/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15652695
based

Nice, I saw it yesterday. His recent discussion with the economics professor Prof Keen is also pretty kino

https://bico.media/348b123c188b1fa0517a3c0d9650f1435ddad0000a548fd3c343df32e271136e

>>15653063
on chain streaming... and all the stuff on that pic and way more in the drawer... and the price is just at 122....I´m so fucking speechless. I´m all in and would love to buy more, but cant.

base creg

>>15653196
It's a clown world

>>15653063
>https://bico.media/348b123c188b1fa0517a3c0d9650f1435ddad0000a548fd3c343df32e271136e
Holy shit, I knew we had onchain storage but i've never actually tried to download from it before, but I need to put this in VLC player and watch at 2x speed(my autism doesnt allow me to watch shit at 1x, it's too slow lol) but holy fuck that downloaded fast, maybe 30 seconds.

>>15653196
>>15653353
Compare this to BTC, it's a complete joke that a fork of Bitcoin that can only handle 7tx/s is $10,000 and the true Bitcoin which can do this is only $120, clown world

>>15654004
what is bsv transaction per second ?

>>15653063
>>15653196
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>>15654004
>hurr durr muh onchain shcaleability
>muh twetch
>why market so stupid. me so smart. why am I poor?
>the market is WRONG not me!

>>15654309
>https://bitcoinblocks.live/
2 per second. and thats with weathersv and all their shitty apps spamming the chain. nobody uses this shitcoin except q boomer and redditors

>>15654309
2000 currently
then we're going on our way to millions per second next year after genesis upgrade

>>15653063
so wait some faggot uploaded this to the BSV spamchain and now everyone can download it for free? brb Ima write a script to download this over adn over again effectively bankrupting the BSV mining industry.

>>15654479
>Ima write a script to download this over adn over again effectively bankrupting the BSV mining industry

>>15654506
Im legit retarded but on streamanity you have to pay to watch it. so how can I download it for free from the spamchain? legit looking for answers here pls no bully

>>15654530
someone paid to encode the data on the blockchain it is now there forever, freely accessible

>>15654539
but arent miners providing the bandwidth? sombeodys gotta pay for this shit to be hosted no?

>>15654530
streamanity is youtube with payments direct to creators.
it doesn't store videos on chain (not yet anyway)

>>15654327
this lmfao
these bsv shills are sub 80 iQ, all of them

>>15654548
>sombeodys gotta pay for this shit to be hosted no?
You are absolutely correct, and even BSV people fail to understand this (with the exception of Craig and nChain). In the future you cannot expect miners to serve you for free. Why the hell should they? There is no law saying they have to. They can even prune the chain if they want to and there is nothing you can do about it. Pruning is explained in the White Paper ffs. All you need to mine new blocks is the previous block hash and the utxo. People are stupid and think that by uploading shit to the chain they have paid for storage and free access for all time. They will be shocked when the truth hits them.

>>15654548
It's not necessarily miners, with scale there will be businesses that service data off the blockchain for a fee. At the moment this type of data is being serviced off the protocol layers on top of bitcoin you see in the bottom of this image >>15653063

>>15654618
doesnt really sound immutable or censorship proof to me desu senpai

>>15654618
btw I tried asking this on their subplebbit but they are too busy jerking each other off over qanon and bch social media bullshit. if miners can prune the blockchain than whats the point of this entire thing, theyre always marketing it as censorship resistant and what not. but miners can simply be forced to delete content through court orders no? I cant find any info on how this is supposed to work and most BSVers dont really understand their own project unfortunately.

>>15654794
>doesnt really sound immutable
It is immutable in that you can't change it. You can delete it yes, but not change it.

>or censorship proof
It isn't censorship proof. People are blinded by ideology and it keeps them from understanding bitcoin in the real world.

>but miners can simply be forced to delete content through court orders no?
Yes, no doubt. Government still as monopoly on force/violence. Nothing is changed there. What is filtered will change from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In Saudi they might filter porn, in germany they might filter nationalists.

>I cant find any info on how this is supposed to work
The only place to find real info on Bitcoin is from Satoshi himself. Yes that is Craig, no I'm no pajeet.
https://craigwright.net/

>most BSVers dont really understand their own project
So true and it is so tiresome. It is a little bit better in the bsv camp than bch and btc, but not much

>>15654873
>It is a little bit better in the bsv camp
nah most sv tards are blithering retards and there are a few vengeful ex-btc maxis who are butthurt about adoption being slow and limited.

