/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16785137
because they are in the beast system since they are 4
enter at 4 , exit at 24-28

>>16785137
oh that's simple, because they want the toys the rich kids got.

>>16785137
>>16785137
Less is more. Nothing extreme like minimalism. Life isn't always perfect. But look at Scandinavia, people are happier. More things/stuff doesn't help your mental health wellness.

free market barely exists. because a gang of jewish criminals was able to asset strip usa in 2008, no one trusts anything or anyoine in the government. there should have been a major military action against jewish bankers judges and politicians immediately after the economic coup, but the mil did nothing. Now the jews own much of the institutions in usa and there WILL be another war against the jews. Choose your team with the most people not the most money. people die but gold does not

>>16785181
>Choose your team with the most people
But most people are completely zogged. And a military coup against Jews in 2008? The US military was primarily a tool for Israel since well before then. You think they're just fucking around in the middle east for no reason?

>>16785137
Simple, because people start to realise that capitalism doesn't work out for them -- or anyone or anything but the 0.1% at the top.

>>16785137
inflation makes them poor and they think that socialism is the answer, most normies are retards

>>16785430
if the us citizens and government begin cracking down on jews thats not a coup. what happened with 2008 federal reserve and financial system was a coup. In many areas outside of jewish run urban centers there are 0 jobs available above the poverty line. 0. As in there are no jobs that are not below even poverty levels of living. none. Killing the jews becomes the only choice for a nation impoverished and drained of all options

>>16785137
Having a bunch of useless rubbish, nobody needs, doesn't make people happy, as many studies have shown.
People don't want to live at constant fear of unemployment, homelessness, starvation, no medical care and so much more. They want to have safety of the most basic necessities in life. They want fulfilling jobs, which they won't get in a "free market", when it's not profitable.
Imagine my shock. -_-

>>16785137
Because most 1st world countries are in the end stages of it. We are at the point where the opportunities to move up in social class are few and far between. Only thing that can really save the system now is a world war. It would give us the jump start we need for a booming economy.

>>16785561
Cope.

>>16785181
This. Our market is hardly free. So long as the fed can pump fiat, you'll always be stuck in a rat race.

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>>16785652
>t. womens studies graduate
fucking commie parasite

>>16785692
>they both get the same answer

>>16785665
That is because the "free market" is a utopian pipe dream. The FED was specifically created to "prevent" the markets from collapsing constantly. Of course it doesn't work either and only makes the boom-bust cycles more severe, since this entire system (capitalism) is broken to the core.

>>16785703
More coping I guess. XD

>>16785765
comrade
Why work ?
Why provide a service ?

the answer is profit, but what will the answer be in your world ?

>>16785692
Billy found out the math doesn't add up for cremating bodies.

>>16785692
thats where you jews are done for. It wasnt white natioalists and nazis that you robbed. It was EVERYONE. So now you have to look out for guns from bllacks, irish, yellows, latinos, everyone on earth is pushing on you jew. The nazi antisemite defense doesn't work anymore. You robbed EVERYONE. Time to be punished for your crime

>>16785692
>black Twitter "memes"

>>16785652
You actually think the majority of the population is intelligent? They're all normalfags. It won't change.

>>16785561
>he thinks the average normie is a socialist

Jealousy is the driving force behind wanting to get rid of capitalism. It doesn't matter how good people have it objectively - as long as there is someone who is higher up the ladder they want to take them down in an attempt to put themselves up. In a free market usually the smartest and hardest working people will go to the top, so the dumb and lazy want to tear down the whole structure because they believe they can never make it.

The thing with the modern free market is that it's extremely easy to find people who are higher up any ladder than you. You can find strangers better at your job, at your hobbies, with more money, more power, more women than you all within 1 minute of research. It's understandable why people get salty. They don't care about having luxury, they would return to the stone ages if it meant the people at the top are no longer at the there and they got a shot at making it too.

>>16785137
Because a free market can manipulated and typically only benefits a select number of individuals which can actually hold back a markets growth because nobody trusts the market (crypto)

>>16785642
>>16785620
>>16785137
Why do retarded plebbitors share the least funny images on 4chan? Be honest, did you post these out of a desire to share something funny or fun or did you do it just to push your agenda?

>>16785778
You work for the fulfillment of your and your society's needs, whatever those needs might be at the given moment (it depends on the material conditions of any given area).
You can keep the surplus value of your labour and get the freedom to choose what to do with it, which in capitalism would be taken away by your boss.
The more you work, the more you get, as long as you don't exploit anyone or anything for your own gain.
You work towards real material goals, which benefit everyone, not just some stock shareholders.
You work to improve your own personal skills like art, music, sports etc., which is very fulfilling, instead of using it for creating ads that fool people to buy useless stuff.
You work for standing in society, to gain respect, due to the usefulness of your own labour, like being a scientist for example.

>>16785179
That's where choice comes into it.

>>16785620
>useless rubbish

apparently people are buying it, else it wouldn't be produced.

