/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16343447
777k stack here, what kind of money am I looking at in 2020/2021?

10k is the suicide stack though

>>16343477
If you can’t fork over 1k for a suicide stack you weren’t gonna make it anyways

>>16343515
This, 100k is a suicide stack, don't let the pajeets in the telegram try and convince you otherwise

>>16343477
10k and you will suicide from the fact that you didn’t buy more

>>16343447
Post the CEO. Does he have meme potential, like Sergey?

>>16343515
>>16343581
It's equivalent in value to Link suicide stack though during lows lol

>>16343652
FTM has 5x the circulating supply

>>16343652
Your right! 10000 btc suicide stack!! Thx just bought 100k

>>16343652
what do you really expect to get out of a 10k stack?
At NEO's all time high marketcap 1 FTM would be $5, do you really think a suicide stack is only $50k during a bull run?

>>16343447
Scam

>>16343604
>he doesn’t know

>>16343774
This is going way higher than antshares lol

>>16343878
I'm getting exit scam vibes

>>16343878
This

How do I buy this without binance?

>>16344329
Kucoin

>>16344240
I'm getting low IQ vibes from your post

>>16343447
FTM is the same price it was last month even after all this dump. It really appears to have reached the bottom.

>>16343447
To get a 500k stack you'd have to pay over 5k usd. That's a huge risk for a low marketcap.

>>16344540
Stay poor pussy

>>16343447
Epic chink scam. Sorry 100 000 tps was a giant lie. Sorry dubai was a lie, but we do maybe have some deal with AFRICAN banks, eh? You can't get more scammy than FTM's ching chong ding dong, me rich your poor, tokenomics:

Distribution. The 3.175 billion FTM will be distributed as follows:
40% token sale
30% market development
15% advisors and contributors
15% FANTOM team and founders

https://www.finder.com/how-to-buy-fantom

The fact that people in here have 10k / $110 usd stacks is turning me off this coin

>>16344978
You've posted this fud a dozen times and each time someone proves you wrong

>>16345052
No, they never did. They only gave me your stupid line, - old fud. What kind of stupid answer is that?

>>16345052
You have been chinked and scammed, how is that so hard to understand?

People actually think they're gonna make it from a $1k investment post 2018 retail crash.

This is your brain on peak delusion.

Got up to 15 million today finally from cash reserves

>>16345052
It's obviously the dag schizo

>>16344540
Even Antshares you would need at least 5K to make it, unless "making it"for you is just a few hundred thousands US dollars...

>>16343774
Forget that chink scam NEO

FANTOM will reach XRP levels

>>16344540
To make it with BTC you would need at least US$ 100K. That's a bigger risk than 5K in FTM IMO.

>>16345110

No. But I would expect a profit. I'm not expecting to become rich, but I don't feel it's unrealistic to have a few thousand or ten thousand profit if the conditions are right.

>>16344240
How the fuck would they exit scam? This ain't link, kid

>>16345469
Lol exit scamming without tokens

>>16343477
t. captain moonboy

>>16345469
>he thinks hes smarter than ari juels and klauss schwab
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>16343447
>I hope you are accumulating.
oh you better believe i bought this dip. did most of my buying at ~0.0140

>>16345615
You don't have to be smart -- just early.

>>16345615

did they said something about fantom?

>>16343447
I have loaded up.
Thank you to all you pussies who sold in the 130s

>>16345935
it hurts to even think about the mental state of people who are selling this now. it's like, why did they even buy in the first place? the big pump is so obviously looming

>>16345935
This

>>16346044
This

>>16345270
I am not in DAG but only BTC 1/3, ETH 1/3 and Link 1/3. You FMT morons are so idiotic..

>>16346394
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>>16346414
With ETH 2.0 your shitcoin will be worthless. Even if your chinkscam managed to get the same tech, which they won't - only gullible morons that can't wait to get scammed believe that, there is no way in hell your chinks can match Enterprise Ethereum Alliance. Stay poor with your gook shitcoin,

>>16346464
There won’t be an Eth 2.0.

>>16346464
>With horse-and-buggy 2.0, your gasoline engine will be useless
this is how dumb you actually sound

like holo, nkn, one, etc., even if fantom succeeds in deploying its magical technology to production, nobody will give a shit for a long, long time. this is what is meant when people say it is yet another eth killer shitcoin.

>>16346482
How much crack did you have to smoke to see into the future? So the crypto with the most and best devs in the world will not be able to transit to Eth 2.0? But your gook shitcoin that you got scammed with can? Clearly the market thinks otherwise, plus the international business community.

>>16346505
here >>16346516

>>16346516
Have you ever written a program in your life?

>>16346516
He's saying that it isn't going to come out because the team behind eth is incompetent

>>16346537
No. I’m saying it’s not going to come out because it’s just not worth the risk.

Eth is playin a very important roll rn in crypto as a safe backdrop for projects. Why take the risk with a newer solution when you can just allow other projects to do that?

