/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16892826
Me

>>16892826

Do yourself a favour and look at NASDAQ 1 year chart. Everyone buys. And they are smart doing so too.

>>16892842
GAS KIKES RACE WAR NOW

Apple will be 10k before the decade ends. Zoomers will unironically kill themselves.

>>16892849
>Do yourself a favour and look at NASDAQ 1 year chart. Everyone buys. And they are smart doing so too.

>>16892860
Reminds me niggers saying Bitcoin will go to 100K in 2017

Imagine missing out on the Amazing gains of apple and tesla. All he has left is posting racist images and soijacks

>>16892826
>tfw you realized there are people who put 100% of their wealth into AAPL and AMZN, producing returns greater than even the Medallion Fund
WHY THE FUCK DID I BUY INDEX FUNDS!?!?!

>>16892890
I won't buy your bags, find a nigger to do it.

stay mad faggot

>>16892826
Short at 600

Ez

>>16892826
Central banks
/thread

>>16892954

Not only. Investors can't believe it themselves really, it keeps climbing and climbing, all of it. Whilst a crash has been predicted for more than 7 years now... it never happened. It keeps climbing. And probably will.

>>16892954
This, fuck stocks.

Id take apples steady 0.5-1% per day over cryptos +5% -20%

>>16892826
how easy and quick is it to sell your positions in stocks?

>>16892826
Wish it was me to be quite honest. Imagine investing when the tech bubble popped back in the early 2000's. Holy fuck that rebound.

>>16892826
Lol idgi either. Really it's just that there is nothing else to do with your money when interest rates are this low, you are scared of crypto and too lazy to invest in real estate

>>16892876
it did hit 1/5th that, and from what I saw most people were predicting a crash after 20k

>>16893146
That’s called buying crypto in 2019

>>16892826

Probably Apple

>>16893230
>most people were predicting a crash after 20k
Were you in the crypto space Dec 2017? It was absolute mania, most people were calling insane price targets of 100k, 1mil, etc. There were very few people who actually shorted the top.

>>16893235
I see why you're making that argument, I do, but I don't know that it's accurate.

Crypto in 2019 was more likely a stabilization on the market. I could see some growth there, but I doubt it'll rebound on the same scale that tech stocks did in the mid 2000s.

>>16893291
just like they are calling for 600$ aapl shares

>>16892826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc6f_2nPSX8

>>16893402
kys boomer

>>16892826
It's every normie's first stock buy.

>>16892826
The federal reserve. Duh.

$1.4 trillion market cap? What the actual fuck. Amazon has almost $1 trillion, Microsoft has $1.2 trillion, google has $1 trillion, Facebook $600 billion. Jesus fucking christ.

>>16894001
This is where all the inflation is going to

>>16892902
Index funds aren't for creating wealth retard.

>>16894353
how to create wealth?

>>16893146
i invested in 07/08 and got burned hard and haven't bought back in since. crypto is completely cope but at the same time i'm not buying no boomer bags at ATH

>>16894388
Lurk more or sell drugs

>>16892985
yes beacuse gov figured out it cann just keep printing

>>16892826
Apple is buying apple. Stock buybacks, brainlets

everything is pumping. Intrest rates are at a historical low. People want to put there money somewhere else. Stocks. The crash will be enormous.

>>16894599

It isn't only that.... People with money make 20% ROI and more with just stocks... it is amazing truly... it keeps and keeps going up, while everyone keeps expecting a crash. Apparently it will keep going up. Insanity. Roll with it.

>>16892826
American Pensions.

Why do you measure your wealth in worthless fiat?

The true measure of wealth is equities. How many shares can you afford of QQQ?

The TRUE measure of wealth is how many Q’s a man has. Anything else is just cope.

>>16892826
>mfw long in the stocket market

Pretty much as comfy as you can get. I can retire in 10-15 years.

>>16892826
>mfw long sp500

Pretty much as comfy as you can get. I can retire in 10-15 years.

>>16892826
Compare Samsung market cap to Apple, that's the future for Apple.

>>16894877
>he thinks this is sustainable
lol

>>16894636

Until it won't for 7 years. Think about that Anon. That is a long time. A long time where stock holders made a hell of a lot more money that we did.

>>16892826
daily reminder that there is NO inflation which is why interest rates need to be zero/negative and the central banks need to keep printing money

>>16894401
Based retard

Compared to peers it’s not that over valued. MSFT is the one that’s fucking insane. FB is fairly valued but if they wanted they could turn 80 billion in profits easy. The only reason they don’t is the government would trust bust them.

