/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16961002
Just use TOR, fag.

https://twitter com/buyvpnservice/status/1219348913410453509?s=20

orchid partnered with pia which has been sold to an israeli firm

A couple of weeks ago, one of the industry’s most famous VPN providers, Private Internet Access (PIA) was acquired by Kape Technologies, an Israeli based firm as a result of its parent company, LTMI Holdings agreeing to a merger.

Reportedly, $95 million was paid as a part of the deal and this happens to be the third one on the part of Kape who has also acquired CyberGhost and ZenMate in the past.

Kape happens to have a not-so-bright past shedding doubt on the ability of PIA to protect the privacy of its customers under their control.

To further elaborate, Kape Technologies was originally found under the name of Crossrider in 2011 developing advertising apps until they changed their name in 2018. However, their software included malware as reported by companies such as Malwarebytes and Symantec

But the connections don’t end there. The very first CEO of Crossrider, Koby Menachemi, happened to be once a part of Unit 8200 which is an Israeli Intelligence Unit in their military and has also been dubbed as “Israel’s NSA “. Teddy Sagi, one of the company’s investors was mentioned in the Panama Papers which were leaked in 2016.

>>16961019
tor can be used together with dVPNs if used properly 2 layers imply better security

>>16961019
TOR is good concept and good network, however there are man in the middle attacks on TOR all the time. We can think at this point that TOR is FULLY compromised. Fag.

>>16961040
Lit

>>16961019
TOR is compromised. The flaw is that bandwidth is not monetized, and most of the nodes are run by 3 letter groups. TOR traffic can be reconstructed:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1808.09237

>We model and analyze passive adversaries that monitors Tor traffic crossing the border of a jurisdiction an adversary is controlling. We show that a single adversary is able to connect incoming and outgoing traffic of their border, tracking the traffic, and cooperating adversaries are able to reconstruct parts of the Tor network, revealing user-server relationships.

>>16961049
I don’t trust Orchid at all. I tried using the app and it is just a god awful user experience too.

Based on my research, Sentinel is the only dVPN doing it right. They won’t force users to pay with a worthless middle man token. You will be able to pay with any crypto that a node wants to accept. They are also allowing enterprise grade private nets where any third party project can implement their bandwidth network layer. Already seeing several crypto projects integrating the dVPN into their wallets.

>>16961214
honeslty i don't like silicon valley VCs pump and dumps at all, they are just there to dump on coinbase retail, just look at history of coins getting listed there its damn awfull, also orchid as ex execs from google and paypal i doubt these people care about privacy at all

Mysterium and lethan are as good as dead, so that leaves the main contenders orchid and sentinel.
I want exposure to cosmos projects so I bought sent, while orchid might get some adoption their token is pure garbage made to dump on noobs

>>16961214
Agreed. dVPNs should allow payments in BTC, ETH, USDT, etc for frictionless adoption. Nobody wants to be forced to buy some shitcoin to have to pay for bandwidth.

>>16961059
assuming the first node you touch is not a honeypot, it's the same level of security

>>16961329
SENT is the only dVPN project that is thinking about interoperability, thanks to cosmos ibc they will be able to integrate with ANY coin included btc or xmr.
they already partnered with pivx and now ARRR

Grabbing a few more thousand orchid just in case

>>16961367
dvpns are going to need to do what TownCrier does for Chainlink. Encrypt all data being ran through the nodes, and decrypted by the end user. Those running the dvpn nodes should have no way of knowing what data they are sending and who they are sending it to.

>>16961367
Since VPNs hide your activity from your ISP, connecting to a VPN before accessing Tor also prevents your ISP from detecting your use of Tor. Tor over VPN also gives you a measure of privacy from your VPN provider, since they are unable to see what you are doing within the Tor network.

these are the basic benefits, but there is more to it if the dVPN is multi-hop then you can achieve way better opsec obv everything must be properly encrypted

>>16961508
Exactly. TOR + dVPN should be the privacy standard.

MOON TIME

>>16961698
even TOR public resources advise to use a vpn if you are searching for best possible privacy and know what you are doing (aka not being a retard)

You SENTards are getting innovative I’ll give you that. Is it because no one would respond to your previous shill threads?

>>16962270
I've seen dvpn general multiple times in the past already

>>16962270
dVPN is the next evolution for the multi $billion VPN market. What is wrong with a dVPN general thread?

I have 2 million sent but don't have high hopes for the project

>>16962853
Why not? Sent is the only one that won’t force a shitcoin as payment. Sent is the only one that allows devs to build and integrate a dVPN into their products. dVPN space is still young, but I am confident it will be $50M market cap if not more eventually.

>>16963244
It literally does none of that. They don’t even pay you for hosting. They are literally making you pay to host their shitty openvpn copy. And you have no idea who’s behind the company. For all you know it could be glowies.

>>16963283
Um it’s still on testnet. Interoperability will be on mainnet. They have been paying and incentivizing node hosts for over 8 months now, so no clue what you are talking about. A true decentralized dapp needs to be anon that way there is no way to subpoena data or anybody to put a gag order on. It’s all open source like it should be.