>>15654633
it always comes back to paying for previously free (and better performing) services with sv. pay to post, pay to send an email, pay to view a webpage, pay to download a file, pay to click with your mouse! who the fuck needs that? especially with 10 minute block times. wait 10 minutes to save your spreadsheet and pay for the privilege! retards...

>>15654902
>nah most sv tards are blithering retards and there are a few vengeful ex-btc maxis who are butthurt about adoption being slow and limited.
Agreed. I'm not a pshycologists, but it's as though they have resentment and ptsd from the forks

>>15654916
>it always comes back to paying for previously free
If you think anything online is free, you are not even part of the grown-up discussion. You have the narrow world view of a child. I will not respond to anymore of your posts

>>15654813
>I cant find any info on how this is supposed to work
Here's three articles that touch on this. He probably has a lot more on it, but I just browsed the 10 first pages of his blog

https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/reversing-illicit-transactions-on-bitcoin-is-simple/
https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/btc-and-censorship/
https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/myths-of-permission-less/

>>15654873
>>15654956
thanks anon appreciate it. Im actually invested in BSV I think its an interesting project. but most BSVers are so goddamn stupid I just end up fudding it most of the time because a real discussion is mostly pointless lol. I only understand half of what this autist craig talks about but I will try and read his articles. wish somebody could break all this shit down in easily digestable terms for normal people.

>>15654956
>If you think anything online is free
i pay for my internet and that's it. no other online service gets my money. don't give out personal data, regularly clear browsing history disable all ads scripts and tracking. yeah it's free.

>>15654916
Transactions on BSV are instant, retard.

>>15653196
>>15653282
>>15654004
People always seem to ask how they can profit from Clown World.

Here is a legit case. Invest in BSV, it is suppressed and extremely undervalued only due to an irrational market and incessant propaganda. If you want to legit get rich of CLOWN WORLD, here is your chance.

>>15654873
>It is immutable in that you can't change it. You can delete it yes, but not change it.

Dude just no. Shows how much you understand. You can NOT delete anything from the blockchain. You can only have certain miners or apps preventing you from seeing it. It is however still on the chain, forever.

>>15655182
dude it literally says in your pic that content can be pruned

>>15655182
>>15655195
this is why its so frustrating trying to talk about BSV. its a bunch of dunning kruger plebs swinging their dicks around.

>>15655195
You don't understand what pruned means in this context. It means miners not serving it due to a court order, via double hash. You are too stupid if you think you can delete data from the blockchain.

>>15655202
no youre wrong. filtering means it will not be served by miners. pruning means it will be pruned from the blockchain. as in deleted. why is it always guys like going around saying "Hurr durr you no unduhstand" when you have no clue what youre talking about

>>15655218
lmao please elucidate this process of deleting data from the blockchain, I'd like to know exactly how a brainlet thinks.

>>15655222
by miner consensus which can be ordered by courts. craig himself literally talks about this on podcast interviews

>>15654004
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>>15653196
Changing IPs i see.

>>15654974
>I just end up fudding it most of the time because a real discussion is mostly pointless lol
Glad I'm not the only creg poster. I have a feeling most bsv fudders are just bored bsv "investors".

>>15655182
>You can NOT delete anything from the blockchain
We are both right. You cannot prune an unspent TX, but a spent TX can be pruned. It has it's own chapter in the WP. As you say, unprunable data that is deemed illicit can be filtered as I too mentioned in this post >>15654873
That said, I doubt anything will ever be deleted as miners will see a profit opportunity in serving old data against a fee

>>15655228
MINER CONSENSUS lmao, as if you can simply remove an immutable chain of digital signatures. You literally break the system if you delete records. It can not be done without re-ordering the entire chain.

Read again:

THE BLOCKCHAIN IS IMMUTABLE, BUT WITH A DOUBLE HASH, THE REQUEST FOR A RECORD CAN BE RESTRICTED AND LOGGED

This is what pruning means. It's not deleted. Try to learn how blockchains work idiot, and also look up what immutability means. It will be there FOREVER, but courts can order miners not to serve it, effectively pruning it from view.

