money back or not. Instead, its a debt slavery system where the ones loaning the money get paid regardless of whether or not the student is economically viable. It's a giant fucking joke and the entire system needs to be free marketized in order to fix it and bring college costs down but those at the top are making a fucking mint by ruining kids futures and enslaving them, some for their entire lives.
BASED

>>17392724
Sanders has got the Dems scared almost as much as the Repubs. Because he's actually advocating for labor to rise up and is not bought by billionaires like the parties are.

>>17393415
>Because he's actually advocating for labor to rise up
yeah it's going to be fun when the US dollar collapses and the working class in america is forced to cannibalize each other

t-thank bernie

>>17391625
I hope he wood.

>>17393403
That political cartoon pretty much sums the entire scam up. It still boggles my mind that the typical Bernie bro response is still "we need mo money for education" (aka keep doing more of the same shit that caused college to get more expensive). If less kids had access to nearly unlimited free education money, Universities would be forced to lower their tuition rates and there wouldn't be a giant debt slavery problem anymore.

>>17391792

He's correct. There's a law in presidential elections where people that look too old or tired don't get elected. Never be broken in the history of the USA. Bernie looks like he's days from being put in a nursing home.

>>17393550
Far fewer students with degrees. Far fewer professors. Far less research. But that's good because most is useless bullshit. The entire system is in a huge bubble.

>>17393550
>Universities would be forced to lower their tuition rates and there wouldn't be a giant debt slavery problem anymore.
Literally sanders platform. Tuition is reduced to 0. Student debt is reduced to 0. Welcome aboard

>>17393550
All Bernie's policy would do is take an already bloated and corrupt university system and force taxpayers to pay for it.

All of these scumbag "professors" with marxist/gender studies degrees would now have even more money and the taxpayer has to pay for them.
College would be extremely inexpensive in a free market and the education would actually correspond to the job market.

I hate leftists so fucking much, they're so fucking evil.

>>17393601
>Literally sanders platform.
That's not what Sanders wants at all you piece of shit.
He just wants taxpayers(YOU) to pay for these corrupt university scumbags.

I support canceling student debt(so do all libertarians because it's fake government created debt), but a government takeover is a terrible fucking idea.

>>17393601
No, Bernie wants more government money to pay. Taxpayers would get raped instead of the students.

If it was free market, nobody would get raped and colleges would need to provide a quality education for a fair price or go out of business.

I'm trying to figure out where the rich people will go after he becomes president, because I'm following the money. Countries have tried this before and failed catastrophically.

>>17393608
There is an element of evil to them, but it's more stupidity and laziness than it is evil.

>>17392103
>>17392227
He said the tax would be for 10m+ not 32k

>>17391657
Even if the dems have house and senate that doesnt mean they're going to vote for his insane leftist redistribution schemes

Sanders is just here to rally voices for Clinton like he did last time.
He will never get elected.

>>17393668
He wants to get rid of billionaires, he's fucking insane.
The amount of wealth in the world would shrink, economic production would grind to a halt.

>>17393619
It will be paid for with speculative transaction taxes on stock and derivative trades, not actual labor income tax. If the expense ratio on my index funds goes up, whatever.
>>17393649
Central Park

>>17393688
I don't agree with him at all, he's retarded. But the quote in that pic is false. (He'd probably try stupid shit like that though)

>>17392103
>/pol/ has low IQ was just a meme they said

NO THAT'S NOT FAIR MAKE THEM PAY LIKE THE REST OF US. DOCTORS AND LAWYERS ARE ALREADY KEKING US ENOUGH, NOW YOU'RE LETTING THEM COME OUT DEBT FREE?

>>17393608
uh no. if student loans are forgiven, school tuition would start to decrease, and these retard professors will start to get laid off. you're a moron

>>17393705
>It will be paid for with speculative transaction taxes on stock and derivative trades
That's fucking horrible. If you support something this retarded you shouldn't even be on /biz/
These costs will translate to increased consumer prices.

Also, it shouldn't even COST that much to begin with, we're just paying a fuckton more for an inefficient service for corrupt education monopolists.

