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/smg/ - Stock Market General

RKG containment thread! Edition

Popular brokers:
https://pastebin.com/mrSchZPg

Some basic stock market terminology:
https://pastebin.com/VtnpN5iJ

(reminder not to say the N-word and to thank your januaries!)

Free advanced charting tools:
http://www.tradingview.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.finscreener.com/

Real-time market news:
https://thefly.com/index.php
ThinkorSwim

Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

Stock screener
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener

Premarket Data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures

Pump and Dump Advertising:
https://stocktwits.com

Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

Suggested books:
https://pastebin.com/jgA5zTuC

List of hedge fund holdings:
https://fintel.io/

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>>15234419

>> No.15240075
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Fuck stocks, fuck boomers, and fuck jannies.

>> No.15240095
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WINNING

>> No.15240124

Fuck anime

>> No.15240132
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The
N
Word

also >futures
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.15240142
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Chances of economic collapse? There's a lot of recession flags going up. If you were to cash out or go inverse, when would you do it?

>> No.15240148

so if I think a stock is going to go down and I want to put my money where my mouth is, what do I do?

how do I know which put to buy? why is there only certain ones available? are those being sold by other investors? where did they get them?

>> No.15240150

Redpill me on this >>15240061

>>15240132
futures are red because it's msft's exdiv day tomorrow - it's not a real drop.

>> No.15240160

>>15240142
Recession is 100% on a 2 year horizon. Exact time is impossible to predict.

>> No.15240186
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>>15240124
THAS HATE SPEEEEECH!!!

>>15240160
>margin of error +/- 100%

>> No.15240190
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I now own 360sh's of ETSY. That is my disclosure.
It is currently trading at $55/sh.
I think it is going to double.

I'll give you a quick rundown. Right now it is trading as a sector in line with eBay. Matter of fact once you adjust shares outstanding to share price eBay and Etsy trade at exactly a 5 to 1 ratio. The exact market cap difference between the two!

I'm not going to bore you with my math. I'm sure others can do it better. But why are the stocks trading on a 1 to 5 market cap ratio when in earnings they are trading at a 1 to 3 ratio? Plus eBay isn't growing very fast, while Etsy is growing extremely quickly.

So if we go from a 1 to 5 ratio to just a 1 to 4 ratio, not even going to 1 to 3 (like earning reflect) we are looking at an easy double in share value.

>tldr ETSY is going to $110/sh. inb4 when.

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I've been trading Crypto for the longest time now and wanna get into stocks too for something I wouldn't have to wake up in the middle of the night to sweat over, what are some good, non-KYC (if possible) brokers for Europe (Germany/Belgium) and the GCC (Emirates)? Low fees, good, robust platform, all that jazz

Also, what weekly/monthly returns can I expect as a casual trader (Don't hold positions for long at all, not looking to invest but rather trade)? I'd be happy with 5-10% monthly, the lesser work, and the more returns, the better

>> No.15240208

>>15240186
102% with a 2% margin of error

>> No.15240209

>>15240186
10Y2Y inversion is a perfect predictor (as in 100% recall and 100% precision) of recession at this point. However the period between the first inversion and the exact start of recession is not predictable and can be as small as 6mo and as long as 2yr.

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>>15240190
>I think it is going to double.
>biz 2019

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>>15240190
>illiquid options
im sorry anon you're about to get justed beyond all means

>> No.15240222

>>15240148
>why is there only certain ones available? are those being sold by other investors? where did they get them?
please do not buy puts without doing some research about options

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/option.asp
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/optionchain.asp
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/exchangetradedoption.asp

the last article will explain why options that you see through a broker such as robinhood are quantized
if you read through these three articles and can't answer the questions you posted, then you shouldn't enable options trading in your brokerage account

>> No.15240236

>>15240219
Yes, I think it will double in 3 months.
Keep in mind it was recently $72 like your chart shows, so isn't much of a stretch.

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yesterday I was thinking of buying tlry and cgc calls as my first ever options trade but pussied out. Lo and behold tlry spikes 9%

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>>15240132
>was up 5% on sqq
>stop loss triggers at literally the lowest point today
>futures are red again

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>>15240209
>Being born is a perfect predictor of dying, however the period between the first breath and last breath is not predictable and can be as small as 6 seconds and as long as 100 years.

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Bought 45 on TVIX @ $18.41. Keep me in your thoughts and prayers bear gang.

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>>15240220
I've already bet all my money and I got a loan to buy even more. I'm dead serious anon.

>pic related is the loan

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>>15240194
>what are some good, non-KYC brokers
lol
>for Europe and the GCC?
lol
>Low fees
lol
>Don't hold positions for long at all, not looking to invest
lol
>I'd be happy with 5-10% monthly
lol

>> No.15240252

>>15240242
A 1.5 year deviation is much better than a 100 year one.

>> No.15240263

>>15240222
>please do not buy puts without doing some research about options
Yeah I see that. It's way too complicated and there's too much on the line to just start clicking buttons and figuring it out

thanks, will read

>> No.15240274

>>15240190
ebay seems to have revenue that is >10x as much.
don't just look at earnings, look at earnings and revenue both

>>15240241
RIP my N-word
the stop loss can take, or the stop loss can save you
it really cuts both ways

>>15240263
much love

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>>15240248
>(if possible)
Realise improbable, but doesn't hurt to try
>5%
You really saying 5% is a stretch negro?
>everything else
What's wrong with that then?

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these cookies are pretty good for grocery store cookies

>> No.15240296

Explain this to me. If you have 100 shares of a stock, is there any reason to set a limit sell for profit rather than sell calls on it?

Say you have 100 shares of coke, trading at 52 bucks. You think "I'm not greedy, I'll take profits if it jumps to 60," and set a limit sell for that price.

So why not just sell an option with a strike price ~60 and if it reaches that you get the profits from selling them at that price + the premium, right?

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>>15240274
I'm trying to help some of you out. I'm bearing it all. Full disclosure. Here are my trades.

Buy ETSY, you will not be disappointed. I'm an accountant. I looked at the financial statements. The growth rate is unbelievable. They are controlling their costs in a way I didn't think a green management could ever do.

>> No.15240320

>>15240160
Based. Look at how cheap everything was in 08'. I wish I started investing then.

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>>15240252
how many recessions total have we had to analyze?

>has the SPY experienced enough recessions for this to be a reasonable confidence lefel?

>>15240296
options prices are determined by many variables, not just time and stock price

>> No.15240329

>>15240320
If another financial crisis occurs there wont be a recovery. Were facing a global depression that could take 10 years to get out of

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>>15240239
TLRY got rocked after hours though
would you have sold the calls during the day or held them in your greedy little paws ? ~
plus the trump tweet dragged the whole market up, that was unforeseen

>>15240247
wait you took out the loan to go all in on ETSY?

I like it. Power move ;)


>>15240296
how often are you setting sell limits to take profits? how tight are you setting these?
do you know what short vs long term capital gains tax is and how it effects your realized profits?

most people don't put caps on their gains like that.
if you're short term trading, you watch the position and place your sells more manually. and for long term positions, you should be just picking good stuff and holding it until retirement.

>> No.15240338

>>15240296
You'll barely get anything for a call that far out but sure. And its easier to cancel a limit sell than get out of a call if you change your mind.

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A recession isn't going to be started by a Trump tweet.

Remember Ben Graham. Mr. Market will sell to you at ridiculous prices for no reason. And a tweet is no reason.

>>15240334
>wait you took out the loan to go all in on ETSY?
>
>I like it. Power move ;)
Thanks. I was inspired by pic related.
I figured the quote of:
"If you take on large debt make sure someone else is paying for it" applied to stock investments also.

