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100% truth, fuck truckers.

>>16537147

So there was no one in the driver seat?

Oh wait there was. That's what I thought

>>16537160

>truckers lose jobs
>gas stations/rest stops across the country begin shutting down due to less business
>gas station clerks lose jobs
>gas station/rest stop owners have to start closing
>fast food stops along major highways begin to lose business due to lack of truck drivers on the road
>fast food workers begin to lose jobs
>fast food restaurant owners begin closing up
>A lot less money in the hands of lower/middle class people
>department stores/supermarkets have less business now
>department stores/supermarkets workers start losing jobs

I don't think you understand what happens, when suddenly 100s of thousands of people are out of work. Inb4 yang bucks.

chainlink $1000, these automated trucks will use smart contracts

>>16537205

If this is what is needed to further antagonize the working class and accelerate the revolution I guess we have to let the cycle run its course

>>16537147
automation is coming and not just for blue collars
there are only two scenarios
-the biggest unemployment wave in human history
-a concerted effort of states/laws and economic actors to not use an existing convenient tech for societal reasons (good luck with that, it would also be a first in human history)

>>16537242
pretty sure truck drivers losing work is nothing compared to what the tractor did to agriculture when 96% of humanity used to work in that sector

>>16537205
>truck drivers are signle handedly supporting the gas station/fast food industry

retarded assed truck driver detected. guess you will have to find a real job that doesnt require the ability to stare out a fucking window for 10 hours a day.

>>16537176
Human drivers needing to be in the seat will still be a thing for decades.

Just like how trains/subways, which could've been fully automated 10 years ago, still have humans in them.

>>16537147

>>16537264
>trains/subways, which could've been fully automated 10 years ago,
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>16537205
Nigger the only thing losing business from trucker faggots to make an impact are going to be the meth dealers that sling at truck stops and gas stations.

>>16537301
Forgot to add the herpes ridden, 2/10 truck stop prostitutes.

>>16537264
This.
10 years for mass adoption of self driving trucks.
7-8 more years for getting rid of the driver.

>>16537308

Not going to happen

Software engineer masterrace strikes again, cucking the wagies by the millions while raking in millions. What a time to be alive

>>16537292
Ok foamer, I have little knowledge of the subject

To be fair, do you agree that it is much easier to fully automate trains than trucks? And that if trains are still not automated, then fully automated trucks are very far away?

>>16537368

Don't forget planes. Not even passenger planes, think cargo planes. Far less complex task with far less obstacles yet there is still and will still be a pilot in the cockpit

>>16537249
>not just for blue collars

>>16537292
bruh
paris subway line 14 has been driverless since conception, in 1997 (which is probably before your zoomer ass was born)
when everything is closed off except entry doors, it's not hard to automate the process

Celadon must have gotten word and realized bowing out now would be easier than dying slowly over the next 20 years. They've probably known for a while which is why they were okay with cooking the books.

>>16537147
fake news. the "self driving" trucks arent really self driving, they require automation. andrew yang is fear mongering for votes to people with boomer-tier understanding of driver assistance technology. there will not be any truly self driving trucks within our lifetimes. screencap this

t. trucker

p.s. i make 60k per annum to sit on my lazy ass in a truck and shitpost all day, and it's a regular 9-to-5 schedgey. stay mad NEETs

>>16537147
fake news clickbait. the "self driving" trucks arent really self driving, they require a human. andrew yang is fear mongering for votes to people with boomer-tier understanding of driver assistance technology. there will not be any truly self driving trucks within our lifetimes. screencap this

t. trucker

p.s. i make 60k per annum to sit on my lazy ass in a truck and shitpost all day, and it's a regular 9-to-5 schedgey. stay mad NEETs

>>16537147
Lovely peace trucks from certain religions will get to a whole other level. Interesting opportunities.

>>16537147
Hopefully pizza delivery bots won't be designed in America or they'll ask for a tip.

>>16537160
You're clearly a nigger or a basement dwelling faggot

>>16537205
Its amazing how /biz/ always gloats about people losing their jobs and how worthless poorfags are when their consumption is what drives the whole economy.

