/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16359926
oh absolutely

>>16359950
Yeah its a Europe wide issue but Italians are one of the countries saying no fucking way to a lot of it at least. They still aren't as cucked as Northern Europe yet.

If you like noisy retards, it's the best choice.

>>16360005
>American calls founders of Western culture retards

>>16360000
saying and doing are two very different things, especially in places like Italy

If they are so vocal against it as you say, then why have they voted the ONLY party that was actually doing something to stop it out of power?

Same thing goes for Germany - there probably isn't a German who isn't pissed off at Merkel for fucking their country up by importing millions of illiterate criminals, but that doesn't translate into not voting for her.

Europe is fucked, 20 years at the most before it all turns into Beirut of the late 80s

>>16360024
I'm not American you little faggot. Don't ask questions if you can't stand answers.
>>16360035
>Beirut of the late 80s
More fitting would be to call it the USA of the late 80s.

>>16360000
CHECKED

>>16359926
yes but use a credit card from honk kong or dubai
the moment you have a bank account in Europe you are fucked

>>16360070
I'd say more like late 60's early 70's, with the small difference that there won't be a defence force around capable or even willing to do something about the riots

>>16360035
The problem in Italy is the political system, they still have a meme parliamentary regime instead of a presidential one, that's why they are in governement crisis every 6 months.

>Europe is fucked, 20 years at the most before it all turns into Beirut of the late 80s
More like turning into the US in the late 10s kek

>>16360080
have you tried getting a bank account opened in either of those places recently?

>>16360080
guardia di finanza anon here, can you expand on that please

>>16360090
>turning Europe into US of sorts

maybe that's the goal all along. It won't work, it just won't,there are too many incongruencies (if that's even a word) and general incompatibility for that to ever happen, let alone function afterwards

>>16360103
says the son of a white woman and a blck man

>>16360135
nothing more intelligent to add, huh?

What's the deal with niggas? They're not even people

>>16360100
just KYS
you are wasting so much time going after the poors and the honest people
totally retarded cash limits (imagine explaining to an American that you cannot pay with cash something that costs 1000 euro)
totally retarded flagged bank transactions over 10k (which for me is very normal, while living abroad)
financial dictatorship
you can just KYS already
italy is a great country, just stop your stupid non sense and let people use their own money, legally earned, without all this stupid limits
I got Italian bank account frozen and coinbase account as well, basically Guardia di Finanza freezed all my assets, legally earned while living and working abroad, just because I sold a couple of BTC
now I have to waste several days, flight back to Italy where I'm not even living since 2014, appear in court, and defend myself against money laundering, FOR NO FUCKING REASONS
I could just have sent an email with all the transactions, but they are basically forcing me to go there physically
THIS IS FUCKING NON-SENSE
HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING YOU ARE DOING SUCH A SHITTY JOB?

>>16360159
they are used for fucking cumskins gf

>>16360094
I was living there
banks work very well and nobody gives a shit about what you do with your money, as long as they are legally earned
you can do transactions up to 50k with no questions asked, no frozen account, no stupid checks
European financial system is cucked, stay away
Eurozone is worse than URSS
European Union supporters are brainwashed slaves thinking it's perfectly normal to pay for niggers walfare while killing all the small local business

no.
prague.

But Italy is full of caustic Italian people. Why would you want to deal with Italian people on a day-to-day basis?

>>16360273
Italians are very warm and welcoming people, unless you try to profit from them
but lately the artificial "austerity driven" economical crisis are pushing them into an endless rat race where all the poors are starting to fight each other for survival reasons
it's very sad to watch

I’m here in Florence. Who cares about all this bullshit when the food is amazing.

>>16359926
fuck no
Went to rome this year. asylum seeking shithole
Ever heard the saying that italians are the pakis of europe?

>>16360329
every single european capital is an asylum seeking shithole btw
but why would you move to Italy and live in a city when you have paradises all around?