>>16895960
By what metric and what method? Monetizing advertising is all FB has, and that ain’t shit

>>16892849
>And they are smart doing so too
why? it's in a bubble

>>16892954
>Central banks
why do they buy it?

Apple.

>>16893372
>just like they are calling for 600$ aapl shares
who is calling for that?
everyone scream about regession

>>16893019
>steady 1% a day
>steady 365% a year
retards buying it, biggest sell signal

>>16896018

>company that actaully makes products and has been highly profitble for decades and is a staple of american culture

vs

>internet meme coins

stay mad zoomers

>>16893751
>The federal reserve
why should it buy this?
>>16894233
into stocs? not into bonds?
>>16894636
>Intrest rates are at a historical low
will this situation b left in this way or could it invert?
and if yes then how?

>>16894771
>American Pensions.
why do they buy this instead of gold?
>>16894827
>The true measure of wealth is equities. How many shares can you afford of QQQ?
if a recession your index fund will g down then it's not a good way to measure wealth

>>16892826
I keep expecting it to dump hard.

>>16896091
>why do they buy this instead of gold?
Because gold doesn't generate profits.

>>16895214
>>he thinks this is sustainable
why shouldn't it be sustainable? FED prints money---- money goes into bonds and stocs and everyone is happy

>>16895410
>daily reminder that there is NO inflation
well I see no inflation in price of goods

>>16895983
I like to look at gross profits. Net income and Ebitda can be manipulated pretty big by these companies.

>>16893004
>NOOOOOOOO!!! YOU CAN'T RIDE UP BIGGEST BULL MARKET IN EQUITY HISTORY!!!! NOOOOO!!! OCCUPY WALL STREET!!!! NOOOOO!!!!


Imagine being this retarded and missing out on easy gains?

>>16893372
>Not knowing that all big tech companies are shifting into a growth stock modus operandi to please shareholders.

Apple will go to $600 with ease in the next 2-3 years. A market wide correction will occur between now and then (Allah willing one doesn't occur for the sake of Muhammad's green dildo PBUH), but it will get to $600 nonetheless and then reach $1,000 in 5 years.

Screencap this post.

>Imagine being this retarded and missing out on easy gains?

>>16896428
>but it will get to $600 nonetheless and then reach $1,000 in 5 years.

I should have worded that a little better. Apple to $600 2-3 years from today. Apple to $1000 in 5 years from today.

Screen cap this post.

>>16892855
>price goes down
>it's the jews
>price goes up
>it's the jews

what a cringe pic end yourself

>>16892826
When did Apple do their 5-way split? I feel like they're going to have to split again at this rate. Fucking ludicrous.

>>16896468
it is the jews in either scenario tho, always swing the market to liquidate the goyim

>>16892826
Most stocks charts (barring a recent major correction) look like that when zoomed out enough.
This is why log charts are used instead of linear charts.
See pic related.
(That no one in this thread knew this goes a long way to explain why you're all broke.)

>>16896468
Fuck off kike

>>16896468
there is a way to find out who it is...

>>16892826
the spike in price represents the spike in money printing by the fed

>>16896471
The whole thing is quite literally a dick waving contest among executives where the biggest price on the ticker wins. Mega cap tech isn't going to split stock any time soon unless they face some sort of regulatory pressure (pressure which they aren't facing and won't face because America loves this shit).

I'd wager we will see a time where these same companies will "duke it out" in a "war" driven by the media for top spot. The normies will eat it up and provide the liquidity.

>>16896579
This. Literally this.

>>16896666
QUADS HAVE SPOKEN
BUY 0XBITCOIN AND FREE YOURSELF FROM THE FED.

>>16892826
Had I bought calls instead of puts Id have made a lot of money instead of losing a bunch on this normie hyped stock.

>>16894401
Invested last year. Got burnt too many times on options. Needless to say I've pulled out of the stock market. Several thousands lost, not gonna risk anymore on stocks and maybe options until perhaps an actual crash happens especially when I had better opportunities to have used that lost money on.

>>16894676
>literally what people said before 2008
LOL STAY POOR, BULLFAG

>>16894001
now you know where the money went to

>>16896172
Groceries 10 years ago vs today. Get less for more. The stock market crash next time will be 2x as bad as 1929. When it happens depends on who will be selling their stocks to fund their empty wallets. It has to come down hard at some point. Stocks are where Bitcoin was at 2k. Hope. Wait for a 40 50k nasdaq.

>>16896030
>>steady 1% a day
>>steady 365% a year
>retards buying it, biggest sell signal
Calling others retard when 1% a day compounded is actually 3778% a year.

>>16897148
So you're saying I should long Nasdaq with leverage?

