/biz/ - Business & Finance

Token price only rises when buyers are willing to pay market price. It's not going to rise so that it can meet an arbitrary need.

>>13529709
It will rise when more than 80% of the supply is locked in long term contracts between big dick corporations and banks

>>13529709
If link is adopted, running a node will give you passive income so people will want to join in
The new mining
Connected to the api economy

>>13529799

>>13529709
>basic supply and demand won't affect the price
the absolute state of nu/biz/

>>13530049
>Sir, our contract requires that 20 billion dollars of collateral be staked, but the total value of all link tokens is only 10 billion. What do we do now?
>Buy. Up. Everything.

>>13529967
PER COIN

>>13529709
You just BTFO'd yourself here: >>13530087

>>13529709


The purpose of Chainlink is a network that incentives truthful data provided by individuals running LINK nodes (aka known as mining 2.0) while also providing compensation to smartcontracts just in case false data was used to trigger an agreement.

So the price will rise not only to meet the insured needs of smartcontracts but also because the LINK node miners are making money providing this service much like the price of BTC. (there are about 3 main factors that make the price rise one of them from mining and difficulty)

Its very simple.

The more LINK staked in the nodes, the more profit one can make running that node.
The more LINK staked in the nodes the bigger the smartcontract economy can become.
The more LINK staked in the nodes the more stable the network/connectivity becomes.
Finally
The more LINK staked in nodes the higher the price becomes.

We are witnessing something really special. The birth of the HTTP equivalent in Crypto.

The only comparable investment to LINK is when BTC or ETH first came about. Decentralized digital currency, Decentralized smartcontracts and now Decentralized oracle network. This trifecta will lead us into the next economic boom.

>>13530087
Holy shit you are a fucking retard hhahahahahahhahahah

>>13530837
Also BTC and Ethereum holders had to sell their BTC/ETH to get profits/cash out. With LINK you can stake in the node and cashout your staking rewards rather than cashing out completely and putting it into a stock fund to get dividends. It's as if you were required to stake BTC/ETH to mine BTC/ETH.

Basically LINK's tokenomics are designed for $1k+ per LINK.

>>13530906
>

Interesting. I hadn't thought of it like that. Cashing out your staked rewards for stocks. Is there reading material on this. Id love to understand more.

>>13530906
Or lock your node earnings in Maker turning them into Dai (assuming it will be available by then); cash out the stable tokens you need and unlock your LINK at your own leisure.

>>13530953
I plan on loaning my LINK to margin traders and other degenerates. I'll stake some too of course. Selling is dumb and short sighted.

>>13530906
>>13530837

MFW future millionaire

>>13530837
how much will link be worth in 2 years beloved

>>13530382
>>13530852
Who's gonna buy it up and carry the initial risk?

>>13531086
2 years is too far out. a lot depends how big the smartcontract economy is at that point and who is adopting.

End of year 2019? Chainlink will be $50 - $70. 3rd in overall market cap in crypto.

2020? hard to determine.

>>13531436
capped im going to make fun of you when its at 55 cents eoy

>>13531436
>End of year 2019? Chainlink will be $50 - $70. 3rd in overall market cap in crypto.
wat mate? 100x in like 200 days? why?

>>13531436
How sure are you?

>>13531436
keep in mind, one of the catalyst for the Chainlink run will be when banks start to announce they are using Decentralized oracles, LINK nodes, for their smartcontracts.

At this point, there will be a massive selloff of XRP.

its been 7 years of mainnet for XRP and nowhere near the adoption it hoped to have. Imagine, 7 years and still....only .30c.

People will see that the new "bankers coin" is LINK. there will be a massive outflow of XRP into LINK. The whales that really understand both projects have already started the migration. They hold both now but will abandon the other soon.

>>13531468
>Imagine, 7 years and still....only .30c.
anon... do you even marketcap

>>13531454
Mainnet comes with announcements.

When LINKers say all of crypto will use Chainlink. They really mean it. But they are saying it for a reason.

Think for one second how all these platforms are to connect with the real world for execution. There is only one option, Chainlink.