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>>15240247
nice
>>15240286
with your inexperience in stocks, you'll be lucky to even hit +7% in a year, much less 5% in a month. also lol at just being in europe in general. your best bet is to sign up with interactive brokers if they serve people in your area. 10k minimum deposit.
>>15240296
you are correct, it's better to write the call. literally getting paid to sell your stock.
>>15240301
we're i in a position to throw away fuck you money at shitshares like etsy, i'd humor you with a 100 lot and a written call. Good luck, but you're a retard. As they say, beancounters make the worst investment advisors.

>> No.15240373

>>15240124
Fuck you

>>15240132
Weak minded individual

>> No.15240384

>>15240329
Europe didn't even fully get out of the 2008 one.

>> No.15240385

>>15240367
>we are I in a position

>> No.15240387

>>15240367
>Good luck, but you're a retard. As they say, beancounters make the worst investment advisors.

Thanks anon. I guess I just have to believe that it is better knowing how to read a companies financial statements than it is not to.

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>>15240287
Tell me more, cookiechan.
I wanted to invest in these fuckers, especially after I found out that they outlasted a cartel that fucked with them, but then South American markets are just too sketchy. Like, worse than China.

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Screen Cap this
we oppeening under 2900 tomarrow
me overdose on seditives am tallking me this

>> No.15240402

>>15240385
we live in a market
bottom text

>> No.15240404

Blackrock owns 5% of GALT now btw

Hmm
Who would I rather trust, Blackrock or some anonymous memer retard on the internet

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>>15240373
Futures wojak posting is an institution, it's an integral part of /smg/
If futures are red, we post a pink wojak and pretend the sky is falling. if futures are green we post a green wojak and buy a larger yacht.

also my mind is EXTREMELY strong. Not very smart, but strong, yeah.

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>>15240393
>especially after I found out that they outlasted a cartel that fucked with them

Bad ass.

>worse than China

oof

>> No.15240441

>>15240408
>>15240408
Tfw i never took calculus so i dont know what the swirlies do

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Anyone have any good quotes?

I need some for my brain to process my next moves.

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>>15240404
dude kek
black rocks are MMs an no maktually trades or try prrofiut loss on what they do beside just MM profits

having lots of blackrock owning stock probably mean many people shorting on margin

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>>15240404
Blackrock, the investment managing company who fired their "old white men" (their words not mine) to make way for INDEPENDENT STRONG DIVERSITY HIRES and who also happens to be down 11% on the year chart?

dude you're even more fucked than what i even assumed to begin with.

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>>15240404
they own a bunch of LCI too
they have 7 Trillion AUM, they own 5% or more of everything that exists.
If you want to have fun, try and find something that BlackRock doesn't own (except obvious things like a stake in one of their competitors)

>>15240451
" But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:6-10

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>>15240465
shut fudge up idiot
women just good men at invest

you stupid for thinking women no better than me and you stupid for think blackrock manages investment

GOD SO DUMP

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>>15240441
partial differential, its like a normal d/dx but when there are more than one possible x's

(the swirl is technically cyrillic letters )

>> No.15240503

>>15240483
>" But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:6-10

I'm going to hell but I bet a Wage Slave wrote this....lol

>> No.15240505

>>15240329
Even better!

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>>15240503
I got more quotes for you, I keep mine in stickynotes instead of notepad:

I have slowly come to the terrible revelation that none of you know what the fuck you are doing. I have a Master's in Accountancy with a minor in Finance. I work for a fortune 100 as a corporate accountant with a CMA and CPA. I used to have some faith in anon. None of you know how to actually value a company. You can't read financial statements. For fuck's sake you think TA works and the entire field of decision science churns out dissertations every other day highlighting their absolute dismay at the fact that brainlets ever consider using it. You have no idea what Dunning-Kruger is. You don't know what survivorship bias is. You are fucked.

>>15240492
>women just good men at invest
yeah I dunno about that one lol

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>>15240441
>>15240495
blackscholes is flawed, it assumed stock returns are lognormally distributed. While mostly true, it is globally false.
>>15240451
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." - Mike Tyson

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>>15240247
This loan is an investment with a guaranteed return of -6.99% annually.

I don't understand how people willingly take on debt like that, but I've never been truly, TRULY broke, so I guess it's hard to wrap my mind around.

>>15240241
>futures red
There's like 10 hours until the opening, don't sweat the futures

>>15240423
Don't mind that. It's our most mentally ill individual. I think it's working on a tulpa to cure its loneliness.

>>15240451
Without fear of heights, there can be no appreciation of the beauty of high places.
-Liu Cixin

>>15240492
A woman can be just as good as a man at investing, but that doesn't mean trying to reach a 50:50 ratio of women to men at a company is a wise investment, especially if the job market for that field is less than 50% female.
>>15240400
However, You are based as fuck and you better not try to overdose just because you didn't place a bear bet on cheapies day.

I'll pay you to live in a cage at my place and make OC for /smg/. Free chokies overy day :^)

>> No.15240549

>>15240384
Pretty much no one did

>> No.15240569
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Quotes part 2

>>15240539
Actually anon the true interest rate is 4% and that is close to the very best margin rate you can get, which I believe is still Interactive brokers. I'm not lying about what I think of Etsy and yes I have done a lot of homework on this.

>> No.15240575

>>15240451

“It’s of some interest that the lively arts of the millenial U.S.A. treat anhedonia and internal emptiness as hip and cool. It’s maybe the vestiges of the Romantic glorification of Weltschmerz, which means world-weariness or hip ennui. Maybe it’s the fact that most of the arts here are produced by world-weary and sophisticated older people and then consumed by younger people who not only consume art but study it for clues on how to be cool, hip - and keep in mind that, for kids and younger people, to be hip and cool is the same as to be admired and accepted and included and so Unalone. Forget so-called peer-pressure. It’s more like peer-hunger. No? We enter a spiritual puberty where we snap to the fact that the great transcendent horror is loneliness, excluded encagement in the self. Once we’ve hit this age, we will now give or take anything, wear any mask, to fit, be part-of, not be Alone, we young. The U.S. arts are our guide to inclusion. A how-to. We are shown how to fashion masks of ennui and jaded irony at a young age where the face is fictile enough to assume the shape of whatever it wears. And then it’s stuck there, the weary cynicism that saves us from gooey sentiment and unsophisticated naivete. Sentiment equals naïveté on this continent...(1/2)

>> No.15240573

>>15240528
Heh, I used that one earlier
>>15232173

>> No.15240586

Guys
>NVUS
Gonna moon over the next 3 days. Good ER. Stock undervalued
>PES
Gonna moon by November. Good ER. Merger coming. Buy and wait until then
>HSGX
Might moon as early as September, but might actually cost you money. Riskiest of the 4. Still, a small cheap position could pay off with low risk.
>SNSS
When ASH happens, we're hitting $3 very quickly. Over $1 by October highly likely.

>> No.15240591

>>15240575
(2/2)...Hal, who’s empty but not dumb, theorizes privately that what passes for hip cynical transcendence of sentiment is really some kind of fear of being really human, since to be really human (at least as he conceptualizes it) is probably to be unavoidably sentimental and naive and goo-prone and generally pathetic, is to be in some basic interior way forever infantile, some sort of not-quite-right-looking infant dragging itself anaclitically around the map, with big wet eyes and froggy-soft skin, huge skull, gooey drool. One of the really American things about Hal, probably, is the way he despises what it is he’s really lonely for: this hideous internal self, incontinent of sentiment and need, that pules and writhes just under the hip empty mask, anhedonia.”
― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest

>> No.15240602

>>15240075
based

>> No.15240607

>>15240451

>>13974622
>Well, since absolutely nobody on the SMG seems to actually have done this work in a professional capacity, imagine then that you have to explain to the individual that signs the cheques that pay for all the worldly shit you need (which includes your kids' tuition) that you decided to buy some fucking bonds, which are risky by the way, because holding cash for 72 hours made you get crazy ADHD and you couldn't help but buy something like a degenerate gambler.
>You guys need to put your big boy hats on and realize who you are playing against.
>This market is not your money. You're retail. They are fucking serious.
>There are funds that lose entire management teams because the idea of holding cash for awhile is so despised in this casino in the sky as it were.
>I mean to think people even today are giving Buffet shit because of his cash position.
>Wake the fuck up.

