/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16756853
Normies got a taste of ancap in 2017 and were dumped on by chinks and pajeets. No one cares about ancap they want to government to step in an get their money back.

It's impossible because any ancap society lacks the force that a central govt can muster via taxation leading to a deficet of security. Lib ancaps also ignore race and the obvious cultural and genetic differences that sculpt society.

worked for him

>>16756853
Well I don't care about the well-being of (most) people. I don't expect them to care about me, and they don't. But Ancapistan is not realistic. It would turn into some authoritarian regime as soon as the right person got half a mind to make it happen.

>>16756853
my thought is, if you hate the government and military so much why dont you live in a lawless country? no one is forcing you to live in the U.S or whatever. if you are a 1st worlder, you CHOOSE to live there because its comfortable and the only way you can get those conveniences is through great leadership, a strong military, and limited government interference

>>16756853
also someone will ALWAYS try to be in power. you can not avoid that

>>16756853
sounds nice in theory but there has to be something in place to prevent monopolies and to create stability power vacuums are always bad

>>16756853
It's a completely flawed ideology. It rejects empiricism by rejecting the realities of human nature, conflict, laws and other concepts that a workable political doctrine has to contend with.

It's utopian bullshit embraced by naive ideologues or lazy thinkers.

>>16756853

it's a phase people go through until they become a wage slave and realize it's not going to make them rich and have a harem of child sex slaves and tactical mcnukes

>>16757649
>if you hate the government and military so much why dont you live in a lawless country?
this, embrace full blown anarchist illegalism and die in shootout like old western much baseder

Roger wanted a little autonomy and had the sack to walk his own path. All you guys do is coooom to nigger asses and eat tendies.

Imagine being a lolbertardian nowadays.

roger is a faggot but at least he helps og bitcoiners like charlie shrem and I think he helps ross with what he can

>>16757811
Yup. Still trying to petition and get him out of the clink. Why hate roger when we have CSW around?

>>16757833
yeah I think roger is genuine and just didn't have the same vision of most developers
which when you look at the scaling argument short term it makes sense to raise the blocksize to keep profits flowing but this strategy will be expoited
but most roads to hell are paved with good intentions

craig is just something else entirely lol

>>16757884
Must suck to be Roger Ver in a sense, all this money, influence and power and yet you never really know if you're making the right decision or not.

>>16757935
I think he's doing alright
I think he had a stack of 30k bitcoin before the bcash shenanigans
although bitmain reported losses of 700m from their bcash investment so who knows how much he lost
he did say he won't ever sell all his bitcoin so he's not totally screwed but he messed up for sure

>>16757995
He’s has more money than he knows what to do with.

>>16757884
>yeah I think roger is genuine
no hes not. hes blockstream
>>16757935
>yet you never really know if you're making the right decision or not.
he knows exactly what hes doing

Having an ideology in general is kind of immature in my opinion. It means you aren't able to look at something from two opposing perspectives. Some people don't grow out of it though.

>>16758139
I think it's good to have an ideology and stand up for what you believe in
looking at all the perspectives if the best way to settle into your own

>>16758167
Surprisingly cogent post on biz; a rare thing, nowadays.

>>16758167
The older I get the more it seems like political ideology is something used to motivate and mobilize the masses via appealing to their simple sense of morality, but the leaders are all operating under pragmatic realpolitik.

>>16758216
Go back to Plebbit, nigger.

>>16756853
the future is libertarian

>>16758241
What's so objectionable about that?
Issues aren't so black and white really, and in the end a lot of it comes down to 'might makes right' and 'history is written by the victors'. Simple right-versus-wrong morality plays just seem like childish cartoonizations of the world.

>>16758216
yeah I think these people who were mobilized by the media are more susceptible to propaganda
in 2012 the NDAA repealed the smith mundt act making propaganda legal to use domestically

so it's important to have your own ideology to counteract this NPC programming
the leaders don't want us to have rights so this morality appeal will be used to ban guns, police speech, and keep the goyim in line
we need to express our sovereignty over these injustices or else we become lesser people

>>16758275
Because you’re trying to flex using words like realpolitik; that’s a douche nozzle, try-hard word. Fuck you.