Nothing is perfect. There will always be tradeoffs in different solutions and the risks of different bugs. Eth’s roll as a safe proof of work backdrop for other projects is vital to the space.

let projects like harmony and fantom risk new scaling solutions, and let people using smart contracts decide how much risk vs scalability they want with different chain

>>16346529
>>16346537
Idiots. You deserve to lose your money. Only morons don't have a heavy stack of ETH,

>>16346516
most and best devs in the world doesn't matter when only one or two guys are actually doing any work. FTM is going to make eth obsolete. it's downward compatible with eth but faster TPS and industry-leading aBFT consensus

>>16346616
>t. Increasingly nervous backholer

Yes just buy a token that vitalik can unilaterally inflate at will, I’m sure everything will be fine

Tomorrow begins the pump!

>>16346592
if they didn't advertise that they'd be moving to PoS for the last 4 years then i'd agree that there's no good reason to change the protocol

>>16346689
i'm gonna buy TWO lambos

>>16346689
Shills said December so make your mind retard

>>16346616
nigga that shit already mooned and is still a 16b marketcap

FTM is 18 million!

>>16346689
Source: your ass

>>16346516
This is a matter of trust. If instead of promises we had facts, the value of ftm would be closer to eth.

We are about to see the first promises turning into reality. Let’s see what happens next.

In crypto, you have to analyze reward/risk rate. If you bet for eth, you bet for something with less risk and less possibilities of making good profits. With ftm you have more risk, but higher chances of huge profits.

Ftm seems legit. If they manage to deliver all they promised, ftm will move very likely to top 10 in cmc in few months.

>>16347815
high test big dick zero-risk-aversion gigachad here and i am ALL IN FANTOM. dumped my net worth into it. YOLO

>>16347912
Based and same.

>>16347922
Just bought another 3000 fantomians I'm at 57k

>>16347912
>4
u got ballz of steel. I have 1mm and I'm nervous until something good happens

>>16347912
u got ballz of steel. I have 1mm and I'm nervous until something good happens

>>16348025
there's nothing else in the space worth getting excited over and its all so tiresome so i threw a hail mary. fuckit

>>16343447
Where do I even buy Fantom

>>16348055
Google

>>16348055
kucoin

>>16348050
That's how you do it anon.. this thing has meme power+tech potential.. we'll see

I had a buddy who goes to mit look at the code. He said it's the worse hes ever seen. He says it's mainly fake padding code and has been cut and pasted from unrelated software like windows and old pc games.

>>16348100
>worse
>worst?
Clearly MIT dude isn't that bright since he's around you

>>16348100
That’s funny because I went to caltech and I looked through the code and I think it’s legit

>>16348132
The papers they wrote are bad but the code is legit

Not larping btw unlike you

>>16348100
Kek good one

>>16346464
Monoliths move slowly fren

Whereas Fantom are changing the game right now. Whether they can gain traction remains to be seen.

But barely any bagholders are in profit in FTM right now it's a tiny marketcap. ETH on the other hand is still recovering from a mega moon mission and could be for years.

>>16347912
Same brah I'm 19 and have 50% of my netwprth in ftm

>when FANTOM launches its mainnet in the future, these ERC20 tokens will need to be swapped for FANTOM’s native tokens. In order to be allocated the equivalent amount of FTM coins, you’ll need to lock in your ERC-20 tokens to the FANTOM platform.

What did they mean by this

>>16348257
It means to use the network you’ll have to move your tokens from being erc20 to the fantom network itself retard

>>16348257
token swap for mainnet... standard procedure

>>16348264
thanks asshole

>>16348267
welcome to /biz

>>16348272
based retard

Is this seed group legit? http://www.the-private-office.com/fantom-foundation-to-start-its-operation-in-the-uae-following-a-partnership-with-the-private-office-of-sheikh-saeed-bin-ahmed-al-maktoum/

There won't be a token swap now. There will be bridges between cosmos, eth, bnb and native FTM tokens. And also bridges between different token mainnets.

>>16348370
>token mainnets

I meant to say fantom mainnets

>>16348267
You’re new here aren’t you

>>16347413
>FTM is 18 million!
And will never be used for so to go to zero. Enjoy

>>16348411
We have banks. Fantoms first application is in banks.


So go fuck yourself

>>16345270
Same sperg that fudded dag and vidt lmao

>>16348455
African banks with black monkeys, maybe. How the hell is that a selling point? Compare that to this: https://entethalliance.org/members/

>>16348604
South African banks as well as banks in Asia, the Middle East and possibly Europe

It doesn't matter what banks. It matters the amount of assets issued on chain for my bags to increase in value

>>16348604
Ethereum is 1000x the market cap you fucking brainlet

>>16348662
Sure, show the contracts. And all this with lying about mainnet, 100 000 tps etc.

>>16348715
You invested a ton in Ask Jeeves, right, while rambling on about how "expensive" Google was when they went public, right?

>>16348720
You’re comparing the fundamentals of a coin with 1000x the market cap of fantom...to fantom

And the fucking HILARIOUS thing about that...is that fantom actually has more real world adoption imminent than ethereum.

What if...it’s the reverse. What if all those companies working on eth are finally starting to realize it will never scale, and we’re at a wiley coyote moment in the market cap? Eth has a lot of room to fall...fantom has none

Really makes you think...

>>16348604
Once our network is fully armed and operational you will witness the end of your pitiful little alliance, one by one they will all turn to the dark side.

>>16348728
Eth has already been through a huge hype cycle. Google at its IPO had no hype cycle...

