/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16529178
so they don't want to go home

>>16529178
makes it a lot easier to overwork them and treat them like crap if they can be all like "lol look how pop-culture and pro-queer my office is!"

you don't think the employees are in control of setting the office culture do you anon?

Because software """engineers""" are childish losers that no-one respects.

>>16529189
This. It is unfortunate how everyone I know who is in software engineering or programming is a Marvel obsessed faggot

>>16529211
It even sucks more being a software engineer that doesn’t like that gay shit and then trying to find a job that’s not queer.

is software development a queer business? since when?

I love those companies
Whenever I'm changing jobs and come across one of those playground businesses I make them hope that I would work for them and the moment they have eliminated all other candidates, I tell em their company culture is too childish for me and I would prefer not to work for a Kindergarten

>>16529189
>>16529211
This. Giant bubble of normie faggots throwing out business buzzwords and praying the other 5 retards above them are clueless (they're boomers, so yes).

>>16529255
Since no one actually knows how to code, but anyone can pretend to like faggots and trannies...so they use queer shit for makework to look busy. Questioning anything in "muh diversity" is a literal hate/thought crime, just keep your head down and say you're working on gay day shit if someone asks you something you're supposed to know.

>>16529178
Because being a child is a submissive position, and bringing and reinforcing people into it is very profitable.

The fundamental idea of labor is to profit from the submission of another man to your will. Employee admits that he will make more money under your submission. As long as this condition is met, you can machinate ANY kind of plan to exploit his abilities, time, and fears.

>>16529268
based

>>16529230
We're a small group anon. And we're balso hated like some sort of lepers

>>16529178
I would unironically keep my waifu on my desk if I worked a place like this.

>>16529305
You reek of marxism

Holy fuck what a faggot

These are literally the shittiest toys that only a redditcuck would collect

>>16529401
>funko
>toy
pick one

This picture is literally of the company that makes those little dolls.

It's like if an office in a car company had little models of the cars they make.

>>16529430
does that make it any less queer?

>>16529440
Fuck off OP, you probably work there and are bumping this thread to sell your little plastic dolls

>>16529440
well, it would've been some gay toy for losers, but now it seems it's a display of the products of their business. so no, no difference at all, because the product of their business is gay toys for losers

It's because tech companies are starting to realized the cost of 3rd worlder retardation outweighs how cheap they are, and manchildren have absolutely 0 foresight making them the perfect wage slaves. Tech is probably the easiest business to start your own company, even if it has a high risk of failure. Manchildren, however, are perfectly content collecting children's toys, playing shitty games and being able to think they are the smartest people on earth without actually doing anything that requires much intelligence. Thus they will never attempt to break out of their wage slave cage, because they wouldn't be able to afford plastic toys and if they fail it'd be too hard on their fragile ego. Anyone who has any discipline is eventually going to do a startup and milk the endless manchildren hoards.

>>16529255
Yeah, if you are a coder in California or a major city, its full of colored hair onions coders

>>16529178
why is it that only soýmales collect these gay little kid toys. Is this a more queer version of beanie babies?

>>16529305
based and red pilled. You will gonna make it if you learn how to profit from it.

>>16529184
This basically. Also, a lot (but not all) people in IT are low T basedbois. Having some crappy marvel figure sitting in front of them is like heaven for them.

>>16529178
Peopke in tech are the biggest bugmen out there, literally only the top dogs like Jobs or Gates used to not be (even though they 100% understood how to take advantage from them).

>>16529211
this. i work in IT and i fucking hate this shit. my coworkers always look at me funny when i say that i don't care about marvel or the new star wars lmao

>>16529702
And most of them aren’t 4chan tier ”nerds” who at least sometimes have somewhat unique tastes, interests and personalities. These tech basedbois are carbon copies of each other and are all into the most predictable normie shit like Marvel, Rick and Morty and Nintendo Switch.

>>16529305
No that profit comes from the value the boss provides. The boss has the organizational skills to connect employees with customers with venture capital.

>>16529702
And most of them aren’t 4chan tier ”nerds” who at least sometimes have unique tastes, interests and personalities. These tech basedbois are carbon copies of each other and are into the most predictable normie shit like Marvel, Rick and Morty and Nintendo Switch.

>>16529230

Working with a tranny or two isn’t that bad if you get paid multiple 6 figures

Talented programmers and salesmen are the king of the wagies. They generate almost all the money for the company. They'll have a higher salary and be able to do whatever they way (stylistically) as long as they are productive.

>>16529189
This. As an actual engineer, i hate it when people think they re on the same level as me.

>>16529305
>Because being a child is a submissive position, and bringing and reinforcing people into it is very profitable.

