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>>15506562
>You will never be truly rich
Please elaborate
Considering making $ is about having people agree to trade with you, understanding human nature is useful.
So I say yes

>>15506783
maybe anon is talking about non monetary richness

>>15506562
Explain humon a nature bls

I don't care about being rich. I just want to be free.

>>15506562
Buy high. Sell low motherfuckers

>>15506795
>maybe anon is talking about non monetary richness
If this is the case then I suggest learning how the nervous system creates the subjective experience in life. You know moods, being in love etc.

>>15506835
Why and How Consciousness Arises
https://youtu.be/F7WF5gzPG1k
This is Chad level info.
It shows what subject experience is all while reasoning from physical observations.

>>15506808
>I just want to be free.
explain anon.
I have similar goals. But mine requires around $300k per year passively

>>15506783
People say the meaning of life is to be happy but being happy is never the result ticking some box like having a million in the bank or being retiered etc. To observe the world arround you you will see life in constant struggle, the driving pulse of the universe is the will to survive, conquer, dominate and progress. Even in the most remote, idilic spot of nature far removed from man, trees will still be battling for sunlight, and strangling each other for root space. If the mean of life was to be happy, humans would not have such complex needs, the real meaning of life is to struggle to overcome, and with in that happiness can be found as a result. To build, to create, to overcome are far more valuable experiences than to mearly consume. To refer to OPs statement; richness is journey not a destination, and to understand human nature is to know you will constantly tread that journey.
With each advance in living conditions a new form of suffering is discovered, thus the human condition is to be constantly in a state of progress.

>>15506872
I want land, a house and a family. And I want to only work from home and the bulk of that being maintenancing and improving my own property. I know this will cost a lot, at least a million dollars. And that's really just the cost I'm starting out. My strategy is to decrease my expenses while increasing my income. I think people underrate how powerful it is to decrease the cost of living.

>>15506885
>the driving pulse of the universe is the will to survive, conquer, dominate and progress.
>thus the human condition is to be constantly in a state of progress.
My personal meaning of life overlaps with these statements some what.
Mine is to focus on increasing the probability of survival for the human species and by extension life itself (we need other life forms to survive ourselves.)
Not conquering or dominating. But exploring high dimensional state spaces to compute optimal actions to be run in physical space.
Example Mars colonization will be simulated in computers first before it occurs in the real world.
We are talking about the same thing survival, my meaning is one level up in abstraction as survival depends on more effective use of resources.

>>15506885
The trick to living a fulfilling life is therefore to appriciate the little things: to take joy in being - the pleasure of eatting ones first meal of the day after a fast, the pleasure of falling asleep after a productive day, the pleaure of sex with a woman you care for. Whilst also always challenging oneself to progress, to develop one's body, one's mind, one's wealth, one's family, etc.

To always be striving for greater whilst being grateful for what you have is the line to walk for happiness.

>>15506911
>I think people underrate how powerful it is to decrease the cost of living.
Do you read Mr Money Mustache?
https://www.mrmoneymustache.com
He agrees with you 100%
Why do you need a million?
I want the 300K to travel a lot.

Rofs is that you ??

“What is the difference between a living thing and a dead thing? In the medical world, a clinical definition of death is a body that does not change. Change is life. Stagnation is death. If you don't change, you die. It's that simple. It's that scary.”

― Leonard Sweet

>>15506885
You’re getting it mixed up. It’s not that the meaning of life is to survive, it’s just that those that survive, survive, and those that don’t, don’t. There isn’t anything more to it than that. This is a common misconception similar to how people often ascribe a teleological impetus to evolution when there really isn’t one. Survival of the fittest is the nature of the world, but that doesn’t mean that things ought to strive for fitness or survival. This is a hard concept to grasp as a living creature biased towards survival, which obviously includes all living beings so yeah.

>>15506941
>to take joy in being
Yup!
Although in the end all these joys stimulate chemical pathways in the brain. Adjusting ones focus to feel these pathways run appears to be the path to more joy based on your recommendation.

>>15506885
So wageslaves are happy because they are perpetually struggling

>>15506948
Ah, I used to read him a couple years ago. Think I'll visit his site again, thanks for reminding me.
And I need about a million dollars to get everything set up properly. A lot of it will go towards hedging against inflation and possible setbacks.

