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Poland!

>>16139626
Maybe they left cash. We do that sometimes

Imagine being American

>>16139626
BASED

Reminder tips are optional, there is law that says I am required to tip so do t get mad wagie when I leave you nothing. If you wanted guaranteed pay maybe you should try getting a different job.

>>16139626
based and neetpilled, sorry wagie slavies

>>16139626
https://www.opposingviews.com/society/waitress-gets-no-tip-decides-speak-oout

>A waitress in Colorado used social media to teach a lesson about labor in America.

>When Taylar Cordova received a tip for $0 on a bill of $187.43, she took a picture of the receipt and posted it to Facebook, reports Mic. Her post was accompanied by a passionate and articulate commentary about working as a waitress.

>Whenever you feel like it's probably fine to not tip your server, that's one more bill stacking up because they're short on money. This is food for the week that our families will go without because you didn't think it was necessary, even after asking for everything under the sun and receiving it free of charge, mind you. This is one less basic necessity my daughter needs because even TWO more dollars is too much for you.

>Every decision has a consequence. Servers are paid a base pay of $2-5/hr depending on the employer, so next time you don't want to tip, regardless of the situation prior to receiving your bill, think about how much you would have to work that week off $2-5/hr to feed your family, not just you. Could you pay your bills based on that pay alone? Could you feed your family AND yourself? Because that's what happens when you choose to not tip.

>>16139667
Imagine thinking that customers should pay your salary

>>16139626
he could have paid the tip in cash..

>>16139642
I do this at all my local places that don't have ghetto-dwellers or illegal immigrants on staff. I give giant cash tips, fuck the state.

Brit visiting American soon and genuinely concerned about the absurd tipping culture over there. Am I meant to tip the bus driver? My Airbnb host? Bar tender for every drink? Seriously I have no idea how it works or if I can afford it

>>16139680
That's the restuarant's problem

As a degenerate who used to wait tables, sucks to suck. Nothing gave me more schadenfreude than other servers who got assblasted over stiffers.

>>16139667
>think of the children
yea.. it is always about the children, refugees, climate change, pollution, minimum wage and tipping your waitress. Why should i take care of other peoples children? why can't they feed their own children, shouldn't the burden be on them, why would it ever befall on a stranger?

>>16139713
No don't tip at all. Walk up to the window where your food is placed and tip the cooks. They dont make shit. Dont fund some roastie who sucks 10 dicks a night

>>16139713
It's pretty easy, they might like a tip if it's some kin of hand and foot service. Waitress or bellhop type jobs.

>>16139713
You only tip at sit down restaurants.

>>16139667
>Servers are paid a base pay of $2-5/hr depending on the employer
Just change the law, make all server wages the same as minimum wage and the problem is solved

Is there no minimum wage in america or something?
Why have a family if you need other people to pay for it?
I'm all for a decent welfare system and happy to pay taxes for people to feed their kids temporarily but living in a world where business owners take big proffits and pay their staff $2 an hour is fucking insane!
They say you shouldn't give money to homeless people because it encourages the life style, well tipping servers encourages employers to rip off their employees and pay them less.
You have people making you proffits by working for you then you look after them.
Land of the Me home of the slave

>>16139763
The employer already is required to pay them minimum wage if they earn less then minimum wage after tips.

>>16139786
That's insufficient. Abolish the tipping wages law and make all servers paid true minimum wage as a baseline. Problem solved.

>>16139774
Minimum wage is meant to be temporary while you either find a better paying job, or start your own business. Sadly, Socialists don’t understand the concept of hard work.

>>16139763
Funny thing is most states are required to pay minimum wage base and tips on top, there's no reduced serving wage. Only a handful have the reduced wage

>>16139667
>she took a picture of the receipt and posted it to Facebook, reports Mic. Her post was accompanied by a passionate and articulate commentary about working as a waitress.

social media was a mistake and women are a meme.