>> No.15240616

>>15240451
The consideration of greatest importance when evaluating any potential common stock issue is the recent price action. If the market price has exhibited a steady downward trend, it is inevitable that the share price should sooner or later return to the historical norm. For this reason alone, KHC and LCI are my two bulls of the month.

- Benjamin Graham

>> No.15240625

>>15240616
kekeke was that your OC?

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>>15240625
sadly not. but here's the original pic to go with

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>>15240528
>>blackscholes is flawed
swap normal dist for weibell dist, bam! its now optimized for real world
or use something fancy if you want, its negligible if the option is shorter than a year or worth less than $1000 a call anyways

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Part 3

>> No.15240678

>>15240367
>also lol at just being in europe in general
Am I really this cucked?
>everything else
Jesus fuck nigga, you're basically telling me to stay in crypto and hope this bubble doesn't burst while I'm in is that it?

Also, I doubt 5% is really that much of a stretch for a month, especially if you check the charts on the daily and make short, profitable trades often. The general consensus on /smug/ seems to be that it's very much achievable, plus I'm not dealing with couple hundred Ks to worry about liquidity

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>>15240451
He called on me formally during my first week and stayed to tea; he ate a very heavy meal of honey-buns, anchovy toast and Fuller’s walnut cake, then he lit his pipe and, lying back in the basket chair, laid down the rules of conduct which I should follow; he covered most subjects; even to-day I could repeat much of what he said, word for word. “ . You’re reading History? A perfectly respectable school. The very worst is English Literature and the next worst is Modern Greats. You want either a first or a fourth. There is no value in anything between. Time spent on a good second is time thrown away. You should go to the best lectures—Arkwright on Demosthenes for instance—irrespective of whether they are in your school or not. . Clothes. Dress as you do in a country house. Never wear a tweed coat and flannel trousers—always a suit. And go to a London tailor; you get better cut and longer credit. . . . Clubs. Join the Carlton now and the Grid at the beginning of your second year. If you want to run for the Union—and it’s not a bad thing to do—make your reputation outside first, at the Canning or the Chatham, and begin by speaking on the paper. . . . Keep clear of Boar’s Hill . . .” The sky over the opposing gables glowed and then darkened; I put more coal on the fire and turned on the light, revealing in their respectability his London-made plus fours and his Leander tie. . . . “Don’t treat dons like schoolmasters; treat them as you would the vicar at home. . . . You’ll find you spend half your second year shaking off the undesirable friends you made in your first. . . . Beware of the Anglo-Catholics—they’re all sodomites with unpleasant accents. In fact, steer clear of all the religious groups; they do nothing but harm. . . .”

>> No.15240697
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Part 4

Just about bedtime. Don't think I'll finish uploading the rest of this file.

>> No.15240736
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>>15240516
>I have slowly come to the terrible revelation

I remember the thread where this was originally posted. It was a good thred.

>> No.15240789

based >>15238895

>> No.15240810

>>15240736

>>13545169
was may really the first time it was posted? seems so recent...

>> No.15240967

>>15240810
>tfw May was 8 years ago

>> No.15240980
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15240980

the absolute state of people who bought gamestop on robinhood over 12k owners and average price paid of 12.42 with current price of 3.47

>> No.15241021
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>>15240980
More and more buyers as it keeps going down
new RH accounts are still buying it, even now

They thought that they found true value

>> No.15241024 [DELETED] 

>>15240980
Kek

>> No.15241026

>>15241021
is it possibly also a free stock?

>> No.15241044

>>15241026
it probably is now lol. that actually makes sense

I don't know what their thresholds are... 5$ bin, 10$ bin, etc.?
Either under $4 or under $5 seems to be the biggest amount of free stocks, and then some under $10.

you can sort of see a linear increase vs time once they go down under ~$10, and then a steeper linear once they go under ~$5

how many new RH accounts are even opening these days, I wonder? do they publish account growth stats? I'll have to dig a little bit

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>>15241021
>>They thought that they found true value
fucking how? what possible growth is there for used physical media store in a world were future media is less and less physical?

>>15241026
maybe? depends on the holdings per trader, although in theory id hope RH wouldnt use free stocks in its average price payed for stock calculations (RH is janky tho)

>> No.15241056

Note about the US-China trade war: Originally, America was scheduled to add tariff on about 300 Billion import from China, however some of them have been deferred according to Trump. According to further investigation, it is shown that about 60%, aka about 180 Billion, will be deferred to December 15, while the other 40%, aka about 120 Billion, will continue to get new tariff on September 1. Also about 1% products related to e.g. medical, safety are excluded from the tariff list.

>> No.15241076
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15241076

Here's a fact you guys may not know. We are getting absolutely KEKED on our stock investments. Back in the old days, it was common for good companies to pay out 60-75% of their earnings to shareholders in dividends. Nowadays, we get a pittance if we get paid anything at all, and the really sad part is that we celebrate the prudence of the management for stealing our rightful share of the profits.

>> No.15241080

>>15241049
RH counts the free stock as 0 cost which is also kind of janky but it's probably better that way

>> No.15241089
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>>15241049
>eat it with the shell
dios mio

>> No.15241109

>>15241056
hey what do you think about

>China accuses Pelosi and McConnell of inciting ‘chaos’ in Hong Kong
Do you think that US Senators are inciting chaos in Hong Kong?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/14/china-accuses-pelosi-and-mcconnell-of-inciting-chaos-in-hong-kong.html

>>15241076
you can chose to invest only in companies with a high payout percentage
If it is really better, you will easily outperform the market ;^)

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>>15241089
I just want to say
A pox on Johnson and Johnson for turning their bug spray 'Raid' from a spray into a Jet stream mechanism. Thats the worse business move seen in my life

>> No.15241162

>>15241076
interesting. How long has that been the case?
I wonder if that will cause the traditional returns found in the stock market to become less competitive.

Oh well, still the only game in town, other than real estate. Anyone here mess around with any of those real estate investment methods that open it up for small timers, like Self-Directed Real Estate IRA's or those services like Fundrise?

>>15241109
I was just looking at that!
also:
> China fixes its daily yuan midpoint at 7.0312 — stronger than expected
>Trump says ‘I have no idea’ if the Clintons were involved in Jeffrey Epstein’s death, fueling conspiracy theory
This guy, he just loves fanning the flames.
I was trying to find data on prisoner suicide by crime, but so far it looks like they don't have it available like that.

>>15241157
Yeah, just sell JNJ then, sell it right to me.

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>>15241080
>>RH counts the free stock as 0 cost which is also kind of janky but it's probably better that way
ehhh, debateable

replacing one error with another, not unexpected or unusable, but it taints any data related to that either way...

>>15241089
>too hot for ya?

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>>15240586
Oh well, why not. The more I stare at the numbers in my brokerage account, the more abstract they become. It doesn't even feel like money anymore.

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15241216

Why didn't you buy the golden bull, /smg/?

>> No.15241225

It's pretty sad how /biz/ is now always 99% about crypto.

>> No.15241231

>>15241225

What's the other 1%?