>>16758290
Douche nozzle is a douche nozzle word

>>16758290
How petty and smallminded do you have to be to get upset over 'big words hurt head.. big words bad!'? I occasionally encounter your type on here and would pity you if I had more empathy; instead I just become ever that much more of a misanthrope.

>>16758338
>obese, sword collecting, fedora tipper detected.

Kindly leave.

>>16758343
Perhaps you should have been aborted?

>>16758275
>and in the end a lot of it comes down to 'might makes right' and 'history is written by the victors'
Very based

>>16758367
Perhaps you have HPV. Doesn’t everybody? Amirite?

>>16758290
Nah how about fuck YOU for getting triggered over a word.

>>16758394
Can I carve a symbol in your forehead?

>>16758275
you're naive because you've had the privilege of living in a 1st world country
the battles won in history secured a future where documents like the constitution are the law
without winning these battles through war and through appeal we don't have a culture to freely associate and innovate and grow

this is all very meaningful and important

>>16758399
Stop lowering the level of discourse please, subhuman.

and there are a lot of wars and appeals that are unjust
like the "great gift" of diversity
so it's important to have an ideology and voice it to prevent these wars and ideas built on a false foundation

>>16758428
You're right that political struggle is a critical aspect of history that seems to advance the world but I'm not so sure it's really a perpetual advancement anymore. It could be that our civilization is on its way out just like all those before it, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, etc. Even this idea of a Singularity seems like it could just lead to the fall of humanity. I can't bring myself to identify with any particular ideology when it just seems like one subcomponent of the larger machine.

these people coming into our countries didn't fight for the freedom our ancestors secured and most of them don't care about it either
this is why legal immigration and citizenship classes are important

this will boil down into another fight and it's because of spineless faggots with no ideology

>>16758531
>it's really a perpetual advancement anymore
it's not, we're regressing right now because people don't stand for anything

>>16758577
Perhaps we're in the end phase where hedonism and apathy are the order of the day. Look around and judge for yourself. Somewhere down the line some energetic idealists may (perhaps violently) forge a new society out of the remains of this one. It's sad I know, but thats what it seems like to me.

why do you think all of a sudden Boeing airplanes are crashing out of the sky
and overpasses are collapsing and the infrastructure is failing
we're regressing big time

>>16758605
>Somewhere down the line some energetic idealists may (perhaps violently) forge a new society out of the remains of this one. It's sad I know, but thats what it seems like to me.
I hope they do and I hope bitcoin empowers them and protects their assets and sovereignty

>>16758609
I've been musing to myself that they probably don't have the ability to rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral even if they wanted to.

Charity has always existed. Don't fall for the lies of authoritarians, what we have now is a state-mandated redistribution system, not real care and charity. Women don't give half of a shit about earning money and contributing to it themselves.

>>16758617
I don't think they do
we can't rebuild the Saturn 5 we lost the notes and I'm not even joking look it up
there are many things that were lost recently and we don't have the structure and order to put it together as good as we did in the past

>>16758629
You're right. I used to think we were near the peak, but I eventually realized that we're well past it. The barbarians have already flooded into Rome. Not to say there still isn't beauty in the world though.

>>16758629
>we can't rebuild the Saturn 5
I worked at NASA for about seven years straight out of college and this kind of thing combined with the absurd diversity hiring resulting in so much dead weight was one of my first big red pills. It's really fucking depressing.

>>16756853
Libertarians are morally right, but pure ancap is not achievable with the current human nature. Minarchism is. Economic freedom works really well too.

If you care about the wellbeing of others you can help them by yourself with your own time and money. You would also advocate for economic systems that actually work (free market capitalism).
The irony is free money (wellfare) actually seems to harm people as it crushes their motivation to improve themselves - causing them psychological harm.

>>16757649
My family has been living here before the current gov existed. Not from murica.

>>16756853
>she
Found the problem. Women expect to have their way through life paid for by men. They intentionally get pregnant to force a guy to marry them, they sue for child support if he doesn't, they get divorced and demand child support plus alimony if he does.