As a black man, I do not feel I am obligated to pay any tips to privileged white people. In fact, it makes me feel good whenever I don't tip... equality karma.

>>16139807
Most people on biz are fascist and they refuse to "wage slave".
The laziness of modern people cant be blamed on any political beliefs.
Paying less than min wage should be illegal and all wages should be a living wage.

>>16139626
A really shitty server. Ive done it a few times when the server was barly going through motions, hating their job and fucking up multiple aspects of the meal. Tips are earned.

>>16139838
Obviously they should be paid minimum wage, but you shouldn’t complain about not being paid enough when there plenty of opportunities to make more.

>>16139855
Yep very true

>>16139713
You tip:
-servers in sit-down restaurants (not if you ordered at the counter)
-vallets
-guys who carry your bags in hotels
-supposedly cab and uber drivers but they can go fuck themselves

Here's an interesting thing: Normies don't see a point in tipping anyone that they do not see face to face. They will utilize people at Fiverr, a creative that does something for them, but they will not tip them. They might complain, ask for revisions, all while threatening the creative with a negative feedback if they are not satisfied. For every $5, users get $4. Now you go to a hotel and someone opens the front door, they will give them $1 and to the person that carries up their luggage another $1 per bag.

Normies will not even say "Thanks" if you help them out with their computer issues on a forum. They will not even bother explaining how they fixed their issues when they figure it out. They just abandon a thread. Do you think they donate? Do normies think that someone who brings you your plate and opens the door for you is worth more and struggling more than someone spending 30 minutes saving your computer or issues? A person that edits your photos, edits your essays, or does anything that actually benefits you?

FUCK NORMIES AND FUCK TIPPING CULTURE EAT SHIT AND DIE

>>16139807
It's meant to be an absolute baseline requirement for the most useless workers so that if they work their asses off (more than 40 hours a week) they can eat groceries and live with some roommates. It's not meant to protect some kind of natural right to have a house, a car, fast food 3 times a day, and entertainment money while spitting in hamburger buns for a few hours a day.

>>16139888
This is so retarded. I'd only tip the valet guy so that he doesn't scratch my lambo.
Servers in restaurants only when they deserved it.

Why should the tip be based on the cost of the meal?
If the dish slave bought me a plate of ramen noodles that cost me $2, she the she carried out a plate of wagyu beef that costs $2000 she still did the same amount of work.
Why should she get a $400 tip for the latter?

>>16139730
>Why should i take care of other peoples children? why can't they feed their own children, shouldn't the burden be on them, why would it ever befall on a stranger?
why should your mom be given access to medical care during her pregnancy? Why should another selfish, petty, chickenshit miser, such as yourself, be allowed to be brought into this world?

>>16139686
he could have left the tip on the table and a nigger swooped in and took it.

>>16139986
usually the $100 a plate restaurant has very kind and knowledgeable service workers who go the extra step to make you comfortable
the wage slave $7 a plate shit hole gets spit in your meal they purposely forget things and hate you especially if you're a white male

>>16140012
>why should your mom be given access to medical care during her pregnancy
my mom is a strong and independent woman, she doesn't need no man, nor less any strangers to pay for her medical care - she can take care of herself and her children.

>>16140032
Who gives a shit if they are kind and knowledgeable.

>>16140182
When you go to the big boy restaurants, you typically want to ask the waiters questions about the food and wines available. Hope this helps

>>16139986
It's just a system that makes sense from a practical standpoint, it incentivizes servers to pay more attention to people bringing in more revenue (and presumably can afford to tip more), while not discouraging people from coming in just to get something cheap.

>>16139626
uppity slave needs to be beaten

>>16140206
What is the internet

>>16139626
it's fine.

>>16139626
Why is it that every time this bullshit is brought up everyone fails to mention that the server gets min wage no matter what. If the server doesnt make enough from tips to earn an hourly min wage then the restaurant has to make up the rest. Its almost like theres an agenda behind it or something.