>>16963283
There have also been several crypto projects that announced they are integrating the dVPN into their wallet or app. Just because you are not paying attention, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

is Sentinel dead?
I downloaded the client and this is all I see.
Is there literally just one node left?

>>16963496
if thats true and i doubt its probably cause they are launching the V2 version of the client soon

>>16963518
it's true
the last client is from May, looks abandoned

>>16963535
Check on ETH testnet, that’s where all the nodes are. I see over 90 nodes. New client with new UIUX is being tested in the private tester group right now.

>>16963579
ok I see. I thought it's just the payment method or something

>>16963496
>>16963535
Seeing a ton of nodes on ETH testnet. stats.Sentinel.co shows 97 nodes online right now.

>>16963611
The big shift to Tendermint will be with this new client. The UI/UX looks really nice and clean.

>>16963413
This shits as dead as a doorknob. All last year it was, “muh mainnet” “muh tokenmixer” “muh binance listing.” None of that shit happened. For fucks sake you don’t even have an IOS app, and you won’t ever have one either. Apple requires you to register with them. That cuts out a HUGE chunk of the market. The only reason they announced their, “mainnet coming soon” is because even their telegram was fucking dead. No ones buying your bags losers. You have around 30,000 daily volume from wash trading and that’s obvious as fuck since it didn’t change for months. Fuck outta here bitches

>>16963816
iOS was announced for release in February. Completely rewritten client with new UI is scheduled for release next couple weeks. Orchid only has an android app, no desktop no iOS and they are $288M mcap. SENT has better tech by far. Feel free to ignore the project if you want. Early speculation is not for everybody.

These must be desperate bag holders shilling because the paid shills quit when they couldn’t sell the SENT that was paid to them.

>>16963742
ok so I managed to send 10 testsent to one node, but when I click connect I get "Initial VPN payment is not done. Please click on pay button to make the initial payment"
the payment is confirmed on rinkeby

>>16963816
>>16963880
Then don’t invest. Nobody is making you do anything.

>>16963902
Try it again. If you have a bug, report it in the Telegram group. The new client is a big improvement, so keep an eye out for the update.

>>16961002
You forgot Privatix (PRIX) who has a working product. Problem is the ETH network doesn't scale, so it's unusable on a large scale.
If they successfully move to a new blockchain, Privatix has a good chance to come on top.
Just saying.

>>16963985
I tried to pay again and the address was different? wtf
well it's working now.
one problem is that it automatically redirects all global connections, an option for a local socks server would be better if I want it only for eg. torrent

ok so my review would be: it's on par with free vpns in its current state. Maybe version 2 is going to be better. Definitely not something I would pay for today

>>16964164
If you have Android, try their Android app. Very easy and streamlined. The current desktop client is a bit outdated with the new completely revised update coming soon. Check out the screenshots on Twitter. The swap to Tendermint will allow interoperable payments, and node management.

>>16963992
I looked into Privatix, but they don’t seem to be anything special. What makes them stand out over the competition?

>>16964197
Same here. Didn't see anything special with Privatix. These dVPNs should all have plans on accepting BTC and other tokens to really make it easy for their end-users.

>>16964360
I read through their latest updates and it seems like they reached a stopping point with ETH. Just like all the other dVPNs built on ETH, they are finding out it can’t scale and need to look for another platform to build on. Sentinel realized this a long time ago and already has Tendermint testnets up and running. Sentinel seems to be the only dVPN project doing it right from the start.

>>16961049
DELETE THIS

>>16961214
So what use does the SENT token have?

>>16964596
A couple key features that makes all the difference:
• Built on Tendermint that can scale unlike ETH
• Tendermint allows token interoperability so end users can pay with BTC, ETH, XMR, pretty much any token that a node wants to accept
• A true anon DAO that can not be subpoenaed or ordered to comply with authoritiarian regulations, backsides or gag orders
• Private nets and bandwidth layer that allows third party developers to build on, use and integrate into their own applications
• dVPN is only the first application of their decentralized privacy suite. dChat is being tested and other decentralized applications will be released like a decentralized token mixer.
• The SENT token is used to validate and secure the network, so those that stake SENT on mainnet will take a % of all dApp transactions conducted on the network
• TOR exit nodes from the dVPN

>>16964761
Good summary. SENT is the only one that won't force you to buy their token to pay for dVPN. Allowing developers to use it in their own apps is brilliant. Orchid has the big money and VCs behind them, but they don't even come close to the infrastructure Sentinel has built. True cypherpunks bringing crypto back to its roots.

>>16964761
>>16964841
SENT is the clear dVPN leader. $100M market cap by the end of 2020.

>>16964596
A better question is what does ANY other dVPN project have that is better then SENT?

>>16965531
Brave has 12 million users.

>>16965559
I was just about to post about brave. They are also looking at dVPN's

Not sure if they are going to integrate with another service or if they are going to launch their own network with BAT rewards for running a node.