>>16537249
Yeah, but during the industrial revolution there were other jobs in industry to placate them. There are no emerging job markets to take in the new masses of unemployed that will be created by automation.

>>16537226
based accelerationist poster

>>16538906
soap is a business

>>16537147
Automation potentially displacing jobs wouldn't be a problem if currency and asset prices were allowed to deflate

>>16537275
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a30196644/self-driving-truck-cross-country/

>>16537147
Prostitutes on suicide watch as well

>>16538863
>t, redneck trucker about to lose his job

>>16538799
>self driving" trucks arent really self driving, they require a human
Only because of current regulations. Did you even read the article? The human driver didn't intervene once during the whole trip.

>>16538799

Cope

>>16537205
WIthin a few decades we'll be seeing the first cases of DRONE syndrome. Kojima really is a modern day Quasimodo.

>>16537205
Its gonna get lit. I can't wait.

>>16537205
>a bunch of flyover heroin pit highway towns filled with chains start dying off
who cares

>>16537205
>>16539418
Pretty much this, it doesn't contribute much to our economy to keep the small town alive.

What it will have a massive negative effect on is the nation's identity. This is going to start the push of everyone into cities, and once all of our populations are heavily concentrated specific identities will develop in the city clusters. These clusters won't get along and will eventually compete/fight heavily. Might not be a war but America as we know it will be dead.

>>16537160
Worked as a warehouse scumbag for years and I can also say fuck truckers.

>muh Murricans
>dey took our jobs

Do you even know how many of these motherfuckers don't speak english, don't even have licenses, and don't even have visas for this country? How the fuck it's legal for them to work here, let alone drive heavy machinery in our streets, is beyond me.

This is what we're replacing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTJzCcXxYZE

>>16537351
based

>>16537252
Lmao beat me to it. Also I guess automated vehicles dont run on gas? Maybe the high tech epic code boys found a way to code fuel into their trucks?

>>16537205
I'm sure China will just swoop in and fix everything like they did in Africa

Who will fuck diseased whores at the truckstop?

>>16537147
This will still require a trucker in the seat to maintain and service the truck. It’s less risk though for the company and he can just jerknoff all day in the cabin. And get paid $8hr to sit there.

>>16537242
kek. corporations are never gonna go for the society meme. the funny thing is they need us for profits. no jobs no money to pay them. if the government doesnt step in with ubi the corporations will. enter zuckbucks and new era of slavery

Imagine how easy it will be for a few people to stop an Amazon truck and loot it.

>>16539269
Not that guy, but you don't seem to be getting it, so let me lay it out for you. The primary reason they will never have truly driverless vehicles aside from one-off boondoggle projects like the Paris Line 14 for proof of concept age-of-the-future headlines, is because of liability. When something crashes, is stolen, blows up, kills someone, or is attacked by squatter hobbits, someone has to be responsible, and because of the hilariously unrefined nature of our law code and current hard limits on AI technology, there's no precedent for any machine on this planet being able to take responsibility - true responsibility - for an action or a decision.

As far as we're aware, machines can't even truly make a -decision- in the first place aside from how they're coded or the data that they've absorbed, and that makes liability really tricky. Theoretically, any problem could automatically be the fault of the company that owns the machine, but then it'd be a hard sell for employers who would be placing the future of their business interests (and possibly being sued for everything they own) in the hands of a hackable, trackable machine that can't be reasoned with or intimidated or persuaded into compliance like a person. Next thing you know, the machine goes off the reservation, runs over 15 people because destroy all humans, and you no longer have a truck, or a trucking company.

You could put all the fault on the business that made the machine, but then there's no incentive for the businesses to make the machine in the first place and you've basically shut down droid manufacturing before it starts by making them retroactively liable for every mistake those machines make in the future.

Basically, there always needs to be a person in there so that we have someone to blame, not so that the person can continue to be competant. Our system doesn't work when something breaks, everyone asks whose fault it is, and there isn't anybody there in the first place.

>>16539220
Im not american.

>>16539418
This place will survive. There is no rest stop for many many miles. Already has tesla superchargers.

>>16537147
Normally I'd be concerned, but truckers cause more accidents than any other fiends on the road.