>Central Park
lmao how does it feel that the right wingers in this country own almost all of the guns and wouldn't hesitate to slaughter you in a second if you commies tried your pathetic "revolution"

>>17393753
>school tuition would start to decrease
Why?
It would only decreased if we abolished government student loans which are the reason it's so expensive.
Artificially increased demand with restricted supply.

>>17393705
How about instead of making people who aren't even involved in the education system pay for it, we stop pumping the price of college with guaranteed government money that the university system uses and abuses college kids and taxpayers with? Seriously, do you think college would die altogether if we made student loans forgivable under bankruptcy and stopped giving colleges all this public money? Fuck no, the professors and admin would no longer have a gravy train and the bankers wouldn't be getting rich off of enslaving students anymore. Universities would be forced to provide a quality education for a fair price, or else face bankruptcy themselves. The current system is a fucking bubble and the government itself is letting it happen. The answer is not doubling down on it.

>>17391625
no he can't do shit. all he's going to do is make taxes 50-60% which makes $15 an hour actually less than $7

>>17393780
It would decrease because students who shouldn't be in college won't have the money up front to pay to attend at full price. In order to fill seats, they'd HAVE to lower tuition. It's econ 101.

>>17393788
>How about instead of making people who aren't even involved in the education system pay for it, we stop pumping the price of college with guaranteed government money that the university system uses and abuses college kids and taxpayers with? Seriously, do you think college would die altogether if we made student loans forgivable under bankruptcy and stopped giving colleges all this public money? Fuck no, the professors and admin would no longer have a gravy train and the bankers wouldn't be getting rich off of enslaving students anymore. Universities would be forced to provide a quality education for a fair price, or else face bankruptcy themselves. The current system is a fucking bubble and the government itself is letting it happen. The answer is not doubling down on it.
BASED

Why are you and I the only sane posters in this thread?

>>17393819
ignore this, I misread the comment I responded to, my bad

>>17392314
>>17392363
It doesn't seem to be specified in that post, or by Bernie I presume, but you're taxed on taxable income, not gross income. Taxable income is the dollar amount you're actually taxed on AFTER all deductions have been subtracted. The assumption in that post is that Bernie wants to tax 52% on gross income over $29,000, which is retarded and likely wrong (though it's Bernie, maybe he does want to change to code to do that).

Currently the standard deduction has more than doubled for everyone since the Obama era under the new Trump tax law. Currently as it stands, everybody is allowed a standard deduction of $12,200 if single and $24,400 if married filing jointly. Earning a $15 wage salary would gross you the $31,200, but taking the standard deduction alone brings TAXABLE income down to $19,000. So in order to actually be taxed at the 52% rate, you have to make at least $41,200, assuming you take the standard deduction only. Other tax deductions and credits may bring that amount down even further.

However, this is still retarded. Most people will almost never take any other tax deductions and credits beyond the standard deduction ever, and taxing what is basically the median income amount which would probably accounts for over half the country at over half their fucking income, well that's how heads start rolling. Bernie's playing real fucking dangerous game here.

You can vote for this commie piece of shit, or you can vote for trump who is going to enact Nesara after he arrests the deep state in this country and we return to constitutional law which makes the federal reserve, irs and most taxes unconstitutional.

>>17393861
There is LITERALLY no way he's going to fucking do this.
He loves the federal reserve and their low interest rate policy, he loves government spending.
You're dumb.

>>17393838
bernie wants to tax people like they do in scandinavia. they are taxed 60-80%

Sweden's top personal income tax rate was 61.85%, Denmark's was 55.8%, and Norway's was 38.52%

>>17391625
I paid my student loans off within a year because i went to school for something practical. If Bernie doesnt refund me for my student loans i am going to stop paying my taxes.

>>17393872
kek, are you retarded? he's been encouraging the fed to print money and has always tried to get the public to see that it's their fault the economy was crashing.

Gold will destroy the fed, and we are returning to a gold standard.

>>17392676
>bags pumped
>taxed at 70%
>break even

>>17393879
>and has always tried to get the public to see that it's their fault the economy was crashing.
No he's not you dumb Q boomer, he's taking credit for the high stock market which was due to central bank stimulus.

