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>>16341245
Because they're made of glass?

>>16341281
>Because they're made of glass?
So the demonstration was the show everyone they're made of glass?

>>16341245
They must of tested it like shit. They said they did with many things. Maybe the ball test was a separate test and they assumed it would take it. Bit seriously wtf didn't they test with the ball??

>>16341245
because elon lost his mind a year or two ago and all he cares about now is being in the spotlight and being a new meme each day.
>horry sheeit wha happen?
>THATS OUR ELON

>>16341245
Those were the wrong glass.
Probably because that demo car was built with stand-in regular glass.

They tested the actual glass just before that, and it worked perfectly.

elon saw it and went into a fit of rage because it looks like a 1970s movie prop so he smashed it with a bat while berating the designers in a momentary fit of rage, not realizing it was the model he would have to use in 30 mins for his presentation

big difference between dropping and throwing with wind up

>>16341514
Dropping from 13 feet has more power than lobbing it overhand.

>>16341245
He looks coked out

>>16341245
Because Elon is an unironic conman and his company is a sham

>>16341296
People in the crowd kept heckling saying it was CGI so he had to prove otherwise.

>>16341245
test

my guess it that the glass itself was loosely mounted (prototype) and the actual steel in contact with the glass broke it.

>>16341571
this how can people still hail this clown as some genius entrepreneur he took billions in tax money and keeps delivering fuckup after fuckup. I wish I was paid billions to troll the public with shitty inventions that dont work

>>16341245
Elon Musk has developed a metal ball that can break bulletproof glass

>>16341563
If you want car design based on 80s popculture, you need to commit to an 80s drug regimen.

>>16341618
topkek

>>16341245
It was made of same material as used for bitcoin support

>>16341605
Guy has to be some sort of gov asset or something to be this big of a fuckup and still keep going

I really have no idea who lends this clown money his company is going under not even a question of if but when

>>16341659
t.

All these posters in this thread hating on tesla and Elon have clearly never driving one before. Keep resisting innovation tho...

>>16341245
elon is so fucking ugly. he looks like an orangetan

>>16341618
lel

>>16341659
i'm not any sort of genius there is a reason his stock is 30% short float trust me you don't get numbers like that without serious financial problems

>>16341245
I'm starting to think it was some marketing stunt. You know like get everybody talking about this "lmao dude the unbreakable glass broke hahaha".

>>16341659
>>16341770
t. just shorted Tesla yesterday and now sweating bullets.

>>16341628
kek

>>16341563
>He looks coked out

do you expect anything else from Elon Delorean?

>>16341245

>>16341775
>I'm starting to think
You're a slow one aren't you

>>16341420
why are the destacos not in the hold position?

>>16342339
Because then the energy wouldn't dissipate quickly enough and the glass would break

>>16341471
Yep

>>16341628
Lmao

>>16341245
Tomorrow Tesla will announce that they installed inferior glass in the demo vehicle and will redo again. Meanwhile they've let EVERYONE know they make a badass electric pick-up truck.

Genius.

>>16341301
cause those windows are expensive. they didn't want be break any more of them than they needed to.

>>16342339
They were closed during the test, see the top pic.

>>16341775
>I'm just being retarded on purpose, heh

>>16341420
the engineers who were responsible for the glass made the test glass a bit thicker, they knew the management would test it and they didn't want it to fail their tests.
they didn't know they'd get the idea to test it on an actual car's glass live on the show off.
lol

100% clearly what happened

>>16342454
>badass electric truck
Yeah, the people who buy trucks dont find that badass

>>16342486
>the engineers who were responsible for the glass made the test glass a bit thicker, they knew the management would test it and they didn't want it to fail their tests.
Then why not make the glass in the car thicker?

Also, you can see the thickness of the test glass in the vid, it's pretty normal.

Either not the real glass or the guy was throwing some seriously sharp ceramic.

>>16341618
Holy shit

>>16342454
the absolute state of tesla bagholders

>>16342491
Until they get smoked in a drag race or hauling match.

>>16342508
They still literally won't care. You clearly don't know truck owners.

>>16342497
>if the black boxes on planes survive all crashes, why don't they the whole plane out of the same material the black box is built from

>>16342491
They took 100,000 orders in the first few hours after smashing the windows. The truck is badass regardless of a silly live demo.

>>16342524
I own a full-size truck, largely because of the V8.
And my next truck will be the Tesla.

>>16342534
>They took 100,000 orders in the first few hours after smashing the windows
holy shit musk is now a cult leader

>>16342531
For the test, peabrain.