This is a completely different analogy. You are going to get massively outperformed. I’m sorry, just make sure you save enough Eth for some rope for a quick way out

will we be able to hold the erc-20 tokens instead of the native tokens? I doubt ledger will have ftm support anytime soon

>>16348781
It has right now

>>16348830
you mean the MEW thing?

>>16348843
You can send ftm to ledger directly, just open eth app, done! You have then a ftm account

>>16348874
I'm not fallin for it, buddy

>>16348898
Just go to “add token“ and see for yourself buddy. I am an honest buddy

>>16348898
He’s saying it’s an erc20 token retard, which is true

>>16343447
Just buy the FRM dip if you think we are ever going into a bull market again. It's the difference between life changing money some some shecks anons.

>>16348923
I am not saying he is a retard. This support is quite new

>>16348947
FRM is a meme coin. FTM is the real deal. i seriously hope people arent falling for this meme that it's the "same thing only smaller MC"

The nice thing about FTM is that it doesn't have huge walls of bagholders to push through if it ever pumps.
Altcoins that are down >95% from ATH will have tons of sell pressure from people just wanting to cash out somewhat close to where they initially bought.
Yeah, FTM is down -75% from ICO, but it won't take all that much demand to get it into a region where everyone who ever bought is in the plus (>4 cents).
Thats going to be the only major bagholder sell pressure and if we break that FTM can pump to the stars.

>>16348874
isnt there an erc-20 version and also a Bincne chain version? I think my exchange has binance ones so im just leaving them on there for now

>>16350836
You can convert it to ERC20 and store it in an ETH wallet

>>16349870
yeah, i bet there are a shitload of sell orders set for $1 but i don't believe for a second that it will stop.there and not go higher. even if this isnt the "eth killer" (which frankly it is) the banking stable coin is gold
>>16350836
yes there's an erc/bep bridge. google

>>16350916
acyclicpilled

>>16350763
its people like you that make "chink spy shit" have weight

>>16348743
>has more real world adoption imminent than ethereum.
Are you nuts? You idiots don't even have an operational mainnet. You 100 000 tps was a lie from your devs. Your parnterships were lies and scams. Ethereum will be the only large and global blockchain for smart contacts and dapps. There is no way in hell chinkscam can compete. Your tokenomics is that of a total scam and chink coin:

Distribution. The 3.175 billion FTM will be distributed as follows:
40% token sale
30% market development
15% advisors and contributors
15% FANTOM team and founders

https://www.finder.com/how-to-buy-fantom

You must be insane to believe that your fake African banks will cooperate with your fake mainnet that may or may no come out after tons of missed deadlines, delays, strange comments etc. Compare that to this:
https://entethalliance.org/

>>16350950
lmao they added the team tokens to the staking rewards and confirmed it like 6 months ago and you still copypasta'ing this dumb shit retard

>>16348753
>This is a completely different analogy
Did you learn business from cartoons? Both Google and ETH are in winner-take-all markets. The larger you get the more of an exponential comparative advantage you will get. Your ramble on about hype cycles and IP shows that you have ZERO understanding of crypto market as well as no basic understanding of economics. Your chick scam will crash with zero adoption and be worthless. They should have had a huge office in SanFran and get connections, if they really wanted to have a chance, but they don't, because they know their tech is gook shit, tokenomics chink scam and that they can't compete with ETH 2.0. You have nothing but hype and pushing your chink scam project.

>>16350971
No, they proposed. Why did they not burn tokens as one normally do? They have 30% to market development, i.e. themselves to do whatever the hell they want, plus 30% to themselves and their friends, total 60% chinkscam and now some proposal stuff of maybe take 15% of their tokens to staking, wile avoiding burning the tokens, or take tokens from utterly bloated 30% market development to pay for staking. Your FTM shit screams chink scam.

>>16350993
You don't know anything, I have insider information. KYS retard fudder

>>16350993
Its more unnerving when the founders don't hold any. If a founder is too afraid to be invested in their own project they won't care about its success.

>>16350950
stop C&Ping this weak oldass fud. you know damn well the team gave up their tokens because you homos use that as a fud also ("what motivates them to work?? hurrrrrrr")

>>16351046
>>16351033
FUCKEN LEL THERE IT IS! i should've read before posting. if the team has tokens its an exit scam, if they dont then they have no faith in their project. we just cant win with you guys huh? no matter what FTM devs do it's wrong. stay extra poor ETH-maximalist retards. i'm not buying your over-valued bags

>>16351023
>You don't know anything, I have insider information
Great response. Couldn't be more clear chink scam than this.

>>16350993
You are truly a retard

Every day the same shit

There was a token release schedule for the team where new tokens would be minted from the smart contract. This has stopped. And now this allocation goes to the community through rewards. You can't burn tokens that haven't been created yet

>>16351033
>Its more unnerving when the founders don't hold any.
Who do you think are controlling 30% for "market development"? Vitalik sold most of his ETH at 7 USD. Why? Because he is not a chink scammer. He believes in crypto being a substitute for Rothschilds scam and central banking scamming people through insane monetary expansion, banking costs, fees etc. You only have a bunch of gooks that are only in it for the money, short term, i.e. scamming.

>>16351046
>>16351069
Again, why did they not burn their tokens as all other projects. Why this weird proposal, AFTER they lied about mainnet soon, 100 000 tps, banking agreements, Dubay smart city blah, blah. Why the hell have 30% of total supply for "marketing"? How the hell is that for a global coin? 30%, can't you idiots see the obvious?