>>16965559
Brave requires KYC to withdraw rewards or depositing funds over $600. No thanks.

>>16965654
So anybody hosting a VPN node on Brave would have to go through KYC to get paid? Shit is so backwards. That is why I believe the only solution is a truly anon DAO. Time to bring back the cypherpunk ideals of crypto and anonymity.

>>16965683
Yup. Either you figure out how to be a completely anon DAO or you get regulated. If they cave to KYC, they will also cave to other regulations.

>>16965716
They use anonize2 protocol with uphold who is their KYC provider. All uphold has is your wallet balance, and your KYC details. They dont have your browser history or node information. You are still anonymous.

>>16965589
Lol Brave is not a dVPN, they will use Sentinel infrastructure. Their shitcoin devs are not half as skilled as the Sentinel team, nor do they have top networking experts.

>>16965683
hosting a node means any anon can use my internet and it appears (to my isp) as my traffic?
yah, what could possibly go wrong

>>16966212
Who was reading comprehension?

Also I cant even find anything about the sentinel team. I can find loads of information about Brave team members who created javascript or worked on Tor.

>>16966382
Why would you want devs of privacy related products to be public? Tor was made by the government btw. Having access to public devs could compromise whole network

>>16966240
Not necessarily, it could be relayed through other nodes or user could even use tor as exit with you as middle man

>>16966240
That's why there are 2 types of nodes in sentinel:
-routing nodes which relay only encrypted traffic aimed at consumers
-exit nodes which come in contact with unencrypted traffic which are aimed at knowledgeable individuals that want to take higher risk for a higher reward, data centers and people that already run Tor exit nodes
There is also a third type that is a bit different, it will allow you to funnel your exit traffic directly into Tor (enforced by the protocol) you could run a Tor node at the same time making Anon set higher.

All these nodes will be part of the probabilistic multi hop relay net of sentinel which will allow to jump through as many nodes as you want thus ensuring that the more you are willing to pay the more nodes you pass through and the more safe you are.
Relay net will also have packet mixing and obfuscation

>>16961002
Its alt season cunt bags.

>>16966592
You have to be a warren buffet pussy. Muhh boomer memes. Knowing idenity keeps people from loosing their money Lol??

>>16966735
Madoff is the dev, every jewish banker you know devs on sentinel.

>>16961261
Sent Is like xmr. No vc scamming. Will dump on onions VC like I did with my xmr bags.

>>16961002
We are, the true SENTinels.

I hold. You hodl. We all hodl.

>>16966735
Theres early signs of it yup

>>16964574
always end up the same with projects related to jews, just look at bancor or pumapay or any other israel tied scam

https://twitter com/stakedotfish/status/1219842646065045504?s=20

stakefish which is the largest validator on cosmos will probably be also validating and supporting sent main-net

"The process of delegating tokens to validators and unbonding from them is made extremely user friendly with the new SENT Tendermint based wallet. This stand-alone wallet will soon be released on the Turing-2 testnet, followed by the new dVPN client

Closer to mainnet everyday.

stats.sentinel.co - live stats page
nodes.sentinel.co - community hosted nodes
docs.sentinel.co - documentation on participating in the tendermint testnet/operating a dVPN node"

sentinel just tweeted this, UI for staking looks nice

>>16962853
I only have 65K sent. holding for a while.

>>16964571
This!

>>16965286
>$100M market cap by the end of 2020
What would that be in price?

>>16967641
I like the new UI for the wallet a lot, when does it come out ?

>>16968005
$100M mcap would be about $.0525/SENT

>>16969081
Working product, mainnet near, thousand of daily users, the best dVPN tech out there - SENT is severely undervalued. Should be a top 50 project.

>>16969394
SENT will get there in due time. Right now, it is early speculators betting on and accumulating for staking once mainnet is released. The new desktop client will be a big change and will really showcase just how far along Sentinel really is. Low risk, high reward.

>>16970080
Stop being a faggot pajeet. The jig is up.

>>16970094
oh no some retard on 4chan called me a pajeet... how original and edgy. Come back when you have something of value to say cringelord.

>>16970094
Just wait a couple of days and the new client with completely new code will be released

>>16970143
They've been saying that for quite some time

>>16970094
kek like a purebred biztard, scream pajeet over and over. Soooo clever. Go back to Facebook.

>>16970171
It is a major re-coded release. These things take time. I know you are impatient, but this big of a transition doesn't happen overnight.

>>16970171
The schnorr update on Bitcoin was being talked about for years yet today it was officially proposed, good things take time anon

>>16970835
It’s as if he doesn’t understand how development works. It took Orchid two years and $45M to just create an Android app. Sent was just a $2M ico, and they had a working product from day 1.

>>16970896
Orchid is at what, $250M mcap right now? SENT is at $1.6M macp with far superior tech, building on a chain that will actually scale and won't force a shitcoin as payment. I know which one I am betting on.