>>16360162
chill amico, we have those rules for a reason. if you got that money legally and paid your taxes you just not have to behace like some mafia nigger. this country has a chrinic tax evasung problem and I love my job catching fish if all sizes that think they can just "xut a deal". not under my watch furbone.

>>16360364
>chill amico
chill stocazzo when all your funds are locked since 2 years and a half ago
I'm self employed abroad and I have to waste at least one week (approx 2000 Euro of lost income) + flight ticket + car rental + fuel + I'm not sleeping well at night knowing my wife and my family is worried
I CAN JUST SEND A FUCKING EMAIL TO PROVE THE FUNDS ARE LEGIT
BUT NO, I HAVE TO WASTE MY CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS AND 2500 EURO FOR NO FUCKING REASON
can I get this expenses back?

>>16360405
you can get those expenses back if you win the legal appeal. maybe try being nicer with your qgent next time, they usually also just want it to be done the eqsy way and chill.

>>16360364
>I love my job catching fish if all sizes
De Benedetti is the real life proof all you are doing is useless
He is comfy in Switzerland with hundreds of millions stolen with Sorgenia crack, money borrowed from Monte Paschi, the same bank that was bailed out with IMU on the first house, paid by Italian citizens

Multinationals are now opening holdings abroad or legal offices in Luxemburg and Netherlands and basically do very obvious profit shifting, doing trillions of damage to EU economies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ha_vhSJD0

So don't think you are a super hero, you are just fighting the poors and the honests

>>16360000
>italy
>not cucked
LMAO obvious larp, italians are the worst to work with, they are messy bullshitting assholes, and their country is almost bankrupt, italy might be the new greece

>>16360453
I know the big fish lay their own game, I hear this all the time and yeah it is true. more important for us is probably to maintain a certain cultural standard at which not 90% of people cut vat tax and the like. I know people hate that, but it is needed or italy will go down to greece tier

>>16360273
I agree, they are actually hilariously rude in terms of service. I kind of accept it.

>>16360457
I said hang out there as in leisure not work in a fucking pizzeria you stupid cunt.

>>16360364
>this country has a chrinic tax evasung problem
it also has
well
>200 thousand small businesses closed in 10 years
>money elusion (legal for multinationals) accounts for 94% of the missed tax revenues, cash evasion from the poors only 6%
>highest cumulative fiscal pressure in Europe
well I have bad news for you
maybe you should adjust your priorities a bit
if you keep waterboarding regular citizens, don't expect tax evasion to decrease
now you also want to introduce tax on cash
totally non sense
big fishes are not evading with cash but complex financial schemes
don't be surprised if tax evasion will stay high WHEN TOTAL FISCAL PRESSURE INCREASES EVERY YEAR AND BUREAUCRACY TO OPEN A SMALL BUSINESS IS CRAZY

But don't worry, when all the businesses in italy will be closed, you will finally have zero tax evasion

>>16360500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36kShgZ0SE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBFdQmP6Eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCseUq8c5VQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjXYqcOZQ6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOHB5g5b2I
how do you feel knowing these are the people you are going after?

>>16360457
>their country is almost bankrupt
2 trillions economy
25 years of primary surplus
the only problem is the public debt (which is basically private wealth) being denominated to a foreign currency (Euro)
the moment you cannot give warranties on the debt because the debt was converted from sovereign to foreign currency, speculation begins
THE PROBLEM IS EURO, NOT ITALY
Does Japan have any problem with public debt at 225%? HELL NO
FUCKING BRAINWASHED EU RETARD

>>16360453
Free trade was a mistake.

>>16360617
Indeed
If Trump wins again I may move in US
he is be a subzero-culture conman but he knows how economy works
After experiencing Guardia Di Finanza bullshits, I’m pretty sure dealing with IRS will be easy peasy

>>16359950
is that an italian chain gang? must be from the north, they are much too white to be real italians

>>16359926
you have never heard of swiss didnt you

>>16360700
wtf does cheese have to do with this thread

>>16360700
>restaurants close at 9
>you are just having a walk at 10pm to get some fresh air and police ask you if you lost your way
>cold and depression kicks in
retiring in Sicily without having a bank account in Europe it's still the plan
A 50cc scooter and 200 euro for renting is all you need

>>16359926
No, Austria is better. Or Denmark.
Or if you are more daring and want to stretch you dollar, Danzig, or Warsaw, or Prague.
Of course it depends on how willing and able you are learning the language.
If you've truly made it and are worth at least 30m, go to switzerland.