>>16540103
>Blocks your path

>>16537147
courtney a qt

>>16537226

>>16540210
execute the software =)

>>16537301
Yeah, truck stops are the grossest things I've seen. Condemn them and return it to its natural landscape: boring flatlands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
not even a redpill at this point

>>16537205
Literally retarded.

>>16537292
"heh, im too smart to even waste my time explaining to a pleb, so i'll just call him dumb"

>>16537147
If you are not pursuing higher education you are setting yourself up for failure

>>16537226
its not a matter of IF but WHEN anymore it seems

>>16540210
>You could put all the fault on the business that made the machine, but then there's no incentive for the businesses to make the machine in the first place and you've basically shut down droid manufacturing before it starts by making them retroactively liable for every mistake those machines make in the future.

the incentive would be to make robots or programs that function with such lower accident rates finding the blame doesn't matter because the accident repair costs would be cut down to 2% of what they are now. If an accident does occur it will probably be much easier to determine blame, as its either on the robot manufacturer (robot broke/coding was bad), or on the owner (maintenance wasn't performed). I bet certain companies will have warranties as well.

The robot arm has been around since 1980 and has been worked on for the past 40 years. We're getting to the point were robots are so much better than humans its laughable.

>>16537241
kek

>>16540210
Lol no you blame the company. Its really that simple.

>>16537241
You have to go back

>>16537147
just use rail

>>16537301
Retarded city dwellers.

>>16537205
time to go out innawoods and build a sick lean-to

>>16540041
lmao just barter bro

>>16540210
>>16540838
I think the real problem is that right now when a truck runs someone over, a human being goes to prison. It's not a perfect system, but people are generally willing to accept that as justice. What happens when it's a truck driven entirely by a computer? Cash payouts. And over time those will shrink. Eventually you will have to sign a mandatory arbitration agreement with your google-owned DMV when you apply for a license that says you will automatically go into mediation if your loved ones are murdered by an AI truck.

People will fucking riot.

>>16541459
so basically injury law is fucking bulletproof.
brb prepping for lsat

>>16539485
>How the fuck it's legal for them to work here, let alone drive heavy machinery in our streets, is beyond me.
They vote Democrat.

>>16541459
Join this little whores and thank me later

https://imgur.com/eBhD3eL

>>16541459
>a human being goes to prison
rarely, especially if they're an illegal immigrant or have no license. most of the time the company gets sued for a ton of money.

>that says you will automatically go into mediation if your loved ones are murdered by an AI truck
and they will still be 1000x safer than when bob or pablo was driving. there won't be enough people still effected by road accidents to riot.

>>16540838
>a robot arm in a restricted environment
>a robot car traveling in an unrestricted environment
Ask me how I know your retarded

>>16541816
Restrict the environment then

People always seem to forget that even if a truck is self driving, a driver still needs to be behind the wheel incase of emergency.

>>16537252
>Yes, get a job that makes you stare at Windows 10 all day instead.

>>16537147

You talk about gas station and truckers and what about gov jobs and service jobs on offices?
If a decent AI comes out there will be a massive unemployment rate incoming.
And Countries with a social security system aka like Germany will get rekt (it started already in the car and machine industry)

>>16541816
only assholes consider a highway "unrestricted environment". there are fucking lines.

>>16538763
Nah dawg. Celadon was just corrupt and didn't maintain/upgrade their fleet to remain an attractive employer.

>>16540210
This is why you need Philosophy majors in charge

>>16542110
Reasonable estimates put at least 40% of jobs as easy targets for automation... it really won't be the same society after that. Hopefully we can move to a post scarcity type of setup where food, housing and transportation are largely free, but you can work an optional job for diamonds, whiskey and caviar.

>>16541827
>>16542124
>a cyclist teleports in front of you
>nothing personal kid

>>16537205
I am a naive optimist and I think it won't be this bad.

Yes these jobs will disappear in the end, but hopefully there will be a while to transition so this can happen gradually.

Like with any new technology it will be imperfect and expensive. Due to the cost it won't be immediately widespread enough to put lots of people out of work and due to imperfection, it will most likely still require some amount of human guidance and monitoring. Add to this that it will take laws 5-10 years to catch up to the technology, even if it is near-perfect.