>>16351077
>You can't burn tokens that haven't been created yet
Yes you can, before the mainnet is released.

>>16351112
Fuck me

Do you have problems understanding things normally?

>>16351117
Problem is its b2b and if you use sc logic shit is slower than bitcoin lmfao
So they pivoted from smartcontract dag and smartcitys bullshit to mainets for banks really fast if you noticed.
Thats the thing everything is realtive so first red flag for for everyone should be
>comparison chart and no working product

>>16351074
Not going to waste my time on someone clearly trying to run a smear campaign. Fucking idiot.

>>16351098
>can't you idiots see the obvious?
>19 posts by this ID
oh i can see what's obvious alright. you bought the top of ETH and now you're deperate to dump your bags on me. go fuck yourself

>>16351140
alright finally you chinks are making decent memes for this shitcoin, now we have a shot

>>16343447

To put it nicely, extremely disappointing.
I've been holding this since the private sale hoping for a massive return, which doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon, if at all.

>>16351131
>>16351140
>Not going to waste my time on someone clearly trying to run a smear campaign. Fucking idiot.
>oh i can see what's obvious alright. you bought the top of ETH and now you're deperate to dump your bags on me. go fuck yourself
These stupid comments from the idiotic and delusional FTM community are big giant red flags for investors. You are emotionally invested and too stupid to see an obvious chink scam staring at you from their insane gook scam tokenomics and endless broken promises and pure hype.

>>16351131
>>16351140
Give me ONE good reason for a supposed global leader with cutting edge tech would chose AFRICAN banks to supposedly cooperate with? How does that make ANY sense for you Fantom idiots? You have been chinked and scammed, deal with it.

Literally do your own research, don't let pakistani sub 70 IQ dumbfucks give you a false narrative.

https://github.com/xar-network/xar-network/commits/master
https://github.com/andrecronje
https://github.com/Fantom-foundation

>>16351239
Sure, the reason why the team lied about 100 000 tps, mainnet, clear chink scam tokenomics with 60% of tokens to founders and friends (incl 30% of total supply to "marketing"), why they have no big SanFran office to establish contacts and agreements with the global business world, but rather prefer AFRICAN bansk, can be found on github? Are you crazy? Are these answers found in coding? Are you completely nuts or just one desperate bag holder from team epic chink scam?

>>16351170
>>16351215
DR;NS. ETH hoes are mad af. der ewige bäghölder - behind every fud!

>>16351127
who is exactly is making pivots now? lol come on stop, you are embarrassing yourself now.

>>16351271
>>16351278
>unable to answer even the most obvious chink scam questions. Thinks AFRICA is the perfect place to start cutting edge tech banking operations, nothing fishy there

>>16351261
you sound like a SEETHING autistic fat fuck
I'm genuinely entertained, all the stuff you use as fud is total bullshit that can be verified in about 5-10 minutes kek. Keep going though, more time to accumulate.

https://github.com/xar-network/xar-network/commits?author=antonnell

>>16351291
russian, australians and south africans - chink scam

putting fantom tech in banks and central banks in emerging markets - fud

enjoy your internet trolling

>>16351293
You are so stupid that you think you can present some random white paper page to investors as some weird "answer" to an obvious chink scam, hoping that investors will be so impressed by mediocre white paper jargon that they will ignore the obvious. How stupid are you, newfag?

>>16351291
>24 fuds by this ID
i'm sure you're doing this out of heartfelt concern for our financial wellbeing right? do you even realize how bullish this is???

i expect fud from other low cap shitcoins in a FTM thread but now ETH bagholders consider us a threat? you are obviously worried that FTM is DA ETH KILLAH! i'm starting to think my fantom bag isnt heavy enough

>>16343447
Why you’d buy this instead of FRM is beyond any reason.

>>16351312
Vitalik have had personal meetings with Putin, discussing ETH and the future of blockchain, including banking.
https://www.coindesk.com/vladimir-putin-vitalik-buterin-discuss-ethereum-opportunities-recent-forum

So you are saying that epic chink scam are cooperating with Russian banks? Really? Show me your documentation.

Overview
The XAR Network is a global operating platform with a cutting edge protocol layer that provides the foundation for a new generation of deterministic systems that everyone can trust. Designed specifically to comply with global monetary policies and compliance regulations, it acts as a transparent bridge between deterministic applications and existing monetary systems.

Website http://xar.network
Industry
Financial Services

>>16351329
i think he is a retard

lacks basic reading and comprehension skills

>>16351329
>>16351356
I am tired of having you newfag losers spam and shit up the board with your obvious chink scam. If you had only one thread per day with your bitconnect 2.0 scheme, I wouldn't care. Anyone falling for this obvious chink scam, easily seen in the insane tokenomics, 60% of total supply to founders and friends, including 30% of global supply to "marketing", deserves to lose all their money.

>>16351325
kek whatever you think buddy, you're a schizo

>>16351364
LMFAO see

lacks basic understanding of tokenomicsc even still

>>16351352
"Instead it uses an innovative approach called directed acyclic graph (DAG)"

Innovative? Are we in early 2017? Who wrote this shit? What's wrong with you summer fags?