>>16964571
Add Lethean to the list of failed dVPN projects that couldn’t scale. Sentinel is the only one so far that has had the long term vision.

>>16971231
on top of that orchid UX is unusable cause you have to own both their shitcoin and eth and know how to use metamask which normies will never learn

how much SENT for a lambo in 2021?

>>16971883
In real estate, you would look at comps of similar properties as a basis for valuations. Orchid has a market cap of $250 million. Sent is under $2m. If you believe SENT will eventually be at a similar valuation, it would go about 125x to do so. $2k-$5k investment should turn into a very nice profit if you think long-term.

>>16971832
It really is a bizarre user experience. How many people that want a VPN will go buy ETH, will go buy OXT (from a KYC exchange no less), and then go through the pain in the ass app? What happens to the project when they find out ETH doesn't scale?

>>16972506
/thread

>>16972097
>>16972506

i think orchid investors will realize that is stupid to not own a bit of the competition too, so they will rebalance some of their OXT into SENT and this is without even analyzing tech difference and scalability and the fact that sentinel has more planned products

>>16972618
Sentinel seems to have the better tech and DAO foundation, but Orchid has the big VC firms. Now the VC firms are dumping on retail. Sentinel gives me early XMR vibes.

>>16972816
orchid will give nice returns but only to presale investors who probably payed 5% of the price they are selling at

>>16973269
Anybody know Orchid presale prices? I remember reading $.03 or something like that.

>>16973655
$4.9M USD raised in 2017 with $0.03 USD for each orchid token , VCs are already dumping

https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x4575f41308EC1483f3d399aa9a2826d74Da13Deb

Looks like 90% of OXT is hodled by just 10 addresses

>>16973973
kekek that scam distribution

>>16974013
its the usual for coinbase pnds

>>16972097
You are also making the assumption that there wont be any other competition. If brave doesnt partner with a dVPN provider and uses their own proprietary software that can be easily configured and paid for in the browser its game over.

>>16974651
Why would anybody trust Brave? Who wants to run a node and do full KYC to get paid? Who would trust a decentralized VPN network where every exit node is de-anonymized with their full KYC details?

>>16975089
Brave is not a DAO. They will be forced to comply with local regulations, and court orders. You already have to KYC just to withdraw $1 in rewards. Does it make sense to use Brave if your goal is privacy and remaining anonymous?

I made a little profit trading Orchid when they launched trading on Coinbase, but haven’t heard of Sentinel. I always wondered why there wasn’t a dVPN that just accept BTC as payment without another token in the middle. Orchid was too complex to set up for the everyday user.

>>16975089
You are talking about dVPN's being a Multi billion dollar market, but you are missing the entire point. Brave is addressing the general public VPN users who are trying to watch netflix from Croatia or the boomer in the U.S. that heard he could find cheaper plane tickets.

The ideal dVPN you are trying to sell is an extremely niche service. Its like trying to compare Airbus with Beechcraft when talking about commercial aviation. The dVPN you are proposing only addresses a minuscule segment of the web user market. The same goes for monero. Follow the money, not the hobby.

>>16961428
ayyy we're in the same group Anon
Ily ARRR

>>16975767
Tell that to China, the Middle East, etc. There are billions of users behind authoritiarian firewalls and under strict censorship. Saying it’s all about Netflix and plane tickets is externally narrow minded.

>>16975838
I have been to china and have friends there. The ones that have left on tourist visas use the same VPN's that we do in the states. They would be in 50x the trouble if they were caught using a dVPN. Its easier to play the simp card than explaining why you have top tier privacy/security tools

>>16975883
Using the same centralized VPNs that have been show to log and sell all your data? The same ones that have consistently given up data to governments?

>>16975883
China owns half of all VPN services on the market

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3335480/china-owns-half-of-all-vpn-services.html

>>16976106
This is why decentralized VPNs are needed. Centralized VPNs only give you the illusion of privacy.

>>16976419
Exactly. Centralized VPNs will slowly be replaced by open source dVPNs. Even better if they operate a stateless DAOs.

>>16976514
Yeap it's the future

Sentinel needs a better website

>>16978087
They posted on Twitter a new website is being released soon.

>>16976514
won't dvpn's just integrate seamlessly with other privacy centric product?. The end user won't even know the difference.

>>16961002
Where do I buy this coin?? Pleease dont say skycoin or something gay like that though

>>16978686
you can find SENT on hitbtc or idex

>>16978667
any coin can integrate with sentinel even existing VPN service provider can integrate with sentinel thus getting easy crypto payment processing and allowing users to benefit from the coming multi hop relay net

>>16978490
Yeah I read this also on their TG

>>16978667
Correct. If dVPNs do it correctly, the end user experience should be very similar. For example, the Sentinel dVPN Lite app on Android is fully blockchain based, however the user experience is exactly the same as a traditional VPN app.

>>16973973
Wtf 90% controlled by 10 addresses. Orchid VCs getting a huge payout from this one.

