/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>14871969
you don't get

>>14871969
In what way do you think those are conflicting positions? Y-you're not a brainlet, are you?

This but unironically. I fucking hate paying taxes for crackheads, single moms, and wars for Israel. I also resent people who cuck themselves by working a dead end job, they're weak and are unable to convince of freedom in their lives.

>>14872104
Being dependent on the state is not "freedom" no matter how many video games you play to convince yourself otherwise

>>14872024
>>14872104
>>14871995
The absolute state of libertarians
>”pls gubmint give me neetbux”
>”WTF I NEED TO PAY TAXES ON CASHING OUT MY INTERNET MONEY TO FUND OTHER NEETS!? OUTRAGEOUS!”

>>14872104
this

>>14871969
taxation is theft, nice cope

private property versus deviations therefrom
that is all

>>14872285
And yet you are the one coping with having to pay tax.

>>14871969
If you aren't self employed then you're a cuck

>>14871969
OP, what if i told you there was no income tax until the federal reserve was instated in 1913?

>>14872350
at least im not trying to convince myself that "its the price we pay to live in society" i see it for what it is, and it is theft. period.

THEFT?
QUICK! SOMEONE CALL THE POLI- wait a minute

>>14872410
but who would make the bread without the Royal Bakery?

>>14872410
>showing someone the deed
>calling the police
Nice strawman. A true ancap knows his ability to enforce the NAP is his deed.

>>14871969
>biz is one person

>>14872176
What makes you think the people begging the government for money and the people calling taxation theft are the same people?

>>14872468
thats the point brainlet. if gov is stealing from you then stop them yourself. if you can't its your problem

>>14872468
>A true ancap knows his ability to enforce the NAP is his deed.
A true ANCAP realizes that he'll be on his knees begging for scraps and being prepared to suck dick

>>14872562
if the jews have already enslaved your kids to fund a greater zion and they cant defend themselves then they just gotta suck it up nothing wrong with it alright??

>>14872577
if the local jewish warlord in ancapistan enslaves your family as sex slaves and you can't defend yourself then you just gotta suck it up right?

>>14872611
well that's my point
the unethical is unethical regardless of whether or not you can defend yourself from it

>>14872527
>implying they aren't

>>14872358
There a handful of i come taxes after the Civil war, my new overweight friend
And alot of the income came from tariffs which was likely sufficient until the population approached 100 million which coincides with 1913 :)
And tariffs are basically VAT for imports, which are a form of tax :)))))
So mutts has always paid some sort of taxes, and returning to a tariff only system, even if we reduce the budget to what it would likely be in 1912 accounting for population and inflation, it would likely STILL not be sufficient

>>14872619
exactly...thats why we need a police to defend people

I can't be the only one thinking it

>>14872566
Your point?
>>14872562
The gov isn't stealing from me though

>>14872527
Because they are
>>14872566
>>14872562
>>14872611

Based

>>14872656
maybe there's a difference between "x shouldn't be provided by the state" and "x should not exist"

>>14872656
Until the police force is corrupted just like the government, hurr durr

>>14872668
so are you saying only rich people that can afford a police membership should be defended?

>>14872672
yes, instead we should have private police because private corporations are never corrupt hurrr durr

>>14871969
Shitty argument the post

>>14872689
no, i'm saying that security and law should be privatised

no point discussing the matter here though
just know that the ancap position includes a cultural acceptance of the private penalization of those who have gone against natural justice, and that there is money to be made in defending the rights of the poor on the condition that the forfeits of the criminal are given to the defender rather than the poorman

>>14872729
>no, i'm saying that security and law should be privatised

how is that different from what I said? if police is private it means you have to pay them to defend you. it means poor people might not afford them, or they can only afford some shitty useless polcie that doesn't defend them

>>14872689
>yes, instead we should have private police because private corporations are never corrupt hurrr durr
Yeah that actually is a better option than giving a centralized entity absolute control. The fact that several corporate entities will be competing with one another means their police forces will aim to actually be diligent in their duties because they want to stay in fucking business and collect payment for their work. At the same time this helps ensure citizen safety because multiple private police forces overlapping the same area will have the right to arrest and engage with one another if they catch other police forces in the act of abusing the citizens.