>>15655254
>It can not be done without re-ordering the entire chain.
oh yeah like reorgs have never happened on BSV before..
what you are talking about is filtering with doublehash craig clear talks about deleting illicit content from the chain that can be done by court order. it is literally stated in the text you posted here >>15655182

>>15652695
over a thousand views in a day?! that's a lot for crypto.

>>15655251
You are simply misunderstanding how Craig used the word "prune". If he meant delete, he would say delete. He knows that data can not be deleted that's why he built the fucking system. There will always be a record of the transaction made. You can force miners to make new transactions and reverse payments if enough jurisdictions agree to force miners to do this through legal process, but no records are ever deleted.

>>15655274
>Just reorg the entire chain lmao
Sorry you are too dumb to be discussing blockchains.

>>15653196
How many BSV have you got now?? There is one anon with 800+

>>15655304
not an argument anon. craig keeps going on and on about liberty reverse and how it was more decentralized than any crypto will ever be and still got shut down by a concerted global campaign from law enforcement. the same could be done to force a miner consensus and reorg the chain especially since the number of miners will be rather small. what you are saying is it would basically be cool for miners to host cheese pizza as long as its not served to the users which is factually wrong.

>>15654327
>>15654565
>The market is perfectly efficient and not a lagging indicator of actual value
>AMZN should have had a trillion dollar market cap in 2000 because clearly the market never undervalues assets short term

>>15655339
>he same could be done to force a miner consensus and reorg the chain especially since the number of miners will be rather small.

I wonder if petabyte size blockchain has anything to do with that.

>>15655339
>not an argument anon. craig keeps going on and on about liberty reverse and how it was more decentralized than any crypto will ever be and still got shut down by a concerted global campaign from law enforcement.

Yes you can shut down miners, that is obvious. An actual person is operating them, they have a physical address, they can be court ordered or have FBI knocking. Equipment can be seized and so on. It's besides the point.

You still can't delete data from the blockchain.

>it would basically be cool for miners to host cheese pizza as long as its not served to the users which is factually wrong.

This is exactly how it is going to work. If you serve illegal content as a miner, you can/will be court ordered to stop serving it. It can not ever be deleted from the actual chain. Blockchain 101.

Look up safe harbor laws.

Blockchain is IMMUTABLE. You never read a single article from Craig, that much is obvious.

>>15655294
I'll try to put it in a different way:
All you need to validly mine blocks is the utxo set and the previous block hash. If you don't need spent TXs to mine a block, that means they can be deleted (prune = remove = delete).

You would benefit from reading section 7 in the whitepaper if you want to understand this. I have attached it with the picture and marked the specific part mentioning pruning, or "discarding" as is the word Craig used

WP link:
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
>>15655294
I'll try to put a different way:
All you need to validly mine blocks is the utxo set and the previous block hash. If you don't need spent TXs to mine a block, that means they can be deleted (prune = remove = delete).

You would benefit from reading section 7 in the whitepaper if you want to understand this. I have attached it with this picture and marked the specific part mentioning pruning or "discarding" as is the word Craig used

WP link:
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

>>15655393
>safe harbor laws
anon safe harbor laws dont allow servers to host illegal content thats just nonsense. under DMCA online service providers cant be held liable for what their users do but they still have to REMOVE illicit content. you think miners would be allowed to host cheese pizza in a western country as long as users cant access it? it is absolutely illegal to possess certain materials.

>>15655393
>You still can't delete data from the blockchain.
you can absolutely force a reorg if the political will is there, the number of global nodes will always be rather law, much lower than liberty reserve. I mean craig goes on and on about this shit...

>>15655434
>you can absolutely force a reorg if the political will is there
Nope. You would have to force every single miner in hundreds of different jurisdictions to change the entire blockchain multiple times a month because someone uploaded a bad picture. There would be no point to having a blockchain at all if it could just be restructured due to political whims.

The content will never be deleted, in fact it is technically impossible to do it once network is a certain size. It will only be restricted. Immutable records is the entire point of Bitcoin.

>>15655421
>You don’t delete a record, you record a transaction saying why and how the record has been updated. It is nothing new in accounting. And it is something that is easily promulgated through courts and can be enforced by governments.