>>16980635
but but but Orchid is decentralized right??? kek

>>16980635
>>16981258
For all it matters orchid could have been a selfie filters app, they only needed a nice sounding narrative to dump on retail, they don't care about privacy as they have shown by partnering with pia

>>16981615
Lol good way to put it

>>16981615
orchid just proves that real wolrd VC's are interested in this tech and that big names like PIA are also recognizing how crypto can make it better. It is only a matter of time when dvpns like sent will moon and it being under 2 market cap makes it very sexy investment, could easily do 10x in less than a year

>>16982127
There is a growing general distrust of centralized VPNs. Even the Dept of Homeland security sent out a warning to corporations that these VPNs are spying and stealing corporate data. Bitcoin decentralized monetary value, Sentinel will decentralize bandwidth and communication layers.

>>16961143
the funny part is that the way orchid is structured it's actually less anonymous than a normal vpn, even less than tor at that.

>>16961143
That's why you get an openwrt configures router that only routes through a vpn and then use tor on your pc underneath that.

>>16982257
legacy VPNs will want to get blockchain tech as a part of what their offer just to get free advertizing and ride the new tech trend.

imagine a normie what would choose between a "open source decentralized blockchain vpn"
and a normal vpn

on top of that with sentinel model anybody can host a node so legacy vpn will be undercutted by open market competion, consumer will get cheaper prices, so in this regard dvpns win on bot better security and cheaper prices

>>16982663
Just like AirBnB, but for bandwidth. This trend has been very prevalent across all sectors. Another note, residential IP addresses are much more useful and harder to block compared to date center IP ranges. There are some interesting usecases with private nets and large pools of residential IPs.

>>16961002
how the fuck is this shitty thread still alive

>>16983207
it's a good thread with some good discussions. What is the problem?

>>16983207
Not enough thot pics and talking like an edgy 5th grader for you? There are plenty of shit threads if that is what you are looking for.

>>16983776
haha there are more then enough daily SkyCoin threads for that

>>16975883
All VPNs are required by law to register with Chinese authorities. I would say pretty much any VPN that is not censored behind The Great Firewall is being monitored, logged, and can not be trusted. There is a huge market for a decentralized dVPN with an anon team that can not be influenced by local regulations.

>>16985031
Completely right. Russia did something similar where it demanded VPNs to link their servers to the state censorship agency. No centralized VPN can be trusted at this point.

>>16985150
Sentinel biggest community is Iranian people using the dvpn to circumvent regime censorship

>>16985651
Its surprising really, with sent you can see that people who actually need vpn's are the ones who use it

>>16985760
Well I think it's normal as all centralized VPNs don't work there, so they are forced to use safer alternatives.

>>16961002
I think SENT dominates on most the category you listed

>>16986732
orchid has better funding and more influential backers but thats about it

>>16987179
Influential backers come with string attached and ulterior motives

>>16987365
thats for sure , the PIA partnership clearly shows that , also orchid system not everybody can set up nodes, its a very strange system they have service providers

Hey SENTbros I just discovered you today, and I'm really liking this dVPN, do I invest into SENT right now? I want to get in on earlly because it's so damn cheap!

>>16988278
It's the cheapest it's ever been, it's been in this range for 6 months (if you take out the pump) I would set some low orders and buy some on market, so I don't miss out and if it dumps more I get filled

>>16988611
How much money should I drop on it for now?

>>16988620
Depends how much risk you are willing to take, anything lower then 10% of your portfolio seems reasonable.
It also depends on your portfolio size, cause sent has a very low float so it's difficult to get lots of tokens on market

>>16988654
all I have is 106BAT that I earned, in my exodus wallet.

>>16988278
>>16988611
False flag faggot discord tranny pajeets

>>16988683
What are you talking about anon

>>16988661
100 bat is like 2$ lol

>>16988702
>2$

>>16988702

>>16988683
soooo edgy. is that the best you got?

>>16988728
Well sorry I thought bat was cheaper, anyway no point in wasting money on fees to trade on idex, just hold bat and when it gets more valuable diversify

>>16988774
who much would the fees be?

>>16988854
Check out idex faq, anyway you would need some eth to even deposit the funds and idk if you can pay with bat tokens directly without having eth gas

>>16988982
>mfe I just dropped 1k$ into SENT and it explodes in the next year or two

>>16961059
>Wearing two condoms lowers your risk of pregnancy

>>16961002
Can you post on 4chan thru a SENT dVPN? Or do you need to buy a pass?

>>16989021
Combining TOR and dVPN is good practice. TOR is considered compromised:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1808.09237

>We model and analyze passive adversaries that monitors Tor traffic crossing the border of a jurisdiction an adversary is controlling. We show that a single adversary is able to connect incoming and outgoing traffic of their border, tracking the traffic, and cooperating adversaries are able to reconstruct parts of the Tor network, revealing user-server relationships.

>>16989381
Only glowies will promote TOR as compleatly safe and secure. Everybody knows it has been compromised for years.

>>16989006
OooOOooOooo An entire $1,000! Faggot!