>Gold will destroy the fed, and we are returning to a gold standard.
The complete opposite of this is true, Trump is a fucking fed shill.
Go back to you Qoomer threads.

>>17393822
Dunno, it's really a shame that more people don't see it like this, the solution is really simple but most people don't think about it too deeply and just as a kneejerk NPC reaction they just say "we need mo money for college and dem millionaies and billionaies need to pay"

>>17393894
>taking credit for the high stock market
HE IS THE REASON ITS HIGH YOU FUCKING DELUSIONAL RETARD, HE HAS THE MAGIC WAND.
the economy was crashing and is in total shit right now but all he had to do was say how great the economy was doing and it went up.

>>17393894
https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/trump-nominates-gold-advocate-judy-shelton-for-the-fed-WNv2px7Zh0W6tMrD0XhloA

Kys

>>17393879
Why on Earth would the Federal Reserve ever let us go back to a gold standard?

>>17393901
>Dunno, it's really a shame that more people don't see it like this, the solution is really simple but most people don't think about it too deeply and just as a kneejerk NPC reaction they just say "we need mo money for college and dem millionaies and billionaies need to pay"
I really wish the libertarian movement didn't die.

>>17393904
>HE IS THE REASON ITS HIGH YOU FUCKING DELUSIONAL RETARD
No, the central bank money printing is.
Are you unironically a trump supporting Q boomer? lol

>but all he had to do was say how great the economy was doing and it went up.
lmao the stock market isn't the economy dumb dumb

>judy-shelton
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dude she testified and completely went against EVERYTHING she originally supported.
She's not even an austrian.
You're an idiot.

>>17393915
ignore the Q boomer

>>17393915
They will be forced too.
we will no longer be using the petrodollar fiat currency. the US Treasury will take over and issue a Crypto + Precious metal currency backed by a quantum computer.

>>17393766
Fucking this.

It's also no surprise that academia is full of marxists, it's that kind of system that keeps the government money flowing into their bullshit inflated bubble where they can ride on a literal gravy train for the rest of their lives. Capitalism threatens their livelihoods because they have literally nothing to offer the world in terms of a good or service. They're parasites in disguise and have no leg to stand on without government money. They might even have to get a real job.

>>17391625
I’m at the point where I don’t care

Republicans delusionally believe that this country can still be maintained
Democrats are on the same boat but want more degeneracy

>>17393930
>the US Treasury will take over and issue a Crypto + Precious metal currency backed by a quantum computer.

>>17392748
>theyre all the same is one level below i dont vote
They differ on four of five hot button issues, and that's it.
Democrats dogmatically protect large business interests and use US military pressure to maintain a strangle-hold on global politics. Republicans do the same thing, but don't try to hide the fact that they are doing it. The only major difference between the two is who they are trying to dupe into voting for them.

The only difference between Trump and other presidents is that he's too stupid to realize he shouldn't be saying as much shit as he's saying. If you think any world leader isn't playing the same ball game but with the sense to exercise tact and secrecy, I've got a bridge to sell you.

>>17393930
>we will no longer be using the petrodollar
You cant just throw claims out like that like they are evidence. That is a huge claim. Again, why the fuck would the Federal Reserve allow this? You know powerful people have been knifed in the butthole on television over this exact thing, right?

>>17392724
You have to be under 18 or borderline retarded lmao stop being the cliche european who has so much to say about american politics and go eat a bagel or something

>>17393996
The military will shove a missile up their ass if they do not comply. they no longer have the power they used to project.

>>17394001
Nah, hes right. Voting for anyone is just proving to the system that you are still buying what they are selling. They practice their mind control on us through the media, and then observe the results at the election. Neither side cares who you vote for, as long as you “rock the vote” to keep the machine running, and the two minutes hate on the air.

>>17394018
>bombing American banks on American soil in densely populated American cities filled with innocent American civilians
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

>>17394041
>american banks
The Federal Reserve is a privately owned corporation sitting on a private piece of land that is separate from the united States. They are their own country within the US.

When America gives aid money to israel, they are given 100% at the beginning of the year unlike other nations. this allows them to invest that money through the FED earning them interest which the US has to pay by borrowing money from the FED.

This pyramid structure is going to collapse soon.

