/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17266172
not sure if i get what he thinking but im thinking based

Tfw ETH will just be a hobby sidechain of BSV

>>17266172
what's his position on sex?
good?

>>17266172
What are the most used dapps on BSV?
How much BSV is locked in BSV's equivalent of Maker?
How do I register the equivalent of an ENS name using BSV?
How can I create another asset on the BSV chain? Can those assets be trustlessly borrowed and lent by third parties?
ETH has development velocity that no bitcoin clone can match. When will you kids learn?

Okay, real talk, ignoring all the drama and crypto-celeb bullshit, which of the contenders for the title of "Bitcoin" works best? I literally do not know and I honestly would like to.

Which one can deliver most transactions per second?
Which one has the fastest transaction times?
Which one has the lower fees?
Which one simply WORKS AND DOES ITS FUCKING JOB BETTER?

You guys do nothing but yap and bitch about unimportant BULLSHIT when we should be focusing in the facts laid bare.

>>17266801
Nice to see anon who's willing to learn, bsv has already won, it can basically scale as much as there's demand and the only one that's capable of doing microtransactions.

>>17266172
just got delisted for me today

>>17266401
>>17266801
look at this samefagging piece of fucking SHIT who is too fucking lazy to DYOR

>>17267097
you didn't do any research you fucking jeet. you are just regurgitating the usual sv cuck fallacies.

>>17266172
>billionaire
not anymore

>>17267143
coin.dance

proof that BSV is superior and btc and bch are overpriced vaporwave who only have value because of the brand

>>17266401
>BSV's equivalent of Maker
this can't happen because it's not turing complete, there is no computation done at the bsv chain
now, they could fork it and get the code from ethereum/ etc/ eos and make bsv turing complete
my guess is they don't have an excuse to go full mETH

>>17266801
>Which one can deliver most transactions per second?
excel and hyperledger
>Which one has the fastest transaction times?
excel and hyperledger
>Which one has the lower fees?
excel and hyperledger
>Which one simply WORKS AND DOES ITS FUCKING JOB BETTER?
how do you even measure that
bsv orphans blocks all the time, is that working for you?

you're asking all the wrong questions, by the way
good job

>>17267221
lmao, the fact that Bitcoin Script is Turing complete due to being isomorphic to a 2-stack PDA has been known for ages

>>17267221
>he doesnt know....

>>17267263
It has been known 5 years now because satoshi himself told it and still these fucking brainlets don't want to believe it.

>>17267097
Not a samefag. Two different people asked you questions you find difficult to answer.
You can't even answer one of my questions can you?
>>17267221
Kek what the actual fuck. While you are talking about all the things that BSV could copy from Ethereum if they wanted to, the world will continue building on Ethereum.
>my guess is they don't have an excuse to go full mETH
By "full mETH" do you mean "building a platform that enables DeFi and delivers on everything bitcoin was supposed to be"? Because maybe if BSV could do half of the stuff in my list it would actually be useful.
>>17267263
>>17267278
>>17267303
An Australian fraudster claiming that it is Turing complete does not count as proof.

>>17267364
no, but the fact that it can perfectly emulate a 2PDA, which is known to be Turing complete, does count as proof, there has demonstrably been run various cellular automata with Script to showcase this

>>17266222
Checked. ETH has given rise to so many scams... it shouldn’t survive

>>17266299
Not sure rabbi kike what’s yours ? What are your sexual deviances you degenerate ?

>>17267364
He's by far the best fraudster humanity has ever seen.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3160279
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3265157
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3265146

>>17267364
>”kek what the actual fuck”
You faggots think you can come on this board, shit on board culture and use terms blatantly WRONG
FUCK RIGHT OFF BACK TO R3DDIT YOU OUTSIDER BETA HOMOSEXUAL

>>17267425
>https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3160279
>As old blocks cannot be erased from the Blockchain, but new blocks can be added, the Oracle and the Blockchain will work as a non-erasable Turing Machine as described in Minsky et al. (1967).
it's so simple, and totally obvious to anyone with a background in computer science and computer engineering, I have a hard time comprehending how people don't get it

>>17266172
T W E R K I N t h i s F R A U D

>>17267209
proof lol it's pointless circle-jerk
bitcoin is proof of work not proof of pajeet websites not proof of shilling or proof of whining or proof of forging documents or proof of shitposting.

and the proof of work is on btc about 3500 yottahash ahead of the shitforks.