Add something like a decentralized blockchain of CCTV network accessible to all parties (that would prevent false claims of abuse by one police force that might be used to engage in a lasting conflict and create a warzone - the next thing you were probably thinking of responding with), and its all golden.

>>14872755
Why do you assume private police forces would be paid to protect people instead of areas?

>>14872832
thats a nice fantasy but thats not how the private market works.
in reality, if police was privatized all the richfags will have pro military swat teams protecting them with machine guns and poorfags like you will be able to afford some cheap faggot with plastic gun that will run away while you get gang raped by a pack of niggers
>>14872851
and how is that any different? poor areas get cheap useless police and rich areas get the actual police

>>14872755
And this is exactly what happens in third world shitholes without efficient law enforcement. There’s a huge difference between “local subdivision enforcement” in low income and high incomes communities. Naturally, murder rate is high in low-income areas and almost non-existant outside of mafia-style execution.
In developed countries where law enforcement actually work despite being government funded, we don’t have much of these problems

>>14872872
how are you so arrogant?
baffling how much knowledge you think you have

>>14872896
Because that’s literally what happens in countries with de facto no law enforcement. Rich get personal armies while poor get men with batoons who can even be bribed with 10 bucks

>>14872896
not an argument brainlet
>>14872895
>And this is exactly what happens in third world shitholes without efficient law enforcement.
exactly, private police will make your country resemble a third world country, eventually turning you into one

>>14872925
private armies*

>>14872104
based

>>14871969
There's unirocally nothing wrong with that. You just don't have the big brain NEETs do because they can learn new thing all day without being in the wage cage. If the money wasn't wasted in retarded shit no one would need to work 8h a day, but you wagies work all day for NEETs not to do anything. It's only unfair for you wagies.

Tick tock, the alarm clock is ticking. Better get up to make the boss happy

>>14872925
we can't really learn much from shithole countries other than to not import their people
there are too many variables at hand to draw and causative connections
of course state policing is better than no policing, and of course it's possible for things to be bad without state policing - but this is ignoring the things which make societies in general prosperous or impoverished; that is, primarily (not wholly), the demographic and geographical questions

>>14872937
many african countries have no state mandated bakeries, and people are starving
this doesn't mean that a lack of state bakeries causes their starvation, nor that the market cannot provide bakeries
the market makes use of the means available to it, it isn't magic.

>>14872872
>in reality,...
Source?

>>14873036
completely irrelevant and dumb argument. A police isn't the same with a bakery. A bread costs 50 cents, everyone in a developed country can afford to buy bread.

A police force requires millions for training, millions for equipment, millions of intelligence gathering. If police was private it would potentially cost thousands of dollars to buy, potentially hundreds of thousands for a good police. Even in a rich country most people would be able to afford that

>>14873091
third world lawless shitholes is the source, because thats the only places ancapistan exists

>>14872129
I do what I want, when I want. What's your definition of freedom?

>>14872991
So when all wagis stop working, you would have no
-elecricty
-food
-water
-internet

and you would turn into worse than a medieval peasant because atleast they had a trade network and logistics even if certainly not all were self employed.
And neither do you have the brains nor the experience to start your own self sufficient farm

>>14873114
But that's the point, if they were smart they wouldn't have to wage as much. But since they aren't I can be a NEET forever because they'll work their hours like good goys

>>14873099
>third world lawless shitholes is the source, because thats the only places ancapistan exists
>africans are uncivilised because the government doesnt help them enough
jesus fucking yikes dude
perhaps demographics and culture are actually meaningful

from where exactly did you pull your 'statistics' anyway? 10000 per person for basic security insurance? are you insane?

sell your LINK man

>>14873016
Not an argument. According to le pol brown man bad man, Malaysia would be a shithole. But it’s a thriving country wih one of the most efficient law enforcement in the world. Compare that to Cambodia which is still developing. The rich there have their own militias while the subdivision guards(if there’s any at all) let you assassinate a resident for lunch money