If you want more information about how the US is ran read this
http://www.usavsus.info/

>>17394018
And you realize the Federal Reserve has literally ALL the power, right? They are the ones that fund the military. The majority of your surplus labor value goes right into their pockets, even if you dodge taxes. You work for them more than whatever company employs you. You have no idea the power they have. They are literally the slavemasters. You cannot take them by force, you just have to stop playing their game.
Buy Bitcoin.

>>17394070
>The Federal Reserve is a privately owned corporation
Im fully aware.
>sitting on a private piece of land that is separate from the united States. They are their own country within the US.
Are you retarded? There are Federal Reserve banks in almost every major city. Did you seriously think it was just one building? Fucking morons.

>>17394071
Bitcoin is their game, ((they)) created it so they can launder money untraced.

the US has been working for decades on a crypto coin but the enemy released bitcoin first.

>>17394086
inside London there is a separate country called "the City of London"

Inside washington DC there is a separate country called the "District of columbia".

>>17394091
God damn, i didnt know it was possible to sustain life with so few brain cells. Bitcoin is sound money, and is a public distributed ledger. It wouldnt even matter who created it because its reached a point where no single person has control over it. Seriously, read a book.

>>17394105
And there are Federal Reserve banks in New York and Chicago. Whats your point?

>>17394118
unless you control mining which is 55% controlled by china.

>>17394130
The Headquarters is in washington DC

>>17392001
I can't even imagine this guy being manipulative though

>>17394091
So sick and godamn tired of (((pol))) invading this board. Can always tell by the brain damage in their post adding nothing of value.

>>17393629
You know, you guys like to call Sanders idealistic but this libertarian/ancap vision is no less naive. What would really happen in your system is that the only the rich would get a quality education. Public Universities were free, or very low cost up for a long time, up until fairly recently. Are you aware of this?

>>17392103
> its another conservatives-cant-into-progressive-tax-episode
when will they learn

>>17394091 #
So sick and godamn tired of (((pol))) invading this board. Can always tell by the brain damage in their post adding nothing of value.

>>17394171
You can take this information and use it to be very wealthy, or you can be a retard and do exactly what you are doing and ignore everything.

>>17393688
> The amount of wealth in the world would shrink
redistribution via taxation does not destroy the means of production you retard

What does he mean by forgive student loans? Take tax payer funds (and inflated currency) to pay off the lenders? Lol that is fucking Jewish af

>>17394179
Good, only smart and the wealthy belong in school. Most people belong on an assembly line inhaling lead fumes, not studying law.

>>17394199
you do realize rich people don't just have billions sitting collecting dust in a bank account. most of their wealth is in assets like companies, stocks, property and such.

>>17394204
Talking about government loans here, so the government would be paying itself off, basically.

>>17394211
Right, your vision is dystopian and self defeating. I choose to act as if there is actually hope for a brighter future. Whether or not there really is, I don't know.

>>17394190
Only the tinfoil hatters can get "wealthy" with your ""knowledge"" you trailerboy

>>17394159
>unless you control mining which is 55% controlled by china
By that logic, the fact that its all mined on planet Earth makes it completely centralized. Even being majority Chinese mined, no one person can decide to just print a Bitcoin. It doesnt work that way, we know it doesn’t work that way because it’s easily verified on a PUBLIC DISTRIBUTED LEDGER.

>The Headquarters is in washington DC
Good for the headquarters, what do you think happens if you blow it up? I was going to give you a hint, but its clear you arent the brightest so I will just tell you. New York becomes the new headquarters. Congratulations, you have just made yourself look like a terrorist and accomplished exactly nothing in the fight against central banks.

>>17394179
I'm not AnCap or even Libertarian. But that's beside the point here.

>Only the rich would get a quality education

At current prices yes. But there aren't enough seats in colleges that can be filled by rich kids. Tuition would have to fall in order to fill them all. It's basic econ. You can also spare me with the "quality" argument as well. Take a look at the average college after an increase in funding. Educational quality doesn't change but they sure as shit get pay increases for their staff and they knock down perfectly good buildings and replace them with brand new ones and get new landscaping done.

