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No. Not even the Alpaca sock seller.

>>16233596
B-but, the maximalists told me that adoption is greater than ever before!

>>16233517
Retail died after 2017. Steam was one of the biggest companies diving into Bitcoin and they stopped. Steam deals with a bunch of computer enthusiasts and stopped accepting magic internet computer money. I knew it before, but it really sank in then that BTC is nothing more than a shitcoin usurper.

>>16233517

i just received some stickers from the andreas antonopoulos store and paid directly in on chain bitcoin

>>16233517

Nope.

Crypto is a failed meme.

overstock.com

bitpay was a mistake

>>16233797
>bitpay was a mistake
Yeah, because waiting 30 minutes to get paid in a hugely volatile token isn't.

>>16233517
You can buy all manner of things on the Internet with bitcoin even through legit sellers. It's just still in the early stages of adoption

>>16233882
Bitcoin payments are instant.

>>16233761

nocoiner or bsv shill? lel

>>16233894
Yeah, because any retailer would seriously consider losing money because they don't want to wait for confirmation.

>>16233894
What? I thought that was the whole point of solving the double-spend problem. By making bitcoin take like an hour to go through

>>16233891
>more than a decade in
>It's just still in the early stages of adoption
Cope.

>>16233891
wrong, they all instantly convert to fiat.

that's not adoption it's just them facilitating one additional payment method (at their own peril)

you can't call it "adoption" until you have retailers accepting Bitcoin and then holding that Bitcoin and not converting it directly into fiat. Only then will you have real adoption (and real trust)

>>16233882
have you ever used bitpay? it fucking sucks

>>16233957
its doable but only if you short equal amount as hedge

>>16233914
It's more secure than credit cards, why not? Unless you're talking about BTC. You can't do instant transactions on BTC.

>>16233980
who said that retarded shit? you can do it but its a stupid idea.

>>16233517
I actually tried for my steam key store. I accepted crypto for a while and it was a huge mistake. I got people attacking me all over calling me greedy, a shill, and a piece of shit. I went back to creditcard/paypal only and all issues went away.

tl;dr crypto enthusiasts fucking HATE stores that accept crypto

>>16233994
S T I F F

>>16233963
It sucks, but not as much as paying in actual digital currencies. Again, show me one (1) major retailer that directly accepts and holds any crypto.

>>16234069
who said you can't do 0-conf on bitcoin?

>>16234089
I literally said payments are instant on Bitcoin. What the fuck are you talking about? At no point in this thread did I not support 0-conf on Bitcoin.

>>16234069
And ten years later, is any retailer actually using an implementation of that? They'd love to reduce credit card fraud, so there's a huge incentive for them to do so.

>>16234118
For those of us that remember and as I already said earlier in this thread >>16233714

BTC fucked everything up. It's going to take awhile before we get these people on-boarded back to Bitcoin. There is a lot of ill-will because of BTC's shenanigans.

>>16234102
>>16233980
>You can't do instant transactions on BTC.
really?

>>16234145
that is why when people double spend they will use a proxy in china to first inject the double spend tx then locally broadcast the faux tx the network will be split parts of it closer to china will see the double spend locally see its all right.
fantastic idea this 0-conf is nothing will go wrong im sure

>>16234151
That's because BTC isn't Bitcoin.

>>16234181
pls try and double spend.

>>16234192
tim8ng attacks are trivial with known network topology. 0-conf is retarded. but it works the same on btc than on the shitforks. turn off rbf flag! there you go rbf disabled for your tx.

>>16234244
0-conf doesn't exist on btc, nice cope though.

>>16233923
>fiat introduced thousands of years ago took millennia for adoption
>checks invented 2000 years ago take millennia to reach adoption
>credit cards introduced in 1960s took decades to reach any larger adoption.
>bitcoin is adopting faster than any of those and somehow I'm coping

>>16234258
i just told you how

>>16234367
How is it "adopting faster" when literally no one is using it.

>>16234367
How is it "adopting faster" when literally no one is using it?

>>16234687
I literally just bought fine exotic teach with bitcoin. AT&T, Starbucks and Subway just started accepting bitcoin this year. You being uninformed isn't evidence.

