/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15504572
True capitalism leads to death and suffering as a result of unchecked greed.
True socialism leads to death and suffering due to unchecked laziness.
Best fit is somewhere in the middle of both.
Probably worth acknowledging we kind of suck at being human beings and cause both/all systems to be imperfect.

>>15504593
What is "true capitalism" or "true socialism" do you mean communism for the latter? If that's the case, it's not laziness that kills, it's tyrannical governments killing dissidents and those too intelligent to accept the retardation of communism. I've never heard of greed killing anyone. In what way does stealing money from others at gunpoint save lives. Wannabe moderates are the worst. There is a correct answer to this question and it is the one that has the least amount of the government putting a bullet in people's heads.

>>15504593
Succinctly put.
Based.

>>15504593
Why is unchecked greed a bad thing as long as they are still appealing to the customer?

>>15504593
>>15504630
>worst aspects of capitalism caused by the jews
>worst aspects of communism caused by the jews
If only there was a common factor we could get rid of and have some kind of national socialism that benefits each nation independently.

>>15504645
Honkpilled and jewbased.

>>15504640

At some point corporations arrive at the conclusion that pure appeal to the customer is less profitable than obfuscation of customer service in the name of maximizing profits while providing the least amount of service possible. Ever had an issue with a product? Ever bought a product and been given a “guarantee” only to find later on when something goes wrong with said product that the company literally bends over backwards to fuck you? The idea that the best products and services win out in pure capitalism is a meme.

>>15504593
>Best fit is somewhere in the middle of both.
Hell, no, that’s what social-dem thinks
But remember that at the end of the day you wake up and wagecuck to pay taxes and someone else gets the neetbux
Fuck taxation and fuck niggers
Taxation should be limited to public services and infrastructures, not for neetbux and niggers

>>15504664
This is the correct answer.

>>15504630
True capitalism is totally lawless markets . The poor or those unable to work simply die. True socialism is those willing to work are allowed with a mostly free market, however they are required to pay for those who do not want to work. Those societies tend to collapse into unchecked crime.

>>15504572

Neither. Absolute despotism is the only way.

>>15504664
There are those unable to work. They should be afforded some level of support. Those who choose not to work, I agree with you. But there also needs to be laws limiting the market. It would be way too easy to short sell a company into oblivion with enough capital, which leads to more capital, and a very dangerous cycle.

>>15504572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2s0HmC-1-0

>>15504692
True capitalism still exists within a system of law, just not unjust law. For those unable to literally lift a finger for their own survival, churches and GoFundMe exist. True socialism is literally communism, unless your referring to capitalist societies with a strong social safety net, which is not true socialism. Socialism and communism are dependant on theft with the threat of violence by the state. There is no theft or coersion in a capitalist society.

In Capitalism, only the lowest common denominator would not survive. Which is what nature would do. There are a finite amount of resources, so unfortunately, someone gets the shaft. How do you decide, who that is?

>>15504738
Fag, the American system was "true" socialism before anything else - specifically National Socialism. The Founding Fathers established equality among all White Men and then encouraged self-determination and running your own business or buying a piece of land and running your own vertically integrated estate like George Washington did. This literally means that the Founding Fathers wanted all White Men of good character to have total control of their "means of production" and to use the free market to literally /make it/. It was the perfect system, but Burger fags today unironically think history started the day after WW2 ended (muh granpuh stormed normandee) and have totally forgotten what it even means to be American.

Fuck this thread, it always devolve to a handle communists being total cock suckers (no surprise) and anti-communists always take the fucking bait. Take the Founding Father pill or fuck off.

>>15504957
How is owning property socialism? Sounds like Capitalism to me.

>>15504957
Tariffs were used to protect American industry and American citizens. This protectionism combined with Nationalist sentiment meant that a free market in which Americans could export internationally and to other States without hassle lead to a Free Market in which Americans had FIRST DIBS on. This is essentially Anglo National Socialism and why the United States flourished before they went full retard in 65 and only slid further down since. "Fuck you, got mine", is inherently American but it used to be used outwardly against the rest of the world to protect American industry and labor. Then the baby boomers (((sold out))) and starting using that attitude against fellow Americans and it's been all fucking downhill since. Fortunately every single boomer is going to Hell.

>>15504975
The socialism you're think of is the cucked shit for soiboys made (((marx))). I said TRUE socialism. You need to understand the American system put in place by the Founding Fathers, as it came BEFORE faggot ass Marx. "Controlling the means of production" was not started with Marx, fuck that guy was a cock sucker.

>>15504983
Whoa you had me at "fuck marx"

>>15504572
I'll take either if you put national in front of them.

>>15504996
National Capitalist. I like the sound of lefties screeching over that.