And that test glass wasn't any thicker than the regular glass, so the whole thing doesn't add up anyway.

>>16342534
All coastal collectors. They're not cutting into Ford or Chevys truck market across the country. Absolutely 0 chance I find anyone with so much as a wheelbarrow in one in a picture.

>>16342559
>For the test, peabrain.
because the people who made the test-glass weren't the same people who conceived the idea of throwing a ball at the actual car's glass live on show. the group of people who knew that the test-glass is not legit, and the group of people who knew they will throw a metal ball at the window of an actual car as well do not overlap. is it REALLY this hard to comprehend

>>16342562
Tesla have never expected their pick-up to be a mass market vehicle. Model 3 and Y fulfill that role. The sole purpose is to force other manufacturers to build decent EVs. Customers are going to ask Ford why can't your pick-up have bullet-proof stainless steel doors and charge all my power tools, oh, and leave a Porsche 911 for dust?

>>16341245
Beacsue some brute threw a metal ball at it. (And it didnt go through, so thats good)

>>16341694
pity (You). arabs try to flex in the strangest ways. i guarantee you no anon ragging on tesla is secretly aching to drive one. if you want to dab on white guys, try mentioning white women flying to dubai to have sex with camels

>>16342611
The test glass had normal thickness.
Stop trying so hard.

>>16342612
No they won't. Again, you don't know truck owners

shit car. in case of an accident, you're dead like the old cars that don't break.

>>16342642
Who cares.
I'll just drink their tears when they watch their favorite full-size V8 truck get smoked by the Tesla in drag races, hauling matches, tugs-of-war, ...

>>16342658
What on earth makes you think that?

>>16341245
so when the car catches fire you can't escape and sue him.

>>16342707
That’s actually a pretty good point. Breakable glass is a safety feature of sorts, especially when you’re sitting on top of a giant Samsung galaxy 7

>>16342675
physics. when the front of your car folds during a collision it absorbs the energy of the collision. when the metal is solid your body is absorbing the shock.

>>16342861
Car bodywork don't crumple when they hit people, buddy.
Maybe if you hit them at 100mph lol.

remember the blue screen embarrassment for windows some years ago? turns out it was on purpose.

obvious marketing or distraction

This conman is trying to get to Mars when we can't even go to the moon.

They didn't shatter though. Bullet proof glass breaks like that it just doesn't shatter

can't wait until someone rolls over with it, the doors locking mechanism gets stuck and a battery gets punctured while rolling over.

There's a reason only the windshield is made of tempered glass in cars, y'know? When everything mechanical fails, you can break your way out of the car to avoid dying in a ball of fire.

The test glass while secure had “give” as you can see when they had to resecure it with each dropped ball.

The glass in the car doesn’t have any give so it broke.

>>16341245
because demos always go wrong

cos tesla is shit

>>16344145
the way you break glass has noting to do with give. something sharp enough that is harder has to hit it. it's all about pressure in the moment it hits. most car windows can be easily broken by hitting them with a sharp piece of ceramics that is surprisingly light.

>>16341618
HOLY SHIT YUGE IF TRUE

>>16344193
That’s not entirely true.

Ceramics break glass due to how it impacts the glass, not the force behind it. Same as a diamond cutting glass doesn’t need to be chisel.

The demo tray you can see there is an inch gap that the glass is reset to. Once the ball is dropped and hits it, as the glass is not being held rigidly it’s allowed to flex and disperse the impact. The car window couldn’t which is why less force with the same object caused it to break.

>>16344249
i'm telling you it's not about flexing the impact doesn't break the glass. but armor glass is not glass anyhow it's a sandwiched material of high tensile strength foils and poly-carbonate panels only the scratch resistant surface is actual glass.

>>16341245
Corporate sabotage from a lesser car manufacturer.

>>16344278
or maybe elon could try alon glass...

>>16341587
Kinda underrated

>>16342615
>women
>sex with camels

Choose

>>16342947

You're not very smart, are you?

the musk hate train is fucking cringe

think for yourselves

>>16344113
U wished my doors to fail and lock me inside while I die in flames in the other thread right? What a sad, basement dwelling existence you must have

>>16344249
>The demo tray you can see there is an inch gap that the glass is reset to. Once the ball is dropped and hits it, as the glass is not being held rigidly it’s allowed to flex and disperse the impact. The car window couldn’t which is why less force with the same object caused it to break.
This makes sense, I was wondering why they kept adjusting the clamps for each consecutive ball drop.