>>16758682
>causing them psychological harm.
this is true
the brain is like an engine and the ability to build a concept of the future that's bright keeps you persisting through the shit nobody wants to deal with
welfare is like castrating the soul, your future is a pathetic leech but your material body accepts it as a survival mechanism
and these people usually can't distinguish between the two and don't have the community support system to get them off that assistance and back into a functioning member
so they rot mentally as their physical needs are satisfied

>>16758625
Giving the vote to tax leeches was a mistake.

>>16758656
It's like excellence and doing things efficiently is put on the back burner in favor of fulfilling their ideological delusions.

>>16758139
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

>>16758742
Good principles are good.

>>16758742
Well, I do have things that I value, and a vision for the type of society I'd like to live in. Is that ideology?

>>16758754
we don't need the state but we need a consensus
peace, trade, sharing ideas, etc. all generate efficiencies which advance humanity
the constitution is the greatest document it's simple and to the point
we need to communicate and stand for and defend these ideals to advance ourselves

>>16756853

ISN'T IT ABOUT TIME TO EVOLVE FROM 1913?

>>16758786
Yeah.

and this is why I'm a bitcoin maximalist
we need to be able to run a validating node if we want to
because when the day comes you can't verify the network is the day you are no longer sovereign

>>16758848
If bitcoin threatens the states ability to tax the state will start attacking bitcoin users.

>>16758907

>>16758920
But is bitcoin actually anonymous?

>>16757649
because a "lawless country" is just a failed state, not the absence of a state. there is no place on planet earth for ancaps to move to that align with their ideals

>>16758931

In a p2p manner why not?

When it goes through a KYC system then no right?

i think that many people who call themselves "libertarian" are actually uneducated tea party types who are closer to anarchists and thus i have stopped using the label to identify my beliefs

i believe that a central government can and should perform a number of important roles in society for which there is no clear economic motive (aka public goods and services)

i also believe that powerful central regulation is necessary to prevent certain failures in the free market mechanism such as monopolies and negative extrernalities like pollution

i believe that healthcare is a classic example of a free market failure and should be provided and heavily regulated by the state (from an economic theory perspective doctors and drug companies can be considered monopolies with unfair market power which needs to be corrected. if you tell a patient they need x drug to live you can charge them any price for that drug, this is a market failure, an inefficient allocation of scarce resources)

there are a few other benefits to having a real government but fundamentally i also believe that government should be viewed antagonistically in general and we should always be looking for ways to make it smaller where possible

>>16758907
we must have a peaceful revolution and win with debates and logic and build a brighter future than what globohomo is selling
satoshi was anonymous and you can't attack bitcoin by attack his personal flaws
the idea is greater than the individual

Ancap is the Lexus of political ideas. Its the relentless pursuit of perfection. Can perfection ever be reached? No. But it is still a good marker to strive toward. Can true anarchocapitalism ever be achieved? Not as long as a single person is willing to initiate violence. Is it still good to try to push toward it? Absolutely.

>>16759040
to be fair you could slightly tweak this paragraph and use it for literally any political ideology:

Communism is the Lexus of political ideas. Its the relentless pursuit of perfection. Can perfection ever be reached? No. But it is still a good marker to strive toward. Can true communism ever be achieved? Not as long as a single person is willing to take more than they need. Is it still good to try to push toward it? Absolutely.

>>16759002
So you think people have an obligation to serve each other? This means people are slaves to each other. Some are just more slave than others.

I don't think anyone should be obligated to serve me, but only obligated to not attack me (no steal, no kill etc.)

>>16759077
Slavery is obligated/forced servitude.

>>16759077
>So you think people have an obligation to serve each other?

not an obligation to serve each other, i wouldn't call healthcare a "right", but they shouldn't be able to exploit monopoly-like power to extract more than a fair market price for their products and services. because the consumer cannot have the same level of knowledge about the market and cannot go to another supplier for a competitive price, the market mechanism price does not function as intended here. someone needs to protect consumers in this transaction, the same way the market for electricity and water is regulated to prevent monopoly abuse. nobody is obligated to provide you water, but they can't exploit monopoly power for undue profit either.