>>16351370
You are spamming pages randomly, as some kind of weird and mental answer, just as you nuts are spamming biz with your OBVIOUS chink scam.

>>16351371
>lacks basic understanding of tokenomicsc even still
Explain 30% of global supply to "marketing"
Explain why the founders tokens were not burned, like every other team has done to make sure they are out of reach from the founders.

>>16351364
>I am tired of having you newfag losers spam and shit up the board with your obvious chink scam
muh sekrit club! get heart disease, boomer! we're coming for your market share. i can't believe you literally used "too big to fail" as your argument. "muh winner-take-all market hurrr." well we are about to take all so if you're smart, fomo in now (as if you haven't already)

>>16351407
I have

Multiple times

>>16351399
Those pages aren't for you, they're for people who are interested in the project. Pretty confident that you have schizophrenia man get some help. Go get a psychiatric evaluation.

>>16351407
It is quite embarrassing to see this kind of uninformed fud. If you want to fud, at least do the effort of doing a little bit of research in it.

>>16351409
>>16351414
>>16351416
>>16351418
>Idiots learning about bitcorn from CNN, hoping to be rich with zero work and brain, as they falsely believe happened in 2017, too stupid to realize the fall for an obvious chink scam

Mainnet when?

>>16351409
"My fanties" is that another name for your butcher knife?

Lol she all the loser..on biz you guys same like old story....
Grow up kids
This shit going to explode
Fantom is next Eth
Get it or regret later
You all said same thing
For every project scam

>>16351446
>Mainnet when?
soon, boomer senpai. ready your rectum

>>16351464
It's just an alternative with bank clients

here to make money

>>16351446
March 2009, that's when I got into mining bitcoin on my gaming rig. When btc blew up on /g/, and there was no /biz/. Fucking faggot BTFO. You're the newfag here. You think eth is that old? Fuckin noob. You forget ETH started off as a shitcoin that was fudded to all hell in the beginning too. People were constantly shilling and fudding it here around 10-15$. Fantom is a legitimate contender for top 50 in a year or two, but you're too emotionally invested in ethereum to get your head out of your autistic ass and do some actual reading and code review. Brainlet.
NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP IDIOT
BTFO

What a cringe FTM thread. Glad to see at least some anons have caught on that the next major dag is FRM.

it's almost like the Fantom team want to run like a legitimate organization... not shilling all their internal shit out in the public eye.

You think maybe that might help them with their dealings with serious financial institutions?

Maybe they learned that from the fact that Andre Cronje USED TO BE A FUCKING CTO AT A MAJOR SOUTH AFRICAN BANK??

Jesus when will you learn? are you fudders really all that poor that you haven't got $500 spare/that you could find just to spare your future self SOME of the pain you'll experience when this goes to $1 minimum?

>>16351606
You can take your gaming rig and stuff it up your ass. Not a singe question could you answer, newfag. 60% of total token supply to founders and friends look normal to you. Lies about tps, lies about mainnet coming, lies about African banking agreements, Dubai smart city, no major office in the U.S. connecting to global tech firms etc. You can't explain any of it. It's a clear chinks scam, newfag. What more do you need? 30% of total global supply for "marketing"? Are you idiots nuts? Does that look normal to you?

>>16351941
lmao copypasta fud again, you're definitely just trolling

>>16351941
Ignoring the token bit that's been answered over 100 times

Can you provide proof of lies about dubai and lies about banks please?

>>16351941
Do you think maybe they are waiting for mainnet launch to compare it to the Eth fork?

>>16351127
Smart contracts will be executed st 10-20k tps

>>16350950
100k tps isn't a lie retard. It's a theoretical number mentioned in the white paper, an estimation given before they built the tech. They believe naivety will do 40-50k tps for balance transfers and 10-20k tps for sstore evm operations (smart contracts) in real world scenarios.

Supply is now fully unlocked and diluted. Team and advisor tokens have been committed to node and staffing rewards.

>>16350993
They aren't minted yet fucking retard

>>16351941
>33 inane fuds by this ID
i can't believe you're not even smart enough to rotate your IP to make it look organic

I went all in under 1c.... Will i be rich?

>>16352055
only if you have iron hands. people keep fomoing in and out of this project like a revolving door. imagine being so ADHD you cant even wait one month

>>16351960
>>16351979
>>16351982
>>16351992
>>16352028
>>16352033
>>16352051
Time for you idiots to document your trash talk.
1. When mainnet and why did they lie?
2. Why would you believe their tps number when they admit to lie through their teeth regarding 100 000 tps?
3. Why choose African bank with a supposed global cutting edge tech company? That one of the fake devs worked there before smacks of corruption and fake partnerships
4. Why not burning their tokens instead of proposal of maybe blah blaha but STILL have 30% of total supply to "marketing" and STILL a total of 60% to teams and friends with just a fraction maybe to node reward, but certainly not burning any of it, like normal non-scam projects do.
5. Why only shitty fake scam partnerships? Compare that to Ethereum: https://entethalliance.org/members/

You have been chinked, morons. When mainnet you idots?

