/biz/ - Business & Finance

It's good for the rich
Decreases value of labor and increases workforce

>>15845278
Depends what you mean under "economy". If you mean "keeping banks and corporations afloat short-term", it's great. It completely and utterly destroys a country after 2 to 3 decades tho.

>>15845278
Pretty bad, both short and long term. As others have pointed out it contributes to the boom bust cycle, lower wages, higher cost of living, etc.

There's a reason why your average leftist supports it

>>15845278
depends.
unassimilating migration isn't, because it's a drain on welfare and creates social problems.
all non-european emigrants in europe should/must go back, even the ones that were born here, their parents aren't from here, they don't belong here.

>>15845278
Probably depends on a multitude of factors IE intelligence of the people you're bringing in, what industries they're experts in if any, what the country actually needs, etc. Good for the economy how exactly? When people talk about "the economy" it feels like when some blue hair talks about "our society".

What the fuck does this even mean? Housing? Inflation? Living expenses vs recreational expenditure ability? Job availability? For instance, what good does it do to have millions of available jobs if all of them pay absolute garbage and buying a load of bread uses up an hour's worth of your time waging?

On the whole I don't think immigration is ever good in any circumstance for the wellbeing of the people who inhabit any country. Every argument I've heard for immigration is batshit retarded.

>They'll do the jobs people don't want to do!
People don't want to be a fucking leaf raker because the pay is garbage. Ask yourself honestly if you believe that there aren't hordes of teenagers that would kill to rake leaves for 15/hr while a mcjob is paying $12/hr. But mexicans will not only do it for minimum wage, they'll try to make deals working for less than that under the table. How do you compete with free labor?
>Well, we can import intelligent immigrants!
Oh yea? Cool, now you have H1B street shitters taking all of your valuable high paying jobs for peanuts while Microsoft rakes in trillions.

Somebody please give me a single reason why immigration is actually a good thing in the LONG RUN for any country?

>>15845310
>There's a reason why your average leftist supports it
because they get voted in based on promises of "increasing wages and lowering the cost of living"?

>>15845319
what if all major countries are doing this at the same time though?

>>15845338
.. I don't understand your question.. If they are all doing it then it's even worse.

>>15845338
Every left leaning candidate in recent history I've seen anyway has made their appeals for candidacy based on giving out free shit and "supporting minorities"

>>15845363
Remember when gay marriage bans had bipartisan support? How did things in this country change so fast?

>>15845278
In regards to skilled labor (engineers) For the USA? Yes.

But not for the reasons /biz/ (4chan) brainlets think.

Immigration as practiced in the USA is an economic policy originally implemented to combat the soviets. If we didn't brain the best minds in the world, they could.

When you run the numbers, skilled labor brain drain is a win win for the destination country (USA). We take away smarties in other countries while at the same time keeping the USA competitive, boosting GDP, keeping other countries in check, etc.. Why be an eastern european/nigerian/communist chinese living in your corrupt shithole with worse life prospects when the USA will accept you?

TLDR: Brain drain allows the USA to stay competitive while also holding the rest of the world back. It's an economic policy/tactic that works.

In regards to Unskilled labor? No.

>>15845468
Based as fuck

>>15845414
From the internet. People underestimate just how much the internet has changed all of humanity as a whole because it completely eliminates the ability to hide information in 99.99% of the time. You would assume this to be a good thing and I do, but it's a double edge sword because people by nature are mostly followers. When you get a loud voice and make it SEEM like the majority, most humans will simply agree with that point of view because:

1) It's easier to agree with everyone
2) You won't stand out for having a different opinion
3) You receive social validation for feigned agreement with other people

This is why memes are so effective. All somebody has to do to break the cycle and fuck everything up is say something controversial most people won't openly admit to believing themselves, or some truth that everyone pretends to be false. Then you twist it in some funny manner and eventually through the power of the internet where we can all share ideas anonymously eventually it bleeds out into normal society becoming the common thought.

It's also the reason why unique and forward thinking people are found in places like these. Because there are many of us and we can talk freely like this we can all come together and find the best possible solutions to every problem (social Darwinism at play) But I'm just rambling at this point

Give it 5 years and you'll see some serious shit

>>15845468
Unfortunately this isn't actually practiced and the immigrants we ACTUALLY get are the latter. Although it does dilute the earning potential of technical jobs. It's good in the long run if we're competing with other countries but if you're talking about better for individual people any form of immigration by it's very nature is going to devalue many things from simple supply and demand.