>>16989619
Sent can easily go to $100m mcap. Orchid is at over $250m and they only have a shitty android app. $1k turned to $50k sounds pretty good to me.

>>16989619
Different strategies and risk tolerances for different traders. What is the problem?

>>16989716
>>16989642
>>16989619
>>16989597
>>16989381
>>16989266
>>16989021
Can you post on 4chan thru SENT dVPN?

>>16990009
some nodes work others don't, you have to switch and try, or just buy a 4chan pass, anyway you can use the dvpn for free till its testnet so you can try easily

>>16990024
wouldn't buying a 4chan pass make me not anonymous?

>>16990049
you can buy with btc and eth and use mixers before sending

wasabi for coinjoin and you are set

>>16990076
There is a mixer on eth ?

>>16990749
Sentinel had a eth mixer for a while, but it was centralized. They are now building a decentralized version, but not sure when it will come out.

>swixer.sentinel.co

>>16990749
yeah its called tornadocash, but wasabiwallet has more liquidity/anonymity set

So when does the new client come out? This week?

>>16991711
Should be soon. They have been teasing the new UI/UX on Twitter and it is being tested in a private group.

>>16991986
Is it possible to configure an openwrt router to go exclusively thru SENT?
Also, will it be fast? Or slow like TOR?

>>16992049
sentinel has partnered with spiderVPN do create a router solution fit for dVPNs

https://medium.com/sentinel/sentinel-dvpn-spidervpn-router-partnership-and-july-node-incentivization-update-7262239be84a

https://spidervpn.org/roadmap/

>>16990915
Interblockchain mixer ?
>>16991323
Nice

>>16992865
A fully decentralized interoperable mixer would be a game changer. If the Sentinel team wasn't anon, they would never be able to launch such a product.

This is pretty hilarious. Orchid's white paper is better than bitcoin's! If you can't see that this tech will change the world in a few years, best of wishes to your sad life.

>>16961002
do any of these dVPN coins use wireguard? Much faster than openVPN. I would use it

>>16993739
Sentinel’s new client will be adding wireguard support.

So buy sent or orchid or bat?

>>16992430
DELETE THIS

>>16994069
Sent is $2M mcap, Orchid is $250m+ mcap. Which risk/reward ratio do you prefer?

>>16994160
:) Sent it is

>>16994194
My biggest returns have always come from low mcap setups like this. Easy 2-3x short term, but I'm more focused on the potential 25x-50x long term gains here.

I still can't decide if sentinel is a scam. There's no proper whitepaper, team is anonymous, and the app is kinda basic, and there's no proof that it's secure.

>>16995212
if it was a scam it would have exited after ICO. It intentionally raised only 2 million usd 2 years ago, still developing with only 20% of supply in their own hands, if sentinel is scam then so is every other crypto coin

Sent has pretty sick new client upcoming, maybe that's why its pumping

>>16995212
Just use an IP checker, while using it to see if it works

>>16995212
Same that's why I just host nodes and collect the incentivization payouts rather than buying in. I figure even if it is a scam I at least have helped several hundred thousand people circumvent firewalls, watch porn, and torrent movies so I'd at least get some good karma for my good deeds

>>16997114
https://stats.sentinel.co/

thank for your service anon users are almost at ATH
data consumption too

>>16997771
Amazing stats, I've never seen a dapp with these kind of user numbers

>>16995212
Team being anon is very important to the success of the project. They are development and result focused, not focused on hype and marketing a product that isn’t done. More crypto projects should be like Sentinel.

30 posts. Let me guess. Some faggot is shilling sent again. Total shit scam.

>>16962270
They are such retarded cunts tho. Nice forced shill thread. Pathetic. My personal goal in life is to destroy sent because you fucks are so annoying. Go. The. Fuck. Away.

>>16998470
Oh no! People are talking about projects they believe in... how dare they! You sounds like you have absolutely no life if get triggered this hard by a thread on 4chan.

>>16998470
Lol you sound like a basement dwelling incel. Just filter the thread if it effects you so much. Or continue wasting your time fighting a low cap crypto project for no reason. I’m sure that is a productive use of your time.

>>16998470
you think you can destroy a project by fudding it on 4chan ?
what a faggot, nice narcissism you got there, sort out your omnipotence complex.

>>16961002
my only problem with SENT is that there isn't a minimum amount of SENT required to run a node so what is the incentive to hold SENT?

>>16998878
from another reply in this thread:

>The SENT token is used to validate and secure the network, so those that stake SENT on mainnet will take a % of all dApp transactions conducted on the network

>>16998968
staking is done through the validators? So 1 validator with a large stake will earn a high % of the fees collected?

>>16998878
To streamline adoption, there should never be a barrier to entry like having to hold a min number of SENT. They need as many nodes as possible on the network and to make it as easy as possible to set up a node. SENT will be used for staking and validators.

Wait.. does sentinel have a fully working product now?

Why should I use sent over mullvad which offers triple hopping capability with end to end encryption making it almost impossible for correlation attacks and fends off MITM attacks?

