/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16616594
Most of the new money oligarchs are computer science.
Don't waste your life in accounting unless you can't cut it in something useful.

>God tier
>no NLP crypto engineer

>>16616617

Shhh, let them continue to be fucktards.

Durrr hurr CS is a meme! Over-saturated!

>>16616594
Do statistics/math

Veterinary study is shit tier. Dumb worthless goys wiping the filthy arseholes of dogs are cats. Absolut cucks, not even real doctors. I will never refer to a veteranarian as a docter. They are pure low energy NPCs, every veterinarian could be shot tommoro and the world be a better place. Honestly if an animal is sick or injured just shoot it. It's usually cheaper to buy a new pet than it is to go to and vet. Terminating your pet is the more practical and humane thing to do. Imagine going to university just so you can save the life of an animal.

>>16616594
I'd move software engineering and nuclear engineer up to unbelievable, mechanical engineering down to great tier, and specific foreign languages up to god tier (Mandarin and some other Asians)

I work in as an Analyst at a large regional bank. Accountants from good schools are impossible to find. The company often has to pay for mouth breathers in accounts payable to go back to school so we can justify promoting them later on. We would much rather have decent people from decent schools with accounting degrees from the start. Fuck theyd hire someone out of college with an accounting degree and no prior work experience.

>>16616984
What are the hours and the pay? If its something like 50k/year for 80hrs of crunchtime just lol @ that.

>>16616851
Vets have a huge suicide rate.
Probably from the overwhelming sadness
of putting down a pet
repeated daily for years.

>>16616658
People say CS is over-saturated because it is. But CS is the best proponent to becoming a billionaire, it's only bad if you're going into CS for a job.

>>16617083
It’s honestly not even bad as a wagie. Lots of shit talk but it’s all around hard to beat.

>>16617057
Out of college as a first job it isnt bad. Youd probably start at around 50k depending on the bank. Also, its rarely ever more than 40 hours a week except at the end of q3.

Still you gotta find the right place, things like trust and working at my own pace are things thatd I wouldnt sacrifice for a 5k bump in pay ya know?

Banks are starving for accountants from good schools (not community colleges)

>>16616617
I am in accounting, and a good part of my job is mastering new technology that will ultimately put many of my old coworkers out of a job. I also went down this career path because I was realistic with myself that I wasn’t smart enough for CS/medical doctor/lawyer paths, so I picked the best option for my intelligence level.

>>16616594
Why is Electrical Engineer Unbelievable tier?
Electrical Engineer has many hidden traits, it can vary from "put batteries into a clock" to "please reduce ultra-vibrations in my transformer".
Is it really that hard in other peoples eyes? Never actually thought about it...

>>16616594
unbelievable tier is MD or DO or DDS
great tier is JD from ivy school
good tier is JD from state/private school or nursing degree drom community college or state school
everything else is shit tier. teach yourself

t. MS in CS

>>16617135
kek
Its the subspecialties that matter. There are probably less than 50k people in the entire world able to do RFID engineering for example. Maybe a good quarter million who can do chip design. A few mil who can reasonably do power engineering and so on...

>>16617152
All of these have tradeoffs, DDS is great but your day is spent hunched over people doing very fine, very precise work where if you're doing it ethically you're trying to help the person with least damage possible. How much you making with that MS in CS? Can't comment on others.

>>16617066
So do regular doctors and construction workers

>>16617116
This. People don't realize you need an exceptional IQ to be able to complete an engineering degree

>>16617157
When you get to transmission lines, it's just pure civil engineering.

>>16616594
Honestly man,

Do stats with a minor in econ.

Accounting and Finance purely is WAY too competitive at the entry level (if you want to be in a big company that is).

Just get good at time series and machine learning with a solid econ knowledge and you'll be set for most places.

Besides the STEM fields they are all useless shit and trades mog them. You will file away your brain working with females and it will mean depression etc even if you get paid well for a bit you will be much happier doing a trade.
T. Finance/psych double major turned tradie

>>16617456
Not everyone is incapable of working with others in an office.

God Tier: What you're really good at
Medium Tier: What your parents/teachers/peer group wanted you to do and you're not interested but competent at
Shit Tier: What you suck at, but you're doing it to appease Neo-Nazis online that you'll never encounter IRL

>>16617264
This is good advice

>>16616594
I don't see chinese ponzi token speculator on this list

>>16616594
Internet of things sir

>>16616594
I'm 27 y/o, have been a "software engineer" for 6 years, make $150k and don't do shit at this point. I have my own office where my desk is facing towards the door so nobody can see my screen. Spend almost all day reading manga, watching anime/youtube/etc, or shitposting on 4channel.org. Throughout the course of a typical day I probably do at most an hour of actual work.