>> No.15241233
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>>15241157
isn't a jet spray going to be more effective for long range snipes and more efficient use of the Raid?
a wider spray just means you get more Raid everywhere to kill the same amount of bug

>>15241181
yeah yeah yeah
absorb the market knowledge into you semiconscious mind
absorb the truth about price movement into your unconscious mind
market forces are mostly controlled by the dream states of traders living and those who have passed on

>> No.15241235

>>15241231
how to make money from fuck prostitute

>> No.15241246
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>>15241231
anime girls

Also thanks CAPCOM for a 25% profit last week

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>>15241246
Wow... you invested in OTC capcom?!
I was just noticing CCOEY & CCOEF just last week. I thought about it, but I'm tired of putting money into memestocks and getting burned. I'm probably not going to buy back into BILI either...

>> No.15241324

Is buying a long put on game stop essentially just free money? I don't understand how they're in business this moment let alone a year or two from now

>> No.15241344

>>15241296
TYO Capcom.

I really don't think Capcom is nor was a memestock...

>> No.15241352

>>15241233
If you have perfect aim sure but
Lets say theres a spider on your ceiling, if you miss the first shot it will blast off and escape and you wasted more poison
With a cone spray, you can sleep at night because even distribution has been applied to the spider

>> No.15241368

>>15241352
who here uses a spray bottle for insect killer
perfect distribution

>> No.15241376

BREAKING: LATEST 13/F FILING BY RENAISSANCE TECHNOLOGIES

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>>15241376

>> No.15241399

>>15241231
Even this thread has become more "BUY MY STOCK IT WILL MOON I PROMISE" bitcoin shilling

>> No.15241405

>>15241324
sm newfag here, if you buy shares in a company and then it goes broke, don't you lose the money?

>> No.15241449
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Absolutely SEETHING

>> No.15241469
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>>15241324
Not necessarily, remember that they can stay solvent longer than you can stay profitable. Make sure you understand how theta, IV, etc will effect long-term options on them. What if they just *don't* drop under 2.00 by this time next year?
>>15241405
He's talking about purchasing options contracts, not shares. Put options can be used to take a short position on underlying securities.

>> No.15241490

>>15241449
based boomer cramer

>> No.15241527

>>15241405
if you buy shares of a company goes broke, you've probably lost all your money. in the case of bankruptcy, bondholders get paid first and shareholders get paid last. its pretty rare for shareholders to get anything.

the dude your replying to is trying to go net short gamestock, which means he gains money as gamestock's stock goes down. if they go bankrupt he makes a lot of money.

>> No.15241551

>>15241405
what does it mean if a public company goes bankrupt:
https://www.sec.gov/reportspubs/investor-publications/investorpubsbankrupthtm.html

>> No.15241562

>>15241490
He’s not even being explicitly pro-trump, he was just saying that trump is pro-stocks. He also has unkind words about conducting foreign policy via tweet.

>>15241344
It’s not a meme in that it’s not pushed. It’s just a meme in that I want to invest in anime girls like other people want to invest in 420BLAZEIT.

>> No.15241585

>>15241562
>it’s not pushed

It really isn't. Also, if it goes back to around 2300 JPY in the following weeks, buy.

>> No.15241594

>>15241021
Where do you find this info?

>> No.15241624

>>15241594
https://robintrack.net/symbol/GME

Eventually I might re-write the OP to have a 'general resources' pastebin and a FAQ, but I have not done it yet. there are a bunch of fun little tools that would be nice to list out, I'm just laaaaazy

>> No.15241639

>>15241585
I don't even know where their revenue comes from... Do they have freemium mobile games of more marvel vs capcom games or something? Licensing for action figures. Oh wait I think they have phoenix wright maybe or some jap games like that.

>> No.15241686

>>15241639
Don't ask me to do your DD... They have a fantastic IR page.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/

What I will say as a vidyafag is that they have completed a very good in-house game engine, which they are using to make new very good entries of their best IPs.
Monster Hunter World sold 12 fucking million copies and an expansion is about to come out.

>> No.15241706

>>15241686
Oh goddamn I dropped so many hours into MH on the Wii and Ipad... I hear World kinda sucked in comparison, but new content is new content.

>> No.15241756

Opinions on buying BUD?

>> No.15241891

Any opinions on CRMD, MAXR, QPRC, or OXLC?

>> No.15242248
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I have no idea how Kubo designs such perfect women. You almost can't go wrong.

I think I might have to pick up the manga.

Going to bed, take care of the market for me.

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>>15242248
Bleach was fucking life man, I fucking loved that show and still fondly look back at it. One of the few anime that doesn't make me cringe knowing I used to watch it

>> No.15242528

>>15241469
I was more or less thinking of buying a 2 year put and seeing if I can't see them dead when the next recession hits
Do you have a suggestion of where to look for information about theta decay over a very long period of time as I imagine its very different then short term

>> No.15242611

>>15240586
From what I can see nvus seems to be in nearly the same financial state as last year, but slightly worse. Whats so great about their ER?

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Me 17 years from now. After I've finally made it.

>> No.15243265
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AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I ONLY BOUGHt 10 TVIX’S YESTERDAY WHAT DO I DOOOOOO!?

Vix, Gold, or inverse S&P/DOW/Russel?

Not... bond ETFs, right?

>> No.15243280

>>15243133
Damn that guy must have some violently recessive genes

>> No.15243317

>>15243265
NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>> No.15243334
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15243334

Shit. It’s already begun.

I’m very tempted to liquidate my bags and go heavy into SRTY. Or TVIX.

>> No.15243386

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
CIO CRAMER RAT RKG
FUCKING DTSCUMMPOSTER WHAT TO DOOOOO!!!!

Schwab lets me buy in 15 minutes...

>> No.15243434

>>15242611
Good as in it beat expectations by a good chunk and they gave good info on the drugs they are developing.

>> No.15243447

2s 10s inverted this is not a drill
2s 10s inverted this is not a drill
2s 10s inverted please proceed to nearest exit.

>> No.15243451

Well... looks like I'm not sleeping tonight. Guess I'll be watching this and trying to figure things out.

https://youtu.be/zoH0mFWYo7E

>> No.15243458

>>15243265
Bought gold and tvix yesterday. Trump tweets are like flashes in the pan. A cult of personality can only prop up a recession for so long.

That being said I'm going to buy some dips before the fed rate cut at Christmas

>> No.15243463

>>15243458
I did too, but like 10 shares of GOLD and 10 shares of TVIX, tiny positions.

>> No.15243468

Is TLT wise? I think that's what I'll do in my IRA.

>> No.15243477

>>15243280
>He thinks his kids are related to him

>> No.15243695

>>15243458
I bought 7 shares of UGLD a while back at $115 and have been holding since. Bough a $284 8/21 SPY put yesterday near the top, too.
All 3 of my biocrap stocks have earnings have earnings after market and have been rising in anticipation. I'm thinking of just buying the hype and selling the news here.

>> No.15243745

>>15243265
Why is futures down because of this? Same news as yesterday.

>> No.15243774

I just impulsively rushed more money into the market than I think I ever have before, and I did it in premarket trading like a complete fucking retard.

TVIX, SRTY, GLDM

Thinking of realizing some losses before they dip even further, especially in non-dividend stocks. That seems really impulsive though. I can't decide, probably want to have more cash and less stock though.

However, I'm still bullish. I just want to try to be actually well positioned for todays selloff.

Frens?

>>15243695
Holy shit nice profits. I considered buying that one too, but I wen't with GLDM because it's one of the Schwab no-fee ETFs. But saving $10 round trip on this trade is probably silly. Though I think there might be some rules against leverage in IRAs.

>>15243745
Check again, etsyfren.

>> No.15243818

Told you guys to buy WKHS yesterday.

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15243834

Found this little note from Credit Suisse this morning on NRZ

>> No.15243850

>>15243834
Oh, there's like a whole report. Interesting I'll update when I've read through ti all.

