/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13956431
>Database work

could easily be the most boring job in tech of all time

>>13956471
Heres your alternative lmfaoo

So much for the you can make 70-80k out of college with a comp sci degree. You need 5 years experience required

>>13956431
That's funny a friend of mine was an English major, spent 12k on a bootcamp and now makes 120k. Guess college really is a joke.

>>13956489
>not sure if bait

>>13956536
>>13956620
Thats just not true, did you see the post? Companies arent paying that type of money

>>13956747
yea if you are a front-end or db brainlet they arent, but what about some of the most high growth and understaffed fields? derrr

>>13956754
Already automated.

>>13956769
lmfao. "muh automation" is like an ad hom at this point. So machine learning, data science, cybersec are automated buy retail isnt? such a retarded argument

>>13956754
Stop making up excuses it doesn’t matter even a java developer with three years of experience has jobs like these making 50k in nj.

There isnt a 80-90k job out of school for comp sci grads stop shilling your lies

>>13956431
Imagine getting a computer science degree and applying for a database analyst job.

My first job out of college paid $60k/yr. In fucking Oklahoma.

If you can't get a job making at least that much anywhere in the US, you're the failure. Not the degree.

imagine not moving to silicon valley if you're an engineer

it's like you're a fucking oil driller where there is no oil

these boomer faggots mispay you and they expect some retard, indian, gook to take the job and not complain because there's no good talent

most of their applicants will be s o y boys who won't complain

most of my friends are making 140k+ not including their generous startup equity grants to stop them from jobhopping

>>13956922
>most of my friends are making more than 140k just out of college with a comp sci degree

Lmfao get real there is no place in this country that is just handing grads with no experience 140k salaries. I dont even understand what you guys get out of lying this much.

>>13956431
I know mexican framers who make that or more with low english or no english. But its working in the sun on roofs tho. I thought it was boomer mentality but yeah our generation can make decent money with no degree but were lazy and dont want to do the work honsetly.

>>13956431
All programmers I know are depressed and wish they didn't get in that field.

>>13956955
Just because your mediocre, 2.7 gpa ass doesn't qualify for the job doesn't mean they don't exist.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Software-Engineer-New-Grad-Salaries-E9079_D_KO7,33.htm

$140k is a pretty bullshit number, but there's a lot of money out there.

>>13956918
where do you work?

>>13956977
>has to use Google the extreme to prove your obtuse mean

Yeah google has always paid their employees a lot what else is new? Just because google employees make a nice salary does not mean new grads are making 100k plus at cs jobs out of college

>>13957003
I worked for a company called MSCI.

>>13956873
Google swes in Bay area and nyc were getting something like $115k+ per year plus $20k signing bonus plus $30k/yr in stock fresh out of college in 2015 when I started

Pretty sure it has only gone up (slightly) from there

Other tech companies pay a bit less to a bit more, see levels.fyi

Only desperate student would go for one of the pic relateds in this thread and after a year they should be able to get a job at better non-tech companies or startups. Maybe even after just six months- that's how long it took me to move on from a somewhat shitty job. I studied hard after work and ended up getting a job at Google a year after switching, too. So I went

- Good student at decent (luckily, my professors were very smart, knew their shit, and seemingly cared more about their students than about their research) but shit-tier school (cheap, unheard of state school... How it ended up with such caring professors as teachers, I have no idea)

- to part time intern at local company (while in school)
- to full time junior engineer at a dysfunctional company for six months
- to temp worker somewhere else for a year
- to google software engineer, full time for past 4.5 years

You need to job hop aggressively and be willing to move (I started living nowhere great, moved to a major city for my second job) but I think you can improve your working conditions rapidly.

These shitty job postings requiring years of experience and offering shit pay have been a thing since I was a student. I always ignored them and applied to things that seemed in my range, but people always told me to apply if I had half the requirements, so maybe do that.

>>13957012
Stop moving the goalposts

You said

>There isnt a 80-90k job out of school for comp sci grads stop shilling your lies

This is provably false.

>>13956431

Funny thing is the degree probably isn't even enough, you will probably need job experience or at the very least experience from doing your own projects outside of school. CS is a complete meme.

t. fell for the CS meme

>>13957033
nice

were you like an analyst or something?

