/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16333842
You have to know what competitors are actually charging
Get you and your friends and family to get quotes from your competitors

Negotiating on price is the weakest form of negotiation. Never do that again.

>>16333842
Charge the least possible amount you're comfortable with.

Ideally you'll have a cast of employees you can send out on these jobs instead of doing it yourself in the future. Until then, you're just gotta keep working until you're getting more jobs than you alone can handle.

>>16333888
Got it never again

>>16333888
this. you should have said, "I will clean the inside of all your windows as well" or offered for the first 2 cleans for free etc.

>>16333842
Maybe a niche to consider is move out and move in cleaning services for apartments. Put your cards around apartment buildings and whenever a tenant needs a cleaner they will call.

>>16333972
Good idea,I had been dropping them at offices and churches,will do anon

>>16333842
$155 is to cheap IMO. You got ripped off buddy. Just say $155 is the price and say call me if you want it done.

>>16333972
seems inconsistent. The market to go after is Offices/Schools/Upper class people who have cleaning people once or twice a week.

>>16333842
Where do you live?

Re-brand as a cleaner for Airbnb. People need someone to clean their rental property between rentals. This includes washing the linens, dishes, etc. Airbnb owners desperately need companies that will consistently clean their rentals, and they don't mind paying the $75 or whatever they charge since it's charged to the renter.

My coworker rents out her cabin in the mountains and it's pretty busy this time of year. She tried hiring one company to come and clean it, but they were running at capacity with 70 houses on their list to clean.

>>16333842
Also if she has a girl who cleans her house for $75 why did she have to ask you to clean it? Because Her regular girl probably wanted more like $150 also. And because this lady is a jew she went and called you.

>>16334002
My research said to clean an entire house is $200-300 for 1500 sqft. I haven't done the job not has she called me back,I may not even do it of she does,but I don't wanna turn down a job and since I'm starting out I'm not trying to Jew anyone.

The after flooring install cleanup job that I did seemed like a fair price for about the same area but it was all also covered in dust that had to be removed,it was a fair job that I busted my ass on but he never called me back either.

I figured as long as I had created something it would grow eventually,I just wanna know the fastest way so I don't have to wageslave,I don't mind busting my ass for myself,but I've been a neet for the last 5 months and I don't wanna go back,I hate my new job.
I hate construction,even though this type is indoors

>>16334035
"Her lady" is out of town for a few weeks and needed someone now for the people moving in.
Also As soon as she said her girl does it I knew she meant a little Mexican woman by the way she said it and the boomer memes started flowing in my head.

>>16334056
Im also doing odd jobs. You probably need to advertise till you get enough repeat customers.

Just remember once you set a price with a new customer they will expect it to stay that price for a long time. So get the jobs that don't mind paying your price. They are the jobs you want.

I'm also in Dallas Texas btw
I just figured shit need cleaning and I can do that,I was in a car wreck a couple years back and can't work construction or even driving for long periods(I have a commercial drivers license)
Sciatica sucks ass

>>16334056
Idiot. Either you jew or get jewed. You fucked up already. You will not make it for even a year by working for basically free.

Btw, op is larping this is a standard test story in second semester market psychology

>>16334090
Ive been telling people that repeat work comes at a discount too.
I've been trying to undercut everyone,even the Mexicans.

Offices and churches are easier to clean and simpler.
I've called cleaning companies and asked the price for a 2000 sqft office and with out looking at it they said about $70.

But people in thier personal lives are fucking nasty and houses cost more.My minimum is $110

>>16333842
Bill it like you're an employee and not a hack solo doing it for beer money and competing with illegal spics over crumbs.

Can you make a profit paying an hourly employee, plus transportation/equipment repair, plus time estimating/selling/driving/finalizing agreements? Then don't do it, or explain it to them as such. Pressure washing is the same way, "well my nephew says he'll do it for 40 bucks". My cost in fuel and detergents to run my 12k machine pulled by my 30k truck with a 3k advertising wrap is over 40. There's a reason you called me and not him, I'm an employee of a business (try to avoid saying you're the owner) not a charity.
Do it professionally, send out invoices and recipts. Rentals: that's a direct tax write off, explain to the kike boomers as such. Price doesn't matter to (intelligent) businesses, only quality and lowest time cost to them. Ie: you show up when you say you're going to, do the job, and bother them the least amount of time as possible.

If the boomerniggers REALLY have to have a discount, make them do a group/neighborhood deal, "im already over here/in the area, I can knock off 20 bucks per for 2-3-5 houses for saving me drive time."