>> No.15243856

>>15243834
Fuck imbeciles who capitalize every word.

>> No.15243859

>>15243834
I've been all in on NRZ for months. Best decision of my life.

>> No.15243870

>>15243774
Thanks Goldbro
I think Gold is going to continue to see ATH for while as the economy heads toward recession and then things really kick off.

$4000 per ounce end of 2021

>> No.15243897

>>15243856
Who Are You Talking About?

>>15243859
Niiiiiice I haven't been in long enough to see any sweet yield yet. Soon. Hoping to bag some more cheapies too.

>>15243870
That just seems silly to me, there is no inflation. But I think the playbook here says buy gold, so I am. And so maybe you're right.

>> No.15243902

Futures crashing, blood red day

>> No.15243955

>>15243902
https://youtu.be/1DWiB7ZuLvI

>> No.15243967

>>15241109
>you can chose to invest only in companies with a high payout percentage
>If it is really better, you will easily outperform the market ;^)

You're just proving the point with that cuckokded attitude of yours, but there are plenty of good stocks with high payout ratios regardless if you wanted to follow such a strategy.

>>15241162
>Interesting. How long has that been the case?

It looks like dividends started really going out of style around 1980.

>> No.15243989

Trump pulled out of the tariffs, but it will be interesting if all those gains get erased today.

That leaves him without a trick up his sleeve except for to capitulate completely to China.

>> No.15244001

SPY 282 today. This is your only warning.

>> No.15244004

>>15243989
Force rates to 0 first...

>> No.15244014

>>15240301
You've convinced me, but I don't have much free cash sitting around. Should I also try taking out a personal loan at 7% to buy stock? Is there a way to buy stock with a credit card? Should I take NRZ up on their cash-out refinance offer (I'm sure that would make some posters here happy)?

>> No.15244031

While the SPY puts I picked up yesterday should do well at the open, I can't help but think Le Tariff Man is going to fuck everything up again completely out of nowhere. Might just dump everything asap.

>> No.15244038

>>15244004

Yeah, that's viable. They wouldn't be able to cut if there was price inflation.

>> No.15244053

>>15244014
Refinance your home or take out a second mortgage first.

>> No.15244058

>>15244031

Le Tariff Man is held captive by the markets. I think the Chinese have finally figured this out.

The Chinks don't give a shit about their stock market. It could drop 40% and they wouldn't care.

>> No.15244082

I dont buy this, its not the end just yet

>> No.15244095

also where's baggy? Did he finally overdose on heroin?

>> No.15244117

>>15244082

You're probably right but there's the off chance this blows up.

Black swans.

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15244122

I'm starting an algo prop trading business. Help me come up with a LLC name. Avoid startup sounding names please.

>> No.15244141

>>15240400
Wow how did you know? S&P was 2930 when you wrote that.

>> No.15244145

>>15244117
Its a theater play is about to begin but second role is missing kind of situation. Theres still one important piece of news left - QE decision and till they announce it I wont be raped by counter reversal

>> No.15244166

>>15243458
Counter trading Trump tweets is the new meta.

>> No.15244171

Reasonable strong support for gold at these levels

>> No.15244179
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Cio posting the FOMO, I forcing me to reconsider how long I want to be in TVIX and srty.

>>15244117
All eyes on Hong Kong. I think China may be very preoccupied with that right now. That’s actually why I bought tvix in the first place...

>>15244082
Not the end of what? The bull run? Of course it’s not, we have rates to cut

Even baggie has to sleep sometimes.

>> No.15244181

>>15240160
So, where it has been since 2006

>> No.15244183

>>15244122
Tradrr

>> No.15244192

>>15244171
on that we shall agree, bought a bit yesterday first time since 1300s
>>15244179
>The bull run?
the economy. We had bullrun o back of CB trillions for years, bull run label is overrated

>> No.15244201

>>15244145

Devil's Advocate here;

If China intentionally self immolates just for the chance to hurt America, then there will be a rush of inflation in the USA.

That inflation may tie the hands of the Fed.

BAM, stagflation.

Again, just a scenario.

>> No.15244206

10Y2Y briefly inverted today.

>> No.15244211

>>15244082
The price action yesterday told everything. We tagged resistance at the open and then got stuck. What kind of gay market bounces 2% and then doesn't move for 8 hours?

I except us to slice through 287 at the open like it's not even there. 282 EOD.

>> No.15244246

Anybody watching beans with China trade talks going on. There’s sure to be volatility in one way or the other

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15244259

BOBO inna house
BOBO inna house
Big rigs, big wheels, big bear
He don’t care
Smack yo SPY
See if you dare -
- trade bullish
Don’t be foolish
BOBO inna house
BOBO inna house

>> No.15244262

>>15244211
>What kind of gay market bounces 2% and then doesn't move for 8 hours?
Theres literally no organic price discovery in this market for years. I was expecting yesterday action but I am surprised by what I see so far today for example. However you have to recognize with trillions in the arena and regulators around the globe meddling in markets market can do +10% a day bcs theres legit PPT team in FED that wont allow it to do -7%

>> No.15244270

>>15244201
interesting idea, has potential desu.

>> No.15244274

>>15244262
Filtered

>> No.15244275

it's officially over, the 2 year and the 10 year inverted. just sell everything and wait for signs of recovery.

>> No.15244279

>>15244211

The big boys know what Trump is doing now.

Again, I've said it before: Trump's financial team tell him when he can escalate the trade war (always near ATH's) and when he needs to cuck out (always at key pivot points in the market).

Whatever trading software the big boys are using, Mnuchin is utilizing to inform Trump.

>> No.15244287

>>15244262

I've become convinced that markets were always artificial and manipulated.

>> No.15244289

>>15244274
glad to see some things stable than global econ

>> No.15244305

>>15240586
you forgot to namefag to shill your pumps n dumps this time mark

>> No.15244307

>>15244279
>>15244287
And they are making fucking bank front-running him

>> No.15244314

>>15243897
Yeah $4000 was a meme, but it won't stop going up for any significant amount of time now, especially with all the rates we still have to cut
>>15244141
TA :^)
>>15244179
This is true, after this Hong Kong shit gets resolved this week buy the dip

>> No.15244317

The pound is seeing a moderate increase today. Been investing in USD in belief it’s going to slowly rise

>> No.15244361

>>15244279
He does seem to act in relationship to S&P’s bollinger bands. Dipped below, and he delayed some of the tariffs.

It’s really a dangerous time to be a bear. That’s why I’m afraid to go to sleep with so much riding on bear bets...

>>15244287
Economy manipulation is a tool of governance, or something. I think it’s more a question of ability to and degree of manipulation. And trump has taken it to the extreme. Which is why I’m guessing everyone in this thread subscribes to his twitter feed.
>>15244314
>gets resolved
This thing could go full tiananmen square. I don’t know what troops they’re positioning, could be tanks.

>> No.15244399

I finally went in on KHC. How fucked am I?

>> No.15244415

>>15244399
3 mandingo cocks in your asshole fucked

>> No.15244418

Singapore lowers global growth this is a very bearish outlook

>> No.15244438

>>15240607
This woke me up
thanks anon

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>>15244141
me super god of trading. absolute royalty. that how

>> No.15244453

>>15244314
>after this Hong Kong shit gets resolved
You mean after the city burns to the ground and the ashes are finally put out? Cause how the fuck else is it going to get resolved within this week.

>> No.15244456

>>15244361

>Economy manipulation is a tool of governance, or something. I think it’s more a question of ability to and degree of manipulation. And trump has taken it to the extreme. Which is why I’m guessing everyone in this thread subscribes to his twitter feed.

No, I think the Fed has always manipulated markets to expand and contract the money supply for specific policy goals based upon how compliant an administration is.