>>16530031
Cringe

>>16529178

but dats a sign of retardation

>>16529483

yeah, this boils down to an imaginary elitism and being different from other down the street. just this

>>16530031

show us your level lmao

>>16530031
as an electrical engineer i dont care if they think that they are the same, the only thing i care is if they make more/have better future prospects, and in some companies this is the case

I work as a developer. You just have to tolerate this sort of shit for sake of office harmony. I go home and lift, read, grab beers with the boys, or have sex.

Helps being Backend/DevOps though, I like my metalhead coworkers a lot more than the front end guys.

>>16529268
based

>>16529361
>implying that's a bad thing

>>16529178
why is it so hard to get an IT/dev job. My resume gets phone interviews and then in-person interviews but I never get called back after. I do okay in the interview but maybe I just don't come off as someone that would fit into their culture? I'm tall, athletic and just not into anything nerdy outside going on image boards. Or are these interviews all just fake for appearances so they can hire cheap foreign labor?

>>16531414
Depends on the country, how likable you are, and how well your technical portions go.

>>16530031
I make 147k as dev in North Carolina. How am I below your level? I most likely make more money.

>>16531414
You sound like an arrogant prick, so maybe you indeed don't fit their work environment.

>>16530491
>grab beers with the boys
>or have sex
>with the boys

>>16530031
> This. As an actual engineer, i hate it when people think they re on the same level as me.

>>16531491

What's it to ya?

>>16530031
bezos gates and zuck would chuckle at this

>>16529178
I fucking hate pops or whatever. Whoever invented them is a fucking rich genius though.

Marvel is great, stop being contrarian you fags

>>16529178
funko is the type of figure faggots from reddit and California would collect.

>>16529178
you mad boomer?

>>16529178
Yes, childish things like getting paid a shit load more than everyone else and working from home. Only a child wants those things.

>>16529178
JUST

>>16532826
FUCK MY SHIT UP

>>16529356
But how can that be? It wasn't so just a couple of years ago. Is it a 2010s Silicon Valley culture that infected tech?

would i have to deal with these types if i go CCNA?

>>16532747
>>16529411

Can someone please explain the appeal of funko pops and how that shit became so popular?

They look like cereal box toys

>>16533711
normies and consumerism. What the fuck else do you need to know.

>>16529702
>Having some crappy marvel figure sitting in front of them is like heaven for them.
Good thing I am not like them, I only respect the DC universe.

>>16533711
>Can someone please explain how shit became so popular?

Human irrationality in making any purchases beyond utility.

they are really going hard with the diversity thing where I work, I think there are more faggots than NORMAL men nowadays

Everyone around me at FAANG is clearly going for FIRE, no shit like that in the office, no spending, all meals at work while wearing the cheapest shitty t-shirt and jeans. Only losers do shit like in OPs pic and they work in boomer tier companies.

>>16533711
Easy merchandise for any franchise you want merch for. I guess the baby proportions might appeal to women also.

>>16534001

>Working at an office where other people do FIRE

That's a real thing? How do you find a company like that? I'm an engineer and I'm obviously the only one in my office doing it. I ride my mountain bike to work while all my coworkers drive compensating pickups and eat at restaurants every day. I'm afraid to even talk about my nonspending habits with coworkers for fear that they would work out that my long-term career goal is "see ya." I'd love to work someplace where that shit is normal.

When asked about my unusual habits, I make up bullshit excuses like "Biking is better for the environment" and "I work so hard that I don't have an hour to go to Chipotle and back."

>>16529178
Go to /g/ and look into one of the threads of their setups or desktops. You'll see why

>>16532702
Go back to Plebbit you absolute man child

>>16530031
Lol, kid.

>>16534745
I FIRED about 2 years ago after frugally wagecucking for a decade. There was only 1 guy that I worked with that was definitely trying to FIRE in that decade. And he ended up dying in a accident (which led me to barista-FIRE). There definitely wasn't anyone really frugal around me at all. They were all the opposite, buying new cars every 2 years, living in mcmansions, and bitching about their wives running their credit cards.

>>16532702
this has to be bait

>>16534745
>I'm afraid to even talk about my nonspending habits with coworkers
>When asked about my unusual habits, I make up bullshit excuses like "Biking is better for the environment" and "I work so hard that I don't have an hour to go to Chipotle and back."
You are a gigantic pussy, holy shit.