>>16352187
Ftm BTFO

>>16352187
1. Mainnet is delayed to incorporate stairdag proposal, greatly improving consensus. This was explained
2. 100k tps, again as explained, was theoretical number which was mentionned in the white paper before they built the tech. They reached 80k tps in control environment testnet and now with stairdag update which caused the delay, they expect 40-50k tps. Again you just ignore what is said.
3. Andre cronje, fake dev... ok bud. How do you think startups gain business and adoption? They leverage their connection and start with what they can get. RETARD.
4. They can't burn tokens which aren't yet minted. Again, this was addressed.
5. So you expect a company created in 2018 to have the same enterprise network as ethereum who had first mover advantage and been around almost a whole 4 years more? Funnily enough fantom is part of EEA.

Mainnets in December. Yep 2 or possibly 3 of them

>>16352253
retarded fudder BTFO

>>16351606
Top 50 in a year or two? Fuck me i may as well invest in boomer stocks

>>16352253
This

>>16352540
nah you're too retarded for that also. stick to wagecucking and try not to spend your whole paycheck on beer

FTM is comfy as fuck

>>16352253
1. Give me link to official statement
2. No way 80K tps with smart contract, give link to official statement
3. Again. Why choose African bank with a supposed global cutting edge tech company?
4. "They can't burn tokens which aren't yet minted. " they can before launch mainnet. You did not address 30% of global supply to "marketing" and the rest of the total scam tokenomics
5. "So you expect a company created in 2018 to" No, I said; Why only shitty fake scam partnerships? Compare that to Ethereum: https://entethalliance.org/members/

You have been chinked, morons. When mainnet you idots?

>>16352855
what a fucking retard.

An official statement is not needed for every fucking movement the organization makes, they have communicated it in telegram. 1 & 2 done.

3. this has been explained. Low hanging fruit, connections were already in place. What dont you understand about that?

4. Why the fuck would they burn them anyway? that would reduce their % holdings, and reduce their runway for staking rewards on mainnet. fucking retard

5. Ethereum had 0 partnerships and quite honestly still has near 0 adoption.

You are so fucking mad that the SA central bank said Eth was dogshit and now chose fantom

>>16352855
Eth bags must be heavy

>>16352927
OK, so you know they lied about 100 000 tps, about mainnet, and now you are telling me that you ONLY have official lies and some fake statements on telegram, that is not legally binding, to give you scammed people new hope in the chink scam project? They had a whole medium article, titled mainnet when, with ZERO answer to the very headline. How is that for scammy people? So 80 000 tps with smart contract because some dude said it on telegram, right. Could it be MORE chink scammy?

>>16353077
You are an absolute retard. None of what you repeat deserves to be addressed since you are incapable of understanding that a theoretical whitepaper tps figure is based on estimations and mathematical models which in practice will be affected by network latency and other factors.

>>16353077
I even replied to you twice that smart contracts would be 10-20k tps and balance transfers 40-50k.

Yet you just fucking ignore and repeat your retarded pasta

>>16353077
Why are you still insisting on this?

Don’t you realize that your fud is totally ridiculous?

Feel free to be skeptical but please, stop this embarrassing fud

>>16345064
that's what they do in all the scam threads

>ahhh this is just old copy pasta fud sirs , do not fall for it

>>16348264
>>16348266

standard procedure indeed, doing a token swap is perfectly good and normal and to be expected. They release the useless ERC-20 token first so millions of dollars can flow in and then do the token swap later, token swaps are just good legitimate things that legitimate people do, it's all above board and good and I'd buy FTM right away.

Here's a list of every token that increased in price after a "token swap" and wasn't a scam:

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and so as you can see yessiree Fantom token my good sirs is a good buy today!

>>16353172
There wont even be a token swap fucking idiot. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>16353212
lmao the shills themselves are saying there would be a token swap. I guess anything can be true when you need it to be

>>16353216
token swap is not mandatory, can you not read between the lines dumb fuck?

1000 eoy

>>16353216
Fantoms consensus can be used with different tech stack, ethereum, cosmos, Binance chain, Aion, etc..

Depending on which sdk and blockchain tech they use on top of the consensus, a FTM token native to that tech stack will be used. The total FTM supply will be managed accross a bunch of different mainnets and formats. So I guess you could say there will be continuous swapping between protocols

It's like you decided to come fud after gleaning at an outdated 2018 ICO report and didnt look at any code, any of the research papers and new improvement proposals.

Theres nothing wrong with being skeptical but at least dive a bit deeper and stop repeating things that are obviously not relevant to anyone who has done a bit of due diligence.

Ok there is actually some really good info in this thread.
Anyone who is on the fence about this project should read this thread in its entirety
Comfy as fuck with my 700k stack bought at 135 from pussies who believe all the bullshit fud

DESU this fund is getting my itchy to buy more...tempted to sell other coins for this now...

>>16343447
You guys should check out this sick ethereum killer out of Korea called Icon. They have connections with the Korean government and it does interoperability. Really gives me FTM vibes bro’s it’s gonna be huge buy now or stay poor.

>>16353077
You make up nearly 20% of the posts in this thread
Go do something with your life instead of getting mad at a coin you supposedly don't hold

>>16353077
Read through this whole thread
Wow you are a cunt

>>16353580
>>16353642
Chinkscam with lies and fake agreements with African banks getting defended by delusional, newfag bagholders here:
>Go do something with your life instead of getting mad at a coin you supposedly don't hold
>Wow you are a cunt

>>16353102
>I even replied to you twice that smart contracts would be 10-20k tps and balance transfers 40-50k.
Of course you also have no official documentation for this. You just know this because some guy on telegram told you so. This is not how tech companies and tech investors operate in the real (non scammy) world. What we do know is that the 100 000 tps claim was a lie and a scam.