>>16139667
>Whenever you feel like it's probably fine to not tip your server, that's one more bill stacking up because they're short on money. This is food for the week that our families will go without because you didn't think it was necessary, even after asking for everything under the sun and receiving it free of charge, mind you.
Lady, rarely do people refuse to tip because they're greedy assholes. More often than not a tip is not done because you, as a waitress, did not do your job to our satisfaction. If you brought us extra napkins but huffed and acted like a snotty bitch about it, you have made your point that you, as representative of the restaurant, have no desire to help us and have no interest in our business.

Your sob story means fucking nothing, if you want the equivalent of a higher wage you have to fucking earn it.

>>16140767
No someone always does, you. You post the same thing in each of these threads no matter what board it's on.

>>16140787
Normal people still tip bad waiters, they just tip less. Incel spergs like you are the only ones who will actually tip 0 as punishment

I never go to any restaurants therefore I never tip. I must be the worst offender to them. But that way I have much more money. Sucks for the restaurant jew.

>>16139722
Don't waiter's pool tips
>t. Delivery boy master race 10 years ago

feel bad for americans and their shitty server wages. canadian servers/bartenders make like a dollar under minumum (12.50) and 15-20% tips on top. so much money for a job with zero fucking qualifications. downside being its a trap dead end job that nobody ever leaves while their life prospects dry up.

>>16140861
>incel sperg
Said the guy who thinks it's appropriate to reward someone for not doing their job solely because "shes got kids to feed guys :("

>>16139667
You're guaranteed minimum wage so even if you don't tip, assuming the waitress doesn't make minimum wage that week including salary and tips, the business has to make up the difference.
>>16139713
You have to tip literally everybody you see at least once or it's considered extremely rude. Literally everybody.
>>16139802
You should ask the waitresses how they'd feel about that. Most would tell you to fuck off since tips allow them to make much more than minimum wage.

>>16139626
Here in southern europe, if youre a regular you font have to tip. If you are tourist or visit rarely, its polite to tip up to tip up to 1 euro. If you are from a rich country you can tip more, especially if the waiter was nice and useful. Its nice to make someones day.

>>16139690
Based larping neet

>>16139667
>social shaming
lol
but one more proof that many women are not ashamed to be lowlife scum and are even proud to be such

>>16139713
its totaly same as in europe
in the "better" restaurant tip is absolute normal.
but in the fast foods, cheap restaurants its just optional.

>>16139626
As a poor burger, I almost never tip. Taking my order and bringing my drink isn't worth shit, I'd do those things myself if I could. Entitled restaurant workers can suck my dick if they want extra

>>16139667
>I have a shitty job and it's your fault.
>you need to pay me 18% more than the cost of food & labor because I did 3 minutes of work total for you

>>16139667
Americans are fucking retarded

>>16139626
smear some anti-aging cream on it next time.

>>16139713
Tip everyone to be sure. Even if a stranger gives you a compliment on the street, throw a couple bucks their way. The tip police will be watching your every move

>>16141517
this. They are getting paid to tell the cook what you want and bring the food out, and now you want to be rewarded extra for your valiant effort put forth in walking 15 steps, no thanks I'll get up and get it myself next time just yell when it's ready.

>>16139713
Frog here, everywhere I go I tip when the service is good, I give max 10 bucks though.
Never understood the amerishart meme of giving fucking 15%, I would give that to the cook if the whole thing was cheap and extremely good but no way I'll give that to a fucking waiter.

>>16139626
I've worked food service before as a burger, when you accept a food service job where tips are a possibility, you accept the greater of either the minimum wage or what the company you're working for agrees to pay you. Anything past that, so any tips from any customers is exactly what a tip is, it's an optional extra bonus that the customer chooses to pay. If you live your life in such a way that you rely on this extra, OPTIONAL, bonus that a customer is not in any way required to give to you, then you are a fucking retard.