>>16529268
Based

tfw you'll never have as comfy a job as my windows/unix server admin role
>wake up at 9:30 AM, smoke a fat joint while taking a shit, ten minute shower and 15 minute commute to work
>walk in at 10:15 AM, put my things down, slowly stroll to the cafe to get my free nitro cold brew that the office has on tap
>chat with the receptionist and other co-workers in the cafe area for a little bit, by the time I get back to my desk it's almost 10:45
>"check emails" for an hour, aka mark all as read and spend an hour listening to lofi beats with soundproof headphones while still enjoying my high
>woah, noon already! time for chow!
>leave office, take a slow leisurely stroll around the city for ~45 minutes, grabbing lunch on the way back.
>leave jacket on desk with multiple command prompts and other misc. exchange consoles all over my screens. they're literally filled with meaningless ipconfigs, pings, nslookups, etc. but to any dunce manager who looks at them they think I'm busy as hell
>proceed to "IT Room" in the back-corner of the office at the end of a long hallway nobody walks down. eat my comfy lunch while watching youtube videos.
>it's now about 1:45-2:00, time for some vidya. power-on my custom built machine that i made from the multitude of parts available for free in the IT room, start up my VPN on a private network segment so the infosec fags don't track what i'm doing, and play some pubg/halo/etc. for about an hour.
>3:00... better do some work.
>head back to my desk, respond to a few emails by redirecting all end-user questions to the help desk plebs and saying that it's a level-1 issue and they can follow-up with me if they can't resolve it, make conversation so remember me being there, and leave at 4:00.
Server admin is quite literally a meme of a job that I stumbled my way into. Once the servers are set up, everything is fucking automated. Work in the "financial sector" for 150k base and a comfy bonus that usually averages 20-40k based on the bottom line.

>>16535419

About this, yeah I am. They'll all tell me why it's impossible. I know some people are thick-skinned enough to shrug off naysayers, but when people tell me why I can't do something, it does bother me. For me, it's easier to just keep it secret and fit in best I can until I've satisfied the 4% rule.

>>16535581
Fucking wow

>>16535581
oh, and i get paid overtime so i lie on all my timesheets (which are approved by my 'direct manager' who works in an office half way across the country) saying i worked 8am-5pm so i skim about an extra 20 hours a month at $75/hr before taxes.

>>16535581
i maintain instrumentation for a semiconductor fab and this is almost identical to my schedule.

its pretty fucking sweet. you niggers shoulda gone to college.

>>16535581
You haven't mentioned sex or gf in that little routine you got

>>16529268
No you don’t. It’d be nice if you did, though.

>>16529742
Yup.

>>16529268
Based if true

>>16535627
>>16535581
fucking based.

>>16535651
Cant you get those jobs without a degree?

>>16535759
Probably not.

>>16535581
Also what city?

>>16529178
I found a bouncy ball in the parkade at work a couple of weeks ago and since then it’s been the best part of my time at work. Please help

>>16529178
We don't even get desks at my office. We have to reserve desks. Most people sit in the same seat though.

majority of the autists on this website would be better off in workplaces like in OP than the average cut-throat workplace where they'd be the first ones fired for being mediocre aspies.

prove me wrong.
you can't

>>16535774
Just looked it up on indeed there are alot popping up with GED required. What degree is that dont see it in the community college catalog?

>>16535813
okay first its all a front to keep autists happy if they had to let someone go they would just do it as well but with more "we want whats best for you too" Bullshit.

>>16529178
> be me. work in IT at a public library.
> I like learning so I use my time well (and have school work)
> boss gives me total freedom.
> boss comes into work whenever he wants, often after 12:00 PM.
> watches netflix with full volume through speakers
> sometimes takes vacations during the week and doesn't inform anyone.
> literally has no technical skills, just installs windows and google's problems

IT, especially for the public sector is definitely the NEET dream.

>>16535815
The I got in California is called AS, IT/Computer Networking. You could do it without a bachelor's though, but general ed. is unavoidable

>>16535815
> GED
>What degree is that dont see it in the community college catalog

No one here has the right to complain about office work, unless they've experienced the pure misery that is public accounting.

>>16535895
Greentext us fren. I envision a boring, gossipy cubicle farm interspersed with agonizing meetings about kpis and whatnot. Am I close?

>>16535921
Not too far off. We don't even get cubicles. We have to reserve desks. Utilization (billable hours divided by total hours worked) is all people care about. We keep getting encouraged to send our work to India (which always comes back shitty) in order to reduce costs. Most of the time we end up going over budget because we need to fix their mistakes. We have tight budgets but always get yelled at if we "eat hours." It's awful. I'm trying to leave but am afraid I don't have enough experience. I've been at my firm for 2.5 years.

>>16529178
Jesus Christ and I thought working with mouth breathing retards in the trades was bad....

>>16535982
My brother was a senior manager at KPMG he worked like 80 hr weeks

>>16529179
fpbp

>>16535813

Yeah no, this is not true.