>>16758940
Maybe because it doesn't fucking work.

>>16759107
I have nothing against honestly built monopolies. If people want something other than what a monopoly is providing they can build their own systems and boycott the monopoly.

If consumers willingly buy a product, even if it is priced highly, the trade is beneficial for the consumer as the trade would not happen otherwise.

I guess we have to agree to disagree.

>>16759187

you are right that water and power is not a perfect analogy to healthcare. in economic theory we call things like water and power "natural monopolies". these are businesses where theoretically someone could build a competing grid, but it is a waste of resources to have two or three competing power grids, so it is better society overall to just have one grid and for the state to regulate a fair price. it's about pragmatism over ideology.

>I have nothing against honestly built monopolies

i would consider this an extremist ideological viewpoint. you are putting the ideal of "freedom" above science (albeit economics) and reality.

at the end of the day the ultimate goal of the market price mechanism is to achieve the most efficient allocation of resources. any time this does not happen we call it a market failure, it is costing society more than it benefits.

i think it's self evident that paying $90 for generic ibuprofen in a US hospital is not the most efficient use of our resources.

>>16759229
>i would consider this an extremist ideological viewpoint
I agree. In this case I put the moral good "freedom" over efficiency etc.

The point of freedom is that everyone can chase their own values and happiness how they want to - not economic efficiency. At least that is what I think in this case.

>>16759229
If monopolies have great pricing power that creates an incentive to innovate some alternative way to compete with them and take high margin market share. High margins = more innovation.

lol at all the cucks who need a (((state))) to protect them

>>16759332
Could be totally wrong on this. lol. Competition = innovation too. High profits should still attract competition.

>>16758290
which synonym for realpolitik should he have used, fucking faggot?

>>16759229
There are machines that condense water from air. There are alternatives to these "natural monopolies".

>>16759335
You are only alive right now because you benefit from your state military, courts and police.

>>16759295

regulation is not like slavery or communism. i don't think there's anything in the system that i described which would prevent someone from chasing their own happiness, unless their specific happiness is to be like a pharma billionaire or a water baron.

maybe you could make the argument that the lost tax payments are doing that, but i would say your total cost of living overall including the taxes is probably lower under my system, and also you are probably making more money due to the provision of public goods like roads and police which enable more business activity so overall you're probably better off

>>16759332

>innovate some alternative way to compete with them and take high margin market share

this could be the case for some products, but in the case of water and power and other necessities for life i think that we are better off paying a low, regulated price than a price at which someone is making such tempting profits, even if it offends the personal freedom of pharma billionaires. i think on this point we will have to agree to disagree.

>>16759377

there are now but there wasn't in the 1600s when they started with indoor plumbing

without state regulation that could have been 400 years of water tycoons charging 80% of your income for a basic necessity of life for which there is no possible substitute

>>16759136
hard to say, the only time it's been (arguably) tried was in medieval iceland, and it worked out well there

>>16758531
I deeply agree with this post, thank you anon

>>16759391
I can live happily in your system. This monopoly thing is a minor matter to me.

>>16758290
lol what a fagget. Please go back

>>16756853
Georgist libertarian here. Libertarianism is a great idea because its a concept that doesn't require asterisks or footnotes on issues.
>No one has the right to interfere between a consensual agreement between two parties of sound mind
If I grow apples, and wish to sell them to you for $1 an apple, and you wish to buy for $1, no one should be able to stop the transaction, or redistribute the wealth of the transaction. If an adult wishes to sleep with another consenting adult, it shouldn't be a problem. If someone wishes to shoot heroin into their eyeballs, it shouldn't be a problem.
>Don't take peoples things, don't hurt people
Anytime you levy a tax, you are saying that you demand someone pays that amount. If they don't, you assess a fine and garnish from their wages directly. If they resist further, the state sends armed police to kidnap and incarcerate you for not paying the tax. The state has acted no different than a robber. No one asked you if you wished to pay for x, y, or z.
>What about the roads
Its within a communities own self interest to repair the roads. So they will organize and create their own funding and purchasing options for the problem
>Isn't that just government though?
Government is an involuntary system. I can't opt out of the government. Having no government but allowing consenting individuals to form collectives to pay into coffers and solve problems is totally fine. The association is voluntary and within their own self interest. You can solve police and fire the same way.
>Why not just let the government do it
The government is bad at everything. You know this. I know this. Private business outpaces and outperforms. Its a dinosaur eating up tax dollars on useless projects. The government also has a long history of ignoring their own rules and regulations and doing bad things to their own citizens.