>>16139626
Maybe the service was shit

Although I can safely say I've never had bad/rude service. Guess I'm either very lucky or very likable

>>16139888
>be American
>be born
>still have to leave a tip

>>16141644
It's worst than ever too. Now almost everywhere you go they have their hand out. Like fast food joints where they just take your order then hand it to you while you stand in line and they expect a "tip". I'm like bitch I'll tip you when I start tipping the guy at McDonald's. Shit's out of hand.

>>16139667
Any server who pulls this shit over social media should b blacklisted from the restaurant industry.

>>16139653
Based. Tipping culture allows bourgeoisie restaurant fat cats to exploit the working class (wagies)

>>16140206
>you typically want to ask the waiters questions about the food and wines available

"What's the special for today?"
"What kind of drink do you recommend?"

Yes, these questions are worth $100+.

>>16139667
>because even TWO more dollars is too much for you.
Same can be said for her. If her $2/hr job is shit, maybe she should try finding one for $4/hr.

Tipping 0 is for pussies.

Get at this level.

>>16142048
Ultimate dab on wagies

>>16141065
>fast foods
you mean burgers tip in fucking mcdonalds?

absolutely not the same as in europe

>>16139713
LMAO. I worked at Publix (grocery store) when I was younger. This was in FL, so an abundance of tourists. We were required to carry people's groceries out to their vehicles. Brits always handed me $5-20 for doing so, even though we weren't supposed to take tips. They always did it in an awkward manner. And if I turned them down, they'd seem relieved. (I eventually just started taking all tips, making an extra $50-200 per wee). It was funny, because I realized years later that the rest of the world thinks Americans require tips for everything. I bet gas station attendants got the same treatment from Brits.

>>16142059
No, we do not tip at McDonalds

>>16139713
Don't forget to clap afterwards.

>>16139722
>stiffers

>>16141517
Actually the cost of the food and labor of the chef and everyone else is lower because they assume you'll tip, Einstein.

From a "contracts" perspective:

The contract is between you as as customer and the business. You pay for food and the price includes it being served to you.

There is a contract between the business owner and the waiter. The owner pays for for the worker's labor.

That's all that is legally owed between parties. If any part of those contracts that are broken/not fulfilled, then one party can sue the other.

Tipping is a type of "social contract." There's no legal obligation, but cultural/social obligation. People can apply as much social pressure as they want, but parties can't sue.

>>16142257
Yes, but if people keep shirking this social contract, prices will inevitably rise on every food and drink item to cover it. So basically, you're paying the tip one way or the other, cheapskates

>>16142205
>and everyone else is lower because they assume you'll tip, Einstein
Ask me how I know you have never managed anything, will never manage anything, are poor, and financially illiterate.

>>16142293
I've worked in restaurant management before. This is how it works. Ask me how I know you are an angsty teen

>>16142048
based

>>16142308
Prove it and I cut up 40 euro and post it here.

>>16142025
>poorfag who never eats quality food

>>16139667

It'd be funny if someone recognized the bill and was like 'hey check the footage someone gave her a $100 bill' and they find out she hasn't been reporting her cash income. This has to have happened before somewhere.

>>16142352
>she hasn't been reporting her cash income.
I bet 99% of waitresses don't report their cash income, or lie about it.

>>16139667

WHERE IS YOUR HUSBAND WHORE

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>>16142290

The first 2 contracts are voluntary. That means people freely choose to interact with each other. There's no force involved.

If government gets involved and sets a minimum wage, then coercion is involved. Suddenly one party (the restaurant owner) is forced to do something he doesn't want to, at the point of a gun. If he doesn't comply with minimum wage law, then he will be fined, and if he continues not complying, he's thrown in jail.

Government intervention may benefit you as a waiter, but the long term consequences, and unintended consequences will hurt everyone, including you. E.g. restaurants fire workers to cut costs, or develop new technology - like McDonalds installing touch screen menus to reduce employees taking orders. Also menu prices go up - everyone has to pay higher prices at all restaurants - and this includes the waiter who eats out at other restaurants.