- Craig

>>15655533
Please don't play this cheap out of context game. I told you spent transactions can be deleted and it clearly says so in the Whitepaper.
The quote has nothing to do with that. What creg is talking about there is how you can "reverse" a transaction. As he you know bitcoin is immutable so you can't change a transaction. You make a new transaction with the reverse value (1-1=0).

Those are two different things. You cant just say miners NEED to keep all data to mine new block when it clearly is not the case. It says so in the WP. Craig says it. Shadders, the main bsv dev says it. And then you have the fact that there exist miners today mining with pruned chains.

Again, read the whitepaper. It is pointless exercise to teach others about Bitcoin when you don't fully understand how it works.

>>15655683
I guess I am confusing your argument with the other guy, since I am basically having two different arguments at a time.

I do however concede that you are correct that superfluous data in a transaction can removed, like OP_RETURN data, but the base transaction itself never can be deleted from the chain, by nonsense such as court ordered deep chain reorgs. You can only create a new entry reversing the transaction, but the log for both will be saved forever, immutably.

>>15655509
>>15655683
The funniest part of all this is that Bitcoin was meant to be a cash system, not a data storage chain and he stated that clearly to Hal Finney in the Bitcoin forums. BCH is Bitcoin, BSV is a data storage chain.

>>15655915
You realize that BSV is both right? Infinitely more use cases.

>>15655951
Satoshi said Bitcoin, which is his creation, is only a cash system and not meant for storing data that is not cash transactions. It doesn't matter if you think you have a better idea.

>>15655997
False. He never said ONLY a cash system. Bitcoin was designed to monetize all information.

>The design supports A TREMENDOUS VARIETY OF POSSIBLE TRANSACTION TYPES that I designed years ago. Escrow transactions, bonded contracts, third party arbitration, multi-party signature, etc. If Bitcoin catches on in a big way, these are things we'll want to explore in the future, but they all had to be designed at the beginning to make sure they would be possible later.

He literally designed Bitcoin basically as a scripting language to not limit the possibilities of what you can do with a an immutable monetized ledger. Payment system was simply the first application, many more are possible with the original protocol.

Besides, BSV is the protocol out of all the versions, closest to the white paper. Whatever Satoshi intended Bitcoin to be, is what Bitcoin SV is.

>>15655880
Sorry, but I don't have time to give you a lengthy answer, but I mostly agree with you. I agree that government can order filtering, not deleting, in a specific jurisdiction. Actually altering the chain itself with a reorg is as you say nonsense. It would require most countries to agree to enforce a fork. Such world wide consensus is not likely at all. In most jurisdictions it would also be illegal.

Have a great weekend folks, and may you all be blessed by the Great Vishnu living in the Blockchain. STIFF

>>15656096
Those are all types of financial/cash transactions, dipshit. You clowns make statements then strive to find confirmation after the fact. You probably don't comprehend what he's getting at here, do you?

>>15656218
All transactions on the BSV network is financial transactions dipshit. You pay for them.

What you don't get is that Bitcoin as a protocol was designed to allow for much more than simple payments from the beginning. Microtransactions were envisioned from day 1. And it was designed to end up in large data centers.

It's not paypal 2.0. It's literally the internet of money.

>>15653063
This one is most kino for sure, there’s actually no point in watching this interview if you’re sub 120 IQ

>>15656263
That pic in no way supports your claim that Satoshi intended it for anything other than a cash system.

>>15656340
greg in denial

>>15656340
Bitcoin is whatever the original protocol allows for.

>>15656340
umm what is OP_PUSHDATA4?

>>15656409
>>15656418
>>15656423
Nothing any of you says redeems you from your false claims so far. I will not spell this out for you.

>>15656444
no, satoshi never meant for data to go to the blockchain yet he put in an op code to return 4.6GB files to the blockchain. keep coping cuck.

>>15656530
You still don't get it

>>15656444
>>15656530
These cucks only quote or defer to Satoshi whenever they can spin it in a way that is convenient to their narrative. When it comes to what Satoshi said about block limit, governance method, scaling, not changing the protocol and mining and node configuration, data centers, server farms and more they simply ignore it.

Snakes the lot of them.