How do I know.sent is not just another honeypot?

>>16999065
Sentinel had a working product from day 1. It is still on testnet however as they are transitioning from ETH to Tendermint.

Centralized VPN providers have been proven time and time again to log and sell data, and have given up user records once subpoenaed by law enforcement. Trust them at your own risk.

Sentinel is all open-source, so you can audit the code yourself if you would like.

>>16999399
Not mullvad
Multihopping prevents them from correlating traffic of users

Why is dVPN bettter than multihoping from a privacy and security standpoint? sure it is open source but are dvpns good against correlation attacks? lookingfor technical answers here,

>>16999478
I know Sentinel will be releasing WireGuard and hops in their new client. Packet standardization should be included at some point as well. You can also use TOR exit nodes.

Centralized VPN providers are forced to comply with local regulations. China for example, requires all VPN providers to register with Chinese authorities. Russia, require VPNs to link their servers to the state censorship agency. Sentinel being an anon DAO is impossible to subpoena or force local regulations or place a gag order on.

>>16999478
Sentinel is working on its own multi hopping protocol too and it will have a packet obfuscation/standardization protocol tool.
So at worst you will have the same security as mullvad.
Sentinel multi hop protocol will allow you to choose ANY amounts of nodes to hop through, so very paranoic users will be able to be as safe as their wallet can afford, keeping also in mind that cause sentinel allows open market competition price will be cheaper.

Can I host a node and earn SENT?

>>16999951
No. It’s a worthless scam coin artificially attached to a copy/pasted open source(free) VPN. It’s just a pajeet money grab

>>16998470
Fuck off you shiller trash. This project is fake as hell

>>16999767
>>16999534
Sounds amazing desu
When's the eta on this? Q4 2020?

>>16999951
yeah there is currently an incentivization program going on its being prolonged till main net launch.

https://medium.com/sentinel/sentinel-dvn-nodes-incentivized-for-bandwidth-provided-node-incentivization-program-update-of-68e6d02a66f4

>>17000068
after main net, so i think second half of the year

>>17000068
Still samefagging. They do this every month or so. This project is a dead scam.

>>17000051
Why would they not use open source? Literally every VPN uses the same open source tech stacks (OpenVPN, WireGuard, etc). What is innovative is integrating interoperable and decentralized nodes/servers to these open source stacks.

>>17000143
Seems like the network usage is near ATHs right now. Working product, active development, and large network usage doesn’t seem like a scam to me.

>stats.sentinel.co

>>17000143
Im a legit curious dude who likes security and anonymity.I was turned off by thw tokenomics of this coin so I wrote it off thinking it was a scam. I even though tomyself why is this fucking scam thread still up after all these days? So I took the bullet and asked some Qs. Im still not fully sold on the tokenomics but will look into it again.
Can you share why you think this is a scam? Listen, Im just open minded and have no commitments.

>>17000210
you won't find a project with better tokeeconomics then sentinel.
it did a 1.89m$ raise

Total: 2 billion tokens.
Circulating supply : 1.5 billion
75% ico, 20% team, 5% airdrops/bounties

there is some whales heavily accumulating yesterday someone market bought 7.5m sent tokens.
trade float is very low, very few sellers.
most big holders are in for long term and haven't moved tokens in months

some of us are not done accumulating let this thread die.

With Sentinel I really do see a great setup here long term.

They are launching a fully featured iOS app in February

It is the first dVPN of its kind making it a market leader

It will facilitate and allow payments from all types of crypto through its VPN service

It is completely anonymous meaning no data is logged compared to other VPN services NordVPN, IPVanish, ExpresVPN

Brand new GUI and website redesign is almost done and in the works

Tendermint based wallet using the Cosmos Ecosystem

And literally hardware integration with
SpiderVPN Router

Real working product and under $2m marketcap. There’s not much to lose here folks.

>>17000434
Its still in testnet though...
Or does.thatnot matter?

>>17000480
This is where the speculation part comes in. It is on testnet, but once main net is launched, the token will have an inartistically higher value since you will be able to stake it and earn profit with it. My understanding is that the fees collected on the network will be in the token used - so if someone uses BTC to pay for bandwidth, you will get BTC % as a reward. I believe this is why we are seeing wallets accumulating large amounts now at low prices. Or you can wait until mainnet release, but you may be buying it at 4x the price by then.

>>17000599
intrinsically* higher value. Damn mobile autocorrect

>>17000480
it has a working product and more daily users then 99% crypto projects, value that how you want

^

It has definitely been in testnet for a while now, and I believe that is best since it shows how the team is not rushing into a mainnet full of bugs but rather to create a simple and attractive UI and interface that will function properly. Although if you follow them here on Telegram you can check how they are just about ready to launch their Mainnet platform. It also makes for good discussion as you are also in contact with the devs and support team.

t.me/sentinel_co

one more q....
If you run a node what is.the likelihood of. getting copy right notices and audit requests by authorities?

I know that tor exit.nodes get shit tons of these notices.., also how many malicious nodes are there on the network RIGHT NOW?