>>13956918
>My first job out of college paid $60k/yr. In fucking Oklahoma.
Same.

My first job was $60k/yr in 2013 in Florida.

Once I had six months of experience, places in NYC were actually willing to talk to me.

One of my buddies actually moved to NYC without a job and found a not-so-good php shop willing to pay him $60k/yr (this is insanely low for NYC) and he studied CIS, which doesn't cover as much CS stuff as CS.

>>13957059
Nah. Perl/python dev for risk analysis.

Can't go too far into detail because who the fuck knows who's reading these posts, but it was a pretty alright job until after around 2012. The original company was acquired by msci and the culture changed.

>>13957053
Im not moving the goal post im saying the same thing the entire time new grads with a comp sci degree arent making over 100k starting and just because google continues to pay their own employees well doesn’t negate that. Look at my actual post above because I provided more proof of listings then you even bothered to do

>>13957090
>Once I had six months of experience, places in NYC were actually willing to talk to me

Exactly this. The only people who apply for the jobs in the OP are the fuckups who didn't actually learn anything or are too stupid to figure it out.

I applied for my current job with 3 years less experience than they had put on the job posting as "required".

If you're not a fucking moron, it's not hard to advance.

>>13956431

Everybody's inflating their credentials, both employers and employees. Be confident and apply for jobs you don't completely qualify for. It's a numbers game.

>>13957012
>Yeah google has always paid their employees a lot what else is new? Just because google employees make a nice salary does not mean new grads are making 100k plus at cs jobs out of college

Google has gotten fuckin lazy with their comp. They're no longer the best or an extreme outlier when it comes to compensation. Look at levels.fyi and then realize that many of those companies will increase their offers if you get a competing offer.

Also, the compensation depends on the city. I'm sure Bay area new grads commonly make $100k. I've seen people online say NYC new grads may make more like $80-90k but don't know how accurate that is.

>>13957126
You finding listings of bottom of the barrel jobs doesn't prove anything. I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove.


>Imagine getting a computer science degree just to make 40k a year in a high tax state LMFAO

>>13956780
Unironically yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-lhorsDlUQ

This is google in 2019. Wtf happened?

>>13957012
lmao you dumb nigger i was talking about people with a couple years of experience like OP you obtuse faggot

new grads make $120,000

by the way

oh and i made $70,000 and got over $100,000 off my options when my company went public and that was just my first job out of school and i am a business major lmao

this was 6 years ago

KILL YOURSELF SEETHING BITCH

>>13957190
No, no they are not... machine learning is getting good, but it has no where near taken over these fields

Get a job

>>13957040
>bay area
stopped reading there.

>>13957221
>new grads make $120,000k
>I made over 100k off options from my company

This just reads like straight bullshit. As someone who is doing a post bacc in comp sci I don’t understand what you guys get from larping about salaries. No one is paying 120k for a new grad besides extremes for hiring cream of the crop talent.

I’m not even seething I just genuinely don’t understand what you all get from larping about imaginary salaries. I search for listings every end of week after studying and never once found one paying anywhere near 90k for a new grad and I live next to NEW YORK CITY

https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/02/what-interns-and-new-grads-really-get-paid-at-top-tech-companies/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Km9bsx0SWPDiOPMYvremSDujyS5sF0ZQvbxr5S52wSA/edit#gid=1649958221

here is a 2017 list that was crowdsourced and posted on techcrunch

wow look at that

OP is a faggot

AirnBNB paid new grads $135,000 salary, with a $35,000 signing bonus, and over $150,000 stock options that vest over 4 years.

that was 2 years ago and salaries only go up.

I bet you they pay new grads over $150,000 now.

Kill yourself OP you dumb nigger.

>>13956489

>>13957296
Once again uses fucking extemes to try to prove your larp salaries

Air bnb is paying people who graduated from Cornell with a 3.9 GPA in comp sci a 130k starting salary. What else is fucking new your goina tell me harvard grads make 140k starting at facebook?

>>13957282
I joined pre Series B and my company got bought out by Adobe. Only vested 2 years.

do you even know how much rent is in SF?

120K isn't even crazy.

but yeah LARPing of course!

>>13957335
oh ok you're just stupid. better buy some chainlink because understanding how the job market works after you graduate isn't looking to good for you.