Reminder that all blockstream shills that sold their souls to jews and central banking will die.
We will put million dollar hits on your heads.
You will pay for your sins.

>>15656630
>These cucks only quote or defer to Satoshi whenever they can spin it in a way that is convenient to their narrative
Literally what you bsv clowns have been doing this whole time

>>15656712
KYS greg.

>>15655331
had, but opened a leveraged long on huobi and I{m slowly but surely bleeding. If I play this drop right nd buy back in at bottom I might reach 1k.

If this price point stays for another 6 months I might even reach 2k.

10k Bitcoin is my ultimate goal ever since I heard this song way back when:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIsZyg8OXlI


at the fudding anons in ths thread: Stay poor motherfuckers, you can clean Muchael´s and my toilets at the citadel.

>>15656866
Already made it to four-digit master race here. gl, anon

>>15656753
This isn't a discussion about blocksize, you complete retard

>>15656664
no need to put on hits on their head...the shame and the self hate they will have will make sure they either go coocoo, become homeless or just end it themselves. They deserve everything they´ll receive

>>15657014
It's a discussion about how you ignore what satoshi wrote whenever it doesn't fit the blockstream narrative faggot.

>>15656912
close my friend, close. I wish you godspeed. May we one day meet and laugh about all this.

< 2000 on twetch. <4000 on MB , I feel very l33t.

>>15657030
Exactly. I hope they live a long time so that the enormity of their moral failure is made crystal clear and I have many opportunities to spit in their faces, metaphorically speaking.
Execution would be too good for them.
>>15657106
See you some day in the citadel.

>>15657175
someone has to build the citadels... be nice to our future slaves

>>15657214
kek

>>15654548
nodes are the ones who store the data

Craig has 0 commits on BSV code:
https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv
Craig has 0 wins in court
https://soundcloud.com/alabpodcast/episode-3-faketoshi-the-perfect-client

>>15656664
blockstream does not touch bitcoin code
they develop liquid and LN
you would know this if you actually studied BTC code and saw it's commits/ updates
don't trust me, see it for yourself
https://github.com/bitcoin/

but chances are, you're not gonna reply to my post

>>15657404
the brain tells the arms what to do
>>15657422
why would we look at that dead shitcoin

>>15657404
why would a private software development company have commits on a public codebase lmao

Blockstream retards are the worst.

can’t wait til BTC goes into a free fall and BSV bulls 10x

>>15655156
>extremely undervalued
i would say extremely overvalued but each to their own

>>15657404
https://soundcloud.com/alabpodcast/episode-3-faketoshi-the-perfect-client
wow. what a total asshole wright is
how can people still invest in this sham?

>>15652695
Is this the correct thread to discover tomorrow’s weather?

>>15657383
>>15657404
>>15657422
>>15658302
Gregposters getting lower energy by the day

>>15657422
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors
>number 2 contributor, blockstream founder
You will have the privilege of cleaning the Citadels public toilets with your tongue.

>>15656866
Good for you anon. What fucking job do you have that allows you to spend $150k+ on BSV?!

>>15656912
Well done lad, you will be disgustingly rich.

I still can't quite grasp just how monumentally game changing BSV will be.

>>15658492
'Greg' ?
I'm sorry, I don't understand ?
anon posted that (hilarious) link:
https://soundcloud.com/alabpodcast/episode-3-faketoshi-the-perfect-client
detailing what a scammer wright is. But you keep posting stuff about this 'Greg' ? Who is Greg and what does he have to do with this bsv scam and wright stealing stuff from Kleiman ? Greg isn't mentioned in that podcast link btw

>>15658682
Hi Greg :)

bsv is the shorter length chain. Btc has more work and continues to grow.

Also it’s a trust thing. If btc fails crypto fails. Also: Craig...

>>15656418
so why add useless opcodes?

>>15653063
this interview is fucking GOLD , you shouldn't have shared it they should have paid for it , worth every penny.

>>15656582
>chancellor on the brink of bank bailouts

>>15658626
been in crypto since 2013. college dropout, wage slaving, had a religious experience when I saw and understood bitcoin, told myself it was just too much weed. Took out a loan however to buy more. Went into ETH ICO since I wasnt a true maximalist then. Tried to hodl as much as possible, but greed and fear get to you anon, they do. I would have "made it " on my XMR, Antshares or! ETH holdings alone... Anyway, invested in other non Crypto related stuff along the way.