Now think of the legacy systems that Chainlink has been built for from the ground up.

Think JPM coin, Think Swift, Think Facebook, Think Docusign, etc... etc..

Link will be worth $60 in 2025 if it’s lucky enough to see widespread adoption.

>>13531468
10k LINK with XRP marketcap would be around 360k $
Not bad at all.
https://whatifcoinmarketcap.com/

>>13531508
you can't just do that math yourself?

>>13531537
i dont waste my autistic brain cells on math.

>>13531454
September
PSD2
You're welcome

>>13529799
this. ignore discord trannies

>>13529658
>2. LINK tokens are used as collateral value. Smartcontracts will use Chainlink nodes that carry a % value of LINK to the value of the Smartcontract. So yes, you can start a node without LINK but no one will use it. High value smartcontracts or any contract that has value will use nodes that carry the same or a % of value of LINK.

It triggers me whenever someone calls LINK collateral. First off, explain how you mean that LINK provides this "collateral". In order to provide the promise to a contract that it will be compensated in case the external data network fails for some reason, chainlink needs some way to verify that the network has failed. How does Chainlink know when it has failed? It had some value to pass to the contract, and whatever value it passes, it assumes to be correct. It assumes the data to be correct despite the possibility of attack to the chainlink network or the data provider. Sure, the possibility of bad data is always a risk, no matter how well Chainlink attempts to mitigate the risk. But the fact remains that in the worst case scenario where the contract misfires on bad data fed through chainlink, there's no way to offer compensation. Your 1 billion usd staked in chainlink nodes cant be deducted to pay out the collateral to the 1 billion usd contract. Furthermore, it cant be so simple to determine the value of the contract because the value may be determined by whatever number of users are relying on the data at any given time. The contract could be worth 1m usd today and 1b usd tomorrow. Sure, the "collateral" could be variable and update to whatever the current value is, but that doesnt change the fact that you have no way to get those users their collateral in case of bad data. So if collateral isn't possible, why should contracts expect nodes to stake LINK that matches the value of the contract?

>>13531597
>if you're not using your link to get peed on in vegas then i don't know what to tell thee.

>>13531384
Thousands neets

>>13529658
You know what? TEE's will negate the possibilty of hostile nodes. The only reason to demand "collateral" is to prevent nodes from turning off their node mid job. How much value would reasonably be expected to be held as "collateral" in that case? Well, it would be more than the opportunity cost to the node who would be able to ditch the job for a significantly higher paying job. But I would have my reputation take a hit in addition to lost stake, so the stake would be even lower. So what is a painful amount of LINK for a node to lose? I wouldn't want to lose more than $10 of LINK, so maybe it's reasonable to assume every contract, regardless of value, would ask for a $10 stake. Just high enough to keep the node incentivized to stay online.

Nothing to do with that collateral, match the value of the contract, bullshit

>>13531623

Simple,

The node used for smartcontract execution locks up the LINK until the contract has executed successfully.

>>13531688
Are banks and insurers willing to lock their millions until the contract is executed too ?

>>13531688
no dumbass. Collateral isn't just the obvious act of staking your LINK, it's the implication that the staked LINK compensates something in certain circumstances. Shills want you to believe staked LINK compensates the contract in case something goes horribly wrong and people lose money. There is no realistic way to actually do this, unfortunately

>>13531724
yeah, its called escrow

>>13531733

In this situation, the collateral is the smartcontract creator specifying a certain amount of LINK within the nodes it uses Just in case the smartcontract receives false.

So yes, the LINK tokens are used as collateral to the specified amount of which the creator feels comfortable with.

dumbass

>>13531552
>he doesn't understand that autists have a pathological need for pointless calculation
get out norman

>>13531733
Lemme guess, you haven't read the whitepaper. Why talk about something you know nothing about.