>>16896580
>normies will eat it up and provide the liquidity
Normal people don't have money, that's why inflation is low. All the money going into stocks comes from people that have access to low interest rate loans like companies and banks.

>>16892826
Central banks are. They print money out of thin air to prop up the stock market. This has been known for ages. it's nothing new

>>16896428
Fuck that. Go look at the income statement just like Buffet would, their revenue has flatlined like everyone else. There is no reason it should be worth more now than what it was in 2017 literally just money from the Fed. Eventually investors will take profit and there won't be any buy orders on the other side of the trade.

>>16892826
This is the fucking tippy top, look at it!

>>16896428
yeah but what take a massive risk buying now for (maybe) a 2x

The Federal Reserve of course

>>16894877
Until people like you decide to retire before you and a mass sell off starts happening => the price fucking tanks.

NOOOOOOO WE GOT TOO COCKY CRYPTOBROS

THE STOCK BOOMERS ARE DABBING ON US AGAIN

>>16893254
This, they're buying their own stocks.

>>16892826
If that's not a fucking bubble. Jesus christ

>boomers 401k
>companies buying back shares while borrowing money from central banks

>>16892826
Its undervalued still.

>>16892826
Almost 10x the market cap of Bitcoin jfl

>>16892826
imagine buying shitcoins instead of apple stock

>>16894001
btc market cap is way higher, what's the problem?

>>16900703
your iq

>>16900703
>btc market cap is way higher
it isnt

>>16900703
Bitcoin isn't even a quarter trililon MC.
But by the end of the decade its market cap will surpass gold's. Screencap this.

>>16892826
As a person who over $100K in apple stock, I buy more very paycheck

>>16896580
Nobody besides 12 years old care about the actual stock price rather than the market cap. Companies prefer to split to make it affordable for normies to buy their stock. This was Apple's justification a few years ago. But you also don't want to have your shares outstanding be a retarded amounts in the hundreds of billions because that's usually a sign of a shitty company that did massive dilution a long time ago.

Apple has more money than god. There were points lost year when they had more money than the US government. That amount of cash is exponentially powerful in making more cash. Dump people think that declining iphone says will ruin Apple. Smart people realize Apple's opportunities to make more money have basically no limit now.

>>16892826
It's no different from the crypto bubbles. Buying only to sell to greater fools. Eventually the music stops and the house of cards collapses.

>>16896761
I thought this 6 months ago and pulled out and regret it. You can't rationalise this market, got to just go along with it

>>16901608
One of the dumbest posts I’ve read in a while. I cant wait for you to lose everything

Index funds mostly.

Boomers are filling up their Roth IRA & 401Ks right now to chase gains of this year.

>>16902883
Keep seething while holding on to your crypto

>>16895960
$MSFT is a monopoly, same with Google. Facebook/Apple have the riskiest business model of all.

>>16892826
How much profit they make out of $1 iphone? I heard the profit is as high as 90 cents.

>>16892954
banks cant hold that many stocks. and central banks have only been concerned with inflation since the 80s, brainlet.

>>16892826
Ohh god thats a beautiful bubble.

Bro, can you imagine when that shit pops all the money is going to flow in to Crypto?

>>16894001
Stop complaining. These are pillars of modern civilization, good or bad considered; but they are pillars. The thing resting on pillars are all human time.
1) Amazon: People are spending their time and money on Amazon to buy goods. Where did you buy your last gayming box from?
2) Microsoft: You can't complain this. Unless you are new, you have been using this for more than 20 years now. Spending your time every on games, web browser etc.
3) Google: You use thing every time you want to know something.
4) Facebook: This is bit lame but people are still spending average 1-3 hours of their day looking at their friends vacation in Italy.

60% of your life time will go into their products. What are you complaining for if the same thing is making them rich?

I got my half a mil stack, that's all I can afford for now. Comfy.

>>16894401
Yikes... you sold when you should've Been buying?

>>16903049
Based retard doesn't understand the wealth effect

>>16903049
It's not a bubble dumb ass. They have valuable assets. Real assets that generate money. None of their product line go to waste. Apple is one true business with perfect planning and execution.

>>16903136
>its not a bubble
That was pretty funny.

Apple has made huge gains in China over the last quarter. Keep in mind that Apple grew to its current levels with people believing that China sales were going to stagnate. Apple is going to explode to 400 soon.

>>16903136
>new paradigm

>>16892826
it is shit. look up their operating cash flow ratio. Its below 1.0 which is a no bueno

>>16892826
Wait for everyone to start hedging with bitcoin.

With algos in the driving seat these stocks will melt up. It's an obvious bubble but, algos don't read quarterly results (not many humans do either) everyone thinks they can get out before the next guy.

