/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15482523
Should've become a freight broker

>>15482523
>he didn’t go broke (freight)

>>15482523
Why did you think you could get an engineer job without any education? It's one of the few jobs that people do STEM for. Just go to a vocational school and learn a trade if you want an interesting job without schooling.

>>15482540
The job literally says a degree isn’t required.

>>15482545
Read the fine print. 4 years of engineering experience. Trading coins, stocking grocery shelves, and even construction work doesn't count as engineering experience.

What type of engineering? Engineering design or the "engineering" thats just being a technician?

>>15482523
Every time a job listing tells you how many years of experience you need, it's a shit test.
Are you man enough to find a way in?

>>15482581
>>15482592
>>15482577
Manufacturing engineer

>engineering where you need cuck levels of experience and education and even then they sometimes test you
>think you can bluff your way in

>>15482599
> Manufacturing engineer
> Potential trap for basically on-call level 2 escalation for manufacturing techs.
Eh. I used to be more snobby about what was engineering and what was "engineering tech" work, but after literal years of doing bullshit as an "engineer" my mind has been opened. Don't take go for it just out of obligation and be careful not to let yourself get shafted on salary (unless you really need a job), but if it's a step in the direction you want, got for it. If it doesn't seem great, start looking again.

>>15483104
>Don't take go for it just
...Apparently I'm retarded. Excuse my word vomit there.

>>15483104
I just graduated with no internship experience and need help landing a job. Why is no one calling me? And do they usually call first or email first? so I dont stare at my phone all day.

>>15483145
If you email them first, they'll email you back if they want to interview you. Sometimes that takes a while.

>>15483145
I graduated in 2008 right when the economy when to shit, so I've got some experience with suffering. They will email first to set up a call unless it's a really small company, then all bets are off. Any place where you're applying online (almost everywhere), you'll get an email first. I ended up having to sell some of my stuff, live in my parents basement unironically, and then move onto a friends couch (in their basement) after my parents got fed up. I worked in a greenhouse watering plants for a while while I was job searching, but I only did it as a part time job so I could spend all my time applying to jobs. The bad news is that I'm the worst person to give this advice because I don't know what caused that either.

The good news is that I got a job eventually and I can joke about being a wagecuck now because I make enough that it's funny (still less then $100k/yr but I live in a MCOL area). I actually got 2 almost-offers that a I blew in the on-site interview and then 2 offers that resulted in job offers. I applied to almost 300 jobs for that though and it sucked every day so I don't have any advice on how to shortcut that. The job that I took was at one of my "dream" employers so don't avoid any applications thinking you're not ready for the role as long as you're somewhat qualified. Let HR reject you because they will...a lot.
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>>15483268
>when
>then
God dammit my spelling is bad today. Seriously, you'll be fine. I got a job and I'm this retarded that I'm still on 4chan in my 30's. It will suck a lot between now and fine though and I don't know what to say about that other than- good luck.

>>15483277
what do you do now?

>>15482523
It is. My position 'requires' a BA. Or a resume like mine and a HS diploma.

>>15482523
Just throw your paychecks into SNTVT for a year and retire in Q3 2020.

>>15483179
>>15483268
I guess im not trying hard enough then. Ive only sent out about 30 applications, but thats basically all the jobs within my area except for ones that need like 10 yrs of experience. Well, good to hear its normal.

>>15483362
I'm a mechanical engineer working as a thermal design engineer for a semiconductor company. I used to work in the fab (Oregon) for Intel until I burned out.

>>15483395
Don't be hard on yourself here. I had some friends with jobs lined up in their Junior year and I have one friend who ended up going back for a PhD not because they wanted to but because they just didn't find a job (they pretended they went hiking for 6 months and had a spiritual journey to convince them to stay in academia...whatever works, I guess). Job searching really is a shit show.

I got rejected from a place that would have paid me $28k/yr to design ergonomic handles for weed wackers in solidworks and then 3 months later I got the offer I took for a $70k/yr + stock + benefits job at Intel (where I used to work). Like...I wasn't good enough to design fuckin' lawnmower parts and then I worked on 14nm etch processes for one of the biggest tech companies in the world.

Other good news: I did get off 4chan for almost a decade before I ended up back here for some reason. So you never truly leave, but you can take long breaks.

>>15483410
Nice, although it sounds kinda tedious as fuck. You like it?

>>15483472
Fab work is like getting a bunch of mathletes in a room, giving them a bunch of hard problems and a pile of cocaine, and then telling them that the last 5% to finish get killed. The reward for the other 95% is another set of problems and more coke. Intel's software groups have an okay reputation for work life balance, but fab and assembly lubricate their tools with the blood and souls of H1B visa engineers (and the occasional American such as myself) and the glorification of the burn-and-churn culture wears you out when they say its for some ethereal reward but all your software friends in the bay are making 3x what you're making after 3-4 years (Intel is stingy with raises). There are some great groups and I did have a rally good manager for a few years early on in Intel process R&D and manufacturing, but they're a lot more rare than I would like.