>>13957347
Once again your saying 120k starting is normal and using shit like

“Starting at google bay area cali”
“Starting at air bnb bay area cali”

Wow totally means new comp sci grads are making 120k east!!! Google and air bnb are paying those salaries in cali must mean all grads can make that easy

>this whole thread

Imagine being a wagie lol

>>13957398

I know right?

>>13956431
>Imagine living in a low tax state, surrounded by subhumans

>>13957347
so you're just here to brag. nice. but everywhere outside of SF only pays 60% of that, after adjusting for location.

>>13957386
once again the jobs you posted is for some state school 2.5 gpa bitch who can't code.

maybe set your targets higher and if you have any skill you realize pretty quickly that there's no difference between some cornell fag or a good dev and any good company will hire anyone as long as they are smart

why are you complaining about shit jobs existing? literally just don't apply for them

don't like getting paid 60k in oklahoma? move. to where the jobs are. like the other anon said.

https://breakoutlist.com/

here you go

now kill yourself so one of these companies doesn't have to hire you

>>13957425
i'm not bragging i just obviously live in an alternate reality than most of you depressed CS losers.

it's because everyone stupid went to school for it, not to mention all the Pajeets and older boomers, so now you have an oversupply of overqualified people in non engineering hubs.

supply demand

go where the demand is or keep being a wage slave

>>13956489
NJ is shit. I got 90k my first job out of college 6 years ago.

>>13957432
anon, the retards in this thread can barely get a job that pays 60k. do you really think they're going to pass an interview for a company on breakoutlist? they likely won't even get a call back.

>>13957206
Congratulations, google jewed itself. Serious question, how can I abandon the google/apple jew withoit having to buy a stone age phone? It sucks nothing came out of the ubuntu phones.

>>13957497
exactly he's just bragging. look at me i'm so good you're all dumb.

Also
>wagecucks in this thread bragging about their wagie level
>not being a neet or business owner
kek, you are all losers. Some of you just feel less like losers because of muh salary

>>13956431
>>13956489
>>13956873
https://www.levels.fyi/
imagine being a wage slave instead of a salary gladiator

>>13957497
it must be crazy
to be smart enough to have agency, browse /biz/ and understand your plight and general economic race to the bottom
but dumb enough not to do something about it lol
it's like they don't realize getting one of those 60k jobs will make them even more depressed

>>13957621
"i'm not bragging"
>proceeds to insult state school, where 90% of graduates come from
too obvious

>>13957282
$120k is low for cream of the crop

If you're a fucking dumbass but you >>13957386
Google pays the same in NYC as it does in Bay area dumbass

>>13957814
I went to a state school you dumb fuck

Getting a job a big tech company requires you pick up these textbooks and learn their contents:
- data structures
- algorithms
- operating systems
- skim a book on computer organization, don't even have to learn everything in there, just know what the parts of a computer does and have a basic idea of what a processor does in a cycle

Then pick up these books:
1. cracking the coding interview
2. elements of programming interviews

Ignoring the harder questions in the back of book 1, just do all the problems in the chapters. These are easier than most of the stuff you get in a real interview, so if you can't.do them, go back to your algorithms, data structures, or operating systems book and read the chapter on that topic again to figure out how to do the problem.

Once you have done that for all of book 1, go to book 2. Open it up to see that it literally has a table of the most important problems to do in each chapter depending on how much time (days, weeks, or months) you have to prepare for your interview. Do all of them. If you can't, go back to the relevant data structures, algorithms, or operating system textbook to learn how. If that still doesn't work, look in the back of book 2 for the answer and understand it well enough to do it yourself the next day or week without looking.

Once you've got all the way through the recommended questions from book 2, apply to ten of those high-paying tech companies. If you had any job experience on your resume and theyre hiring then you'll probably hear back from at least 2 or 3 out of 10, interview with them, and then if you actually did the prep work by answering the recommended questions in book 2, you'll probably get a job offer from one of them with a nice $150-200k total comp package and a relocation offer. If you're lucky, you'll get offers from two of them and you can tell each that the other offered you a compelling package and ask for more money.