>>15506958
>In the medical world, a clinical definition of death is a body that does not change. Change is life

>>15506963
>This is a hard concept to grasp as a living creature biased towards survival, which obviously includes all living beings so yeah.
That's kind of the point though right?
Yes at the lowest level there is no inherent meaning. Although we don't live at that level. But point taken this is a choice to make that the meaning.
What's your meaning? that there is no meaning?

>>15506562
That's why theres so many rich old guys. They understand human nature after many decades. And they exploit it for profits.

>>15506963
I would disagree, if its not the 'nietzschean will to power' that is the logos, in the stoic sense of the word, of the universe and merely the darwinian shotgun approach of evolution what would be the point of it all? To survive, to reproduce to progress takes monumental effort - it goes against the laws of thermodynamics - the most logical outcome of your view would be that a) nothing would have ever progressed to survive or b) we should all just off ourselves. Your view is pure nihilism.

>>15506984
>So wageslaves are happy because they are perpetually struggling
Yeah the model breaks down there doesn't it.
I suggest watching that video I linked. The struggle is really just an activation of the seeking pathway in the brain. Wage-slaves aren't perpetually happy but neither are billionaires. What do you think the meaning is then?

>>15507033
no because the wage slave is struggling but never progressing. Thats like saying one man digging a ditch and one man filling it in are as valueable as two men digging a ditch. Both have the same ammount of work but one achieves something of value where are the other achieves nothing. To struggle isn't inherantly good, but struggling is inherant to reach your purpose

>>15507010
Yeah I don’t really think there’s a “meaning” to anything, at least in the sense most people mean it. The motivating force behind my goals and choices is essentially just that they make my brain feel good. I’m not a reckless hedonist or anything like that though, my main appreciations are still art, close friendships and intimate relationships. I just don’t think there’s some higher purpose or “ought” to it.

>>15507017
You seem confused in a lot of areas. Survival and reproduction doesn’t go against the law of thermodynamics anymore than the universe existing at all does. There’s enough stray energy shooting around the universe to make this stuff happen for the time being. And it also wouldn’t mean we’d all kill ourselves, a basic grasp of the concept proves this wrong. It’s really simple, here’s how it goes. Those that do kill themselves, do. Those that don’t, dont. Ergo, the ones that don’t are still around. Think back to the inception of life, right when abiogenesis first occurred. You think the first life had the will to live engrained in them from the get go? Of course not, but they got it pretty quick, through the same logic. Those that didn’t have the tendency to live, died. Those that tended to live, lived. That’s where this “will” came from. There are no wills, only tendencies.

>Your view is pure nihilism.
Well you got this right

>>15507051
>wage slave is struggling but never progressing
>To struggle isn't inherantly good, but struggling is inherant to reach your purpose
So in this model the purpose becomes struggling to reach a purpose? In my model the purpose would be to reach a new level of complexity that increases the probability of survival for the species as a whole.
>to reach your purpose
But will any purpose do? So as an example buying a bigger house.

>>15507075
life, specifically life that strives for progress and creates order and meaning is completely against the laws of thermodynamics and not something that would spontaneous happen just for luls. What your suggesting would be as absurd as rolling a ball down a hill and watching it stop half way and start rolling back up.

>>15507105
The purpose is your will to survive and progress, through out your life this could take many different forms. Try describing the gradient of a parabolic curve at a given point with no reference to its self - as you go through life the goal changes but the purpose of the goals is the same. To have the purpose of getting a bigger house is perfectly virtous for a young to middle aged man, and misguided for an elderly person.

>>15507075
>The motivating force behind my goals and choices is essentially just that they make my brain feel good.
>I just don’t think there’s some higher purpose or “ought” to it.

I agree, my take on it is that purpose is a choice and the inherent initial answer is a null/blank.
Although what the purpose value is set to in a person's life and by extensions a whole species collective lives has non trivial outcomes.

>>15507106
It’s really not. The earth isn’t an isolated system, it constantly receives energy from the sun.

>>15506783
I was talking about a multi-million networth.

>>15506562
ask Howard Hughes how that went. you robots need more heroes.