>>16342531
Why don’t they make planes out of the same stuff, god they’re so stupid

>>16341245
>Why did the windows break?
not thicc enough

>>16341245
The glass they did the drop test on was allowed to flex so it can absorb the impact. The glass in the truck is rigid so it will just shatter when doing the test

What happens if you drive this into water?

>>16342615
>>16345428
just leaving this here

>>16345910
maybe you could JUST drive a car where these things don't happen ? Just a thought

>>16346158
You will be boiled alive.

>>16346158
you will suck my cock... or it will float like the tesla in that romanian video

>>16341245
>bullet proof glass
>shoot bullets at it
>that's what it looks like

>>16346027
Flabby women so stronk. I wanna puke in her face.

>>16341659
He is absolutely a glowie asset.
They need frontmen like him to launder all the dirty money they get.

>>16341245
They probably didn't even test it. Wasn't even supposed to be apart of the thing. Then Elon's like common bro break the windows. The guys like uhh.. you sure? (we didn't rehearse this). Then this happens. Elon is a dummy. Can't even barely talk properly.

>>16342764
Note 7

>>16346991
A burning lithium fire is a burning lithium fire

>>16341618
My god...

>>16341245
because elon musk is retarded and made the tests on a sample of the glass with the edges free, where it can bend freely and avoid breaking, instead of in the actual car windows where all 4 sides are fixed and cant move

>>16347243
If this is really the reason that’s fucking hilarious.

i've read that they accidentally used the solar glass version instead of the regular glass

>>16341618
kek

>>16346160
>human rights
>instagram thots
lol

>>16346027
Who is this moo-cow. I need more

>>16341301
>must of

>>16341628

>>16343626
>This one.

>>16341618
Damn...

>>16342611
this is most likely the explanation

>>16342462
They popped open when the ball bearing hit the glass allowing the glass to bounce and dissipate the energy, preventing it from breaking. After each drop they reset the clamps.

>>16341628
Based af

>>16341659

So fucking short it lmao

>>16341605
Hey there kiddo. How many times did you land your reusable rocket booster on a boat rocking in the ocean?

>>16345428
this literally happens every day. there used to be threads on here about it with screenshotted convos. didn't take much I think 30k?

>>16342562
99.9% of small peepee man/ suburban housewife Ford/ Dodge/ etc trucks will never see a wheelbarrow

>>16342531
did you know black boxes are actually orange in real life?

the more you know

>>16342614
>brute

You mean a Silicon Valley basedboy

>>16342661
And then be out of service for 8 hours while the batteries charge

>>16341245
You know, in ancient roman days, it was law that the foreman of a crew had to stand under an newly built archway as the support beams were removed to insure that if the structure failed, the man in charge would be the one injured or killed. Musk should have been in the car as it was sprayed with full auto machine gun fire from a dozen gunmen.

>>16341420
They also probably threw the ball at it a bunch before hand. None of the designers and c-level execs probably have an autistic interest in ballistic transparent armor. If it’s not true ballistic transparent armor in the sense that it can reach a rating level, which it is most certainly not, then it probably cannot stand repeated impacts from even objects large, contact surface area objects. That transparent composite will probably not even stop a 9mm if it can’t handle a large ball being thrown at it a few times before the demonstration.
The steel exo is cool, but how many 9mm can it actually take? As a shtf it’s stil lthe best platform imo, even better if they made a non-electric version. Obviously, gas will be more scarce than electricity in shtf, but the risk of thermal runaway caused by puncture is not a problem with armored combustion cars.
>bullet pierces battery, thermal runaway
>bullet pierces self-sealing or even non self sealing gas tank, no fire unless the gas drips onto a hot part of the car, which would have to be heated from friction since gas tanks are usually in the back.
In terms of a firefight, electric armored vehicles will only become superior once there is a way to eliminate the risk of thermal runaways caused by punctures.

Because it was a publicity stunt.

>>16350226
I’m actually pissed that they used the word bulletproof, I think they did, or at least they said the steel panels could stop a bullet. Ballistic ratings are seriously well studied and when an armored vehicle is given a rating that score is based on seriously strong rational. Just because the exo can withstand a mallet and maybe one 9mm and that the transparent wannabe armor can maybe withstand impact from a blunt object, doesn’t mean the cybertruck is ready for an engagement oem.
I want a cybertruck, but I’ll be outfitting it with tested materials and have multiple copies tested to receive a ballistic rating. Sadly the materials are so heavy today but there is a lot of innovation in the space. I’m curious to see how thicker layers of this steel used to create part of the bullet resistant cabin space would fare in testing, I do think they are onto something, but the advertising is misleading, and dangerously so.

