/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16040806
China will never be on par or surpass the united states and their selfish greed and struggles of displacing the US will only be a force of destabilization and suffering in the world. They can cook numbers like GDP all they want, its simply not possible to use a communist command structure in the global economy. They dont have the land to feed their people, the economies and resources to drive growth, they dont have the institutions or the talent, they're entirely dependent on foreign economies and foreign resources. Growth that happens in China is a result of taking it from somewhere else, and from what we've seen over the last decades this has been taken by clandestine non-reciprocal means.

>>16040806
The second cold war. It will be good for innovation.

Fuck China and fuck chink lovers

>>16041111
But what if they stop being communists? Xi would merely need to eliminate the communist party to take full control of China. From there its as easy as slowly brainwashing Europeans to breed with shitskins. In time China could easily become the next world power for the next 200 years.

>>16040806
Fuck China, but if you alienate your Eurofrens we will be in a very sad world soon.

>>16041111
You do realize that they don't have a communist command structure of their economy right? They're state capitalist, just like the USSR. Centrally planned economies always fail, which is why even socialists don't have it.

>>16041208
>They're state capitalist, just like the USSR.
No, it's totally different from the USSR

if the US doesnt kill china's economy within the next 10 years it's over for the US empire.
but dont worry, we will see WW3 before that happens

>>16041178
CCP will have to be removed by force. And She won't do it. She has only increased the power and control of the CCP over China since he was elected.

>>16041208
>They're state capitalist, just like the USSR.
They're communists dude. Every company that grows to a certain size has to join the CCP. Its literally called the Chinese COMMUNIST party. The entire fucking thing is communist. They try to look as liberal democratic as they can to fool retarded western politicians into working with them. But theyre communists.

>>16041111
Lol @ the fuckin burger cope of this man

>>16041267
it's not a completely planned economy

>>16041271
move to china where you belong bitch

>>16041267
>Every company that grows to a certain size has to join the CCP.
That's not how it works in practice.

>>16041301
>That's not how it works in practice.
[citation needed]

>>16041111
You do realize their authoritarianism is exactly what will propel them to greater innovation? They have monetary incentive since they're not fully communist (unlike the USSR), with the state being able to direct the flow of resources.
China is already ahead in certain areas of AI thanks to this, while congress is eager to block innovation like Libra. Meanwhile they praise companies like Apple for releasing the same phone year after year with minuscule improvements. Truly innovative.

China does have their own problems, but Americans will fall sorely behind if they believe China is anything like the USSR. They will also suffer if they don't recognize the vast problems within their own society.

>>16041198
Fuck you. Every time I see a eurofag's posts it's a pissing contest that devolves into /Pol/-tier threads. Then you have the gal to call me bootlicker or an ameriphile or whatever the fuck you come up with. And don't get me started on our retarded governments. Having Americans save us twice was a mistake.

>>16041307
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform

>>16041275
There already have been multiple cases where white men have been taken out of there homes and put into jail for long periods of time while having there fucking rights violated just for making jokes on facebook. Yet here you are saying that china is bad when they do the same exact shit here.

>>16041275
Meanwhile in burgerstan you dont even get a knock at the door, just shot straight through the window, murdered while crawling on the floor listening to police commands or shot while sitting in your own fucking house wondering what the fuck some woman is doing in their home.

Your country is more of a police state than is China bro. To make matters worse you worship cops like heroes there.

>One post by OP
>13 Retards engage in bumping a bait thread
You should all consider suicide

>>16041330
>Meanwhile they praise companies like Apple for releasing the same phone year after year with minuscule improvements
This is to cover for the fact that China is abusing international relations so that the US has to put up tariffs. And China is also looking to displace apple share in China in favor of CCP controled companies.
>>16041330
>You do realize their authoritarianism is exactly what will propel them to greater innovation?
What technologies have they dont that have changed the world? Literally all the tech they do is for positive press attention to cover for their nightmarish totalitarian regime and non-reciprocal intentions. All the tech comes from the west. China has been stealing a ton of IP for decades BTW only stopped recently.
>>16041330
>They have monetary incentive since they're not fully communist (unlike the USSR), with the state being able to direct the flow of resources.
That is still communism.
>>16041330
>China is already ahead in certain areas of AI thanks to this
No. They're using tech created in the west in china. That is literally it.
>>16041330
>congress is eager to block innovation like Libra
Well yeah, because its worse than the fed and IMF which is already pretty bad.

>>16041385
you especially
kill yourself no life

>>16041346
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform
It literally says it right here retard:
>Under Party general secretary Xi Jinping and his administration, the Communist Party of China has sought to increase its control over state-owned and private enterprises.

>>16041330
They cheat the numbers superhard, like any other communistic country in the past. Also, what allows them to do this, is the huge amount of knowledge (mostly in the field of engineering and computing) they get from the West, like Europe and America. It isn't hard to realize how this could be stopped.
It's sad really but if Americans finally accept that the idea of happy and co-joined idea of the world failed because of outsiders, it gets super easy. Most of the world was not ready for this. Europe and America is a different place to live for a reason.

>>16040806
Prayers!

>>16041397
>>nder Party general secretary Xi Jinping and his administration
This is very recent. Keep in mind that it's been a free market economy since the 1980s.

>>16041355
The west doesnt do this nearly to the same degree as China. And people in the west have power to rise up and challenge things like this. You cant expect things like this to not happen unless its spelled out explicitly in law and the people hold the government accountable. But this hasnt happened, yet. At some point in the future there will be ammendments to the constitution likely which spell out citizen rights of their information and data.