>>16360671
>he knows how economy works
>a man who's bankrupted several businesses, self-deals gives kickbacks all the time, practices persistent nepotism, hasn't had his investments done better than the stock market in the same time

ladies and gentlemen, the american education system at work.

>>16360757
>hasn't had his investments done better than the stock market in the same time
stock market is perma-pumped by "injections of liquidity" by central banks otherwise pension funds and private banking system will collapse in a couple of days
real economy is not

>>16360757
but that is EXACTLY how the economy works

>>16360024
>founders of Western culture

He wasn't talking about Greece tho

>>16360162
based.

>>16360364
fuck gdf, steal to the poor to enrich the politician. Fuck you

Lol Europe is fucked. The west is fucked. If you /makeit/ you better use that money to secure yourself a life somewhere safe away from all the shitthatsaboutohitthefan.

all italians are niggers

>>16359926
>in Europe
Either go to Eastern europe (not including Russia/Ukraine/Belarus) or fuck off from gayrope as a whole

Let's be real: south and north Italy should not be united.

>>16359926
Switzerland is the patrician choice anon

>>16359926
god I wish more than anything in the world that I had a cute Italian gf

>>16360100
Muori frocio

>>16360364
if youre legit can you help me?

started making some money online getting paid in paypal but no idea how to make tyhis legal

please help man

Id appreciate it alot

>>16361319
well at least they can learn something about real economy on a retarded frog board
KEK
imagine being a financial janny that works with a government salary to annoy the citizens with some random financials non-sense
I saw in front of my eyes Guardia di Finanza raiding a bar, a fucking bar serving coffee and croissants, at 8 FUCKING AM
while the poor single owner/barman/waiter was trying to serve breakfast to all the people present
A TOTALLY NON SENSE RAID, HE ALWAYS PAID ALL TAXES, AND HE IS EVEN STRUGGLING PAYING RENT/BILLS, A FUCKING POOR GUY

WHAT FUCKING KIND OF TAX EVASION DO YOU EXPECT THERE?
HOW MENTALLY RETARDED YOU NEED TO BE TO RAID A BAR AT 8 AM?
AREN'T YOU ASHAME?
YOU KNOWS THAT ITALIANS ARE LITERALLY RUNNING AWAY FROM ITALY AND OPENING IN FUCKING ALBANIA JUST TO ESCAPE THIS NON-SENSE?
WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN READ THE FUCKING STATS

FUCK JANNIES

>>16361442
>paypal
paypal? why you hate yourself?
BTC is the only way to escape all of this
BTC can be volatile, risky, manipulated, all you want
But BTC gives you financial sovereignty
that's all it matters
fuck banks, can't you see german banks struggling with defaulted loans? they are pushing MES (basically debt restructuring) to milk italy like they did in greece
with the help of the democratic party funded by this guy in the pic
>>16360453

don't use banks, don't use paypal or similar bullshits, the perfect tool already exists
BTC

>>16361475
>they are pushing MES
and as a compensation for milking italy they will give the possibility to do some debt (always in a foreign currency, euro) just to be in a coma state where they can milk you more and in a passive way
euro is a jail in which lions eats bunnies, nothing more
ECB IS THE WORST CENTRAL BANK IN THE WORLD
EU COMMISSION IS PURE MAFIA, JUST LOOK AT WHAT JUNKER DID IN LUXLEAKS, AND INSTEAD OF BEING JAILED, HE BECOME THE FUCKING PERMA-DRUNK PRESIDENT

>>16359950
Almost all the refugees look the same as the Italians in front

>>16361186
My brother has one, not that different from other European girls