>>13531788
The only time when stake gets taken from a node is when it returns a value deemed incorrect by the network (returns a minority value when aggregated from a single API) or it fails to return a value while other nodes were successful at returning a value. This is the only way the network can determine that a node is at fault. Nodes arent penalized when the data source is faulty. They arent penalized as a whole when the network has failed to provide the contract with correct data. Nodes are only penalized individually for their personal performance and not as a generalized way to insure the contract

>>13531853
Oh I'm sorry honey, someone confronts you with reality and all you can say is
>muh prolly hasnt red da white ppr
real cute

Show me the part where the wp talks about collateral using the LINK token and I'll be BTFO. I'll wait

>>13531927
>admits to not reading the white paper
>still thinks he knows what hes talking about

Faggot.

>>13531884
When a service agreement is created, and the requester specifies that nodes must have an amount of LINK on deposit locked, it's for the duration of the service agreement. In the happy path, once the last node responds is when aggregation runs on-chain, and the results of the request. If a node doesn't respond (a faulty node) then someone has to manually kick off the aggregation.

This page has information on both service agreements and penalty deposits (including scenarios for penalty deposits.

- Thomas (Chainlink Admin)

>>13531999
https://github.com/smartcontractkit/chainlink/wiki/Protocol-Information

Like I said, you guys don't know how it works.

>>13531953
I've been learning about this shit longer than you homie

>>13531999
I know what a penalty deposit is, you dont need to educate me on it. What I'm confronting is the concept of collateral. Collateral is not the same as penalty deposit in terms of intended use case. Namely, the concept of insuring a contract with collateral staked in nodes is fundamentally flawed.

Was anyone else worried that Sergey literally only has 10 minutes of speaking time for the fluidity conference?

>>13532221

Im more curious as to what can be said in only 10 min?

>>13530837
please i just want enough to buy a modest house and have white children with my gf in finland... please god help me...
i believe in you bigmac money guy

>>13531999
>>13532035
Can two of You fight more,it looks like you actually did some research before posting on this anime coin forum. As my gratitude and payment, i attach rare photography of crab parade made by some fren this year. Thanks

>>13532318
Tervehdys veli-suomalainen, älköön huoliko; sillä toiveesi toteutunee yhden auringon kierron sisään.

>>13532035
Yes, but is the smartcontract creator that specifies the value of the penalty deposit which in turn makes it collateral value.

If I am setting up a 1 million dollar smartcontract/ bond and I choose to use a network of oracles and specify a 1million dollar penalty deposit. that then becomes my collateral.

>>13532411
*it is

>>13530837
THIS MAN TELLS THE TRUTH

Coming soon check the pivotal™

>>13530837
>So the price will rise not only to meet the insured needs of smartcontracts
Who's going to buy the price up? It doesn't follow that price will automatically change if there is an apparent need to justify a certain price. Somebody has to buy it up, and if the opportunity cost of buying it up (and maintaining the token price at a certain level) is higher than the expected value of executing those contracts, then nobody is going to do it. You're basically asking for entire industries of competitors to work together and enforce a consensus about Link's value so that they can all do business with it and expect a stable token price. It's a cool story but also one of the least likely things that could possibly happen.

>>13532536
You're not smart enough to argue with him. Ask your handler for talking points you can copy/paste.

>>13529799
you know have to pay per call right? you know you have to pay to keep a server or an aws instance up right?

>>13530906
now how it wokrs. You have ot be careful getting ides from deluded retards

>>13531468
>People will see that the new "bankers coin" is LINK.
thats not what link is

>>13532606
>>13532606
>You're not smart enough to argue with him. Ask your handler for talking points you can copy/paste.

>>13532536
>Who's going to buy the price up?
Are you retarded?

>>13532606
Blessed

>>13532606
Point out where the argument is wrong.
>>13532746
Like I said, hopefully there's an unprecedented collaborative effort between 'literally hundreds' of gigantic corporations to reach a consensus on and buy up Link's value while simultaneously having enough contracts consuming data (ie. buying pressure) from day one to maintain the decided upon token value. It's either that completely deluded scenario or the network and token value slowly/steadily increase as more and more contracts are served. My post is more directed at people who believe that the first scenario will happen.

>>13532536
Apparently irrefutable.