Colleges shouldn't even need a fucking campus in this day and age. There's no reason for college to cost as much as it does, and I mean that not for just what the student pays, but for what the taxpayers pay and everyone else involved pays in grand total. The faculty rides a gravy train at the expense of their students, and they sell socialism to their students because that's what keeps their gravy train rolling full steam ahead. They're threatened by a free market. A free market means they no longer have a monopoly and can no longer price gouge their students and the taxpayers and no more debt slavery for student loans on economically unviable degrees. These fucking people are the enemy. Why can't you see this? I'm not being facetious.

>>17394245
ALL bitcoin farms in china are owned by the CCP, they could easily do a 51% attack but the US called out china. their plans went to shit when the Trump administration popped the 2017 bubble.
Trump has also said he doesn't like bitcoin.

You don't need to print billions, you can do a 51% attack and transfer wealth by manipulating the ledger.

i wasn't talking about physically blowing up the building you retard. the military is one of the most powerful entities in the world. The military was strangled by democrat politicians basically saying if you don't do what we say we won't pay you. with the trump administration the military has been revived, they are the most funded in history and they stand by trump which is powerful.

None of you understand what is going on. Bernie or some democrat or some shithead republican isn't going to win any presidency. The Military will have a coup d'etat and take over the government if trump lost. that was their plan back in 2016 but they hired trump to do it peacefully.

This is not another 4 year election. after trump is gone the entire economic and Government system will be forever changed.

>>17394301
Ok bud. See you in 2024.

>>17392532
This
>>17392532

Also 50% of us citizens make less than $31k anually (likely pretaxes)

>>17394268
I agree with some of your points, but I can tell you that its not the faculty who are riding the gravy train, it's the administration. The president of my university makes 1.2 million per year. None of my professors make anywhere near that. There obviously IS a huge amount of bloat in the system, which has come from the student loan bubble. I do not for one second believe the government can take over paying tuition at the current levels that are being charged.

Voting Democrat this year. 100% going against Trump.

Republicans are corrupt, scumbags.

Never thought I'd see the day I actually wanted a certain political party to win, as I never believed in bipartisanship before. Makes me ashamed to think I voted Trump.

Not again.

>>17392783
This
>borrow money and cry you don't want to pay it

>>17394230
A brighter future is people doing what they're meant to do. Brainlets screwing in bolts for their midwit managers, high IQ individuals doing everything else while the poop throwing mud people stay in their own countries eating dirt.

Should i go back to college for another degree but take loans as payback for having to pay the first time around? If this guy gets elected which I'm getting the vibe he will, I walk away debtless.

>>17394389
voting for traitors, 80% of the democrat party will be arrested for treason, 20 of republicans will be arrested for treason.

>>17394218
They aren't "government loans"

They're bank loans that the government essentially told lenders they had to make

>>17394398
This country will never be socialist or communist. Do it at your own risk.

This board is completely compromised by reddit commies
Fuck bernie sanders he’s an open boarders free gibs handouts kike

>>17394446
The worst part isn't the gibs either, it's the breakdown of the family, it's the mass disarmament, it's the pandering to retarded minorities who want all of their cousins in jail on assault charges dumped back into the streets, the open borders, the perpetual continuation of foreign aid to Africa and Israel (Yes, sending billions to Palestine is the same as sending money to israel).

He's a complete globalist kike. I would rather vote for Stalin than this degenerate kike globohomo

>>17394412
What bank? Fuckin wells fargo? You don't know what you're talking about kid.

>>17394468
stalin was actually his hero.

>>17394388
They absolutely are, because their salaries are still inflated by the bubble that the system that employs them benefits from. Even if you disagree, they still shill the system that grants them free peanuts while making their admin bosses rich off the blood of the students they claim to care so much about. These people are as evil as the capitalists they claim unjustly get rich off the backs of poor people, id argue they are even far worse because of the amount of hypocrisy they display while on their soapboxes.

>>17394473
Yes you moron

>>17394179
>What would really happen in your system is that the only the rich would get a quality education.
What would really happen in your system is that the only the rich would get a cars.
What would really happen in your system is that the only the rich would get a computers.
What would really happen in your system is that the only the rich would get a smart phones.