When I think of "free market" I think of that freedom to demand whatever it is you want and the market will supply that in equal proportion. If people generally raised their standards and wanted better quality things, it is in their power to demand that and reject the rubbish.

Just visit the averages person's home and see all the pointless hoarded crap and useless items. People do collectively have a power in the market if they would change their habits and behaviors first to elevate what they actually want or need.

>>16785814
we live in a time when the jew from uber who never made a penny profit ever is handed 500 million in 3 days from the public future debt. If you dont understand that there is no capitalism or free market you are either a decpticon jew, or a stupid child. There is a everyday barmitsvah for jews and their pets and poverty for most regardless of how hard they work or how much skill and talent they have.

>>16785806
>>16785807
Both are strawman arguments. I never claimed these things. Come on, you can do better than that.

>>16785895
>you work for fulfillment
A literal npc lmao. Why don't you get it? This is 4chan. Communism is the ideology of normalfags. You yourself are a normalfag.

>>16785137
The idea is to 'let the market decide' something.
But at what point do we stop 'letting the market decide'?
We can take the idea of free market and stretch it to the extreme.
Some people decided to stop letting the market decide at some point.
Who are they to decide?
Why that point was chosen and not some other point?

>>16785895
Oh and btw im already a NEET and so are many others here. So why would you assume I'd ever do anything productive lmao.

>>16785926
>communist actually think media is agaisnt them
Top kek. You can't deny the fact that its a normalfag ideology. This entire asks the question, why do normalfags support socialism.

>>16785911
If that were actually the case, ads wouldn't exist. Those are literally made to "create" demand for things people wouldn't buy normally, by exploiting weaknesses of the human phyche.

>>16785137
free markets cannot be controlled, which conflicts with their desire to be controlled by totalitarian Jewish Bolsheviks

>>16785137
because modern people are dumb as fuck. the elimination of natural selection within society has made it possible for a vocal minority to fuck everything up for everyone

>>16785895
Why are communists so retarded and idealistic? You bitch about wage slaving and then you pretend as though wage slaving would bring you fullfillment. Do you really think a shelf stocker at safeway is going to feel more fulfilled doing his work just because he's working for a bureaucratic goverment instead of a company?

90% of jobs that are neccassary are jobs people don't want to do and never would do if they didn't have money. Why the fuck do you think everybody wants to go to college and get a good job? Money? No, people want to do it because they want to have a fake useless job where they can pretend to do work for 5 hours a day rather than do anything. That is their life fulfillment. Doing nothing of value at all other than jerking off and playing video games. Thats my dream. Thats the dream of everyone who wants to retire.

People are fucking sheep. They're normalfags. Goyim. The only issue I have with the system is who is the particular people on top. Otherwise the goyim can go ahead and keep wasting their lives away buying frivolous things like new cars, movie tickets and liberal arts degrees.

People with free time in this world already fail to work towards personal skills. Being a garbage man doesn't grant you any pussy or respect in the real world and it never will. benefiting a company such as wall mart already benefits everyone as they now have the option to go there.


All this inclusivity bullshit. Why the fuck should there be equality in the first place? Why the fuck do you think making some mainstream shitty product is a good idea rather than allowing niche markets to open and expand?

>>16785620
I don't want money for useless rubbish, I want to be depositing my seed into a different 10/10 bed wench every single night

>>16785814
Most rich people get their wealth by inheriting it. The rest by owning property other people work on for them.

This is no jealousy, this is no "hard work". They are literal parasites.

>>16786140
How does that make the market any less free? If a nation had a legitimate democracy but the goverment had a great propaganda team and convinced everyone in the country to vote for one guy into office for his entire life, is that not considered freedom?

>>16786215
so in your commie world inheritance and/or passive income should not be allowed? everyone needs to be a wagecuck?

>>16786214
Hello my good friend. I am a proud communist. If you are a black or other minority I would start a farm to feed your mixed babies. Perhaps I can interest you in my daughter. Pussy belongs to the people after all.

>>16786215
Could you provide a source for that claim.
>they are parasites
Cmon guys all I want to do is steal money from the rich and give it all to the mindless normal cattle drones so that they can continue to propagate, and destroy the earth. Me the parasite?! No way!

>>16785994
Ok... Everything that is not you is a jewish Bolshevik, I guess.

>>16786272
Hmm...

>>16786272
Hmmmmmmm....

>>16785750
Capitalism is fine you tard. Even taxes can work, but the federal reserve is the number one enemy of the people.

>>16786277
>communist thinks he's persecuted when all of media are far left socialists who frequently demand economic reform and hate the rich
Cute. Your memes are really shit too. They're not very funny. Its all I AM SILLY and le cartoons shit. Its like you failed to realize what was funny about memes of the past but tried to emulate them anyway because you are a normal cattle NPC trying to fit in to the center of the herd.

>>16786301
>a plebbit post
Confirmed for normal cattle plebbitor.

So why are you shilling on /biz/ when you probably don't even understand how shorting works?

>>16785137
Have modern conveniences made humans any happier?

Whelp, this thread was the bleeding ass cancer I expected it to be. Amusing, but damn, ya'll need meds. Or a hug from your mommy.