>>13958731
>- data structures
>- algorithms
>- operating systems
>- skim a book on computer organization

In my case, i used these resources to relearn the shit I didn't learn in college:
- Tim roughgarden's algorithms classes on Coursera, parts I and ii
- a free textbook called Operating Systems: three easy pieces

For problems I couldn't solve in the problem books, I checked each one of these books (pirated them) till I found one that explained the problem without being stupidly complicated (fucking hell cs professors are bad writers):
- kleinberg tardos algorithms book
- skienna algorithms book (this was the easiest to understand for every topic that it covered, imo)
- dasgupta algorithms book
- introduction to algorithms by cormen rivest etc. This was the worst book to use and I think there was only one topic explained better here than in the others, but for that one topic, it helped.
- algorithms by Robert sedgewick

>>13958884
>In my case, i used these resources to relearn the shit I didn't learn in college:
>- Tim roughgarden's algorithms classes on Coursera, parts I and ii
>- a free textbook called Operating Systems: three easy pieces
Also, a used old copy of a book called data structures by aho, hopcroft, Ullman was cheap and taught me okay. I don't think I did any problems from it, I just looked at how it said I could make a linked list or a tree and shit. Also, there was book on data structures in Java that learned from previously in class, not sure how much I learned.from each one but I think I got most from that Java data structures textbook just because the professor forced us to go through it.

>>13958731
>>13958884
>>13958941
These three posts are basically "teach yourself how to get a $150-200k/yr engineering job while working full time". If you studied cs and you are suffering in one of the shit jobs people posted in this thread, should be able to read those books and watch those courses and then do those practice problems in under a year. I did it in six months.

You can literally go from hopeless bottom tier trash programmer in a shit town to top tier high paid engineer in a nice city in less than a year.

>>13956431
>posting obvious bait postings where no one actually applies so they can hire an H1B
Idiot

>>13958978
selection bias. there's about 50 other people who did exactly what you did and weren't hired. didn't you have to go through 7 rounds of interviews?

>>13959044
Oh, i have heard of that. Not sure how widespread this is but I have heard that companies post jobs so bad nobody will apply so they can say there aren't enough people available to hire in order to justify hiring someone on an H1B.

>>13956955
hedge fund analysts get 200k+ starting

>>13956431
thats why you don't go to a shithole school. i was making 160k my first year out of college with a compsci degree...

>>13959044
>linkedin's fucking staff engineers are L5s

>>13959054
No, none of the companies I interviewed at required more than five 45-to-60-minutr interviews.

And no, there aren't 50 people who did that and didn't get hired.

There may be 50 who did that and didn't get hired *at Google*, but it's a numbers game. Once youve done the preparation, interviewing with each company is like a hand of poker. Eventually you get lucky and find a company that fails to reject you. That's why you need to pick 10 companies.

>>13956955
except there is retard, look at FAANG salaries on glassdoor/levels.fyi

>>13956977
>$140k is a pretty bullshit number, but there's a lot of money out there.
There's a lot of money out there, but it's easier for losers to tell themselves there isn't and "t-there's no place in the country that pays 150k to new grads" instead of putting in the work.

>>13959044
That Lyft total comp is only so high because of their recent IPO, right?

>>13959316
dunno about google, but at my non-FAANG company candidates who make it to the onsite interview have about a one in three chance of getting an offer

a lot of candidates get knocked out by recruiters or by phone screens before they make it through to an onsite

Imagine getting a philosophy degree and eventually getting a PM gig at a tech company for 100k/year
t. Me.

>>13959405
The way I looked at it when preparing is that I wanted to get a 90% chance of a answering any question correctly.

With a 90% chance of giving a correct answer, then if you get asked six questions in 4-6 in-person interviews with a single company, you have a .9^6 = roughly 53% chance of answering all the questions correctly.

Thus, if you have prepared to the point that there's a 90% chance you'll give a correct answer when presented with a question, whether or not you get hired should be roughly a coinflip.

So I want to flip as many coins as I can.

When I interview candidates, it seems like the ones who correctly answer every question usually get hired, while the ones who make mistakes noticed by multiple interviewers usually don't.... So I think that "answering all questions correctly", if not perfect, is a pretty decent thing to aim for, and if you don't think you can do it at one place, then just try lots of places till you get it.

Do you think this is a bad approach?

I know rejection rates are high everywhere but I tell myself that those are a mix of A. The people who didn't prepare to the level of having a 90% success rate and B. The people who DID prepare enough but got unlucky on the coinflip of questioning.

