/biz/ - Business & Finance

List of stuff being built right now :
- Social network https://junto.foundation/
- "Internet of Energy" https://redgrid.io/
- Agricultural supply chain https://www.producersmarket.com/
- Event management https://www.metavents.com/
- P2P publishing https://humm.earth/
- Governance tools http://cogov.startbutton.com/ (site under construction)
- "Internet of Ideas" https://beta.bridgit.io/ (also related to http://crowdfact.io/))
- Academic publishing https://github.com/OmniProject/omni
- "Reputation interchange" https://www.sacred.capital/ (see also: https://www.sacred.capital/credit-economy))
- Construction supply chain https://buildsort.com/
- Collaborative video game design https://www.setmatchgames.com/
- A ValueFlows / REA economic network coordination system https://github.com/holo-rea/holo-rea
- Reddit alternative: Comet https://holochaincitizen.com/2018/09/05/comet-the-decentralized-reddit-killer-designed-to-end-moderator-abuse-and-sybil-attacks/
- Noomap http://noomap.info/ and Infinite World Game https://iwg.life/
- Hylo https://www.hylo.com/
- Haven (social travel app)
- Clutter is being rewritten into rust (community project)
- File storage app (just starting up, community project)
- Scribe project: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1OKfArbWwbSPwxLphEhlNid8Wm8d0cjavAoITP1w95NU/edit?usp=sharing
- Bhive https://bhive.coop/

In what world does increased competition drive prices up?

>>13436634
The idea is that with increased competition you get more hosting per holofuel, thus giving each holofuel unit more intrinsic value. Will that work in practice? I have no fucking idea

>>13436661
How is this not fiat with extra steps? Why am I spending USD to get these clumsy tokens that are only accounted for by a central authority?

>>13436661
>giving each holofuel unit more intrinsic value
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
HOLOCHAIN IS LITERAL PIPEDREAM TRASH

fucking tether pce of shit flooding the board
bump for vision

>centralized junk coin with no real value
>token added purely to raise funds
>not integral to the protocol
meh

can’t wait for the /biz/ meltdown when this pulls a trx. Go browse the archive to see how this board reacted to its previous pumps.

Holochain/Holo is going to explode at some point. The idea is genius. It's like Airbnb for hosting. Instead of having to build massive data centers, the hosting network will be decentralized and powered by holoports which allow the people to earn money, instead of giant corporations.

Not to mention Holochain is literally a way better version of Blockchain that will cater to any Development needs, it won't force any one global concensus mechanism, which allows a developer to build an app in any way they choose in a decentralized and secure way.

This market has never had a product with the potential of this before. While Etheri was grande and opened the eyese to many, it's flaws are clear and it's extremely limited at scale. Holochain will be a bigger explosion in terms of price, Development of apps, and overall impact on our world then anything we have seen before in this space other then maybe Bitcoin.

If you haven't looked into the project, then you need to do so now.

I can't wait boys. We're all unironically going to be millionaires

>>13436622
This is a legit thread so it will get ignored

>>13437748
>bagholder spam
>legit thread
pick one

>>13437748
ikr, made so many of those the past year, refer to >>13437438 pic just for an idea.
Still, there are way more lurkers than posters so i'm sure some anons are still getting good stuff from quality posts.

>>13437817
it's totally centralized... see >>13436727
> Why am I spending USD to get these clumsy tokens that are only accounted for by a central authority?

>>13436634

Bullish.

holding up better than btc

>>13438245
Thx for making this

>>13438245
comfy as humanly possible

>>13436622
I usually ignore every heavily shilled token in biz, or I got in at the beginning and sold long ago

HOT is one I've never touched though. Cap is already quite high. Red pill me on this vs any other solid top50 project. Why will this one outperform most of the others? Market cap predictions for eoy, 12 months and end of 2020?

over hyped vaporware
check flexa instead

Only 100k I got gifted from a kind anon. If this ever crosses $0.40 I'll be there with free $40,000

ETH is dropping you know what that means HoloChads.

buying HOT now

>>13439159
fucking this, everytime btc or eth dip, holo moons to a greater fiat value

>>13439112
damn i dont even own 100k. im a 58Klet

>>13439191
Welcome Avant-Gardiste friend

Holomarines, your status depends on when you got in

ICO - Diviner
Pre Idex crash - Occultist
Post Idex crash - Clairvoyant
Binance announcement - Shaman
First binance pump - Medium
Second binance pump - Apprentice
Before third binance pump - Avant-Gardiste

>>13439369
sir holomarine sir i just hit 80k HOT sir been accumulating for a while sir

>>13438699
it's a scam. no consensus algo even planned. If you want to try a ride a flavor of the month scam it should be rank 200 or lower

>>13439408
Global consensus is a meme.

>>13436622
IT'S A VAPORWARE HARDWARE KICKSTARTER SCAM YOU FUCKING RETARD
Holy shit is this what pure dunning kruger looks like? Literally complaining about a lack of pageet scam shilling fuck me

>>13436622
how do you know its the absolute bottom lmao, pajeet detected, go shill elsewhere poo nigger

>>13439408
>>13439425
pathetic cope. the bullshit fud is one of the most bullish signs this is a jupiter mission.