I come from a poor Indiana family so no silver spoon, just put in enough work in school to get good grades. In the beginning straight out of college I had to prove myself, prove that I could take any problem thrown at me and write the code for it efficiently, so skills ARE needed to get to my point. Once you prove yourself, work on raising your "bus factor", make yourself so important to a particular piece of software/infrastructure that the company can't afford NOT to keep you and wouldn't dream of laying you off, and everyone at the company thinks you're some kind of computer god.

Meanwhile I know this won't last forever, I know the global macro cycle is close to its tipping point and a depression is coming. I've been living frugally and investing the extra ~$5k per month of disposable income into strategic stonks (don't fall for the index/ETF memes), precious metals, and crypto. Also saving up to make a down payment on a new real estate investment. Pretty much ready to retire anytime, but I'm a habitual overprepper so I have no problem continuing to wagekek while I wait for crypto to moon or hyperinflation to hit so PMs moon

>>16616594
>law meh
>aviation meh
>nuclear engineer only good tier

Shit list

idk shit about college but is aerospace really that good? i was under the impression it was just a mix and match of "real" engineering degrees

everything in the unbelievable tier is just a /sci/ dick measuring contest and they don't realise how soul sucking and boring their job is because they're actual autists (and they're proud of it)

god tier is simply just a cs+math double degree (or a cs degree with lots of math minors) no more no less

it's some of the most versatile skillset to have. You can
be as ambitious as you like or be as much of a wagecuck as you want with it

>>16616594
Anything that requires a professional license in the construction industry can be really based. Architects and engineers. You can start up your own company and just work for yourself. Competition is severely limited by the license requirement and governments require licensed professionals to be involved. I'm a company of one and clear 150k in a low cost area for about 15 hours a week. Over time as my client list expands income could double but I'm probably just going to start my own commercial projects.

>>16617704
every 'real' engineering degrees are really just specialised math and physics subsets

nothing wrong with it but they can be pretty fucking souless unless you're a legit autist who don't mind working on things in detail for a company for your entire lives knowing these specialised skills don't transfer well

>>16617704
Aerospace is a garbage, less marketable version of mech E

>>16617780
Mech E + EE is the best possible double degree combo you could get, math degree is worthless.

>>16617787
>architects
lmao dont get me started on them almost everyone are dumb as fucking shit and relies on red tape '''licensure" to save their jobs save for the few who are actually intelligent and could've been successful in other careers

the pay is ridiculously low for the effort because most of the effort are the result of inherent inefficiency within the workflow or indecisiveness of design director and you end up being an absolute cuck wasting your time over petty shit for little pay it's an absolute disaster and anyone with modicum of talent are better off making money elsewhere and hire architects to suck their dick once they made it

I'm doing English - Creative Writing... how bad is going to be for me? I'm really shit at math, and I love to write.

>Finance or accounting degree

imagine being on /biz/ and asking about these

LINK will automate the majority of jobs for these disciplines

>>16617846
you can make it in any career just be good enough

knowing math isn't necessarily impressive a lot of what people call 'smart' math guys are really just normal people who likes to solve puzzles it's not always an indication of fluid intelligence, integrity and wit

>>16617846
very bad fren. buy LINK.

>>16616594
>Physics which leads to Quantum Physics
>Not God Tier

I mean it terms of jobs availability yeah maybe. But in terms of human progress, Physics is top tier.

Also
>Unbelievable is above God tier

So much wrong with this fucking list.

>>16617812
>>16617821
every mech E i know ended up becoming an EE in practice anyways, mech E is pretty much useless.

>>16617812
this is bullshit, if you go to the right school for aerospace its an immediate hire to boeing, BAE or similar. Drone manufacturers don't look for mech E's anymore.

>>16617846
The arts need an asterisk next to them, unlike some of the other jobs in the bottom, if you're really good and know how to promote yourself you can make much more bank than any of the most illustrious engineers in the list who are just kings of wageslaves. Literally the only faster path to wealth in your lifetime is to be an entrepreneur. And with increasing technology, being independent is easier than ever.

JK Rowling went from some poor cunt to richer than the queen of England (debatabley) in one generation. Ask Dan the Electrical Engineer if he could ever do that... BUT on the other hand you have literally millions who make fast food wages, pick your poison.

>>16617902
I can relate.
>t. Chem doing controls eng

>>16617902
Those aerospace companies pay garbage for entry level engineers, know a few ppl

>>16617902
Not even remotely true

data scientist is the only right answer. don't be a faggot and go to a good school and get good grades. bag dank internship before senior year. work blue Chip for 3 years. transfer to other blue Chip for senior job title. work from home and make $250k/yr. another 3 yrs become director/VP. $350+. 5 weeks vaca. dont have to spend capital owning a faggot practice or law firm. no faggot residency or sucking off partners. can also apply your skills to work on the side for $300/hr. live in Phoenix Arizona in sick 2 bed place and have a boat and dirt bike. land cutie Asian stay at home gf who makes dank ramen and swallows.