You people are a broken record.
Education would cost pennies in a free market.
I mean it's already essentially fucking free, this entire idea about education is a massive joke as if it's a scarce resource or something when the internet exists.

>>17394468
Based
Anyone who supports this ultra zionist is bottom of the barrel IQ and is a complete failure in life, a bernout

>>17394481
Well now you're just talking like yet another idiot. You think all the professors at all of the schools are shilling for Bernie or something? Okey doke..

>>17394488
I wonder where you see yourself in your natural hierarchy of people in their place. Better get ready to screw some bolts cause you ain't nearly as bright as think you are.

>>17394488
We should just cancel the loans then.
Completely.
I mean if the US dollar collapses, these companies would go bankrupt anyway.

>>17394526
Of course not every single one, but I'd bet my left testicle that they support Bernie disproportionately to any other candidate.

>>17394508
Yeah but I mean if your education comes from the Internet, then you're gonna end up a goddamned moron most likely. That much should be obvious by now LOL. People who have gone before can provide some structure and guidance as to what is important to know in your field.

>>17394526
The government is over 20 trillion dollars in debt, moron. Where do you think the financial aid services got the money to provide you with that loan? You are sending your money to Goldman Sachs.

>>17394568
Boy you really are a goddamned genius aren't you? Congress is where government funding comes from.

>>17394565
>structure and guidance
sure, but the cost of this should be extremely fucking cheap, it's not difficult to be a teacher, especially when all of the resources are readily available

>>17394601
>Congress is where government funding comes from.
No, the federal reserve is where it comes from.

>>17394608
It really depends what field you're talking about. To be at the top of your field in a hard science, it takes extraordinary brains, work and training. I mean you're basically at the top of the pyramid of all human knowledge to date. So I think it definitely deserves a reasonable compensation.

>>17394614
Ok sure. But that a central bank of the U.S. It's still the government.

>>17392103
you are retarded my dude

>>17391625

Free shit, just trust me bro - the jews, late roman empire

>>17392314
>>17392363
You are dumber than a streetwalking nigger

Bernie will win. Trump is a jewish slave. Only tripfags, jews, and white boomers like Donald trump

>>17391625

Yes

https://youtu.be/KRnddZ1t8SA

>>17392001
U forgot >Independent running as a Democrat
Trump was originally a Democrat and we can't even get Congress to boot him out.

>>17392532
So basically everybody takes home minimum wage untaxed.
Everything above minimum wage gets taxed at 52%.

>>17394958
Yep. Don't forget about state taxes too.

>>17393292
fucking this. a million times this

make this nigger president

>>17392935
Fuck off with your antisemitism

>>17395250

Would you stop fighting roaches if they tried to destroy your house?

https://youtu.be/KRnddZ1t8SA

Bernie sanders is really gonna give free college to someone graduating harvard with a medical degree who is gonna earn 500k out of college

>>17392599
>>17392712
>02/22/20(Sat)22:22:22 No.17392599

Dat underrated get. 22:22:22 on the clock,99 dubs on 2/22/20.

Motherfucker, Kek has spoken. 4 more years coming in hot. Prepare your angus.

>>17392401
That's not how it works.

>>17396181
No he isn't. He has almost 0 chance of being elected, and even if he is, will have the support of almost nobody in Congress to enact any of the shit he's promising.

>>17391625

Sanders seems like a fundamentally nice guy, but if he gets elected this will be the US version of the Britbong leftists electing Corbyn. Very popular within the core base, but nowhere near the broader appeal necessary to be elected.

When it comes to the left/democrats/Labour, there's only one method I've ever seen work: being a moderate. Countries like the US and UK seem a lot more tolerant of further-right policies than they do further-left. Probably because further-left typically involves higher taxes and more control.

>>17391625
He will crash the US economy and completely devalue the dollar. Pic related is his senior economic advisor. She believes in MMT, a school of economics that says you can just print money with no consequences.

>>17392392

> legislating the entire medical insurance and private healthcare industry pretty much out of existence and replacing with a system which will likely cost 1 trillion+ to run

Medicare and Medicaid alone already cost well over $1tn to run.