>>16350226
can't find a source on that, sounds like cool trivia about rome but probably not true.

>>16350267
honestly, it just a story that i heard in engineering school. there a ton of variations of it. i just like the idea of standing behind your work. if you say that its armored then some wimpy faggot throwing a 10lb ball should be able to bust through it. musk a bitch.

>>16350329
well just like the foreman in ancient rome wasn't the one actually placing the stones in the arc Musk didn't put those windows into the car. maybe workers just didn't follow instructions properly or worse. musk had to stand there and be embarrassed over something that wasn't due to his own work.

It is an innovative approach:
broken looks. Like ripped trousers.
Elon is neopunk.

>>16341618
>low-key demonstration
i'm buying 10,000 units of Tesla stock tomorrow

>>16341618
How much for one?

>>16350226
Those archways actually served a purpose. These snake oil products only exist as an idea. They're incomplete, non-functional, and tasteless. But if a few people believe that they'll get laid by owning one, then you have your profit right there. Why actually risk money or wellbeing by making it work? That's not the point. In fact, I'd say Musk does put himself on the line by risking looking like an idiot, which he did at the demo.
Sadly, he immediately blamed his head of design (albeit jokingly) and pretended to be confused as to why it happened. A good leader would take responsibility and explain the problem to investors. If he created the thing, but is totally confused as to how the error could have possibly happened, then he's gaslighting. Many knives are being dedicated to backs within the Tesla ranks, nobody is going to want to be Trump-style sacrificed over bullshit like this. He may not have been crushed to death by his failed creation, but it definitely exploded in his face.

>>16345826
Crumple zones are for vehicular collisions.
Pedestrians are supposed to be scooped up by car hoods, not enveloped.

>>16350186
t. boomer who never used an EV

>>16350231
>They also probably threw the ball at it a bunch before hand.
I'm pretty certain they did not.
That was a very half-hearted lob and the glass just shattered while that test glass withstood far greater punishment.

It was very obviously not the right kind of glass in that demo truck.

>>16350546
I really don’t see it as as big a deal as the media and everyone is making it out to be, but they were stupid in throwing the ball without first figuring out how many throws the window could take without shattering. Transparent armor is supposed to shatter without full penetration. This wasn’t even supposed to be transparent armor, but musk’s hubris probably made them do this risky test without substantial behind the scenes testing of the specific conditions of the demo.
I see musk as a brainlet autist, where his tism helps him get ahead of the pack but his brainletness and dunning kruger mind lead him through fuck up after fuck up.
The cybertruck will still be a success, and I say this as someone who will not buy an electric car until it can be proved that penetration of the battery will no longer almost always cause a thermal runaway event.
The design is more edgy than that of the Model S, and we have seen how the S has taken off and influenced others. Also, the model S does not look like a panamera, the panamera is so distinct, I love it, but the original S looked nothing like the first gen panamera imo, or at least not enough to be considered a copy like the explorer is a copy of the range rover.
The cybertruck wards off any claims of design copying, and is also absolutely a threat to traditional pickups. They need to add a few more features standard in pickups, and I’d buy one if it was gas powered or at least mostly thermal runaway proof.

>>16346027
Im cooooming, aahahahahhhhhhhhhh

>>16341618
Zozzle

>>16341245
What kind of shitass design is that. It feels like cyberpunk 1970 crap.

>>16350703
He's talking about the driver absorbing the shock instead of the crumple zone you fucking retard

>>16341245
There's a vid of them testing it right beforehand (supposedly) where they didn't break

So they're resistant but not perfect yet

>>16341659
I give him money. So he will troll all the normies REEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>16341618
Big brain right here, the real investors have picked up on this

>>16350952
https://youtu.be/SwvDOdBHYBw?t=359
at 6 min

really wouldn't unbreakable glass just be more dangerous in a crash if your heads slamming into it, what is the point of it? to stop niggers stealing your change?

>>16351315
there's airbags to prevent that regardless of glass.
At least I assume the tesla has "curtain" airbags.

>>16351315
if your head smashes into non-unbreakable glass in a crash you're fucked anyway, especially if it's with enough force to break it. airbags are there to prevent this

>>16350899
Haha what?

>>16344113
>tempered
have you been sleeping for the last 20 years? luxury cars and today even some cheaper ones are offered with optional laminated (sound-proof) glass side windows.

>>16350899
Cars crumpled back then too, they just crumpled in the wrong way. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=C_r5UJrxcck&feature=emb_logo