>>16139626
I generally don't tip women, they don't need it as they can acquire anything with little to no effort, and they like to throw money away on really stupid shit

>>16142406
It won't be the government you sperg. Restaurants are just going to increase their prices.

>>16142463

Think it through. Waiter wages are low because there are 6.8 billion people on the planet who can do the same job. If a waiter demands more money without sales going up in a meaningful way, the restaurant owner can fire him and get a new waiter. Restaurant owners want to keep costs down, and can only afford to pay higher wages if sales are going up.

Another way to look at it is - wages for being a software engineer at google are very high because only a few million people can do that job.

Without government getting involved to set minimum wages, there's more pressure on wages to stay low in the restaurant industry.

>>16139626
Defend not being in Gravel Gang

>>16142382

I know the IRS can use classification codes to run your income against others in your field for anyone that's an outlier if they really pushed their underreporting.

I also believe they companies are suppose to be tracking the tips anyways.

That being said it wouldn't surprise me if it's a vast issue. Thus, Stacy complaining about tipping is ripping off all of us anyways.

>>16139667
>every decision has a consequence

Yeah, like choosing to work a piece of shit job on poverty wages when you're a washed up single mother

>>16139667
I'm not responsible for her getting a living wage. She is.
>Could you feed your family AND yourself?
Nope. That's why I'm not a waiter.

>>16142084
Well, why the fuck not? They're low paid service staff, I thought they NEED tips to live, or something.

Look, just do one of two things. Either make tipping mandatory, I.e. factor it into the cost of the service. Or make tipping absolutely optional, so its reserved for truly excellent service that goes above and beyond. Not this retarded game of "guess what number is in my head - guessed wrong, now I'm going to go crying on Twitter and dox your miserly ass"

>>16139838
>all wages should be a living wage

So a 17 year old flipping burgers and living with parents should earn as much as a groundskeeper supporting a wife and kid and paying a mortgage?

There is no single definition of baseline "living wage".

>>16139730
Pedophrasty
>Definition: Argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like an asshole, as people are defenseless and suspend all skepticism in front of suffering children: nobody has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting. Often done with the aid of pictures.

All wages should be whatever the employer and employee agree to, that's it.

If the wage is too low for the employee, then the employee can choose not to enter the contract.

If the wage is too high for the employer, then the employer can choose not to offer the job.

There should be no guarantees for a "living" wage.

If an employer makes $7 per hour worked in sales, then an employee has to cost less than $7 per hour - say $6. The $1 difference is what the business owner earned by putting ass on the line - he's risking everything by running a business. But say the government says he has to pay $8 an hour. Now the business owner loses $1 every hour. Keep running a business like this, losing, and the business fails. There's no company providing a service, and there's no job for the employee.

>>16139667
Servers are paid minimum wage. Their hourly wage goes down according to tips. If you do not tip then the hourly wage goes up to compensate. Waitresses and waiters do not like non tippers bc they are already making 2x minimum wage.

You are not obligated to tip. If waitresses want to ensure making 2x minimum wage then they need to learn a trade that guarentees that wage. Otherwise, they consent to a job with wage fluidity.

https://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

If wait staff lives in any state higher than $2, they can fuck off

>>16139626
>pay employee wage by patronizing establishment
>employee expects additional money for performing their basic duties
No. I only "tip" cute girls I might ask for a number. Male waiters and uglies oldies or fatties are out of luck.

Nobody deserves $20 an hour to carry plates of food.

>>16140406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrwQ9G4epys

was he right?

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>>16144157
This has nothing to do with Gravel Gang

>>16144082
>implying you would ever have the balls to ask your waitress out
Fucking sperg

>>16143735
Ah yes this old argument which is completely invalidated by the constant influx of cheap foreign labor which drives the negotiating power of native citizens to fuck all, leaving them with a choice to either starve and live in a box or accept wages just high enough to not be homeless but low enough to be a literal slave for the rest of their lives.