>be me, 21 year old senior backend software engineer, 150k USD salary, working in startup similar to OPs pic in London, UK
>not engaged in HR "corporate culture" bullshit and not too keen on smalltalk with the manchildren at the office
>follow my father's footsteps (and his father's too) and show up to work every day in suit and tie (no, not a cheap shitty men's warehouse suit) because I respect my profession and believe looking well put-together is important
>get told by HR that manchildren in the office are starting to resent me because the way I look and speak gives off "aristocratic" and "elitist" vibes
>disregard this pre-emptive warning
>eventually get my own small team and deliver first project ahead of schedule with excellent quality
>tell team members who report to me that they can do whatever the fuck they want and come in whenever they want as long as the work gets done when it needs to be done
>refuse to micromanage my team and put time reports and shit in JIRA and other worktracking services
>start working from home regularly and showing up at the office at 12PM whenever I am at the office
>team produces new stuff constantly, productivity is highest in company, and all goes very well
>this goes on for months
>rest of company eventually gets supremely jealous at our working conditions that I put in place for my team
>king manchild in other team starts to block my pull requests and badmouths me to senior management claiming that my code is insecure and terrible
>get pulled into a meeting with HR and senior management putting me on an improvement plan
>constantly smiles when talking to the the engineering manager which pisses him off as I "wasn't taking the meeting seriously"
>engineering manager starts to think I'm outsourcing code to India because productivity was too high for the amount of time i was spending in the office
>gets let go the next week

And this is why I refuse to wageslave ever again.

>>16532702
Why not just animate the whole thing? Formatting it like a comic, and animating the last panel just looks stupid.
Shit opinion btw.

>>16536077
Its because most people dont have a clue about what SE is, so higher ups are at the whim of the king manchild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_9hYMVVv_Q

>>16536077
based if true

>>16536077
that's a very cool story anon

I would do that too. I hate open offices

>>16536117

It's not only a lack of insight into the responsibilities of a software engineer, but also I think the malalignment between company incentives and quality engineering. For reasons beyond this short post companies in particular software startups are focused primarily on short-term phony growth rather than sustainable value-generation in the long-term.

The corollary of the above is naturally the fact that modern companies focus a lot on appearances rather than real value creation, and people who don't mesh well with this kind of BS are eventually pushed out while toxic people who are masters of this game like King Manchild get promoted and is given more power.

>>16536119
>>16536121

Have more stories to share from my stint in the startup world if anyone is keen. I am truly sick and tired of wageslaving and startups in particular and if Silicon Valley was burned to the ground nothing of value would be lost.

>>16536194
>if anyone is keen
Sure.

The last one I worked for (hardware startup) had plenty of issues and I wrote them down to not repeat those mistakes (or at least mitigate them) when I do my own stuff.
But it boils down to:

* stupid opportunism from the leadership (jumping on every new trend, immediately forgetting about what was considered to be hot just yesterday), changing much of what's important every quarter;
* no guiding principles (see above), so no understanding of where one want to go or why or how;
* no desire to understand the wider industry, its problems, circumstances of doing business, best practice (and when to use them or deviate from them, but it's hard to break rules when one is not even interested in knowing those rules);
* very bad internal communication, that's the main killer next to the stupid opportunism: no or little updates, only selected information instead of providing the big/whole picture which would give engineers a better understanding of what's needed, no real feedback to the decision makers, top-down command structure based on hype and lack of understanding;
* pretty bad external communication: while the self-promotion / marketing was rather okay, the communication was dishonest and with potential or actual customers very incomplete and often based on neglect and outright hate for the customers' questions and wishes, both the sales and the customer service processes were accordingly bad and many (potential) customers moved on.

That all amounts to jumping from one hype to the next, using empty phrases, quickly recruiting people into important hype positions (to look good to potential investors) with power over knowledgeable employees, neglect of customers and engineers, pragmatic lies to sponsors and investors and the general public.

>>16535815
The “no degree” thing is a loophole to poach old salty talent. You straight up, hands down, full stop, need a legit engineering degree if you want to do my job and you aren’t one of those old timers who’ve been in the industry for 10+ years. You could maybe get a engineering technician job, but that’s actual work and absolutely not an engineers position.

>>16535581

Motherfucker.

>>16534745

Hey anon, you have to work in a company with lots of smart nerds that come from Russia, East Asia and eastern Europe. I'm not sure all branches are like that but where I work there's lots of them and they don't spend shit. Most don't own a car and cars are referred to as "cars" generalizing them to the point of transportation not a thing to feel "joy". It also helps that for these guys large salary and high savings rate will allow to GTFO back home rather quickly.

>>16529483
just because you can know and see something, doesnt make you smart.

>>16529483
just because you know and see something doesn't make you smart, some of these people have ptsd from having a bad childhood from domestic abuse with alcoholic parent, why wouldn't you want to live this way, its better than being a crackhead out on the streets.

>>16533740
its a big universe

>>16534001
>>16535188
Can you faggots talk English? What does FIRE mean
>inbr urban dictionary/google

>>16536194
All ears anon, MOAR
Sorry you had to deal with that btw. Move out of cali and youll find its not all bad

>>16531726
That's gay dude

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