>>16616635
>NLP crypto engineers
I subscribe to many of those too.

>>16617456
>construction is useless
maybe when automation comes but for now those skills are very important.

>>16616594
computer science is above math.

>>16617197
how exceptional? is 135 enough?

>>16616594
DEAD

New tier list

Skills tier
> Networking
> Programming
> Creation

Focus on learning something you enjoy, building something from start to completion, and network and you'll find opportunities. There's far too many people in every major that being in a major doesn't earn you brownie points.

I perform "software engineering" i.e. shitting out CRUD apps for clients for my employer. It's pretty easy in and of itself, the hard parts are forcing your coworkers to write quality code with some rigor, forcing your coworkers to use boring languages/frameworks the team knows well, and forcing your client to tell you exactly what they want in writing.

Once you've completed two or three projects you're on autopilot mode. Everything, while different, is essentially the same.

>>16620226

Bonus points if you can convince your peers to do a "traditional" server side rendered app and complete the work in half the time it'd take otherwise, while billing for the full duration of the project, and NEETing for the remainder.

>>16616594
Someone needs to make a new tier list

>Electrical engineering unbelievable
>Pure Math being anything above shit tier

>>16617469
>implying collectivized female groups can be dealt with without force
Yeah nah want to kill them then myself... I deal with a gf too but that is one. Imagine a 5:1 ratio or some shit in health care yeah nah some people aren't born psychopaths i get mentally drained asf trying to not offend them when i hear retarded shit all the time and have to stand my ground when i csnt even smack the shit out of them and they collectively try to put their shit on you because oh you're the guy. Also yes i had to meet with the boss for offending one of them every so often it gets fucking draining even if they will keep you on regardless. Etc

4chan has the dumbest people of any site on the internet.

>>16620578
Even dumber than reddit, twitter and Facebook?

>>16616594
I have a bioengineering degree and I've been unemployed for 3 years

>>16620600
kek
https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html

>>16617197
Not as hard as you make it out to be.
I frequently was near top of the class in my engineering courses. The hardest part is juggling a job at the same time as I cant stress the importance of studying.

>>16616594
>great tier
my degree
>shit tier
your degree

eat it you fucking nerds, 300k starting

where do I go if I own a chemical engineering firm?

>>16616851
Whoa all that edge.

>>16616594
The bonus for the unbelievable tier, god tier, and great tier is that you can become incredibly good at analyzing IPOs in your own field with a little work.

>>16620886
you engineer some chemical and you do it well and eventually sell your firm and adopt the NEET life.

I have a major in Business Economics and a minor in Computer Applications. Am i fucked?

>>16616851
t. chang

>>16617659
based. workiing on the bus factor now.

There should be something above unbelievable tier: Crypto NEET who made it

>>16616594
>STEM Cope.

>>16616594
Depends what your IQ is. If it's in the 110-120 range, sure, go for it. If it's above 130 then do math or physics because the actual intellectual work of finance/accounting at the college level is very dumbed down. better to do something more interesting and learn finance on the side.

>>16621712
>actual intellectual work of finance/accounting at the college level is very dumbed down

This pretty much. Compared to computer science and math the finance/economics classes were way easier. It was basically a meme to do econ/finance if you needed easy credits.

t. cs major

Aight nerds I need some assistance with planning out some of my education.

>Currently doing 2-year diploma (~assc. degree equivalent for burgers) for business admin with a major in management
>Have the opportunity to go to a top 6 undergrad school in my country directly after completing it for a Bachelor of Management (in different business majors) so long as my GPA remains above a certain point
>Also have the opportunity to use the diploma as a spring-board for certificates like AWS, IBM shit, Machine Learning, etc.

I'm not entirely sure what to do because my post-secondary marks are very good, but no school will really take me for a non-business stream at this point because I kinda fucked around in HS and didn't do well. What would my options be, or what should I consider as a stream? I'd rather spend the time to do academic upgrading and then go for more school if there's another way out.

Mathematics M.Sc here

First job 55k base 60k bonus (option trading)
Third job 80k base. 120 bonus.

Using zero of what ive learned in Uni. Literally googling, copy pasting and gambling . I like it, but now I am kind of stuck. Learned nothing in 8 years

>>16616594
>Computer Science and Computer Programming are two different things

>mechanical engineering degree
>couldn't find a job after graduation
>became an electrician
Anyone else know this feel?

>>16616594
>transportation in suicide and shit tier
you wanna know how I know you're nothing but a brainlet, reddit normie?