>>16758931
its still being developed

>>16759614
>Its within a communities own self interest to repair the roads. So they will organize and create their own funding and purchasing options for the problem
This. If people really want roads - they will build them.

>>16759332
>incentive to innovate some alternative way to compete with them and take high margin market share
There is something wrong with this, but I don't entirely understand why. This is a logically sound argument but for some reason doesn't really come true in practice - for example life saving drugs cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and ambulance rides cost thousands of dollars. Monopolies are intrinsically bad in my opinion but I have yet to understand economics to the extend that I can explain why.

>>16759614

>The state has acted no different than a robber [in collecting taxes]

it is different, there are a number of plain differences to a violent robbery, for example:

>a fixed, known amount rather than an arbitrary/opportunistic one
>at least a modicum of political representation in the lawmaking process
>an independent judiciary overseeing the situation and due process for any disagreements you have with the state

my point is just that taxation is not literally the same as violent robbery - i don't want to debate the relative merits of taxation as a concept

>Its within a communities own self interest to repair the roads. So they will organize and create their own funding and purchasing options

so what do you do when one man refuses to pay but benefits from the roads anyway? even if he doesn't drive on them directly he still benefits from increased traffic in town, goods in the stores, etc. How is that fairer than a tax? same argument applies to police, fire

>>16759671
in the case of drugs the patent system prevents any competition

in the case of ambulance rides i don't think you could really deliver the same service for less than that price, even in countries with socialised medicine an ambulance ride still costs thousands, just that they do't have to pay it

same as when a fire engine shows up for a false alarm it costs you thousands

>>16759680
Are you against patents? Would new drug discovery stop as if a company spends 500 million to develop a new drug and competitors just copy it you lose money without any real gain comparable to the money spent.

>>16759701
no i'm not against patents

in countries with socialised medicine patents are still honoured, it's usually just that the amount of money they can charge for the drug is limited by law as a percentage of the cost it took to make it

the pharma companies still make profits and do research in Europe, the system works just fine

>>16759680
So our own patent system (a regulatory strain on the free market) is causing the monopoly, and market pricing cannot be efficient because of it. Seems a bit ridiculous if you ask me

>>16759701
Are you against parents? A true free market economy would have no such thing

>>16759708
sure if you eliminated the patent system that might reduce the problem of drug affordability, but it would also likely cease any further drug research as >>16759701 says

a better solution is just to regulate the amount they can charge for the finished product so it's a win for everyone, not just the stockholders

>>16756853
all libertarians go through an ancap phase like how all republicans go through a libertarian phase.
currently a minarcho-capitalist. my ideal society would be a government that lays out the most basic possible "regulations" for government and environmental/public standards, and leaves industry 99% untouched.

>>16759614
also how do you deal with the problem of pollution in the atmosphere? everybody would just burn everything with reckless abandon because nobody owns the atmosphere

>>16759713
Really high risk still requires really high reward for it to be worth it. Most drugs fail.

>>16759451
The reason it's no where to be found is because you can't defend yourself with a state military so you get conquered or wiped out by smarter civilizations who do have a state military.

It's not rocket science.

>>16759732
look the pharma companies make the business model work in europe so i don't know what to tell you. evidently it is possible to find the right balance.

>>16759737
without a state military*

>>16759737
not every modern state has a military tho...