>>17267539
that's 3500000000000000000000 for the numerically challenged

>>17266172
BSV - use wash trading by Calvin on shady exchanges that haven't delisted BSV yet in order to pump and dump on gullible retards

>>17266871
>shitcoin is capable of doing microtransactions
wow, its like all its transactions arnt considered micro or something

>>17267412
>trying this hard
>implying sex is degenerate
>implies doesn't have sex
>implies not producing children
>implies discouragement of others from producing children
>calls others kikes

>>17266172
>Based billionaire boomer telling cold truths on twitter.
>Calvin Ayre

>>17267466
Exactly. Most of this space is full of fucking RETARDS.

t. Computer Engineer

>>17267570
sorry
3500000000000000000000000000
i messed up a bit on the count
3000000000000000000
being the hashrate of sv so only 31 years to overtake if bitcoin would only stay put...

>>17267618
well,apart form the fact he's neither
(a) billionaire
(b) based
(c) telling the truth
all seems legit otherwise

>>17266172
yes sir pls buy real Bitcoin(ticker BSV) very good sir thank you sir

>>17267499
GO BACK TO R3DDIT AND TWITTER HOMO

BTC is the most popular. And the most popular usually doesn't mean most fit for it's purpise. Just look at Web Dev and HTML.

And BTC transfers are still way faster and way cheaper than SEPA/SWIFT transfer.

>>17267596
>use wash trading
Broken English- Paid blockstream shitskin confirmed

>>17267656
computer engineer myself; cheers

>>17267616
Fuck you degenerate faggot kike shills straight to hell. Israel has no right to exist

>>17267466
programmer here bitcoin never was and probably never will be turing complete. sorry.
it is a well known fact that any turing machine can emulate any other. so once you write and execute a javascript engine on bitcoin script i will believe you.

>>17267779
it always was, and always will be
see:
>>17267425

>>17267699
>>17267734
trying to fit in a little TOO hard are we, streetshitter

>>17267797
but it's not it can't even emulate the simplest of turing machines. the subleq machine

>>17267466
>>17267797


They are all midwits with absolutely no intellectual curiosity on the matter regardless.

See:

>>17267779

>>17267850
showcasing your ignorance on a subject is not an argument brainlet

>>17267820
FUCK YOU KIKE
>brown ID
how does your schizophrenia allow you to call other pajeets when you have a brown ID on this thread ?

>>17267825
Okay, here's the crypto blackpill. There's an AI living on the bitcoin blockchain, Craig Wright is unironically satoshi..

>>17266172
Bro that's barely fucking English. Is he dyslexic?

>>17267716
I'm literally copying Calvin's writing style in that post you fucking moron. Of course the double IQ BSV jeet didn't pick up on that.
And yes, the English was broken, Calvin's English. That's the person that you're trusting with your hard earned money lmao.

>>17267893
An AI living on the blockchain is more plausible than Creggo being Satoshi

>>17267893
lol which one of these statements are you actually denying?
1) any turing machine can emulate any other turing machine
2) subleq is a single instruction machine proven to be turing complete
3) bitcoin provably can't emulate the subleq machine

>>17267891
eh, 5/10 trolling. and thats generous

>>17266801
>Wants to know which does the best job of being bitcoin
>doesn't mention security
>doesn't mention reliability
>doesn't mention censorship resistance
>spouts a bunch of irrelevant shit
GO BACK TO SCHOOL YOU DUMB BITCH

>>17267941
1) true
2) true
3) because no one has given enough of a shit to emulate it; go do it yourself, it's fully possible
meanwhile you're ignoring all the proof presented to the contrary, not to mention the actual technological basis for why it actually is Turing complete

>>17267989
>it's fully possible
no it's not this is not about wishful thinking but the fundamental properties of these systems.

>>17267926
double digit IQ*
inb4 BSV pajeet decides to point that out, but not before sucking on fat turd bag dumped by Calvin after his successful wash trading on literally who exchanges.

>>17267989
>you're ignoring all the proof presented to the contrary
i have seen it it's all bullshit. decider my ass. if you run bitcoin script or blockchain through an external turing machine sure you can do turing complete calculations. but that doesn't make the "tape" turing complete.