A lot of burgers don't seem to realize that universal healthcare would actually be a lot cheaper for taxpayers. US health welfare programs have to pay private healthcare prices for treatments and meds which are WAY higher than anywhere else in the world. Meanwhile in countries like the UK the NHS, being one of the largest single buyers on the planet, negotiates far lower prices with pharmaceutical companies.

https://www.crfb.org/papers/american-health-care-health-spending-and-federal-budget

It fucking truly amazes me that so many burgers defend this system where the country is paying twice as much per GDP on healthcare than any other in the world.

>>17391625
Unless I get paid back for the money I already put into my loans, he won't get my vote.

>>17393183

>>17397313

Universal healthcare is no healthcare but you're paying through the nose for it. As a European I must urge you to shoot all Communists at any given opportunity, because they will steal the floorboards from under you.

>>17392532
Why wouldn't you racists support this?
Mexicans should be supported by you salaried cucks.

>>17396307
it is though because they would need to print more money to control unemployment

>>17397342

Burgers spend more on health insurance than the portion of taxes Brits pay towards the NHS. And if burgers actually get sick then they have co-pays and deductibles which mean they spend even way more, AND they can still become bankrupt due to medical costs even with health insurance.

You are defending the most cucked system in existence.

>>17397369
Between raised taxes and the inflation from money printing being a tax on non utilized money it would amount to more real purchasing power for the working American.

>>17397333
>has a hardon for mormons
Zion don does it again.

>>17397313
Unless you work in Healthcare you won't understand. Most people in the hospital are there from fucking up, and then continuing to make it worse. We have frequent flyers. It's to the point we programs targeting frequent flyers because we don't get paid for a readmit within a month and some of these renal, diabetic, and heart failure retards are non-compliant to the point of visiting the ED every two weeks for the same thing. If anything we need to skew things so heavy consumers are punished for this while random shit like trauma, cancer, or pneumonia, etc. don't have to bear the brunt of costs. Social medicine only works in a society that gives a fuck about there health. A person with diabetes shouldn't have a bmi of 45, a person on dialysis shouldnt skip dialysis two times in a row because they are staying home for the sportsball game, and chf shouldn't fuck their body up over holidays and then come in Monday acting like they have no idea why they can't breathe and weigh 10kg more than they did a week ago. I'm upset already because of how much taxes go towards these beyond worthless humans who are a net drain on society. They should be ashamed, not continuing to further burden as already encumbered system.
Something like a three strikes law for noncompliance. Lenient, but also brackets for health conscious and idgaf, maybe one in between. With costs based on these categories.

>>17397446
I saw a report that had one guy, one fucking guy, go to the ER for booze poisoning so much he knew all the staff by name. Averaged a visit a week for years. Of course once social services got him stable and his booze problem fixed up, stopped visiting, hospital stopped spending millions a year on this one guy. That was in mass. When I was in texas it was the dregs of society (illegal illiterate migrants) shitting things up for their common cold.

>>17397488
>their common cold
Utah reporting. Mexicans are everywhere. Send help.

>>17393000
>>17393049
Theoretically, if Bernie does wipe away student debt, is there any reason this wouldn't work? I haven't read much about the actual process they would use to wipe debt.

>>17397550
It'll likely be like Obango's DREAMER program, that is they'll have a cut off point at which they accept people into the program. Ex: your loan is forgiven if you have a loan before this cut off point (a year before the law comes into effect). Thus you'd need to take one out now if you'd want in and then you'd have to way out the risk of 1. Bernie becoming president and 2 Bernie implementing the legislation. So its a meme just like Bernie.

>>17397446
Isn't there an incentive for private health care to see frequenters return for profits? Surely a system that's aimed to prevent this would have to be bureaucratic rather than profit seeking because if profit seeking and incentives where put on a business there would be incentive for unethical shortcuts. I hope you allow yourself some pride for working in care and I think the cynicism is very understandable.

>>17397488
What do you think would be a fair way to address this problem? More specialized care earlier might even save money?