The fact that I get another chance to buy bitcoin at prices when I first saw it, is testament that the Vishnu really lives inside the blockchain :). After riding all those coins and spending hours upon hours investigating them, researching their claims, their economic models, their technical soundnesss... I became a bitcoin maximalist. So with the liquid cash I have I´m in BSV.


I am a mong at trading, but I did my research. BSV, the true and sustainable bitcoin is stupidly undervalued and I´m surprised the market can really stay this irrational this long.

>>15658682
lol you are really bad at your job

>>15658682
gregging is the last resort sv cucks turn to before total mental breakdown it's their specific form of desperate last ditch ad-hominem

>>15659979
ah - so, having invented a fictional hero in the form of the fraud wright, they now need a fictional anti-hero - 'Greg' - to balance the narrative and keep themselves (at least partially) sane ? Truly, some odd fucking people, these shills, as I believe they are called

>>15659979
Sure thing greg. Talking about craig rather than the god tier tech is the first coping mechanism for digusting red head neckbeard jews.

>>15660051
they do it whenever they run out of arguments really. and yes also everything shady or bad around bsv is actually "gregs doing" rofl. greg is sv satan.

>>15660051


so I´ve been here on 4chan for a while and have seen my fair amount of fud and shill to pump or dump the price, but this relentless fud against CSW is more than shallow. There are 3000 other shitcoins and half as many blockchains, but none get as much shit thrown at as BSV. No other Coin is delivering as much as BSV.... This makes me so stiff.

>>15659979
what´s your price target? I mean yes I would also like to buy more at 99 or less, but honestly, one or two more BSV is honestly not that important the long run. getting into the 21 bitcoin club is 2562$ at the moment @99 it is 2050$ honestly the fud is not needed anymore.... thanks though.

>>15660051
>>15660116
B B B B B BBBBBBBUT WHAT ABOUT GREG'S BEARD!!!???

>>15660129
>what´s your price target?
for sv? lim->0 it's worthless in my opinion the idea is bad ther eis only one reasonable argument the sv touts and that's about the supposed shift from block reward to fees is stunted on btc and that's fucking dangerous.

>>15660152
gregs beard is so disgusting it should be outlawed. but so is faketoshis faggot face.

>>15660129
and you don't feel that the fraud wright contributes to this, negativity, around his persona ? While I don't wish to cast aspersions, even you would have to admit, the fraud wright does sometimes* come across as something of a gold-plated dickhead, no ?
>*on days with a Y in them, usually

>>15660176
days with y....kek, I didnt know that one.
Do I like CSW and his "interpretation" of the truth and his way of confabulating things, talking in riddles and other shenanigans? No, not really, but if bitcoin was about one person then bitcoin would have been DOA anyway.

I dont know since when you are in crypto, but the question who was satoshi, who is the CEO of bitcoin was always answered with a smile during my first meetups... I am satoshi, we are all satoshi, I am the CEO of bitcoin, we all are the ceo of bitcoin.... it never mattered, it doesnt matter, it will not matter.

>>15660168
a more gramatical coherent sentence please. lets try to have a truly technical conversation on the game theoretical approaches to solving bitcoins ever lowering reward halving and the method of how miners get compensated for their work. I promise I´ll be civil and not defend CSW. I really want to understand how BTC envisions the next 5 halvings.( just a 20 year time horizon)

>>15660266
>I really want to understand how BTC envisions the next 5 halvings.
as far as i can tell praying that it will all work out miraculously somehow.

>>15660323
my personal belief is block size should doubled and have been doubled every halving.small blocks and organic growth is the golden middle in all this hysterical nonsense.