The people can swap out Presidents but it makes no difference.

>> No.15244470

>people buying this dip already
SPY is seeing support at 288.80 I guess

>> No.15244537

>>15240736
Which class is Gondola in this one?

>> No.15244553

Who’s speculating another Fed cut? I’m on the fence if I should pull the trigger on loading up on bonds

>> No.15244555

>>15244453
China is just getting their hands wet here, the real blood will flow after they resume their aggression towards Taiwan

>> No.15244567

Just bought 100 TVIX let's go bobo

>> No.15244570

>>15244275
Like the movie Paycheck.
They saw a plague coming, so they herded all the sick together and created the plague.

This inversion is created by fear.

>> No.15244584

Lower interest rates put more money in the consumers pockets there’s no doubt about that but is Powell going to do it

>> No.15244602

>>15244122
Moon Lambos Unlimited, LLC

>> No.15244611

ford went down haha amd too

>> No.15244615

The S&P 500 tends to peak 7.3 months (average) or 2.6 months (median) after a 2s10s yield curve inversion: bofa

>> No.15244632

>>15244570
Well recessions are self perpetuating things.

>> No.15244637

>>15244615
Following zerohedge on Twitter is one of the best things I couldve done to get informed.

>> No.15244650

How does mining stock work in a recession? I’m anticipating gold will rise to new ath but unsure about mining stock.

>> No.15244648

>>15244615
So there's still some time to short TLT before it moons again?

>> No.15244667

China has been under the radar stockpiling crude. This is hard for me to wrap around on what this is going to do to the price. If they shift to buying from like Iran instead of us and falling back on their stockpile this could really affect prices

>> No.15244675

>>15244584
Yes it gets Trump off his back too

>> No.15244680

>>15244648
Im not sure in anything
I only play gold and tvix nowadays, market's been absolute clown fiesta this lastQ

>> No.15244682

>>15244650

Resources get crushed because of the lessened industrial demand.

The only way they rise is if the recession is an inflationary one.

The difference between an inflationary and deflationary recession is based upon where money ends up after it exits stocks. It's either the dollar or gold (I guess bitcoin too now?)

>> No.15244689

>>15244667
You can't "stockpile" crude. It's not economical to do so.

>> No.15244705

>>15244637
Kek'd. That dude has been spreading doom scenarios since the last recession. If you were to follow his lead on market related things you would have been poor 50 times over by now

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>>15244689
And it spoils after a month or two anyways, even with the best stabilizers it wouldn't last past 90 days

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>recession
should i lode up on comstock?

>> No.15244722

>>15244705
Zerohedge correctly predicted last 300 of 1 recessions

>> No.15244723

>>15244682
It almost sound like mining stock is never a good buy from what you are saying.

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>>15244650
would you rather be the guy digging for gold or would you rather be the guy selling the shovel to the guy digging for gold?

>> No.15244735

>>15244721
No Bobby.

You idjit

>> No.15244741

>>15244689
I used too strong of a word but they have been buying more than usual since the trade talks with US has me speculating if this is going to affect crude

>> No.15244746

>>15244727
Good analogy

>> No.15244756

>>15241449
>oldest post is in the middle, middle post is up top, youngest post is on the bottom
Twitter's format is aboslute trash.

>> No.15244761

>>15243133
Let me marry your daughter on the far left.

>> No.15244762

Didn't the yield curve invert like 4 months ago also and people were screaming recession but it turned out to be nothing? So is the PPT going to save us today or is it blood red across the board?

>> No.15244763

>>15244727
>Levi Strauss
>Levi
>Levi Strauss was born to an Ashkenazi Jewish family in Buttenheim on February 26, 1829 in the Franconia region of the Kingdom of Bavaria in the German Confederation.[3] He was the son of Hirsch Strauss and his second wife Rebecca Strauss (née Haas).[4][5] At age 18, Strauss traveled with his mother and two sisters to the United States to join his brothers Jonas and Louis, who had begun a wholesale dry goods business in New York City called J. Strauss Brother & Co.
>The California Gold Rush of 1849 led many to travel out west to seek their fortune. Strauss ran his own wholesale dry goods company as well as acted as his brothers' West Coast agent. Using a series of different locations in the city over the years, he sold clothing, fabric, and other items to small shops in the region.
>. In any case, his tough-and-rugged jeans helped make Strauss a millionaire. He expanded his business interests over the years, buying the Mission and Pacific Woolen Mills in 1875.

>> No.15244787

>>15244763
Good story.. especially since I wear Levis everyday

>> No.15244792

>>15244762
That was the 10Y3M, a less accurate recession predictor. 10Y2Y inverted today and it has a much better track record at predicting recessions.

>> No.15244799

>>15244719
Good point on expiration. It’s not stockpiling then. But I Wonder if they are propping theirselves up to have time to switch suppliers from us to Iran? Or what the deal is with them buying more crude

>> No.15244811

>>15244762
It takes up to a year and half until actual recession after 10Y2Y inverts. "Turn out to be nothing" in a few weeks isn't really a strong argument here

>> No.15244830

Ouch, rough start to the day.

>> No.15244834

>>15244723

Industrial-related resources do okay during expansions. Thanks to industrial demand from China post-GFC, it kept Australia out of a recession.

They tank during recessions.

>> No.15244840

Why did everything shit on the fan wtf happened overnight?

>> No.15244849

>>15244840
Trump came out of the closet

>> No.15244850

OK TVIX... don't dissapoint me. Last time you went up almost fucking 30%

>> No.15244851

Wow, it gave up all of Trump's tweet gains straight off the bat.

Watch today to see if it can regain losses or if it closes lower.

Very important time for both bears and bulls.

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>>15242248
>>15242281
the manga has better ending than anime

>dat Urahara Bankai

>> No.15244856

>>15244722
But you have heard of me -tyler

>> No.15244860

inb4 tweet from Trump

inb4 interview from Mnuchin/Kudlow talking up trade talks with China

>> No.15244878

Fuck the US really. My stock was up 7% today until you fat fucks decided to ruin everything again. Honestly, why is the rest of the world a fucking cuck to the dow jones

Also Trump confirmed swing trader

>> No.15244879

>so the bond market is basically yelling fire! fire! and equity market is like ho hum! wake me up when its 12noon...something has to give.....

>> No.15244889

Ahhhhhhhh I literally have no money left in robinhood to buy some cheap stock!!!!!! My transfer doesn't even arrive until later this week.

>> No.15244907

It begins...

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/blogi/

>> No.15244911

>>15244440
Well gj hope you made money on that call.

Seriously though what was the tell?

>> No.15244914

August lowwws

>> No.15244917

never thought I'd see the S&P 500 bart

>> No.15244926

So dotcom was a genuine bubble that crashed the markets and lead to a recession.
Housing/Lehman was a genuine bubble that crashed the markets and lead to a recession.

Now we have recession markers, but what is even supposed to crash the markets? There's something to be said for fear of a recession leading to one, but something feels a little different.

For one, we used to have overheated financial markets leading to high interest, meaning you could shift into high yield bonds cheaply and sit out the crash, then shift back into stocks near the bottom very profitably. Wtf are you even supposed to do now that we're close to zero interest and a crash looms?

The awareness and resulting panic also feels different. Historically there would be 1-3 years after an inversion before the recession hit. Why is everyone freaking out now? There should be massive growth into a bubble, not fearful firesales.

>> No.15244934

NDX looking shaky

>> No.15244947

>>15244917
That’s something I’m going to remember from 19’ years down the road now kek

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>> No.15244959

This stock market is giving me whiplash

>> No.15244964

Well I got my TLT put options all locked in. Only thing left to do is wait for Powell.

>> No.15244965

>>15244926
>Why is everyone freaking out now
People are more conscious of pricing in now so they sell early. Also 10Y2Y's predictive power was confirmed once more in the last recession.