>>16041375
Dont extend what happens to degenerate losers to the general public.

>>16041420
>Keep in mind that it's been a free market economy since the 1980s.
hahaha no. Sorry bud you've been lied to and ill just say it you're an idiot for thinking China is free market. They manipulate things just enough to let their people engage in the world economy while the CCP retains total control.

>>16040806
The US has already lost.

>>16041267
>doesn't know the definition of 'communist', the post

>>16041391
>>16041382
How is this thread bait? Fuck off otherwise.

>>16041465
Lol no. The US literally sneezed and China reeled and is suddenly posting 6% growth in a GROWTH AT ALL COSTS model which is pathetic.

>>16041471
holy fuck there are so many retards ITT
China explicitly calls itself communist.
THE CCP IS COMMUNIST AND IS THE ONLY PARTY IN CHINA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
>At present, states controlled by Marxist–Leninist parties under a single-party system include the People's Republic of China, Cuba, Laos, and Vietnam.

>>16041208
>Centrally planned economies always fail
Except for all the organizations that internally operate without it.
Any multinational corporation, like Walmart or Chevron, operates just fine without internal an internal market system.
The Chinese military is the single most populated organization in the history of the world and doesn't need market makers.

>>16041458
>you're an idiot for thinking China is free market
It's less regulated than the US.
China has less regulations than the US.

>They manipulate things just enough to let their people engage in the world economy while the CCP retains total control.
You could say the same for the US government. Every Western economy is somehow influenced by the state.
A good measure of economic freedom is the amount of regulations you have to comply with when setting up a business. China has less regulations than the average Western nation.
Notice I'm talking about ECONOMIC freedom, not social freedom.

>>16041428
>. And people in the west have power to rise up and challenge things like this.
Americans have become the most docile people on earth. They have been replaced right in front of their eyes for nearly a half century and have done NOTHING about it.
Maybe I'm just a stupid europoor, but somehow I don't think Jamal and Pablo will live up to their (anglo) founding fathers.

>One post by OP
>Thoughts
>Filename
>Bait macro
>Not bait
Found the sub 70 IQ shitskin/chinknew fag bumping bait threads UNIRONICALLY

>>16041398
this

>>16041477
The growth metrics you're used to measuring the US with don't apply to China.
Just look at the number of US companies already culturally cowtowing to the CCP around Hong Kong.
If Xi wanted to crush America, he could.
Then he could put his own populace to work on another five year plan and no one would bat a wink.

>>16041501
Have you been paying attention to the last 3-4 years? Things have changed, retarded boomers are retiring and being outpaced by millennials who are looking up and saying "wtf have you idiots been doing?"

>>16041501
Uniting the US is a huge task and neccessary as well. At this point, the European Union and the USA must and should be actual allies, and while this is a problem "domestically", the vultures will keep flying around, looking for the occasional weak spot.

>>16041529
>The growth metrics you're used to measuring the US with don't apply to China.
I know. Thats why we say china cooks their books. Take GDP for instance. China just pumps their money velocity up to make their economy look stronger. But nothing is actually happening the exchanges are just happening on paper through instruments controlled by the CCP. In the US when money changes hands its legitimate.

>>16041550
>In the US when money changes hands its legitimate.
oh sweetie

>>16041534
>Things have changed
The demographics don't lie. You cannot reverse half century demographic changes in 3-4 years, unless you're resorting to genocide. There is no real change beyond rumblings on the internet. The demographic makeup of the USA has been forever altered and I don't think it bodes too well for America.

>>16041535
I'm not sure there is much to unite.

>>16041428
>The west doesnt do this nearly to the same degree as China
YEs they do specially to WN. They also use corporations to push there unpersoning.
> people in the west have power to rise up
no we dont and that will never happen.
>amendments to the constitution likely which spell out citizen rights of their information and data.
no there wont be. You are hilarious naive if you actually believe any of that shit will ever fucking happen you must be high

>>16041590
It'll happen. We've only had a decade or two at most of mass data exploitation. As more and more people understand what is going on they'll demand from their representatives protections and rights on this.
And WN is totally unrealistic.
>>16041570
Demographics right now have stabilized.

>>16041562
Yeah the banking system is retarded but that is more the result of the american people been swindled into voting for Obummer who shipped real producing jobs overseas and gave the banks and other too big to fail companies a check which they just turned around and invested into themselves. That guy was a fucking idiot.

>>16041534
>eing outpaced by millennials who are looking up and saying "wtf have you idiots been doing?"
Its to fucking late for us to do jack shit demographics have fucked us thanks to boomers and most normies in the US arent willing to actually take action against people in the US cause of MUH feeels.
>>16041629
>they'll demand from their representatives protections and rights on this
Its not going to happen. You don't understand the demographic changes and the ability of the US government to justify those means by terrorism or say WN are terrorist so they need these projects. ITs already fucking happening you retard.
>And WN is totally unrealistic.
Its not unrealistic if white people would wake the fuck up but i dont think its gonna happen. Neither will your idea of DEMAND MUH PRIVACY.
>Demographics right now have stabilized.
They aren't whites are 56% in the US which is changing drastically as every day moves forward.

>>16041441
>>16041428
How do you know that bitch wasn't a degenerate?
If Americans were ever going to do shit they would have done it by now. Instead they treat the second amendment as if it were meant for nothing more than fun at the shooting range. None of them would ever dare shoot corrupted jew politician because the 2nd amendment is for fun not for murdering the government.

>>16041489
If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck and calls itself a human what is it?

What is it sir I'm lost for words