>>16233714
The reason for that is because the fees got to high because bitmain spammed the mempool in order to make the utter failure that is bcash seem more worthwhile.

>>16234192
>That's because BTC isn't Bitcoin.

>>16234817
BSV faggots should be sent to work camps.

Who cares, how many retailers accept gold as payment? We're no longer buying pizzas for 10000 BTC. This is a store of value.

>>16234747
You are a retard. Re-read the whole thread again and do try to keep up.
"It is important to clarify that we are not accepting digital assets at Starbucks,” a spokesman told Motherboard. “Rather the exchange will convert digital assets like Bitcoin into US dollars, which can be used at Starbucks."

>>16233517
apmex accepts crypto payments. You can trade your zoomercoins for boomer rocks.

>and don't just use a USD conversion service
Daily reminder that when the last bullrun ended Steam stopped accepting BTC.
Nobody like to baghold depreciating assets and cryptos are one of the riskiest

Adoption as equivalent or substitute of FIAT (top kek) is far away.

>>16233672
Volatility will decrease as the market cap increases. That's when retail adoption will happen naturally.

>>16233517
Particl has a marketplace built in to their wallet and people are buying and selling completely anon. It's built on CORE, announced BTC compatibility in next release, and you can stake it for passive income.

>>16233517
I bought some pot seeds at nirvanashop.com with bitcoin. Other than that, I’ve never used bitcoin for anything legal. Are you implying that bitcoin isn’t useful for anything other than illegal activities?

Look, I love the anonymity, but it’s too volatile for normal transactions. There needs to be a service that instantly exchanges them from one currency to another.

>>16235086
They use Bitpay you retard.

>>16235092
B-but the maximalists told me it was a store of value!

>>16235092
That isn't why Steam stopped accepting it. They stopped accepting it because it's slow and expensive to use. Especially when they decided to stop using it.

>>16233517
This is the biggest blocker to Bitcoin.
Nobody really takes it seriously as a medium of trade.
Everyone is trying to get it into fiat again. Nobody is realistically trading bitcoin for commodities straight up, and, if they do, then it's in relation to some fiat currency.

It's really sad because bitcoin could be a vehicle for freedom, but instead, people misunderstand it and governments are already finding ways to hijack it.

>>16235799
It really just needs to scale. If you build it they will come.

>>16235862
>if you build it, they will come
That is 100% untrue or every start-up would be successful.
You can have a fantastic product, and idea, and still be unsuccessful.

>>16235907
Well then maybe Bitcoin fails, but that isn't a good reason to not try and scale it up for the big leagues.

>>16235928
Would be nice, but it has no support from grass roots, everyday people.
If we had a whole community that was trading ONLY in bitcoin, and paying taxes ONLY in bitcoin, then it would be different.

>An actual use-case aside from an investment instrument uniquely tailored for pumping and dumping on spectrum-dwellers

>>16235976
I think in the next couple of years we're going to begin seeing businesses use Bitcoin SV as a backend for some possible applications. Or other uses related getting benefits of using a blockchain despite what the price might be doing.

>>16236014
Blockchain isn't bitcoin. It's just the tech behind it.

>>16234023
>tl;dr crypto enthusiasts fucking HATE stores that accept crypto
Lmao what? That's so retarded.
>usage is bad guise!

>>16234847
>BSV faggots should be sent to work camps.
Make them power btc mines by pedalling bikes.

>>16236056
I realize that.

>>16235005
Adoption is adoption retard. Reread my post about how long checks, credit cards and fiat took to catch on.

gyft.com

>>16233517
Ar500

>>16234847
i would unironically send them to reindoctrination camps where they beat the stupid and the gay out of them

>>16236056
blockchain is worthless as tech its the least efficient form of a database its literally just a transaction log.
bitcoin uses blockchain in a unique manner to conquer the byzantine general problem in a distributed system that maintains a common ledger trustlessly. you alter any aspect and it becomes a thousand times less useful. you remove the hash which gives it security it becomes worthless.
blockchain ain't worth shit beyond bitcoin.

>>16234798
Delusion. We hit the peak blocksize and couldn't scale anymore, it was during the bubble when everyone and their cat was moving their funds between exchanges