Yes

>>15845287

This. It depends what class you are in.

> upper
good

> middle
depends

> lower
bad

generally immigrants are gonna take lower class jobs which is just more competition for the lower class citizens. This is somewhat offset by the consumption of goods and services by immigrants, but since they tend to live cheaply and put many people under one roof the gain does not outweigh the struggle added to lower class citizens.

>>15845528
Yes, the USA does have issues with unskilled labor immigration. However, you are incorrect in regards to skilled labor immigration.

Skilled labor immigration policy (i.e. brain drain) is very much practiced by the USA and we are not talking about your "individual" feelings in regards to assimilation issues. We are talking about the societal pros/cons after running the numbers.

A disproportionate amount of first-gen chinese, indians, and eastern europeans are well, well represented within

-US military r&d facilities
-Engineering (aerospace, aeronautic, mechanical)
-Silicon valley

Without them here in the USA, the russians, indians, pakistanis, iranians, chinese, etc. would have better weapon tech, software development abilities... better societies w/ more smart folks taking risks, potentially creating jobs, and potentially solving internal corruption issues. The USA effectively brain drains the shit out of specific industries in other countries for both economic reasons and to slow down their entire development.

Judging by the networth topics that appear here from time to time, 95%+ of the board has less than 3k networth. Extrapolating a bit futher, folks here have no idea about skilled labor immigration because they do not work in STEM.

Now, who wants an Iranian nuclear scientist siding with the USA and not against us? Rhetorical.

THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY WITHOUT IMMIGRATION

THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY WITH IMMIGRATION

nòoooooo, they bombing for allah and the pedo muhhammmmed, fucking ahmeds remove this kebab from Europe

MORE MORE MORE

HIGHER, FASTER, BIGGER

WE MUST PAY OUR BOOMER LAND DEVELOPER OVERLORDS

>>15845491
What do you think we’ll see in five years?

Holohoax deniers and racial realists in the mainstream?

>>15845786

>Now, who wants an Iranian nuclear scientist siding with the USA and not against us? Rhetorical.

Yeah, because all of those respective ethnicities don't pose security risks once they reach high level positions with access to proprietary information.

>>15845879

>Holohoax deniers and racial realists in the mainstream?

Not the same poster but yes, I believe. But the right won't be the only ones - you'll start to see even more anger and rage from the left, as well. Full-on communists, "kill the rich" and "kill whitey" types will be there as well.

Holy fuck did Bernier bomb this debate. He was god awful and I felt embarrassed the whole time.

>>15845335
If births are declining GDP will likewise begin to shrink and more government revenue will have to go towards pensions and healthcare expenditure which stresses an economic and government model that depends upon perpetual positive growth. Select immigration of skilled proffesionals will help offset this.

>>15845278
Yes obviously, imagine the US economy circa 1776

>>15845278
Yes, because more workers means more profit for the rich.

That being said economy isn’t everything what good is it being a slave of the Jew. Much rather have my own lands and be master of my own domain in a white dominated society

>>15845879
I hope so. Time for white awakening

>>15845728
That is retarded and you are retarded.

The influx of immigrants doing grunt work is what helped Lower Middle Class individuals
cross over to Typical Middle Class. It is how the Blue Collar Johnny turns manager; Off the
willing slave labour of immigrants who do not have the legal rights to progress in society.

For the Middle Class, it is not good at all as the qualified experienced immigrant degreeholders
directly compete with them head-to-head in every market sector and you will find these new
emigrants to be a lot more hungry, willing and vicious.

For the Upper Middle Class, it doesn't affect them. In fact, it is a net benefit.
Lower labour costs, bigger talent pool & more wealth to exploit.

For the Govt, you are getting the Cream of Crop from other countries.
Sure, they do come with pests mixed in between.
But when push comes to shove, you can eliminate them anytime, anywhere.

>>15845310
bullshit! Tin foil hat wearing flat eather brainlet detected.
Guaranteed his descendants were immigrants looking for a better life

>>15845278

In the context of Canada, It's meant to prop up the ponzi scheme the boomers were supposed to inherit and prevent deflation.