>>16346592
Same reason we don't use UNIX or dos anymore -- better functionality.

>>16353580
>>16353642
It's the dag schizo. Same pastas he was using in dag threads. Same style of spam where he repeats himself 10+ times LIES LIES LIES. He makes it too obvious

>>16353739
Yeah the guy who told me is Michael Chen which reinforces what Andre Cronje also said and you can read the stairdag improvement paper and SStore EVM paper written by andre.

You can find both these papers with google. But of course you're not interested in actually researching any of it.

>>16347912
Same here got 1.1mm and am waiting patiently

This shit is going to $100 during the next bull

Buy now or stay poor forever faggots

>>16354471
0% chance you actually believe this
Absolutely delusional

>>16353528
Unironically 100x if you bought before the pump. Id be happy with that out of ftm

If someone gives me the quick rundown I’ll buy 6 million of this right now

>>16354696
Here's a brainlet summary
It's ETH 2.0 before ETH 2.0, and can run ETH dApps with extremely minimal conversion of code. something like 60k tps.
There can/will be multiple mainnets. Each application will have it's own mainnet, and the total supply of FTM will be required for each of these mainnets collectively. That means there will very quickly not be many to go around.
First mainnet is rumoured to be an African central bank and will be launched sometime in the next month. According to the team there will two additional mainnets within the next month or two.

Can't wait for African bank to dump on my ass.

all-in on this shit since Binance listing ,please don't fuck me Andre Cronje.

>>16354821
Okay but is it going to be an ethereum token forever or what? And if not when will FTM be its own independent chain

>>16354996

This:
>>16353242

>>16355026
So it’s a token and always will be. Tokens aren’t really platforms, and aren’t protocols. Tokens can be exploited in a billion different ways compared to a real codebase which can be audited and then fixed, it if there’s a problem with the token contract it’s permanent. Where’s their GitHub

>>16350886

If each dApp requires separate validator nodes then there won't be many dApps.

A validator node is .1% of the total supply currently and one node isn't enough to secure a network but suppose it was. Since a node .1% of the total supply (3,175,000) there can be at most 1000 dApps on the network.

Thats a different type of scaling problem

>>16354643
I actually do believe it.

It has real banking adoption and tokenomics off the charts

>>16355050
Don’t buy. Stay poor. If you can’t do your own research to answer these questions you deserve to stay poor

Fuck off we’re full brainlet

>>16355137
In an enterprise programmer you fucking brainlet faggot. Too bad your autism won’t even let you pretend to know what you’re talking about. I’m going through their main devs LinkedIn now, he’s russian like me and has high accolades, and the only parts of the GitHub being updates lately are the Go and DAG-rust areas, some of it busy work, but I’m still seeing real work being done. it doesn’t change how a token is not a platform and has no underlying mechanics to do any of the things being discussed. But maybe you’re just too stupid to understand the documentation, so I’ll read it myself.

Stay mad that you can’t even buy 1 million

Burger lard here, looking to buy FTM on kucoin. Since I have to use ETH (or btc) to buy on Kucoin, is it a good time? Would it be greedy to try waiting for the value of ETH to rise a bit? FTM looks to be dragged down by the market a little less than others, so that might not happen without FTM rising also

>>16355190
>enterprise programmer
How's that c# treating you anon? kek

>>16355190
To continue, maxim is working on solving some hashing problems, which means that yes, FTM is not just going to be a token, since tokens on any current platform don’t need hash checks. You dumb faggots shouldn’t shill something if you don’t know what you’re talking about

https://github.com/Fantom-foundation/go-lachesis/pull/376

I’m buying it now because if it does what it says and isn’t just a shit token that squats on ether then I’m game. Now I get to bully you baglets

>>16355190
>In an enterprise programmer you fucking brainlet faggot.

I've read through the whitepaper a bit.
Fantom is built around the Lachesis consensus which comes from Leemon Bairds paper on SWIRDLS, also known as the hashgraph.

That system was implemented by Hedera Hashgraph and now Fantom is doing it.
Their software basically did the following:

-Fork Cosmos SDK
-Swap out consensus for SWIRLDS
-profit?

That's what I see at a high level in the github repos.

>>16355226
I don’t use sharp only C and ++ with some other minor cobol because my uni teacher programmed medical devices and had a boner about it, it’s not a very hard job and it’s easier than trying to daytrade

>>16355190
>>16355247
Based

>>16355257
Yeah, except a token doesn’t require any hashing protocol. So why would they put any effort into creating or updating their hashgraphs nd other checks if it wasn’t going to be used. So, obviously, it’s not just going to be a token forever, and the answer to my question was “I don’t know the ETA but they have independent hashing algos and working on the kinks, so it won’t be a token forever”

>>16355050
No, FTM will be a native coin to which ever bespoke mainnet is launched. Could be coded in solidity, FTM would replace ETH on that bespoke mainnet. Mainnet coded using cosmos SDK? FTM would be the native asset of this bespoke mainnet.
>>16355100

Validator requirements can be adjusted through governance. Each bespoke mainnet will have it's own governance model an node requirements. Scaling will not be a problem.