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Key support holding for now.

>> No.15244979

Trading halt on PES, news pending. This might be it.

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>>15244966
Vol seems a bit thin. This market is confused as hell.

>> No.15244982

>>15244926
>Why is everyone freaking out now?
Mass media 4.0 trying to profit from the panic and memes.
>Wtf are you even supposed to do now that we're close to zero interest and a crash looms?
Futures? Buy some agri shit maybe. It's really cheap right now. Don't know if the outlook is so good.

>> No.15244983

>>15244926
Take a look at the EU banks. They will contaminate the entire world once they collapse, just like Lehman & co. did in '08.

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>NBRV
Jesus why? Please tell me this is just shaking out week hands I have calls that will tank in value if this doesn't get approved

>> No.15245000

>>15244979
what kind of news are you waiting for?

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>>15244926
chyna bubble

>> No.15245013

>>15244980
What site is this?

>> No.15245017

>>15244989
COMEDY GOLD AHAHAHA NBRV ALREADY FAILED ONCE YOU DUMB FUCKING RETARD

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>>15244917

>> No.15245019

>>15245000
Merger announcement with Crosby or asset selloff to cover debts.

>> No.15245022

>>15245013
Robinhood (desktop version)

>> No.15245034

>>15244983
I don't buy this argument. People always point to the trillions in derivatives as the reason why it would be bad for DB etc. to go down but majority of those derivatives bet on different directions and will cancel each other out.

>> No.15245040

I just can't win, hedged by buying some tvix at open, it immediatly dropped down to my stop at 20.05, then shot right back up

>> No.15245043

>>15244957
that image is a modern day masterpiece.

>> No.15245044

>>15245000
I'm hearing whisperings this might actually be a buyout announcement.

>> No.15245058

>>15245018
Clown world is real.

>> No.15245059

>>15245040
Why would you have such tight stops

>> No.15245062

>>15245000
Either a merger or bankruptcy is the only thing I can see looking at it

>> No.15245068

Hmmm, do i buy the nvda or amd dip?

>> No.15245069

>>15244926

The market is like 80% algo trading now, whereas in the past the markets weren't being directed in this manner. All publically available data and news is being utilized such as Reuters, CNBC, high profile Twitter feeds, etc etc.

But it's completely reactionary. These algos have no idea what the fuck they are doing, they just see what they are programmed to see as a negative/positive headline and react accordingly.

This means that price action is increasingly driven by data points and announcements made by governments, central bankers and politicians. This is how Trump has been able to manipulate the market over and over and over and over again.

It'll take an external shock (China talks going sour) or the Fed not reacting in the way the market wants it to (denying the market a rate cut for instance) for the market to collapse.

Or just a plain old bad macroeconomic data.

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>>15245018
Ah, the fabled Bart pattern, thought only to be a crypt* meme.

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>>15244980
its summer
vol will seem a bit thin until september at earliest

also, you dont want to know what the market is going to do when volume comes back full force at the end of Q3....

>> No.15245107

>>15245059
I guess i'm just too weakhanded for this. Please just keep crashing the market for the next month while i'm in cash.

>> No.15245116

This is one of those days I'm glad I've 60% portfolio on jap stocks
Although it's not gonna save me if a global recession seriously hits... Let it be murica only please

>> No.15245118

>>15244965
>People are more conscious
>>15244982
>Mass media 4.0

Yeah, definitely. That's why it feels different. The political angle is scary. I'm just an onlooker but the US political clusterfuck seems to play a role. I've never seen so many people blindly share economic info (and essentially conspiracy theories). I guess it confirms their already firmly held beliefs that the US is governed by a moron? Will be interesting to see what this increased public awareness changes. The general populace used to be the fools buying just before the crash, because the spike into the bubble looked too tempting. Now they seem to be aware of the danger? Does that mean no crash or just a different crash? Maybe slower?

>>15244982
>Futures?
Ooof, I'd rather stay out of derivates. Damn.

>>15244983
>Take a look at the EU banks.
The EU system is definitely fucky righ now, but where do you see the instability? EU banks get essentially unlimited free money from the ECB and they are still very conservative handing out loans. What's the risk that collapses them? Even Deutsche announced getting out of investment banking. EU banks look super boring because there is zero regulatory or political support for anything risky as a blowback of 2008 bail-outs.

>> No.15245119

>>15245069
Does anyone really know how the algos work?

>> No.15245123

>>15245107
Just wait until China and the US had their talk in 2 weeks from now, I think we will know up or down by then. Probably down to be honest

>> No.15245128

>>15245018
Incredible, we live in a world where the dow, the indicator of our economy, can go up 400 points and down 400 point in a day.

>> No.15245134

>>15245107
Should have used stops twice as lax and position size 0.5x as big. The downside risk is the same but you would not have been stopped out

>> No.15245148

>>15245128
When you consider that's only 1-2% of the value that's not impressive.

>> No.15245149

Made it out of my stupid TVIX buy with $100 profit. I sold too soon but I took my profit so I'm glad.

SOTP GOING UP
FUCK YOU CREDIT SUSY

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>>15245107
overnight (and longer) limit sells are like tasty tramp stamps to big investors, they are just easy targets to hit so that they can scoop up cheapies

if you leave a stoploss on overnight you should expect someone to hit that shit

>>15245128
points dont mean shit, its all about dat percentage movement baby

>> No.15245152

>>15245062
They aren't even close to bankrupt

>> No.15245160

>>15245118
>unlimited free money
whoah dog

>> No.15245164

>>15245068
Buy Adobe

Thinking about buying CGC if it goes down under 30 tomorrow here.

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>>15245017
But I was so sure

>> No.15245175

>>15244926
Reminder the yield curve was starting to invert last December and you all were warned when global equities peaked in 2018. Also, the Beyond Meat IPO and other retarded IPOs represented euphoria and was your signal to take profits and get the fuck out of the casino.

>> No.15245183

>>15245069
Very true. Large piece of the pie being algo trading almost all doing the same thing whether the news is positive or negative and start pricing it in instantaneously. Seems like an easy way to manipulate the market compared to people thinking for themselves on news or every announcement. Not that people don’t follow rules and stick to strategies but they can change their mindset and certain news might not come off negative to them when the indicator says it is. The algo never changes it always does the same thing and if the indicator says it is negative then they are pricing in negative

>> No.15245194

So if the guy delivering your sandwich talks to you and says the stock market is crashing, is this the reverse shoe-shine boy indicator that means buy the dip, or just the plain shoe-shine boy indicator that means gtfo the market?

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>>15245118
>unlimited free money

>> No.15245203

A hold this long on PES suggests this is probably a merger that will change the ticker.

>> No.15245204

>>15245175
I was up 20% at my peak this year in April, now i'm only up 5% and i'm just glad i'm not negative

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Should I buy the AMDip now or wait and see how bad this gets?

>> No.15245209

>>15245069
>The market is like 80% algo trading now
Very good point definitely worth considering. But like you alluded - the implications are far from clear. You'd expect less emotion in the market with only alogs trading, but they are programmed to pounce on volatility and any potentially influential data point. So is it not just a wash? I guess there's the danger of flash crashes, but I'm skeptical they'd trigger a long-term slump.

>It'll take an external shock
Seems reasonable. But conventionally it would have to be something unexpected, since otherwise it would be priced in already. dotcom bubble and mortgage ABS were outright scams with nothing but hot air behind them. Is a trade war or a Fed decision even in the same ball park?

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What the fuck is wrong with YTEN? This shit is all over the place. It either does a massive drop or a massive gain. Dare I say manipulation?

>> No.15245222

>>15245119

They certainly react to news stories and Twitter feeds, that I know.