I'd love to hear a game theory expert talk about the current state of stocks and trading.

>>16903136
Tell me what their next iPhone is? A bendy tablet made by Samsung?

If you're in stocks and aren't taking profits regularly, you are severely retarded.
The actual economic data that matters has hardly recovered from the 2008 crisis (government has only manipulated the way statistics are counted to make things seem better than they are), yet stocks have mooned like crazy. None of this is sustainable. This is not a new paradigm. Stocks will only keep going up as long as the Fed can keep the ponzi going.

In the end precious metal boomers and crypto chads will win.

>>16903939
>Muh craaaaaaaash

>>16903939
You must be pissed that world war III didn't happen. Your fantasies aren't coming true anytime soon.

>>16903973
>>16903976
You people will never learn. There doesn't need to be a war or catastrophe for this shit to crash. You are pretending as if market cycles don't exist.

You are like turkeys, getting fed by your owner for 1000 days, thinking that things will always be this way, but on the 1001th day you get slaughtered for dinner. Classic fallacy.

I get that this is your first market, but I suggest you study some history.

>>16903128
>>16895489
i got liquidated son... and the margin requirements to trade stocks at the time were like $25,000. lick my wounds and got out with ~$4k
the time to buy was 2011 after all the volatility, not when i was in the market. sure amzn was $70 around that time but it was tough. people were spooked and didn't know that QE would really work. it's easy to see in hindsight.

I have like 2k in mutual funds now and all the rest of my money is in bitcoin. i'm not buying boomer bags even if we get the roaring 2020s cause if it happens you know how the 2030s will turn out.

>>16904010
dude stop reading zerohedge. We are bouncing back earnings are getting beat, fed easing from being overly tight, trade deal done. Its obvious we are entering a brand new bull market. You got a 20% drop in 2018 and that was it. Only a retard would not be all in on the stock market

>>16904010
Based but crypto is even worse than stocks and will go down faster and more violently than stocks. Entire crypto market is propped up by bitcoin, which is propped up by tether prints with a keystroke. BTC and crypto as a whole will be the first domino to fall in this impending financial doomsday. It has no value other than the perceived value by a greater fool buying for a greater price, and than greater fool hoping to sell at an even greater price to an even greater fool. Fucking hilarious to see the bitcoin community go from believers in the tech to speculation moonboys that think this shit is going to a million and will moon in a financial doomsday

In a nutshell, btc is taking something that has no value, build up the perceived value of it, and sell it for real value.

Only one crypto is even useful/matters and that is ZCASH, only because it will be the new daily transaction device

>largest pile of cash
>steadily increases revenues
>creates a great product
>relatively low multiples
>entering streaming war

>>16892826
Is apple the safest stock of all time?

>>16893004
lol banks don't convince people to buy more iphones. kys

>>16903136
>they have valuable assets

Who’s gonna tell him?

>>16903939
That's because only like 5 stocks have contributed to all the gains in the market

>>16904279
$254 billion in cash and products that people buy no matter what

>>16904311
I coded machine learning algos for a living. You have no understanding of what is currently taking place in tech. Keep buying though. Buy dude, surely everyone else is correct. Surely there is value here...somewhere

>>16904326
What happened

>>16904326
I don't think you know how the markets work

>>16904343
nothing happened other than he's pissed he has missed out

>>16895998
Exactly. Bubbles are when riches are made.

>>16904384
Kek

>>16904445
So what is going on then? Enlighten us with your superior intelligence.

>>16892985
>And probably will
Until it doesnt
>I won at blackjack with 19 eight times in a row

Why does everyone seem to think a recession of 30% or more will occur? No one has heard of a 5-10% corrections or 20% bear market?

>>16904621
Because they can only orgasm to the though of everyone who made all this money the last several years going long commit suicide by jumping out a window

>>16904326
And bro, Apple was a value stock with a P/E of 10 at one point, now it's P/E is just above the market average. Furthermore, since you apparently coded machine learning algos, then you would be thinking tech companies are becoming more efficient due to these algos. I'm still waiting for your enlightening opinion though.

>>16904362
To think I could have been rich buying apple with my pocket change as a teenager. A nice fantasy.

>>16904736
well, if you want to hindsight invest, bitcoin would have been better

>>16893372
i mean it already happened once. but then again apple hasnt been doing anything interesting lately

>>16904736
To think you could have bought bitcoin with pocket change and then ethereum with pocket change and then chainlink and be richer then 99,9999% of people.

>>16905325
Well, i'm not a pedophile or drug dealer / addict so it's unlikely that I would have been an early adopter of crypto in any case