>>14873148
ok then buddy, why don't you tell us of a first world country without a government? whats that? it doesn't exist? weird

>>14873149
i am yet to mention anything about genetics; i said demographics.
a people make a society and determine what can and cannot be achieved therewith

>>14873164
ideals don't exist; mine don't exist, nor do yours. nor will they ever. that doesn't make them worse than what does exist.
i'm sure you aren't this much of an emotional and illogical fool when you speak to yourself in your head

>>14872104
I have some respect for white collar professional wagies (lawyers, engineers, actuaries) but I can't respect a mcwagie at all, seems like you have to be a dead-end loser with no balls and no ambition to do that

>>14873178
your fantasy system doesn't exist and will never exist, I get that in your head it sounds cool and it works, but reality doesn't work like that

>>14873164
ok then buddy, why don't you tell us of a first world country without a central bank? whats that? it doesn't exist? weird

>>14873099
>third world lawless shitholes is the source, because thats the only places ancapistan exists
And this definitively amd logically proves whatever your point may be because...?

>>14871969
Taxes are unironically categorically theft and if you defend them you are a cuck who enjoys being stolen from or a useless warm body who needs to sponge off the work of others.

If you are not an ancap or a minarchist at the very minimum you are a bootlicking statist cuck who doesn't belong here and you need to return to reddit and/or /pol/. Go back.

>>14873218
>real ancapistan has never been tried!
>>14873215
agree

>>14873197
well you've yet to prove otherwise, and the fact that x does not exist is, as i said, no proof that it is worse than what does exist.

it is impossible to determine which political system is best solely by looking at how things are empirically. you need to draw causal connections and those must be supplemented by non-empirical theory

i am entirely understanding of the risks and uncertainties involved in a transplant of ideals into reality, and as such i don't actually advocate that any society suddenly transition into anarcho-capitalism.
just like democratic imperialism does not work, nor does private property imperialism. a system must be fitting to the people whom it is intended to govern; in the present day nobody understands nor trusts capitalism and private property and as such i would not, if given the choice, push a button to liquidate the entire state right here and now.


i hold an ideal, which is easy, and am entirely uncertain about the road of how to achieve it safely.

>>14873244
are you aware of the fractional reserve banking system, the debt based economies, the BIS/IMF, and the international banking cartel?

>>14873253
its not that it can't exist, its that it quickly devolves into the opposite of what it claims to be.

in ancapistan, what prevents some powerful guy to create his own government? ancapistan is a paradox, there is always going to be someone ruling you whether you call him "government" or "the local warlord that owns me"

your ideal is not based in reality, its a theoretical fantasy world, just like communism. ancapistan and communism are both fantasy worlds that sound cool in your head but not in reality

>>14873287
are you aware that fractional reserve system is something that occurs in private banks? are you aware that the central bank is the only one that enforces and requires banks to have reserves?

>>14872832
Yes, multiple private police forces will be just like Facebook/Twitter/Google- in a dead heat to provide the most security for their valued customer! There's no injustice in capitalism!

Also they'd DEFINITELY work well together on cases involving multiple police companies, where they needed to share info! (Unironically might be an actual usecase for a blockchain)

>>14873105
Do you though? Do you really? If having the yoke of transitory tech and begging for NEET bucks around your neck is freedom, I'm truly sorry Anon.
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>>14873539
The assumption that they might not work well together is the reason the decentralized blockchain is mentioned in the post your replied to, idiot. Your fallback to sarcasm only shows your lack of knowledge about the things you speak of.

>>14871969
You'll understand the rage when you finally are in line for a life altering amount of money, but Uncle Sam elbows his way in front of you and demands his "taste" of your money.

It could be inheritance.
It could be a new promotion.
It could be crypto gainz.
You WILL feel the impotent rage though when Uncle Sam claims prima nocta.

Tax is fucking gay. Anyone who disagrees enjoys licking that boot.