When Kudlow had his heart attack Trump wouldn't let him recuperate for long because "I need you for the markets"

>>15245128

It's not so much the nominal point value as it is the percentage gain or loss and the overall trend.

Some of the biggest daily gains and losses were during bear markets for instance.

In the span of 3 trading days for instance in 1932

>first day collapses 12.8%
>second day collapses 10%
>third day market ramps 12%

>> No.15245231

>>15245164
Maybe this time the cannabis bubble is bursting. If ACB doesn't hold 6$ I'm out of my long.

>> No.15245233

algo trading is irrelevant. it's a matter of players with large amount of money who influences the markets. if anything, since algos are hyper sensitive to inputs, you can slightly influence them by buying option contracts.

>> No.15245236

>>15245183

I think they can program the algos though. In the months prior to the rate cut, every bit of negative macro news was followed by a pump thanks to the increased odds of a rate cut by the Fed.

Bad news is good news, we said on /smg/.

Bad news might genuinely be bad news again now.

>> No.15245245

Wow this hold on PES has been going for 27 minutes now. Never seen a hold this long

>> No.15245246

>>15245210
Start picking shit that is not garbage, including women.

>> No.15245248

>>15245236
i don't think that it's the fact that rate cut that's driving this sell off. it's the negative yields from bonds.

>> No.15245255

>>15245194
This means you Cuck his gf

>> No.15245263

>>15245233

The players with the large money are the ones with the algos.

We're just little ants trying to avoid being pissed on.

>> No.15245270

The anticipation is killing me. TELL ME I JUST WON THE LOTTERY

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>>15245204
I've been telling people to take profits for months, the valuations are so lofty and the excuses by analysts keep getting more ridiculous. They even had a theory called TINA (there is no alternative), needless to say, this is a meme to keep suckers holding the bag. Get out of equities.

>> No.15245273

>>15245246
Everything I've picked has done well. I had my limit orders for YTEN at .91 and now it's 1.05. So I can't complain. Also, watch it buddy, that's my wife you're talking about.

>> No.15245274
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15245274

>>15245248
Which has always been a pretty decent sign of the market crashing

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15245277

If you are trading against predictable patterns, you are trading against the market and will get destroyed. If the algorithms are making unpredictable trades, thereby taking the market by surprise, then you trade against the algorithms and you can win. This shit is ELEMENTARY. You are all little babies.

>> No.15245285

>>15245270
How do you even find those shit piles?

>> No.15245290

>>15245160
>>15245200
In case this is meant to express doubt: It's literally true. The weekly Main Refinancing Operations are repo agreements to provide liqidity to banks. They put up any accepted collateral and recieve money from the ECB. The interest rate for MROs has been 0.00% for quite a while.

>> No.15245311

>>15245248

The markets were outright confused by Powell's speech and his opaque language around forward guidance.

He was trying to say that the recent cut was annulus to the '95 or '98 cuts that extended a business cycle, but people interpreted it as if there was no large cuts coming.

The market was already going down before Trump did his negative Tweet IIRC.

>> No.15245312

>>15245285
I gather up a whole stack of shit piles, and then I thoroughly research them one by one, on social media, through articles, their actual products and assets and market movement. After I do that I then decide if it's worth a risk.

>> No.15245316

>>15240209
3month 10year inversion has also predicted every recession for the last 50 years with an average time lag of 311 days since the inversion first started. The 3month 10year inverted in the middle of may this year, so factor that in

>> No.15245319

>>15245116
Buddy, my tsmc and Softbank portfolio is taking a fucking beating. I would be better off converting my shares to RMB.

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>>15245290
Which is why banks globally have been getting cucked. Banks make money by lending, and their spreads are squeezed due to clown world 0% and now negative interest rate policy. Oh, and they're all insolvent.

>> No.15245326

oops. Looks like I lost this gamble, NYSE is suspending trading immediately and delisting PES.

>> No.15245327

>>15245316
had 1 false alarm in 1987, but that's the only one

>> No.15245345

Wait nvm that source is unreliable. Fuck this anticipation

>> No.15245346

>>15245327

What date did it first invert?

There was a massive flash crash in 1987.

>> No.15245352

>>15245316
If a coin flips a "coin" 50 million time, there will be many instances where heads comes up 100 times in a row. The 101st flip still has a 50% chance to go either way.

>> No.15245354

Var Simson

>> No.15245365

>>15245352
That is,
>if a *computer flips a "coin"

>> No.15245369

>>15245352
>there will be many instances where heads comes up 100 times in a row.
I doubt it.

>> No.15245370

>>15245352
2^100 is much larger than 50 million.

>> No.15245376

>>15245326
I bought 1000 shares just to see what would happen. Oh well, I've had more expensive options expire for more.

>> No.15245380

>>15245273
You bought a retracement of a pump in a shit stock with 12m in volume, you're just lucky if it makes it to vwap. But don't be surprised if this shit makes a 20% dump and no, your taste in women are terrible. That's a hoe

>> No.15245388

>>15245369
>>15245370
You guys are dense. No wonder /biz/ never makes any money

>> No.15245392

>>15245345
Looks like all the weak hands and panic sellers are out anyhow. Good luck on it

>> No.15245394

>>15245345
f

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15245397

NEW BREAD?!?!?!
we autosaging at page 4 already.....

>>15245277
shh, we all know who really controls the markets

>> No.15245402

Man this market is more volatile than fucking shit coins.

>> No.15245404

>>15245392
>selling the dip
>nb4 what dip?

>> No.15245405

The market is in a very precarious position right now because Trump can't cuck, and the only thing that could save a decline news wise is a trade resolution or an emergency Fed cut.

If China was smart enough to intervene and crash the markets, they'd do it now. Steamroll Hong Kong.

>> No.15245410

I'm not finding any source for the delisting news and it's not listed here https://www.nyse.com/regulation/delistings

So I think I was being lied to.

>> No.15245411
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>people itt dont know how to Bayes Theorem
Sad!

(pic unrelated )

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Let's just cut corporate taxes to zero, cut rates to -5%, embrace MMT and have governments pay everyone a minimum income of $10K a month and then all our problems are solved and there will never be recessions again and everyone will live happily ever after.

>> No.15245448

>>15245434
But then how do we deal with the hyper inflation?

>> No.15245458

Is it coming bros? t. scared europeon

>> No.15245460

new lazy dummies -_-; !!!

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>> No.15245468

>>15245458
>europeon
Lel. Germany q2 gdp was -0.1%

>> No.15245472

>>15245411
>what are diminishing returns

>> No.15245476

>>15245434

lol no

Only the top 1% get the money, otherwise there would be price inflation in general goods that they don't want.

If Bernie wins though, that could be be a very real outcome though.

>> No.15245479

Hahahahaha shout out to whoever bought my LMT calls at $5.50. Now their worth $1.60 hahahahahaha

>> No.15245481

>>15245460
fucking beat me by a minute

>> No.15245516

>>15245448
National Pricing Commission determines how many Kopeks everything is worth.

>> No.15245541

>>15245475
>>15245475
>>15245475
in case of emergency purposes
>>15245475
>>15245475
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>> No.15245600

>>15244689
>You can't "stockpile" crude.
>>15244719
>And it spoils after a month or two anyways
Are you sure you're not talking about fuels and other refined products with various unstable additives? Crude is the stuff they pump out of the ground that's been sitting there as-is for millenia or whatever. How does crude spoil?

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>>15245388
>dude if you flip a coin a million billion times there's a good chance it'll come up head a million times in a row!
Is essentially what you're saying. It's that whole thousand monkeys typing forever thing. They will never recreate the works of Shakespeare in any readable format. The odds of getting 100 repeating flips on a coin is fuckin absurd.

>> No.15245898

>>15244537
Looks like druid