>>15846309
So we get the inevitable reckoning AND a country saturated with chinks and poos. That’s fantastic

>>15846154
>If births are declining GDP will likewise begin to shrink and more government revenue will have to go towards pensions and healthcare expenditure which stresses an economic and government model that depends upon perpetual positive growth. Select immigration of skilled proffesionals will help offset this.
this just makes the problem even bigger

>>15846461
Then throw them out

>>15846252
you are a fucking retarded ass nigger. Immigrants takes jons AND resources at every level. Even lying cheating dotheads with fake degrees are C level at fortune 500 scamcorps. Fuck them lock the boborder. Depopulate the niggers and pseudoniggers. Eliminate jews from all government. Bash the browns in the skull

>>15846509
I’m not sure how I could even begin

>>15845278
Short run: yes. It's cheap labor.
Long run: no, unless your migrants come from developed countries.

The United States foreign born population is some of if not the highest it has ever been in the nation's entire history and it's quality of life, average income, economic productivity has only decreased for the past half century.

>>15845278
Depends on if your immigrants are skilled, civilized europeans, or savage tribal mohammadans or spics

>>15845287
and because third worlders do shit work but are guaranteed the same minimum wage as someone who does good work, devalues the currency
making the stacks of money that the rich have worth less
making the rich poorer, in addition to people in the middle and lower classes who either work wage jobs or participate in the economy to any degree at all poorer
basically, immigration—if only because of the socialist policies that they benefit from at our expense, though you could also argue immigrants would commit more crime against whites regardless of socialist policies—makes everyone poorer

today's rich—people who got rich in the ongoing keynesian economy, which is a meritocracy of social manipulation and cronyism rather than a meritocracy of wealth production—are of such mediocre intellect at large that they genuinely don't understand this

>>15845879
I could certainly see a lot of people with stronger opinions than our current political candidates. I also think that the start of the decline as far as things like housing prices, economic recession, and a lot of other fears people currently have will start to appear sometime around the next elections. I don't really have any reason to believe it will other than a gut feeling I guess.

If something were to happen, literally anything at all. It will be either during the next election or the one following it assuming Trump gets re-elected.

>>15846816
>making the stacks of money that the rich have worth less
Retarded poorfag

>>15847017
yeah yeah "the rich have everything in assets" okay and what do they get when they sell those assets to buy other assets? stupid fucking dollars that buy them less fucking shit than what it could have bought them, because the country of the world's greatest innovators and creators is increasingly a keynesian shithole that's selling these people's futures out for the delusion of wealth, so there's less actual wealth being made and everyone is poorer
my message still applies; go fuck yourself

>>15845278
Immigrants tend to send money back to their families in their native country. That's the problem Europe is having with the Muslims.

>>15845278
yes, but now you should ask: is a perpetually growing economy good or even possible?

>>15845468
This would be true if it weren't for a few things.
> Citizenship raffles
Yes they're a fucking thing. We basically have a lotto system for which African niggers we're going to get.
> Countries have caught on
A lot of countries completely forge documents to get them here, most notably China and India.
> Refugees
Literally the poorest of the poor and downtrodden get special spots in the front of the line. Brain drain is entirely a valid strategy, we're just not at all doing it right.

Why would you ask this question when Germany is basically in recession? Obviously it didnt work

>>15845295
>keeping banks and corporations afloat
what do you mean with afloat guys?

>>15845310
>lower wages, higher cost of living
why immigrants lead to higher cost of living?

>>15845278
Yes, Without H1B visa 'Mericas IQ/innovation would drop substantially

>>15845287
implying third worlders work.

>>15845278
It's suicide in both the long and the short term.
Especially in Europe with its far-reaching immediate social benefits, new immigrants tend to be a drain on society, and it does not get much better with the subsequent generations.

>>15846492
America can close itself off from the world if it wishes, but it's influence and relevance on the world stage would steadily erode to the benefit of it's adversaries, until the day that said adversaries become powerful enough to impose their will upon us.

>>15845278
Depends if its a motivated group of people migrating with actual knowledge, skills, and talents, or people who just want gibs.

>>15845278
Ultimately, no. Skilled or unskilled, it hurts both their home country with brain and workforce drain, and the host country because they are usually willing to work for less than the natives.

>>15845278
The answer is incredibly simple
>If immigrant white
Good

>If immigrant non-white
Bad