>>16143742
That's literally not how that works, you just said a bunch of bullshit to justify being retarded.

>>16139626
I see nothing wrong with this
get a real job were you do not have to beg people for money you're already getting paid hourly faggot.

See below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrwQ9G4epys

This thread was exactly the shitstorm I expected. The only correct answer is that it is not our job to pay your fucking salary on top of paying for our meal, bitch. Blame your boss.

>>16139667
Didnt read, not tipping

>>16139626
Tip cucks please explain why tip needs to be higher for a plate with a steak than a single plate with a salad on it?
In Japan tipping is considered an insult to the waiters.

>eating out
Not going to make it

>>16139626
Tipping is a good incentived pay structure.

Like anything else, it would work better if we got rid of the niggers

>>16145221
Because a steak weighs more than romaine salad, obviously. Heavy plates are tough on your joints and you could develop carpal tunnel. The least you can do is tip so I can buy more weed to alleviate my pain.

>>16141588
Based

I don't have to

i spit in all of my customers food so i get every person that doesnt tip

>>16145353
This is why I never go out to eat. I'll make my own food, thanks niggers.

I write "cash" in the tip line so that the waiter knows if someone grabbed their tip off of the table before they could get to it.

>>16139667
muh famalia

I never go to restaurants. You can cook much better food at home.

>>16139667
Good thing I live in a state that doesn't do this bullshit to waiters/waitresses.

>>16141928
>be american
>be born
>man sneaks into your hospital bed and steals your foreskin
>your parents tip him

i’m fuckin sick and tired of these fast food and coffee places that install this ipad app that asks if you want to tip or not during the transaction.
I’m going to the counter, ordering my food, and then wait until they call my number so i can go and pick it up myself. Who the fuck am i tipping?

i’m fuckin sick and tired of these fast food and coffee places that install this ipad app that asks if you want to tip or not during the transaction.
I’m going to the counter, ordering my food, and then wait until they call my number so i can go and pick it up myself. Who the fuck am i tipping? the bitch that punched three buttons on the screen or the cook?

only tip a waitress should ever get is your dick.

>>16145654
I completely agree. Speak with your wallet and stop going to those places. That's what I do.

>>16140893
They're still cunts and fucking suck at their job here. Can't remember the last time they brought me water in a clean glass or actually remembered to do something right. They suck

>>16145654
I'll start tipping with those apps the day I start tipping the guy at McDonald's. That is never.

>>16139626
Waitresses are the most entitled people in the fucking world. They all pretend their working for below minimum when in reality they take home an additional $7-13 per hour on top of a barely below minimum wage hourly. I'm sick of hearing them throw tantrums because someone didn't tip that week, when in reality it was likely because they found the food or service poor. These people have the same qualifications & perform the same labour as the kid working at burger king. I've lost all empathy for this shit & don't see any point in tipping them anymore considering how much they actually take home.

>>16140888
Depends on the place, but places that pool tips usually take a percentage of gross earnings to give to bussers, barbacks and other BOH staff. For instance, if a restaurant's tipout percentage is 4% and a server does $1000 in gross sales, earning themselves roughly $200, they would have to give $40 back for tipout. Never had a problem with it myself, those dudes worked way harder than I ever did, but I met plenty of servers who balked at the idea that someone there was working harder than them.

>>16139667
Tipping should be banned across the entire state or turn it into a crime with a punishment of death penalty.

>>16139626
server gave terrible service. up your game fucker

>>16139626
Here's a tip, crime and liberal arts only pay for those who were rich to begin with

>>16146347
This is a 18+ board

>>16139736
So jobs than can be done by a conveyor belt and a notepad?

>>16139713
You only tip delivery drivers, cab drivers, restaurant staff, and police officers/school teachers since the last two are the most underpaid