>>17268007
yes, and a fundamental property of Bitcoin is that it's Turing complete; plugging your ears, screaming, and running off in the other direction doesn't change that

>>17267869

I'm not making an argument, just calling you an unimaginative midwit who parrots what other midwits have said instead of thinking for yourself

>>17268026
you're not getting the point, which is that you can put the decider on the blockchain as well, netting you a 2PDA, which, as has been stated repeatedly now, is well-known to be Turing complete

>>17268053
but it's not so if your script is not on the blockchain all of it and it's not deterministic in execution it's not only not turing complete but not remotely useful.

who the fuck would accept your open ended contracts? go play your non deterministic forward selector games in a quiet corner!

>>17268030
nah it's objectively bullshit man, but go ahead and try prove it.

>>17268088
>but it's not so if your script is not on the blockchain all of it
it is all on the blockchain
>it's not deterministic in execution
not necessary for Turing completeness
>not remotely useful
extremely useful, as will become more and more evident

>>17268121
>not necessary for Turing completeness
are you serious? a turing machine is fully deterministic
>extremely useful
no nondeterministic open ended contracts are completely useless

>>17267893
Here's the blackpill for BSV indians who want to get rich over night.
Craig is a fraud and he's going to jail soon.
Calvin is a degenerate millionaire retard that pumped his bags by trading with himself and now he's dumping on you retards so he can afford more underage thai prostitutes.
BSV is a fucking train wreck and a hilarious one at that.

>>17268142
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness

>Computability theory characterizes problems as having, or not having, computational solutions. The first result of computability theory is that there exist problems for which it is impossible to predict what a (Turing-complete) system will do over an arbitrarily long time.
>The classic example is the halting problem: create an algorithm which takes as input (a) a program in some Turing-complete language, and (b) some data to be fed to that program; and which determines whether the program, operating on the input, will eventually stop or will continue forever. It is trivial to create an algorithm that can do this for some inputs, but impossible to do this in general. For any characteristic of the program's eventual output, it is impossible to determine whether this characteristic will hold.
>This impossibility poses problems when analyzing real-world computer programs. For example, one cannot write a tool that entirely protects programmers from writing infinite loops, or protects users from supplying input that would cause infinite loops.

>A computer with access to an infinite tape of data may be more powerful than a Turing machine: for instance, the tape might contain the solution to the halting problem, or some other Turing-undecidable problem. Such an infinite tape of data is called a Turing oracle. Even a Turing oracle with random data is not computable (with probability 1), since there are only countably many computations but uncountably many oracles. So a computer with a random Turing oracle can compute things that a Turing machine cannot.

>>17268153
I'm starting to wonder if the fraud lasts through the BSV halving
>>17268183
why don't you dispute this?
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/25427/the-bitcoin-scripting-system-is-purposefully-not-turing-complete-why

>>17268121
>it is all on the blockchain
there are two possibilities here btw
1 you flatten the loops and decision tree of your app with your constant input vector
at which point you get something that can run in bitcoin script maybe and be deterministic, but it would literally be completely useless because the entire fucking 2 gigabyte script would result in what you get compile time so it's a waste of time to run it for anyone and it's not even capable of any interactions.
the second is where you use transactions as iterations in your script at which point your script is totally nondeterministic and completely useless.

>>17268153
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondeterministic_Turing_machine

>>17267364
>two different people
its you, both are you you fucking schizo
you typed on both posts and formatted your questions the exact same way, you blew your cover retard
atleast TRY to make it look different

>>17268183
dude do you even read the shit you post? how is this even relevant to our discussion?

>>17268214
thought experiment huh?
bitcoin is just a thought experiment to you?

do the needful jannies

>>17268308
This after 3 days of peace this degenerates are back.

>>17268217

kek

>>17266299
Calvin Ayre is a confirmed pedophile and he barely escaped doing a lifetime in prison for financial crimes.

>>17266222
>>17267398
so jealous of eth

>>17266172

this is mike bloomberg tier shill posting

JANNIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS CLEAN THIS FUCKING SHIT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>17267263
>technobabble
you forgot the part where the quantum trinary system meets the S tier 8-pack Macropus fuliginosus

>>17266172
BSV is a BCH fork, what is he trying to say lmao

>>17266801
Which one can deliver most transactions per second?
Which one has the fastest transaction times?
Which one has the lower fees?
Which one simply WORKS AND DOES ITS FUCKING JOB BETTER?

>XRP

kek