>>13532536

Sergey actually made a system that works like the sex market, imagine being as enlightened as him, you just can't understand unless you are really redpilled

>>13532606

>>13532967
I struggled with this too.

>How does the token value magically increase with network usage?

Because to use the network, you buy LINK (even if you pay for it in fiat, shekels, whatever, via a converter) so the value of LINK will equal a proportion of the network's transactions.

That's as I understand it anyway. I'm also retarded.

>>13532652
How new are you?
The entire reason /biz/ got link craze was in 2017 when SWIFT bankrolled sergey’s project after he presented them a proof on concept at Sibos. Let’s think about it....
>SWIFT provides over 11,000 banks with the necessary fintech to be competitive
>EU beuracrats pass PSD2 legislature REQUIRING all banks in the EU to allow API’s to access customers account information

How are these API’s going to safely transfer funds from one party to another under psd2? Hmmm.... if only there was a deterministic protocol that allowed for a safe and trustless method of transferring money, you know, a smart contract?
How are these contracts going to receive the necessary data to maintain a level of trustlessness promised by this deterministic protocol? Hmm.... if only there was a network that allowed a safe delivery of data onto these contracts, one that is ISO 2022 compliant, backed by SWIFT and open source as required by PSD2. Man, if only there was a project that fits all those requirements......

>>13532536


The answer to your broken question is above.

The only other question you have to ask is

How big is the smartcontract economy going to be?

I will make it simple for you. Multiple choice test.

a)Trillions
b)Quadrillion

>>13531508
If Link hits xrp's peak mcap from the last bubble, its token price would be $400.

>>13532652


I said "one of the catalyst"

>>13534160
I get it. If anybody had the spare funds and vision to justify buying early retirement for a few thousand lucky idiots they would. I guess I didn't understand that most everyone involved with it at this point also understands the long term vision, and probably wouldn't sell into confirmation that the vision was going to happen. It's just absurd to imagine it playing out like everyone hopes.

>>13533231
Yes, thats part of it.

But a lot of you are missing what was explained earlier in the thread. Yes, there is transaction value of LINK within the decentralized oracle network. that is the same with many platforms. Usage and adoption.

But what I stated before let me be clear again.

"The more LINK staked in the nodes, the more profit one can make running that node. "

Hello. This property right here is unique. The higher the smartcontract value the higher the value of LINK in the nodes will need to carry. Which will in turn give node operators a higher percentage RETURN.

So it is not just transactions that gives LINK value. This is a full on business network for LINK node operators. The more money node holders use to buy LINK, stake LINK, the more money they make. The incentive is huge.

Let me spell it out in a different way.

The more money you can make mining ETH or BTC is dependant on how much money your sinking in to the equipment to do so. Its wasteful, expensive, and the upkeep is insane. The cost of energy consumption is just not doable any more.

With LINK, your mining data. and all it takes is a couple of CPUs. People referred to this as mining 2.0.

Theres no difficulty as you are not competing with other miners. No high energy cost like running an antminer. No waste that comes from traditional mining. Instead, all you need is MORE LINK to grab higher contracts. thats it. Can you imagine once the network is live how many node holders will continue to stack LINK as the smartcontract economy grows???

The frogs throw 1000 eoy around here but here is a reason for that. yes, they are joking but once you really understand what gives LINK value you realize thats not too far fetched.

>>13534285

Nividia earned $9.7 billion in revenues in 2017 due to their graphics cards being adopted for mining. Thats just one provider.

People around the world are spending close to 20 billion a year just on mining equipment. Imagine now, its not the equipement one has to invest in. Instead, all they have to do is buy more LINK token to reap higher rewards.

This is one of the beauties of Chainlink tokenomics.

>>13534396
should i buy 21 btc or 100k link beloved

>>13534285
We already settled that $1000 is fud

>>13530936
What's to read? You get paid in Link to run a node. You cash that Link out instead of cashing out your original stack. You then take the cash and put it in an index fund in order to live off the returns. My exact plan.

>>13530087
This anon understands.
You’ll make it fren

>>13530837
Sounds like The_Crypto_Oracles writing.