BSV wants to solve it by having bigger blocks, thereby having more potential transactions per block, The increased supply of blockspace would lower price per tx, so an increase in reasons to send tx is needed. in comes Data and all the othe stuff that one now can do with opcodes and script, smart contracts and whatnot. Ok, so now we have increase use cases for bitcoin, more tx that offset lower tx fees and bigger blocks. suddenly we have transaction fees offsetting the ever continuing loss of block reward (what SV people call subsidy). And check the block explorers. The tx fees are sustaining the coming loss in miner reward (6.25 bitcoins) on the big blocks. Increased adoption and BSV has tx fees that in aggregate pay the miners for their electricity, without having to rely on the reward. All this while allowing millions of transactions to happen at very low costs. Itis like crossing a river using a toll booth on a very wide bridge. BTC for me is like crossing a river on a small boat and you pay the ferry man. It works, but the ferry man can just cross 5 people at a time and the crossing fee might get very high according to demand and the community is indirectly also paying the ferry man by taking in the inflation that a block reward incurrs(happens in BSV too at the moment, but peter todd was openly discussing removing the 21mio cap)). Now, >>15660168
please tell me your view

>>15660355
ok, yeah, fine, we are now at halving no 3, so you would be happy 4 mb blocks atm? if tx fees would offset minig reward halving I would concur.

sadly we dont live in a world were a rational middle ground was found.

We have the guys waiting for a miracle, and we have the guys that have a potentialy "unlimited" blocksize chain. Lets leave BCH meanwhile out of this.

My bet is on BSV, even though I would be happier if CSW would stick to plumbing and not come out of his basement.

>>15660370
>please tell me your view
an immutable blockchain is not a gargantuan garbage dump of stale data you can't even explore without providers that's bullshit not vision.

but yeah 1mb is too small i don't buy the bullshit about 4mb effective blocksize

>>15660407
>sadly we dont live in a world were a rational middle ground was found.
tell me about it fucking clown timeline

currently sitting on 1,000 BSV, looking forward to 2020. I wish everyone the best of luck

>>15660434
Fuck you I'm aiming for 100 by EOY, though I have invested a couple grand of BSV already on mb paymails and citiesonchain which I hope will give me nice supplementary income

>>15655330
>united ponzi "community" vs Bitcoin protocol
make your bets ladies and gents

Digits
Don’t
Lie

>>15660434
Dude, when the Citadels are being built and this boards IP info is leaked in 2026 they are all gonna come for you.

>>15659979
>>15660051
O R G A N I C

>>15660420
If people pay for data it might be garbage, but it feeds the system... think lion king and the circle of life. not explorable? how do you mean? of course therell be search engines. will they be free? google isn´t free, what will the business model be? who knows. maybe the person searching it pays maybe the person wanted to be found pays. And anyway, why not gargatuan? what is the problem with that? use grid.planaria for your data if your worried miners will prune your stuff. Imagine the internet like it is now, but now with an integrated currency, a token that holds everything in place. Valuewise it might very well be the best investment for the next decades.
BTC is waiting for a miracle that you admit wont come... bch is going the way of the dodo much faster, the POS coins would just create a new class of rentiers and the only coin or better said system that stands is out of the question for you because of some aspie and going a bit too fast for your taste? look at it this way 4 mb was quite some space 25 years ago, today its puny. 1 TB in 25 years might be puny too.
>>15660466
any good cities? the owner of the cities I want is not doing shit with his and isnt answering baemails either.

>>15653063
Neat

>>15654339
>spamming the chain
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT PAY FOR SERVICES ON BITCOIN USING BITCOIN FOR THE SERVICE YOU WANT THATS SPAM!

>>15654916
>wait 10 minutes
He doesn't know.

>>15654977
Hiroshimoot just hosts you on 4chan out of the goodness of his heart lmao

>>15661291
R puzzles are the answer. https://youtu.be/9EHKvNuRc0A?t=1281.. You can hold data offchain just buy access to it by BSV

>>15655251
You're not. I do it because of the retarded qboomers who are also I'm SV. Shit pisses me off.

>>15660051

>>15655421
If you delete a block entirely you can't have any blocks before it. This is useful for people who don't need or what the entire history of the blockchain, but there are many who have an incentive to store the entire chain. So on a local level yes, you can delete stuff. However even then for most that means deleting the contents of the block but keeping the headers.

Access to the entire history of Bitcoin will never go away because that would completely defeat the purpose of the technology.

>>15655428
There's already CP on all 3 chains and it got there when it was all still one chain.

>>15661517
Ive heard that since a long time ago. Never followed it though. Is it links or actual pics? is that data prunable?why has no government that wanted to ban bitcoin ever used that hosted CP as an argument to forbid the use in the last ten years?