>>16334155
No larp dipshits, I'm asking for advice why the fuck would I write all that shit.
I'm really at an empasse here and don't wanna wage slave for boomers.

I'll have a set price and offer a free 2nd cleaning or something like that if they get jewy

>>16333842
Here's your problem. Your marketing strategy is shitty.

This is what you do. Find the richest motherfuckers in your area and offer to clean their house. Show up in a suit and everything, and make youe pitch.

Now, do a fantastic job for a cheap ass price. $20/hr for professionally done cleaning. Make sure you make them provide the cleaning supplies because you don't want to be responsible for using the wrong cleaning product on a surface.

Now they will be happy, because you're doing a fantastic job for half the price. Now they will tell all their friends. Then you say you're really busy (working 50 hours a week or something), charge them $30/hr. Still cheaper than the cleaning companies. Get fully booked, change price to $35/hr next year, $40/hr after that. Hire on european immigrants at $15/hr if you cant take jobs yourself.

i feel like the best bet for starting a business these days is to literally just buy out a pre-existing one some aging boomer wants to off load

>>16334179
This is the jewery I was looking for.

>Make them buy the supplies
Genius.

>>16334175
Sure larper. You might trick the pajeets and mongoloids but not me. but keep on larping, and take the law and ethics class.

>>16334198
You're one person
And there's always one contrarian

>>16334198
How would I prove to you I'm not lying,time stamp a photo of my vaccuum and white skin?

>>16334206
Okay larper

>>16334156
>I've been trying to undercut everyone,even the Mexicans.
you dont understand. Things like cleaning windows, houses, fixing fences etc. are not based on price. The type of people that buy these services (usually upper class or corporations) do not really care about the price.

They care about the relationship with you, and knowing you will do a good job.
tl;dr build relationships. In an industry like this you have to put on a bullshit facade and make your customer your friend.

I assume you are white by the way you talk. This already gives you an advantage. I would much rather have a white American educated person clean my house than some mexican immigrant.

One problem you do have though, is that you are a man. Most people want women cleaning the house. I myself would not employ cleaners unless they are all women.

>>16334175
You don't lower your price you fucking retard. You have a shitty business because you are a shitty businessman, you fucking pathetic glorified toilet scrubber.
You don't need an LLC either, only a sole proprietorship fucking subhuman retard.
>Israel has every right to exist.

>>16334219
>>16334206
he is trolling you

>>16334219
You can't prove you are not larping. You can just take a pic of a vacuum and it would prove nothing. You could post info on the llc and it would prove also nothing. I know you larp and the morons will keep larping with you. Enjoy and take the law and ethics class

You need to create your own service. Don't compete white illegal immigrants or anyone else. Sell them your service and try and make $30 hour min.

>>16334233
You must be really bored,Chaim
Bibi indictment got you seething?

>>16334194
Typically these 10,000 sqft houses have closets just for the maid/cleaning person.

I used to work as a housekeeper for large Chicago McMansions, my going rate was $50/hr but the work is extremely tiring and I had problems with my wrists so I changed industries.

>>16334260
That's why my minimum starts at $110 that's 3-4 hrs of work

>>16334175
>>16334031
Stop responding to them. I just gave you a gold nugget. If you're in Dallas, then there's plenty of people renting out their properties to Airbnb. It's consistent cash flow. Look into it.

>>16334293
are you doing this? What do you do for a living?

>>16334252

>>16334276
Then is $110 a fair price for around a 1500sqft?

Should I tell them I charge by the hour then? Wouldn't they think you're milking it then?

>>16334293
Yessir my ad are for bnb but maybe I should go further and seek bnb owners out.
Highland Park,Richardson,and Frisco are popping too I was thinking of passing out cards there.

>>16333842
This is about the highest quality thread I've seen on /biz/ in weeks. Well done to you OP and good luck. If I may ask, how much settlement money did you get and what for? I was thinking about doing something similar like starting a cleaning business or a garden care business.

>>16334316
Don't clean 1500 sqft homes. The most profitable are 3000-10,000+, and you'll get better referrals. Pretty much every rich old lady in every city has a housekeeper, and they all have friends who need better/cheaper housecleaners.

Go where the money is. I hope you're White because then you can charge more money.

Sometimes I used to get paid $100-150/day to watch pets. Also, rich peoples houses are always clean, all you'll be doing is cleaning floors & dusting stuff off. It's much easier than cleaning a poorfags dump.