I mostly do package thermal modeling to communicate to an outside assembly house at my current employer. It is pretty tedious a lot of the time, but I had a background in FORTRAN/C++ numerical modeling in grad school so dinking about with CAD models and some Python is okay. It's not my dream job, but I would've sucked satan's broken glass covered dick to get out of the fab by the end. I'm actually job searching right now, but it was fun for a few years while I got my head sorted.

>>15483691
Actual important thought: Jobs aren't careers. We make jobs careers if we enjoy them enough to do so.
So to OP; it's okay if your first few jobs are just jobs. It's okay to job hop. There's no till-death-do-us-part for jobs anymore unless you want it to be that way. I felt that way and I stayed at my fab job longer than I should have.

I'm old but not old enough to say what I'm going to say next. Life is really short. Don't feel bad about being selfish with your time once you're in your first job and are looking for your next job.

As I an engineer who does FEA/CFD with ANSYS products, while I feel vastly superior to all other engineers, especially those that post here, I am starting to get bored of this shit.

>>15483145
It's important to remember they first step into any given field is always going to be the hardest. Employers are basically gambling that you with absolutely no experience and prospects have potential to not be a complete fuck up. Preserver accept rejection and just keep moving until something eventually opens up. Someone will be desperate/open enough at some point to take the gamble.

Also remember in cases like this your interviews will be more akin to personality tests. They have no real way of knowing with no previous experience if you are able to do the job. They will be looking at your temperament, ability to learn on the spot, and the most importantly how you will jive with your co-workers.

>>15483775
Yeah, there are some cool parts and it does give me a certain je ne sais quoi to judge everyone that has to come to me for answers, but my role is super repetitive. Once you learn the 5-6 different situations that generally get asked for then it's just taking new components and tweaking a little as possible so you can argue that you don't need to re-validate the model with real-world testing.

Do any of you guys have your PE? Is it worth it? I already passed the FE during college so i figured I might as well.

>>15483145
Me too brah, what degree and when did you graduate? I have a feeling I’m never going to get a job

>>15484002
Im EE and graduated last May.

>>15484022
EE is a Chad degree, I think you’ll be fine if you just start spamming out apps. Once you get the first job you’re pretty much golden and can start job hopping to higher and higher paying jobs. I did ME so I don’t know what I’ll do, I’m thinking I’m kind of fucked.

>>15483968
Nope. Got my FE/EIT but I've moved states for each job change and it's never come up. It would be more important if you wanted to do structural or civil stuff, but nothing I "do" leaves the company so there's no need for it.

If you want to get it, I'd focus on it early or at least take study classes every 2-3 years to stay fresh. I've forgotten a scarily large amount since school and honestly don't think I would even have a chance of passing it without a lot of studying.

>>15482523

Apply for Trainees faggot.
Do it for 1 year or 2 and collect "work Experience"

>>15482523
Just become a freight broker, I love it!

>>15484038
I kept hearing this, and its one of the reasons why I decided to do EE in the first place. Most of the MEs at my school were normies just scraping by, and there were probably at least 3x as many of them as compared to us, but everyone else in this thread seems like they re ME.
>>15484040
Ah, I guess it really does just depend on the industry. A lot of the jobs around me are in power utilities, so they obviously want a PE. Most of the other jobs are maritime and defense contractors, and they dont seem to care. That said, I think its a good idea to take it then, not like theres bay area type jobs around here for me.

Another question for everyone, do you guys code much in your jobs? I guess I wouldnt mind some code, but I kinda hate it and dont want to be a code monkey.

>>15484040
what is the difference between engineering tech / engineering

is "real engineering" more math based where engineering tech is hands on ?

>>15484119
Engineering Technician roles don't always require engineering degrees so they can be dangerous to your career if you believe in that voodoo. Some of the roles can be really cool (Department of Energy calls some of their interns and first-level hands-on positions "Engineering Techs", but they do "real" engineering), but some of the roles are just manufacturing with the word engineering before it.

My manufacturing technicians were all super cool folks and they were vital to making the factory run (and they got paid hourly so some of them made more than the engineers), but their job scope was to train on a few tools, run those tools, and call the shift engineer if anything went wrong. It's a job with a lot of "what" and "how", but not much "why". There's nothing wrong with that, but it's just a different type of job than typical engineering.

>>15484115
I would say that 80%-90% of my coworkers never wrote any code at all, although we did have some canned report scripts that someone else wrote for us to run. About 10% of us wrote some code, and two of us wrote a lot of code. In a typical mechanical engineering job I wouldn't expect you would have to write much, but in my role I do a bit since I have a background in it.