>>15507120
>The purpose is your will to survive and progress, through out your life this could take many different forms
Right ,so this purpose is based on the individual's desire to explore and experience the world. From my perspective all answers for purpose are valid they all just don't have the same payoff in the physical world. The person described in what your talking about acting as a consumer but that's just one vector of their life I'm assuming. Although based on the examples you have given there would be no progress for the society as a whole. Unless societal progress is emergent like the invisible hand of Adam Smith.

>>15506885
>To observe the world arround you you will see life in constant struggle, the driving pulse of the universe is the will to survive, conquer, dominate and progress.
Choose intellectual endeavours. A life in part lived simply to contemplate. It's why monasteries blew up: Their concept works. To break free from the struggle means to break free from the framework, find ways to frame things the way it benefits, not limits you.

>>15507155
OP is alive!
>I was talking about a multi-million networth.
Understanding human nature especially the prediction errors that exist by default are extremely profitable.
My favorite person on this topic is the computer scientist Alan Kay.
He calls most of the economy "conning cavepeople"

>>15506562
>You will never be truly rich if you don't understand human nature
World is a fuck, I'd kill any of you for $1 per head count. Then I'll be truly rich

>>15507214
>conning cavepeople
he put it nicely

>>15507201
>Choose intellectual endeavours
>To break free from the struggle means to break free from the framework, find ways to frame things the way it benefits, not limits you.
Yup!
You got a plan for your multi millions.
Mine is save cash from coding (brain work)
Then speculate in the options market sell and buying options (brain work)
Then travel around the world while my option and loan portfolio compound. Best returns I've had on options is 3400% on two separate occasions. With my overall portfolio compounding at 12%.

>>15507270
>You got a plan for your multi millions
I'll experiment with how to subtly telling people to do what I want and other exploits. I'm waiting to see if the next season for our culture isn't going to change the market in an uncomfortable way.
The way the service economy works is brilliant. I hope it doesn't crash.

>>15507240
Fight me with your fists and I guarantee you’ll lose kid

>>15507265
>he put it nicely
Alan Kay is the best!
If you haven't heard about Xerox PARC (I hadn't until about 7 years ago) look it up.
Its my favorite investment in human history. About a dozen people invented all of modern computing, GUI, Desktop metaphor etc. It was $300 million invested with total value of the inventions accounting for around $35 Trillion in the economy today. I calculated it at 26% compounded for 45 years.

Alan Kay - Programming and Scaling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyIQKBzIuBY

>>15507240
>I'd kill any of you for $1 per head count.
Auschwitz was designed to be profitable, make sure you pull out those gold teeth.

>>15507326
what is their current project? any news?

>>15507354
>what is their current project?
He's working with Ycombinator the VC firm.
So their current project is what you'll build with what they created.

How to Invent the Future I - CS183F
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id1WShzzMCQ

>>15507309
>The way the service economy works is brilliant. I hope it doesn't crash.
The next crash is government debt.
"Total global debt stands at $230 trillion which is more than 300% of total annual Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of the entire world"
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/bonds/debt-burden-v-equities/

Go long rocks and boomer stocks (via LEAP options)

>>15507456
>The next crash is government debt.
The entire system will collapse then.

>>15506562
https://youtu.be/bPK2k5U523o

>>15507526
>The entire system will collapse then.
That's definitely a possibility, the USA most likely will break along liberal and conservative lines. Like USSR in 1990's.
But that happens around 2032.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/224-collapsing-wave-structure-point-to-breakup-of-usa/

What happens when government bonds go to zero is stock and rocks go ballistic.

>>15507558
Michael Jackson - "Human Nature"
Good post
Why, Why tell them it that its human nature.

>>15506865
Holy fuck

>>15507636
I am skeptical of your excitement
>>15507636
>World is a fuck, I'd kill any of you for $1 per head count. Then I'll be truly rich

You didn't watch it do you!

>>15507704
I swear I did and understood the npc phenomenon thanks to it but indeed world is still a fuck

>>15508077
>I swear I did and understood the npc phenomenon
Why npc exist in your opinion then? this is a test to see if you really watched.
>but indeed world is still a fuck
but fuck is good isn't it anon? see picture.