>>16759673
>Hey mate we're taking $1500 for bombs for Iran
>I don't want to pay that
>Sorry mate a bunch of other people already agreed for you
If I don't consent to it, I shouldn't have to pay it. Its a violation of how I wish my property to be used.
>What if someone refuses to pay
What if every single person driving through town doesn't tip you a penny? If a person doesn't wish for there to be roads, it happens to be in their own self interest to not pay the community for roads. Most people, realizing the massive savings to car maintenance with less spent on road maintenance, will keep the roads in shape.
>Muh free rider problem
Roads are pretty much where it stops. Police may stop a criminal that helps you circumstantially but won't be obliged to help you recover your property or pursue them in a court of justice.
>Taxation is not the same as armed robbery
Here's the scenario. You are asked to finance a war you don't agree with
>You need to give us your property to finance our war
>I don't agree
>We will take the property by any means that we can
>If you resist, you will be detained and kept in a cage. If you resist being detained, we will kill you
Taxation is theft. It is the promise of violence or coercion to attain your property.

>>16759755
>Taxation is theft.
Yup. People just want to feel good about it so they try to call it something else.

>>16759755
>Roads are pretty much where [the free rider problem] stops

no, it applies to police too, because criminals obviously don't know which people and businesses are protected, so it's not safe to invade any one of them because any one of them could have the police

same with fire, if they put out your neighbours house then you benefit, because yours would have burnt next

also, if you follow it logically to the conclusion, the entire town is going to benefit from the roads, so if you make payment voluntary it is in every single citizens interest to choose not to pay, because they get to benefit anyway

>Here's the scenario [consequences of resisting taxation]

you already made that point. i said i wasn't going to talk about the idea that taxes should exist or not because honestly i'm not sure about it.

my pedantic point is just that this process is different from a genuine armed robbery for the reasons i stated in my last post

>>16759755
I think that very soon (within the next decade) we are going to find out what happens when a significant percentage of the population 'opts out' of paying taxes in full because of cryptocurrencies. Thanks to the digitization of privacy and value, proving that you made x dollars in income or own x dollars in your bank is going to be increasingly more difficult (and in some cases next to impossible, like with Monero)

>>16759335
because cartels and corporations are so much better? Go live in africa and see how great it is

>>16759807
Cartels and corporations cant force you to pay for something you dont want or use.

Africas problem is "eat the rich". They murder everyone who does a little better in life and steal their property. This is why their IQ is low (high IQ = get killed) and they mostly do subsistence farming (no "excess" produced, leading to starvation because no "food savings" anywhere). Produce excess? Get killed.

>>16759798
>Everybody stops paying the firemen
>The firemen get new jobs and fires are a problem
You're forgetting that people don't want to disrupt their own self interest. The 21 year old closet dwelling neat may not pay the fire community fee, but his mom who owns the property most likely will because they don't want shit to burn down. The community is supported because even though I think fire is more important than more police, someone else might consider police more important. Another person may opt out entirely and instead support an art initiative in the community. The people choose to pay for the service, and the association for paying is voluntary. If they decide to instruct the firemen not to stop fires on certain properties, or tell the police not to patrol certain neighborhoods, that's their choice for retaining the service.

>>16759807
The state forces me to pay for things I don't want or need all the time.

>>16759826
it is in nobody's individual best interest to pay the fee because everyone else will

this is the free rider problem. putting a "muh" in front of it does not make it go away

also it is simply not fairer than a well designed tax

>>16759835
In the current system it is in politicians best self interest to buy votes, hand out free money, even if it doesn't make sense. Which is why we get a shit ton of bad government in addition to some good government. If only net taxpayers get to vote the system could be better.

>>16759229
>i think it's self evident that paying $90 for generic ibuprofen in a US hospital is not the most efficient use of our resources.

while I have to agree with that, I think it's ok for companies to pursue profits. Even if that puts a price on some human lives. If not for the profits, we would see way less inovation on medicine/medications so in the end more people would end up dead not because they couldn't afford it, but because said solution wouldn't have been even invented.

>>16759851
yes this is a huge problem with democracy as a concept, but as churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government except all other forms that have been tried from time to time

>>16759828
>>16759823
Absolutely Naive. Taking away government anywhere leads to a police state situation run by the cartel, because ringleaders with a brain will take the initiative.

Theres plenty of space in America/Canada to live alone primitively, you actually dont have to spew your libertarian retardation as if it benefits anyone

>>16759870
I am for limited government, not 100% anarchy.