Nothing pisses me off than weak faggots who survive and thrive off social cohesion like communists.

>>16786382
>you need help/meds/a hug

"Us versus them" thinking.

Is there a word ending with "-ism" describing this idea?

us-versus-them-ism.

>>16786402
jew suggests a hug from mom. it always helped him so he thinks why is everyone so pissed off, why arent people happy with their poverty

>>16786382
This! ^

You all really need to calm down. Your strawmen, ad hominems, name-calling, gish gallops and overall screeching don't make your stance any more convincing. :/

>>16786403
Yeah, Tribalism.

>>16785137
Markets are ok for some things but not everything. In a society as wealthy as we are (wealthy enough to shitpost on the internet) it's immoral to not provide basic necessities like clean water, air, food, shelter, medicine to ever person.
If we have a market for insulin, people will die because they can't afford it. That's evil. If we have a market for prison building contracts, that creates a profit motive to imprison people. That's evil. The list goes on...

>>16786530
Neither does ignoring any opposing opinions while posting plebbit tier memes.

the neoliberal retard rollercoaster pretending to be free market economics has left people with a bad impression

>>16785137
1. there's lots of rent seeking that's incorrectly called free market, especially zoning that inflates house prices several times and creates a net transfer of wealth from young generations to the old.
2. Back in 1980 an American waiter made more in a day than an engineer in USSR. These disparities were beyond absurd. The labor cost arbitrage is happening for 3 decades now. Real incomes in former socialist countries (including China) go up, global average goes up, Western working class incomes go down. It's going to end when real incomes roughly equalize globally, but average American got used to being at the top of the global wealth pyramid.

The latter is already starting to occur for developers, the last working occupation where Westerners have enormous advantages (like 10x for the same work) purely to geography. The process is slow, but probably in 20 years COL-adjusted income for a dev in Delhi is going to be equal to COL-adjusted income in SF. American developers are going to throw an absolute shit fit.

Ironically, socialism, tariffs etc. are only going to accelerate the process. Tariffs work when almost the entire production cycle is American, but now most of it isn't, which means tariffs push production _out_ of America, and only the end product is going to be imported.

>>16786632
>Back in 1980 an American waiter made more in a day than an engineer in USSR
than an engineer in USSR made in a month

>>16786555
Then there is something "unmarkety" going on.
What is the fancy economic term describing the opposite of market? Non-market?

>>16786632
Your mistake is thinking the economy is zero sum. There is no reason that peasants from China having a growing economy will lead to less real value in the average salary of a U.S. waiter.

>>16786610
Like this place here is any better -- please...
Try to argue against 3 or more people, who gish gallop constantly.
I'm not even on Reddit.

Anyway, it's been fun. See ya.

>>16786555
>morality
Have fun being a slave.

>>16786683
>Your mistake is thinking the economy is zero sum
I'm not
>global average goes up

>There is no reason that peasants from China having a growing economy will lead to less real value in the average salary of a U.S. waiter.
There is. The real global global growth is and was in the single percentages. The income disparity started above 10x. Which means Western incomes must go down, the disparity was simply too large.

>>16786691
You don't know what gish gallop meme lmao.
/leftypol/ was always a plebbit colony. You are a plebbitor, you can pretend you aren't all you want but you'd fit in with that crowd very well.

>>16786698
> Wannabe-cynic
> Wannabe-nihilist
> Still alive
> Thinks that morality is not a problem

>>16786701
It might go down relative to the other growing nations but its not generally going down for that reason.

>>16786722
>if you don't believe in social contructs like morality you are a nihilist
I'm not a nihilist, i enjoy life. I enjoy spitting on the homeless in my spare time. I enjoy watching communists who thought they could just go to 4chan and turn it into a political propaganda tool be teared down. I enjoy shitting on normalfags who believe things like morality.


Why would I kill myself?

>>16786725
>but its not generally going down for that reason.

>>16786725

>>16785137
There has never been a free market because labor is coerced. You're not allowed to opt out and homestead on a free plot of land. With that or something like a UBI in place, markets can continue to offer wages and working conditions that a rational actor would refuse, but which a wagie is coerced into accepting if they don't want to die shivering and hungry under a bridge somewhere.

>>16786698
go back to Somalia and enjoy the free markets

>>16786769
> Why would I kill myself?
idk

>>16786787
without that*. Fuck my face.

>>16786770
>for that reason

>>16786801
then what else?
It's exactly what you would expect: older generations accumulated wealth from their relatively very high incomes.
Younger generations are getting lower and lower real income, so they have way less wealth. It's one statistic that includes in its real life costs of living without manipulated inflation statistics.

>>16786770
Also I thought we just agreed the economy is not zero sum. The share of wealth in that case means nothing if the real value is larger.

The economy is worse off than the 60's because of increasing wealth inequality and a never ending growth in the population making demand great and supply infinite.

>>16786795
What does this have to do with morality?
>comparing niggers and whites.

>>16785181
based and goytalk.com pilled

>>16785137
instinctual scarcity mind set

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