>>13439415
consensus is the only thing that keeps a token valuable. Without consensus anyone could print 1 billion HOT and no one could prove it was fake.
But of course that's not happening because they don't even have a network, and are just another erc20 scam eth token.

>>13439486
Holofuel isn't a token you fucking brainlet. This ain't blockchain.

>>13436622
>>13436628
A DURKA DURKA DURKA DURKA DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT BOBS BOBS BOBS BOBS BOBS POOPERPOWER TWARNTY TWARNTY

>>13439425
>>13439437
>>13439486
>>13439502
hello WPC

>>13439498
https://etherscan.io/token/0x6c6ee5e31d828de241282b9606c8e98ea48526e2

Sorry to break it to you bud. And if its not blockchain then it's worthless and you shouldn't dump money into it lol

>>13439538
That's HOT, not Holofuel.

Just how fucked in the head are you?

>>13439459
>bullshit fud
U wot? You think not even having the whitepaper finished A YEAR after fundraising is "fud"? Its fact you delusional faggot. Where are your stupid ass hardware boxes? Don't tell me STILL DELAYED!?

>>13439369
We should determine ranks by amounts

>>13439552
https://twitter.com/holoislandnews/status/1121530960938512384?s=21

>>13439602
Agreed

>>13439626
I'll take that as a NO. More empty promised for their stupid as fuck community.
>soon

>>13439665
Show me where Holo touched you.

>>13439673
>we don't have any tech but would you like some snappy reddit clapback?

>>13439686
No tech huh? Holochain has been live for a while, devs are already building apps: https://github.com/holochain/holochain-rust/

Still in the top Github commits as well: https://www.cryptomiso.com/ (currently number 2)

>>13439602
I prefer on the time of adoption. It tells more about one's understanding of a revolutionary tech. There is more merit to it then just having a lot of money imo.

>>13439359
Maybe because every shitcoin is on the ethereum platform, they literally cannot exist without eth

>>13439727
>comparing commit count
wew lad. Or should I say, wew zir

linkies must be in a bad mood today and taking it out on holochads

So how much is everyone holding? 2mm here

>>13440334
0

>>13440354
>refreshing the thread to post this bullshit

>>13437594
God I hope you're right. I rode the Tron wave but I should have bought more. This time I'm ready. If HOT pulls a Tron I will finally have enough money to kill myself without regrets.

>>13440458
Based and hendrix pilled

>>13439842
How about both

>>13440334
50mil

>>13436622
I don't know much bout HOLO but im holding some.
I don't know what to think about it but seeing what kind of low quality fud there's around I'm super comfy

>>13438699
i own $50k worth of HOT DYOR
the tech is top 5 material easily

>>13439486
>what is a dht?
>what is local censensus
imbecile
>>13439538
idiot
>>13439930
most erc20s will die anyways

>>13441535
The tech is good. The economic model is not. A token swap controller by a central bank that will be the only one able to transform to fiat. Even the team is warning about this fact: once you swap, you will use it for hosting or transfer hands. No entity to convert to fiat or other cripto has been confirmed. No exchange will support it until the whole system is well tested for months. The first years, Holofuel price will drop finding its real value, while Holo ERC20 Token will either be sold to something else, or converted to something with decreasing value.

>>13441724
this only affects hosts / payouts. will see, i don't see why people would sell HOT below established market prices though esp. with more hosts joining and the logarithmic pricing model

>>13441776
Because nobody cares about decentralisation but price/performance, and AWS will be always winner, and because anything build on Holochain will not have adoption for years to come.
The last post, where they are unable to compare with blockchain TPS due to the different nature of happs (that did not stop them for the ICO tho) should raise some concerns. Even more those bottlenecks and performance issues, without details of what they are.
I am expecting some operations to be really slow (any kind of search) that will limit the use cases.

>>13441909
AWS has a totally different value proposition. Holo isn't aiming to be the cheapest hosting provider, it aims to be a scalable ETH (smart-contracts with HTTP API). Global consensus is arguably the main impediment to scalability, i don't understand why not having a TPS limit is a concern, it's a huge benefit if anything.This is really reddit-tier FUD, lots of opinion presented as fact. Either you are all in since April 18 or you missed the boat, HOT has saved my portfolio the last 12 months

>>13439369
6mil occultist here

>>13441964
this

>>13441964
good reply
bump, made it through the night

>>13442755
Good morning anon. Have a nice day

>>13442755
Will Imake it with 8 million HOT?

>>13441964
Holo is not an scalable ETH, its use case are absolutely different. Cryptokitties would be impossible on Holo as there is need for a global consensus, not agent centric one, and when you use holo for something is not meant to be (simulated blockchain), it will always be less secure and slower than a blockchain. Also note that there is not even a theoretical implementation of a happ simulating blockchain behavior, everything is agent centric where you keep your keys and history and then have relationships with other users. That's the use cases, as seen in all example happs: transfer of tokens, simplistic social networks, posting, etc., nothing with complex logic or many-to-many consensus.