>>13959638
Also, I like the 90% success rate goal because imo an average person who works hard can probably be a solid student who gets 90% of questions right in school... And interview questions are usually very similar to school questions, so a 90% should kinda sorta be achievable by a B-student (80-89%) who pushes themselves a little hard for that 90%.

Which would mean you don't need to be a genius or even an A student to get a job at a top tech company, you could just be a B student who temporarily preps extra hard for a little while for interviews and then flip coins until you get heads.

>>13959457
How'd you land that? Project manager is it?

Self taught with 0 experience and got a job as a back end software engineer for 85k. This thread is complete bullshit

>>13959638
Our interviews aren't really correct vs incorrect, they're more about how much help you need on the way. Almost everyone will get to the end of the interview with a working solution, but sometimes they'll need to be outright told how to solve the problem, sometimes we'll just point out test cases for them, and sometimes they'll do the whole thing on their own.

>Do you think this is a bad approach?
I was mostly commenting on the "50 candidates applying" part of your post. Companies might get 50, or 100, or 200 candidates applying for every interview, but most of those candidates will be astonishingly unqualified. You won't just get candidates who only list Drupal and PHP on their resume, or can't do fizzbuzz, you'll get some who have nothing but Excel.

>>13956747
I know lots of people who make a really decent amount to of money with no college and college students who have dead end jobs with no future. College is a jewish scam.

salary means fuck all after a certain point. once you get to the comfy point, even if you make more money, it tends to be a trade off for your time and attention/stress. there is no future in waging. do you cucks really plan to committing 50% of your waking hours to working for the rest of your lives? have a plan to take back your life.

>>13960209
>do you cucks really plan to committing 50% of your waking hours to working for the rest of your lives?
No, which is why salary is important. If you're on /biz/ and you don't have a spreadsheet with a graph showing how close you are to freedom, what are you even doing?

>>13959835
Nice larp. Im

>>13960234

Watching Korean dramas on netflix.

>>13960125
college for 80% of students is a scam, the 20% who manage to major in good stuff and get onto the nepotism ladder make it big, like most of the state of our world

>>13960234
>graph

umm, anon, can you teach me how to do this? i make 35k as a network admin in california and am all in on link (20k) do you have youtube videos or a general outline on what i should be looking at? i have 6k saved up in the bank right now that i've been saving up to buy a house and rent out the rooms to make passive income

teach me your ways so i can get out of this daily hell

>>13961050

Agreed. I majored in business administration with an emphasis in supply chain operations and I'm part of the 80%. Oh well, I got the degree for free, so no regrets. I tried Engineering, but I couldn't do it.

>>13956431
I did an easy as fuck MIS degree at a state school an started working a month after graduating making 105k. Not too bad considering the degree was extremely easy compared to an engineering/cs degree. However, I've seen CS and software engineering majors make 140k starting if they know what they're doing and aren't just shut ins that can't socialize. Despite all the memes about pajeets taking over the jobs, it's still a really good degree to guarantee yourself a job, but you have to apply yourself. I'm trying to get into data science and sharpen my programming skills to get into predictive analytics/machine learning now, since that's where the easy money is at right now I think.

>>13961125
>35k skilled job in commiefornia
jesus christ what is the point

>>13961621
pay for single moms an mexican niggers. i hope >>13960234 replies to me with some gold i can use lol

>>13961722
fucking god damn shit california is the worst.

>data analyst role in OC
>posted 1 week ago
>1200+ applicants on linkedin alone

even if you're qualified as shit you still have horrible odds and theres a fat chance they hire some H1B street shitter for 10k less than anyone else.

i regret comp sci every day of my life.

i think i might have an interview for a job fixing bitcoin ATMs soon though, so maybe it will pay off. wish me luck boys

>>13956431
I’m in the DC metro area and got quoted $40-50k for an entry level dev position I interviewed for recently.

It was for some kind of small govt contractor too, and they said up front on the very first call that they “don’t do remote work, we want you to be onsite” (it was in Fairfax VA to be exact; a 1.5hr commute for me).

What in the actual fucking fuck. I thought that was some weird anomaly but I guess this thread confirms it. I graduated with 2 engineering degrees 2 years ago (EE and biometrics/image processing) and I didn’t even fucking get the job at the end.

BRB kms