Generally concerning frequent flyers and such we see the exponential distribution the same way we see normal distri in society, it just happens naturally out of the presence of innumerable factors being at play. I'm very sympathetic with your ire for these who burden everyone else simply because they are incompetent, selfish or hypochondriacs or such. Personally I'd see it as a mental health issue that society could engage in because if we want to keep ethics that's the only practical view. Troubling stuff.

>be me
>if Bernie gets elected take out a cool 1mil in student loans
>he signs a executive order nullifying me having to pay it back
>instant millionaire
yall niggaz hate to see it

>>17397602
Reagan and the ACLU getting rid of institutions was the perfect storm of a generation spanning fuck up. Some people should be committed regardless of how they feel about it until they get healthy and quite frankly I think some people are unable to function in society and should remain institutionalized.

I agree with more preventive/preemptive interventions, especially for those with drug problems or indicators.

As to the sudecas - every other country in the world deals with immigration better than we do. Send em home. All of em. And start locking up their employers. Ironically, this is the strongest socialist position in terms of benefiting our working class - the berninator used to at least verbally agree but has since gotten on the crazy train of open borders.

>>17397488
It's mind blowing how they don't care about their health. Kind of understandable if it's a you do you thing but these assholes always have children or grandchildren. At that point it starts to seem even more selfish, like wtf are you doing with your life why put them through this.
>>17397602
A lot of them are Medicare/medicaid. If they readmit the cost is on us and we push it back on kids with a green bean in their nose or the guy that shot a nail in his hand. Another thing is people wanting to keep going through painful treatments that at best give the 'loved one' another two or three days at best in suffering and having machines and drugs keep them breathing and heart pumping. I've broken a lot of ribs doing cpr when the patient says full code, but sometimes they can't say if they want everything done, or it's obvious the patient wants to die well buh fucked up families and legal weirdness means we'll code back to back within hours of each other and know damn well they won't be walking out of the hospital. The concept of quality of life is lost on many of these. It's not about the money to me here as much as why put grandpa through all this? I do take pride in my work and when I fix something it feels good, but the wastefulness quickly makes one weary. It's frustrating because there's little clarity and no obvious way to fix the system since it's mostly outside factors manifesting as fucky stuff in the health system. Some people only take three meds but can't say the name, dese, or even what it's for. More often it's seven or ten drugs, and they don't take as prescribed randomly doubling up, or worse. Ignorance is one thing and a huge part of Healthcare is education. No cure for willful ignorance though, some won't even try.
You mention preventative medicine which is great, but hard to keep funded because we're inundated with the readmits. The ones who become this way have little interest in checkups and just run their body into the ground too.

>>17397788
Maybe instead of teaching how the black transwoman really discovered America but were tricked by evil kkkristopher kkkolumbus and teaching a basic health class people would understand better. I was homeschooled so not sure what's in the curriculum but from what the schools put out I don't see how they manage to take up even two hours a day, much less eight or however long it is.

>>17391625
He's a literal communist and you expect him to know how money works?

>>17397869
He knows enough to make himself a millionaire.

>>17397297
Pipe down you Jew and boomer apologist. Nobody cares what you think this is a brown country now

>>17391625
he won't because he must actually be president to do anything

>>17397297
Holy shit is this real

>>17391625
Looks like the (((media))) is prepping another “anti-establishment” populist that gets into office but then immediately does nothing except serve Jewish agenda (E.g Trump)

>>17397788
Thanks for your insight I can only image how it wears on the mind.

>>17397764
Concerning immigration I think too that an open border policy is bonkers for many and important reasons. I am largely ignorant on the US border situation as I'm not American but as for what I can see it seems very hard to implement any kind of deportation as it would give rise to accusation culture. Anyone who knew where immigrants hide could extort them via threats of informing on them. There would be those Americans who protected immigrants fairly integrated into their local society pitting any federal enforcement against the people. The extortion could then happen with threats of handing over between Americans as to who harbors fugitives and not. It's already a popular ethical question and the polarization that arises from it is already dangerous in itself. I also think that enforcement would ultimately have to face choosing between inability to do their job and using unethical means to carry out their duty.

Speaking of employers I remember a couple years ago a local business that had immigrants working very cheaply for them. The police found out and the owners were locked up for slavery. This was in Finland and the situation is no need to say, completely different here. Just an anecdote.