>>15655915
Transactions are data that is stored on the blockchain. What can be stored on chain is up to the market, not central planners. If there is no will to upload large data or mine it, then it won't exist. BSV just makes it possible, it's not required.

>>15656753
Based

>>15657383
Nodes are part of the mining process. Whether they provide hashpower, storage or bandwidth. Nodes are not laptops that don't propagate blocks.

>>15658682
Greg pls

>>15655156
Yes sir I invest my spare rupees into BSV for long time

>>15660466
>invested a couple grand of BSV already on mb paymails and citiesonchain
You should have just held BSV imo

>>15661540
>Never followed it though
Yeah me either.

>>15655121
they aren't
your wallets just accept 0conf
your blocktime is 10minutes

>>15661793
>your wallets just accept 0conf
Where the fuck do they find you people?

>>15658542
lmfao
check the dates faggot

>>15661802
retarded nigger lmao you have NEVER downloaded and read the BSV code
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/confirmationtime-btc-bch-bsv.html#log

>>15661811
Blocktime has nothing to do with 0-conf. Wallet software SERIOUSLY has nothing to do with it, you absolute moron.

>>15661846
sorry dude
it does
you have never coded a wallet in your life, I can tell

>>15661869
Okay faggot, tell me how the wallet has more authority on network consensus than miners following either first seen rule or rbf. I'll wait.

>>15661746
>held BSV
it's been on 0.01 for some time now
for the first CG conference of the eyar, Calvin washtraded to 2%
needless to say, BSV will hover to 1% until 0.00 comes around again for the forth time

>>15661883
>network
the fucking transaction gets sent instantly in any blockchain, that's your wallet sending the nodes the information, and that's instant. your wallet sees this and automatically updates the fucking balance before it's ever confirmed, that's why it's called 0confirmation you little shit ass nigger, the miners haven't placed it in the chain yet, you will have to wait 10 minutes or less just like anybody else for the balance be set in stone

never reply to me again

>>15661888
Please uncle calvin dump to two digit so I can have more

>>15658542
this is the commits list you absolute double retard
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master
sit down for 2 minutes ( I know you can't, you're spastic) and read what changes were made

blcokstream does not change anything
blockstream does not commit to anything
blockstream does jack fuck all because they don't care about BTC, they care about their channel nodes developed by those two MIT guys, the chink and that irish and liquid which I assume it's their main hustle

>>15661908
>USD
meaningless
FIAT means nothing, BSV value right now is 0.121
and that's only because of Calvin, not Craig, Calvin mines this at a loss for god knows why
BSV's hashrate would be significantly lower if it wasn't for Calvin

wow 12 posts
dabbing on this nigger Craig is fun you lose track of time
don't forget to check the podcast about the lawsuit
https://soundcloud.com/alabpodcast/episode-3-faketoshi-the-perfect-client
BSV lives on Calvin, not Craig, so the coin is safe from whatever happens to Mr. Pathological Liar

>>15661906
That has nothing to do with a wallet making the decision on 0-conf, you retarded niggerfaggot. 0-conf is entirely based on the first seen rule as opposed to rbf which is on BTC. You can't send transactions instantly on BTC because some faggot could outbid your transaction. KYS

>>15661926
the MIT guys that were paid by Epstein? And segwit? who did that? Who is the one censoring plebbit?

>>15661936
excuse me.... I can also think in three currencies. Please uncle Calvin dump BSV to below 10 million shitsats so I can have some more..

>>15661948
again, that podcast is lame and now old. Sounds like Seth Rogen in there the whole time. And again, CSW dont matter in the long run. What matters to me is if I can have 20% more BSV or not.

>>15661926
fuck off shill

>>15661955
so you are saying without the rbf flag merchants could accept 0conf btc? how fucking retarded and clueless are you?

>>15662754
small world network. You would have 20ms to carry out a double spend attack that might have a chance of reaching majority nodes before the legit transaction. Merchants are incentivized to have a direct connection to a node. inb4 yeah but at home i could... for what, a good? merchant wont send it. A service ? wow, you did a double spend attack to stream something for 10 min for free... dont think the streaming service will let you enjoy whatever you are enjoying after them finding out. A car... a house? sit the fuck down and wait a confirmation, 10 min is not a problem.

>>15655290
>what are paid views