I would definitely discuss that with the team here. But I’m sure that there is absolutely no issues.

Telegram Link: t.me/sentinel_co

>>17000686
There will be two kinds of nodes - router nodes that just pass encrypted traffic, and exit nodes. The exit nodes will probably get a notice or two, but community node hosts have had no trouble so far using the standard TOR letter as a response:

>https://2019.www.torproject.org/eff/tor-dmca-response.html

>>17000753
so sent uses two relay system or 3way relaylike Tor?

>>17000773
The relay system details should be clarified with the new client release. It would be a good idea to implement private unlisted bridge nodes like TOR to help privacy and anonymity. Sentinel is already implementing private dVPN networks, so that should be fairly easy to do.

>>17000920
Thanks I am very bullish on sent now
Are there any collaboration or assistance from the whonix crowd that you are aware of?

>>17001024
Of course. Thank you for your valid questions and discussion. I would ask the dev team about Whonix, but I recently read that the PirateOS distribution will include SENT dVPN by default. I haven't heard of PirateOS before, so I need to learn more about it.

Someone is market buying huge amounts of SENT from HitBTC

>>16961002
token not needed. sorry.

>>17001603
how can you have a decentralized VPN and DAO without blockchain and validators? Every dVPN other then SENT forces you to use their token as payment. SENT will have their token to validate and secure the network, and you can pay with BTC or other main tokens.

>>17001603
yeah a dVPN shouldn't force a token upon end users like orchid and mysterium do thats why sentinel will allow anybody to pay with ANY crypto included xmr btc once cosmos interchain communication protocol is launched

>>17001649
I think SENT is the only dVPN on the market that won't force you to use their native token for payment. It shows the dev's goal is to really build a foundation and network that lasts.

>>17001914
its also the smartest choice as you get more potential users.
also any crypto community can decide to host sent dvpn nodes to give an additional usecase to their coin accepting it as payment

>>17001592
he keeps buying he cleared till 15 SATs now there are no tokens left for sale at that level

>>17002917
He owns more then 3% of the supply and has been buying more

>>17003210
Jezuz, he will pamp the shit out of it

>>17002917
>>17003210
>>17003284
wow I just checked the rich list. This wallet has been buying for over a year and a half without a single transfer out. Has 3.4% of the network right now. Could be some big player or potential partner.

>>17003611
I think this is the same person that just market bought 10m SENT on HitBTC

Ooooooooooooooooooooooo! There was once was a sailor who ______

>>17003611
>70k USD worth of SENT

hmm yea talk about going all in

>>17000686
High but just copy the Tor email template and send it in reply and you'll be fine
t. Has done this dozens of times

>>17004969
Imagine having that wallet and SENT goes 15x on mainnet release and then on top of that you get to start passively collecting large %s off all network transactions.

>>17005752
Do u need a certain amount to stake?

>>17006700
No

>>17005752
He can probably live off the staking

>>17007991
Do you know how much the staking reward might be ?

>>16961214
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS AND THIS

Orchid is full scam. Waste of air. No where near as technologically advanced as Sentinel. Ask their tech team about Sentinel’s proprietary relay network and watch them shit themselves.

Staking incentives seem good but is there enough traffic on this project to hit this number if I run a node?

Forgot my pic

>>17008578
rewards are based on fees so lets say 10% of whatever valuation you can think of.

if its 10% and your staking position is worth $1 million than you earn 100k USD per year.

If SENT goes 10X that number 1 hodler is going to earn 70k USD per year and sit on 700k USD in liquid net worth.

>>17009179
anyone who values privacy should be using a VPN. EVERYONE SHOULD BE USING A VPN.

its not a matter of if its a matter of when.

>>17009179
The testnet already has more traffic and users then 99% of all crypto projects. You can check out the network stats yourself:

> stats.sentinel.co

Currently 100 nodes, couple thousand sessions a day, and averaging close to 1TB of data every day.

I can literally smell the fucking pajeets

>>17009938
you are so original regurgitating the same edgy comment over and over. Have you ever had an original thought or do you just copy all the other cringy 5th graders on here? Maybe Redddit is better suited for you.

>>17010055
Pretty good English skills there, Hardeep.

>>17009389
at worst just wait for main net to launch a node that way everything will be fully directly incentivized

Guy's how long till SENT reaches 1$

>>17011189
Ath by the end of the year

>>17011189
Not long.

>>17011380
>>17012060
I'm dumping 1k$ into this thing then

>>17012074
scratch that 2k$

>>17011189

>>17010117
Feel free to refute anything I have posted. I believe you can do better and contribute something valid instead of saying the same low-iq comment over and over.

is there going to be a tokenswap or something on mainnet?

>>17013724
yeah token swap on main net, which should happen first half of the year at worse q3

>>17012140
I got a similar bag too

>>17014301
We're going to make it anon, after all this I'm going to half of this money into silver.

>>17014464
I wanna buy farmland or real estate, I want assets that generate income