>>16334341
Thanks fren it's hard to find any good threads on 4chan

A 16 years old girl tboned me about two years ago,I called that ijustgothit.com nigger ad lawyer and them fools got me $12K
The business was about $2k to get everything started

>>16334357
Yes sir I was given the gift of God's white flesh although these days that seems like a bad thing so it's a bittersweet world for me being white but grew up in the hood.
I'm just trying to escape
And I can wear the mask very well

>>16334379
Being White in the service industry or sales is a godsend. Only corporate desk jobs hate White people.

>>16334297
I don't do it for a living, but I know it's something every airbnb renter needs. Like I said, my coworker rents her cabin out and the company she tried getting to clean it is doing 70 houses and can't take anymore. It's basic stuff too - tidying up the houses and washing the dishes/linens. The rental probably has a washer/dryer to wash the towels and whatnot.

>>16334391
Good thing that's not my strong point even if I went to college,got a desk job for 75k and had to commute for 3 hours a day and I'd still kill myself.

I may be a poor glorified bastard trying to make it in a fucked up world,I'm still able to survive of my own means.

I no longer feel that having a good job is not the ultimate goal.

>>16334422
Checkd and boomerpilled

Thanks anon I'll give you an upvote,but how do I contact these bnb owners,how would I know which house is a rental?

Maybe I should do the app and start co tacting these ppl directly and shilling my wares

>>16334422
Go to a 90%+ White rich suburb. There is a strong shortage of White laborers. People will pay a premium to your typical overweight 40 year old spic lady to clean their house. Compensation isn't capped. One of my clients would always give me odd jobs and pay me very well because she liked having me over on the weekends, and she knew I wouldn't steal/break shit while doing a job.

For example, I would help her prepare for parties thrown at the house or drive her son home sometimes. All together I made $45-50/hr doing random shit, and got to live in a 12,000 sqft $7M Mansion for about a month every year because she was on vacation and wanted someone to take care of her pets/kids. It wasn't even like work and it paid very well. I even got a job offers
from her brothers company, which helped me get into the financial services industry.

Cleaning Airbnbs is a shitty business model because you start to deeply cut into the profits of the unit, which will destroy the landlords NOI if you charge any reasonable rate.

>>16333972
This is a good target niche. When I moved out the landlord dinged me for $200 of my deposit for cleaning services. I'd pay $100 to some wagie to clean my apartment and save the other $100.

>>16334500
Airbnb hosts charge a decent cleaning fee for each stay, and if they're going to have someone clean their rental for the next person, then they're going to charge a cleaning fee that will cover the cost of the cleaner.

>>16333888
Correct.

You are proving a service. Capitalize on everything you can provide that the competition won't. Just off the top of my fucking head:

>As you're probably aware one of the biggest concerns when hiring a cleaning service is trusting someone in your house around your valuables - as part of our commitment to customer satisfaction we provide before and after pictures and an itemized list of valuables which were moved during the clean as applicable.

>We're also committed to proving deep cleaning which other providers have difficulty completing due to age or physical ability (think eaves-troughs, crawlspaces, attics)

>Upon request light car clean can be included

>If you're interested we will happily book you the day before garbage day and include waste disposal as part of our service.

Fuck man, be creative. I'm a career roofer and have never run a cleaning business but I feel like there are literally thousands of angles to take on this.

>>16333842
Run Craigslist ads

>>16334379
this is what I don't get
the mask and the misery sure, but unless you're working in retail or the food service industry, nobody's going to treat you that fuckin bad in actual person. and everyone's suffering too, make some friends for fucks sake. not to you OP specifically but to all. good work btw

Tile anon here. Look into nextdoor or possibly home advisor. Mailer advertising is affordable too.

Also don't get so emotional with your sales. Don't flex the price if they don't want to pay then walk away. It is not complicated. You can say no to a customer. I do it all the time.

>>16334179
Best advice so far. Stay away from the pikers.

>>16333842

Lmfao you incorporated and created an EIN before you actually had a business?

When will you retards understand that you can’t just create a business out of thin air (usually) and expect to make a profit. Ask any successful business owner how their company started, 99% of the time it began in their garage or bedroom.

The hard part about business isn’t doing the work, it’s getting the clients (and keeping them coming back). You don’t need to fucking incorporate until you have assets to protect. Incorporating won’t magically bring you business.

>>16336327
Yeah but in OP’s case it provides him some legal cover that seems useful for the particular sort of work he’s doing.
>cheap bitch from earlier decides he broke her favourite lamp, sues him
>llc folds vs personal liability