>>16355281
That's exactly the point which these other anons aren't getting. Ftm will be the native asset of all these different bespoke mainnets whether they are coded with cosmos sdk, aion sdk, solidity, fantom's own opera chain and whatever else they decide to support

>>16355281
>Yeah, except a token doesn’t require any hashing protocol

I'm not sure you know what you're saying anymore.

>"Hashing protocol"?
Ok.

This guys pull request is a him worrying that events might differ amongst nodes because the hash function is supposedly insensitive to order so he changed it. It's very minor change and it's dealing with the already established consensus mechanism.
The guy in the PR just responds with "we don't need to do this because the events are already replicated properly through aBFT"

Happy to be part of an epic bread.
See you chads in Valhalla

>>16355326
>>16355341
And yes it’s obviously just a copy of ATOM but without a huge ICO years ago. Even the feature list is the same shit. Hence why I was confused how it could be a Eth token but be using the same damn code, because cosmos is an independent blockchain.

>>16355367
Hey dumb faggot mongrel, TOKENs ON THE ETHER CHAIN DONT HAVE NODES. Seriously. Shut the fuck up and stop using terms you and your wife’s son don’t understand

>>16355367

Also; Maxim is their head dev, you stupid faggot. The absolute state of retards like you trying to pretend to be smart

>>16355383
Fantom is consensus as a service. That's all they care about. That's their game. The point is that it should be used with the best blockchain tech around. Lachesis is a module.

>>16355326
>Each bespoke mainnet will have it's own governance model an node requirements. Scaling will not be a problem

Probably not but it could be.

Fantoms scaling idea, aside from using SWIRLDS consensus, is to avoid ethereums problem of having one system running every single dApp. Fantom points to all the dApps in ethereum fighting over access to the same system so Fantoms solution is to allow separate mainnets. It could make Fantom the token overly scarce.
Instead of fighting over computing power, you get fighting over tokens but I guess that would be good for the price. I'm concerned that it could actually lock out projects that want to use Fantom.

>>16355430
NVT contract will eventually allow for network collaterization with other crypto assets, in addition to a base amount of FTM (basic node balance, pay for gas)

>>16355383
>Hey dumb faggot mongrel, TOKENs ON THE ETHER CHAIN DONT HAVE NODES. Seriously. Shut the fuck up and stop using terms you and your wife’s son don’t understand

ether chain?
bruh.

>Also; Maxim is their head dev, you stupid faggot. The absolute state of retards like you trying to pretend to be smart

Don't care who's running it, some of the smartest people in the world are working on ridiculous and failed projects.
Maybe name-dropping is enough for you since you are an "enterprise developer".
Please don't pretend you know what you're doing, Ranjaratnum

My 500k Fanties will take me to Valhalla.
We will make it frens

>>16355500
Cringe

>>16355467
>NVT contract will eventually allow for network collaterization with other crypto assets

Gib link?
I did a quick google search but didn't see this.

>Fantom is consensus as a service. That's all they care about.

Lachesis is more than a module, it seems like the heart of the project (and TxFlow). Are you saying it's set up to be swapped out?

What do you think of Polkadot? It's having lots of money thrown at it and it's trying to focus on inter-operation of chains. I'd see it at as the main competitor to Fantom at this point.

For the record, I don't like Gavin Wood and his involvement makes me hope the project gets smoked

>>16355545
It was from a convo with Andre

>>16355605

>>16355610

>>16355617

>>16355545
This is an example of a fantom mainnet staking model:

https://www.blog.xar.network/xar-network-staking-explained/

>>16355704
>This is an example of a fantom mainnet staking...

I read that recently, it's very interesting from a banking perspective.
Looking over it again I'd have to ask, if the validators are staked with CSDT based on other currencies and then the CSDT is liquidated due to price decrease, what happens to the validators?

I'll have to look closer at the available info because the term "validator" is being used in multiple ways.
In some places it suggests there is a pre-existing validator set to helps secure the network, other places it talks about creating validators with staked assets. Those sound like different validators.
I'm going to assume the Fantom guys didn't just overlook the possibility of supply exhaustion and that I need to look closer at how the system is supposed to work.

Thanks for the telegram posts, anon.

>>16348100
MIT is a shit safety school

>>16355799
Actually the validators are locking CSDT. Other tokens can be liquidated, but the CSDT cannot.

CSDT will be a USD paired currency (USDF), minted in return to any other currency deemed in the contract (currently at a maximum 150%)

There will be a mix of private and public validators, which causes the difference you read.

This staking model only applies to XAR, an independent branch applying FTM consensus for the issuance of CBDC stable coins (statheros platform).

>>16355932
Can it run on my amstrad?

>>16355128
Then you're a fucking retard
that's a ~$200bn market cap

>>16356213
Wht did XRP hit during the bull

>>16355542
Don’t worry Ranjeet, I catered for you also

>>16355225
Don’t wait desu

>>16356791
Like 140b

>>16356982
Exactly you fucking retard

XRP pumped for that on the HOPE it would get bank adoption...and with dogshit tokenomics

Fantom HAS bank adoption, NOW..and has epic tokenomics

>>16352855
>WHAY WOLUD A AFRICAN DEBELOBER LARTNER WITH A NAFRIVAN BANK???