>>16759861
I think we can retain the benefits of democracy while limit the negatives if we limit the amount of voters somehow. Raise voting age, only taxpayers vote or something other like that. To vote you need to have skin in the game.

This still retains the diversification of political power that democracy has without leading to dictators while cutting irresponsible voting a little.

>>16756853
>Is it just a phase teenagers go through?
You can say the same about fascism, communism, socialism. Most ideologies have cringey teenagers.

>>16759950
Kek.

>>16756853

well, these are just another memes

memes upon memes combined with other memes

/thread

>>16759950
Except communists and ancaps never win debates and components of Fascism policies are still used in America/most western countries to this day.

>>16756853
The people who think it's "just a phase for teens" are those whose lives have been crushed by wagecuckery since. It's a coping mechanism.

>>16757995
>I think he had a stack of 30k bitcoin before the bcash shenanigans
300k *

>>16760115
no brainlet, its 44k

>>16759388
spotted the good goy

>>16756853
>1 post by this id

>>16757616
It works in a homogeneous society in wich 50%+ subscribe to the ideology fully and which somehow maintains closed borders.

Mass immigration violates the NAP

>>16759748
Because they have protection from allied states that do. They are geopolitically not independent or sovereign but mere vassal states.

>>16760129
Not an argument.

Libertarianism is just cave man social structure primitivism with guns.

pro-Libertarianism / Anarchocapitalism in this thread might be interested in Kleros. Seriously. Look into it for a few minutes. I got into Bitcoin in 2012 because of Ron Paul and I haven't been this interested in a project since Monero. Basically brings dispute to the market. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of dapps that will be launching using the token soon. Staking pays in ETH (ew) and isn't a free ride.

>>16758940
What you want is a one way trip to mars

>>16759671
By definition an entrenched monopoly dominates the market. Now while monopolies cant just completely do what they want (they have to provide something at a decent price or their business is still dead), they have the power to shut out competitors.
Actually monopolies arent the worst thing, becuase monopolies do need to be in some decent working order not to collapse on themselves. What really destroys markets is cartels, because if one of the cartel players folds, the rest still carry on.

>>16758682
Ancaps are morally simple and politically and economically retarded. libertarians are essentially NIMBY types.
Theres a reason theres no real libertarian platform, and thats because one libertarian represents only himself and his local conditions

If we want the rich and powerful to honor our individual rights we need to honor theirs too.

>>16760587
There is no real libertarian platform because 99% of people follow the morals of
>gibsmedats
This is why with the current human nature ancap does not work.

>>16760596
Libertarians also want gibs in the form of social autonomy.
Theres no politics where the parties are self interested

>>16760633
Libertarians want to get what they want without using violence or the threat of violence on others. They are willing to build their own lives honestly. This is how they differ from gibsmedats.

>>16760665
So does everyone until you dont get what you wanted

>>16760778
Adults don't turn to (state)violence when life slaps them in the face. There are many things in life I don't yet have, but I am working towards them in my own ways without crying to the state for help.

Post-scarcity makes ancap obsolete.

>>16760798
There will always be scarcity.

>>16760800
Why?

>>16760808
Even if you are immortal the universe will end and there is only 24 hours of time in a day, not 48. The speed of doing things is limited, not infinitely fast.
Two objects cannot be in the same space at the same time. Space is limited. Natural resources are not infinite.

Human desires are infinite. We always want more and more. When we get more we get used to it and want more.

When we solve problems, we invent new ones. Eventually we will end up with unsolvable problems.

There is no infinite source of energy, therefore production is limited.
The amount of consumers may grow faster than production.
Technology might seem like magic, but it is not. Laws of physics limit us.

Even if all your material needs are met - no one will love you anyway. So what is the point.

>>16760854
Dissatisfaction is eternal.

>>16760854
>Human desires are infinite
That’s a normie meme

>>16760884
It's called the hedonic treadmill and it is very real.

>>16760893
Life is finite

>>16760896
Yes. There will always be scarcity. Can't get everything.

>>16760796
Yes they do, thats politics

>>16761348
And that is why everyone should not vote.

>>16759229
Here in Brazil 30 600mg ibuprofen cost about $5.