>>13534449
He's at a NAMBLA meeting tonight.

>650 million unaccounted tokens.
Let that sink in

>>13530837
BASED ART THOU

The crypto oracle and his followers are delusional. LINK $60 EOY 2025

Chainlink simply cannot not be $1000 end of year 2019. It is mathematically impossible

>>13535291
all ready to be distributed to banks, insurance companies, binance and coinbase the first year of mainnet. Let that sink in.

>>13535777
300m for chainlink team
350m for node incentives
0m for banks, coinbase, etc.

>>13535777
Checked based anon.
Microsoft partnership plus Amazon (wen smile duh!) Coming very soon. 26 June will be the first chainlink global summit. Mainnet will be released.

>>13535777
Checked

>>13535777
checked

>>13535777
Trips of truth

>>13531468
I'd expect everyone to start selling connection to their system. It's not about partnerships but integrations with Chainlink

>>13534167

remember that a lot the circlulating supply will be staked too. also factor in normies fomo buying... yeah this shits gonna pump.

>>13535838
You can bet a huge portion of that $650m Link are in the hands of Swift and the Banks that own/support it. The rich get richer. Hodl on.

>>13531384
I did my part. Brought the price from .18 to .30.

>>13537138
And a lot of these "partnerships" are actually integrating Chainlink into their systems. They're customers.

>>13535777

>>13535777
Nice

>>13534449

I am not that person butThe_Crypto_Oracles is a treasure to LINK twitter and Chainlink community. They put out some of the most well written pieces in all of crypto.

I myself have taken a step back off Twitter just because there are enough marines spreading the good word.

For now, im just sitting comfy.

bump for a good thread

CHAINLINK 777 $370 EOY

I dont know how to buy crypto unless it's on robinhood :(
Would love to own some link

>>13539288
Also. Is it possible that LINK completely folds and my investment goes to 0 or will there always be some demand for it

>>13539245
Just get a Binance account and send your bitcoin there to buy link. Binance is arguably the safest trading exchange and if you are not comfortable, get a hardware wallet (ledger), put your link there and just hold

>>13539010
bump

>>13530837
>The more LINK staked in the nodes, the more profit one can make running that node.
>The more LINK staked in the nodes the bigger the smartcontract economy can become.
>The more LINK staked in the nodes the more stable the network/connectivity becomes.
>Finally
>The more LINK staked in nodes the higher the price becomes.

Probably one of the most important tips biz will ever receive about Chainlink.

>>13530837
>>13539592

i wonder what the circulating supply will be EOY

>>13539288
what's your kik? i can hook you up brother. send me ETH and I will send you back an equivalent amount of LINK, minus 1% for the trouble.

>>13534396
so basically you just buy tokens to mine

holy shit sergey is a genius

>>13534396
So Chainlink tokens are basically nvidia gpus adapted for blockchain use

>>13540350
yes, at this point 100$ eoy is fud

>>13540300

You buy more LINK to capture higher valued smartcontracts.

Yes, Sirgery is a genius.

>>13540389
lmao people were saying this last year

>>13540602

this time its different

>>13540621
lmao people were saying this last year

>>13540795

but this time it's different

Nobody gives a fuck about a scammy erc20 token

>>13532967
>hopefully there's an unprecedented collaborative effort between 'literally hundreds' of gigantic corporations
What do you think will happen when news leaks that massive corporations are complaining that the Link token price isn't high enough?
How do you think the normie masses will react?
This is exactly the type of thing the market resolves organically, by itself. It would be Bitcoin, but many many orders of magnitude greater.

Increasing the supply by node rewards which get sold off will only dump the price, kids

How do you think staking will increase any value to a token nobody needs

As LINK rockets higher keep your eye on XRP.

XRP whales have already been selling and putting their profits into LINK.

>>13529658
$10000

>>13529658
its a meme coin we pumped during the bear market, its litteraly nothing more than vaporware. get out while u still can. The market is about to pump 3-4x while link begins its slow and painful descent to <10c

>>13539349
remember to lock in the price

>>13543199
dubs of truth