The positive sides of automation are that it will ultimately bring down the costs of everything. Shipping something will eventually be a fraction of the price it currently is. As well as bringing down the costs of goods that everyone needs/wants, this will also help businesses grow and open up job opportunities in other places. This will ultimately create more wealth for everyone.

>>16540210
How is liability dealt with in places where software already steers things? I think it is with the company and I guess the company has insurance.

>>16537205
>A lot less money in the hands of lower/middle class people
This is where you're wrong. This is a drop in the ocean.

>>16543019
This is uncharted territory. For industrial robots people are usually not allowed anywhere near them when they’re operating and they need to be tagged out/deenergized before people can approach them. Letting automated cars out into the wild is a liability lawyer’s wet dream.

>>16537264
My uncle is trains. Hard job. God bless

>>16537264
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_train_systems

>>16537351
>he thinks software engineers are real engineers

>>16543734
Software engineer here, can confirm. I make over 140k and don't do shit LOL

got mine
get fucked
lmaooooo

>>16543778
how do i into?

>>16543786
if you need to ask, you don't

>>16537351
u cant spell engineers without nig ers

>>16541970
kek

>>16539137
> Reading boomer toilet paper

>>16539418
NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE AWAY MUH HEROIN!!!

>>16539472
Topkek America will desolve into Italian city states

>>16539590
Fuel could easily be automated faggot. How difficult is it to have a little robot cock coom fuel into your little truck slot??

>>16537205
It's really cool how these new automatic cars don't need any fuel. Fucking retard.

>>16537147
We should send this to the border help those poor people come over here.

>>16538863

Pussy.

Epstein was automated

>>16537275
Sauce means whatever you have on plate is utter shit

>>16544482
>How difficult is it to have a little robot cock coom fuel into your little truck slot??

>>16540411
Idk i drove from nj to tn to see the eclipse and there was a truckstop every fucking 30min on the way and theyre a little more loaded with restaurant choice and showers available compared to rest stops anywhere north and east of tristate

>>16544738
>all the trucks holes are white
>all the robot cocks are black

>>16540210
Putting someone in jail doesn't fix anything, a methed up Mexican doesn't become a better driver because of a threat of jail time.

The system of corrective liability is unchanged, and the solution is easy. Just slap on statutory minimum liabilities, and allow insurance companies to drive down risks by setting lower premiums for better or more conservative driver systems.

>>16542312
Is this low key link fud?

>>16537205
Can't wait for rednecks to lose more jobs. Next we need to automate the farming and manufacturing jobs. And while we're at it lets drop some more heroin in their communities. How's the political party of social darwinism working out for them?

>>16537368

trains are already automated in cities like Sydney

>>16537205
why should I care about these people

>>16537205
>truckers lose jobs
>less money to attend football games
>NFL goes out of business
>No more Madden video games
>Xbox can't sell consoles anymore

>>16537147

SHHHHHIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEET

Guess i'm voting for yang bang.

>snow covers lines on road
>sensors are blinded
>GPS thinks its fifty yards from where it actually is, as usual
OOF!

>implying no human is needed
The still have built in drive wheel and break paddles in them.
There will be law saying that a human would be required to be in it much like how everyone needs to own a car insurance before driving it, human will be that insurance.
If anything, it will make a life of a trucker even easier, probably playing your phone most of the time in the truck.

>>16544461
Waung eye do not rorry. Many herorin. Free shipping. Big quality

When you have 50% of world wealth you don't need more money, you need to make the world conditions such that it is very hard for other people to come out of nowhere and eclipse your wealth. There will never be another Larry / Sergey type Google story. The playing-field no longer exists. Crime, Regulation and cost of living has increased, so it is harder to start and run a new business

Automation is just another tool that is being used like other social reforms (immigration, crime, pension age) to achieve wealth suppression.

>>16541615
>there won't be enough people still effected by road accidents to riot.
And we got the winner!

>>16542447
Or they rich decide to wipe out 98% of humanity with automated killbots because they don't need the plebs anymore

Leaving only mountains and dessert habitable for der untermensch