>>13442902
unironically yes if you're patient

>>13442902
without a doubt

>>13436622
Shill

>>13443133
Fake news

>>13443133
this is simply incorrect anon, i am sorry for the misunderstanding. i advise you to reread the developer docs and all papers

>>13443133
This is dumb. Cryptokitties is a very simple use case that would benefit massively from being built with Holochain.

>>13444095
+1

>>13441470
>I don't know much bout HOLO but im holding some.
Don't worry anon, every idiot who shills this garbage is in the same boat because anyone who does actually know "much" about holo doesn't want anything to fucking do with it.

>>13442874
Thank you anon, nice image btw
>>13444768
you are missing one level, and it's those who do fucking know about holo and they are holding tight.
Your level is just those who know enough to understand possible fud but don't know enough to understand it's unbased.

>>13444768
Cringe and bluepilled

>>13444768
the level you are talking about it those who understand enough to see potential fud, but don't understand enough to see it's unbased.
>>13442874
thank you anon, nice image btw

>>13444768
Its going to 2000 sats faggot and nothing you say will stop it

>>13445204
facts

>>13436622
I bought 660k HOT, I don't have a lot of faith that it will moon at this stage, though the idea's put forward could be big.

No point jumping ship when I'm 60% down.

>>13445330
Damn, when did you buy in?
Even if you bought the top you'll at least 2-3x in the coming weeks

>>13445330
how can you be 60% down on HOT??? is this FUD? holo will hit 1000sats by ramadan anon just hold. i am sitting on 21 million HOT and have never been comfier

>>13445728
Inshallah

>>13446183

>>13444837
>>13444841
Sorry losers there are only two kinds of people interested in holo, scammers and non-tech brainlets. I guess you're the first group, but bad news - unless you're "friends and family" you're going to get dumped on too.

>>13446280
late-adopter cringe. the tech is stellar

>>13446280
Hey hows chainlink holding up?

>>13440334
10 mil
Got in before the massive shill on biz

>>13446458

>>13440334
35 million

>>13446757

>>13446757
Heh

>>13446297
>>13446458
>calling oldfags late adopters
>unironically holding a kickstarter hardware scam
Hows that star citizen ultra galactic battlecruiser treating you? Any day now, right?

>>13447049
>Moons 45x in ETH terms in the bear market
>Must be a scam
bonobo tier fud, the hardware crowdfund was among other things done to allow burgers to participate in the ico. holoports won't be needed forever, every fucking pajeet phone will be able to run a node soon.

>>13447079
>soon

>>13447106
why are you so miserable anon? where did they touch you? soon is when the mainnet launches, they are currently in closed alpha / final testing stages and the holoport devices have been shipped out already. see you on the moon, this will hit at least 5-10 cent

>>13447171
bump

>>13447079
What else did well in the bear market? I can only think of HOT and BNB.

>>13447928
bears

>>13447928
Did a small research and there you go. website is coincodex. Minus the coins that broke the chart you can have a good idea.
It's sorted by top gainers in the top 100 since last year. The small % under is agaisnt BTC.

>>13448370
note that the chart doesn't help holo since just a bit before, it was way way way lower, refer to those
>>13446997
>>13447009

>>13448370
Where's LINK yo

>>13448602
on that particular list, it was 18th

>>13449026

>>13449074

>pumped to 1488 vits
the whales backing this have a good sense of humor. I hope they deliver for Ramadan

I feel very strong FOMO from all these shillings

>>13449352
That gave me a good laugh too. It's foretold.

>>13449416
From your words to Allah’s ears

>>13449955
And your digits to Allah's eyes

I have 750k just to be safe :3

Rumor has it, it’s the next coinbase coin. They were looking for something with a small value because apparently people find that appealing idk

>>13450065
It'll happen eventually, HOT is already displayed under "other assets" but obviously not for trade until after tokenswap.

>>13447171
>why are you so miserable anon?
I touched a nerve, huh? Don't worry I'm sure your sooncoin isnt like all the rest of the hardware scams. It will definitely deliver. Any day now....

>>13450065
Where’d you hear that?

>>13450065
You're not supposed to know about this. Who's your source?

hell yea, la fiesta rn
hows the friday night going for holochads?
bump that shit we going to 2000 sats

>>13450065

>>13446997
>>13447009
>not being invested in both

>>13450065
yep, Coinbase likes HOT it has mass real world appeal like Brave/BAT. Going to be a massive CB pump when it lists.

>>13451680
comfy af anon

good shit guys

is this the skycoin for zoomers?

>>13452155

>>13450065
someone post that screenshot of the holo hackathon that was retweeted by coinbase

>>13452241
>>13451680
>>13451633

>>13452241
this ?

>>13452415
no, it was a tweet announcing a holo hackathon that got retweeted or "liked" by coinbase.

>>13452463
kek I jused this image to FUD holo when it was just listed on IDEX last summer - good memories

>>13452339
holo is truly the /godcoin/
will easily go to 2000 sats once the NPCs realize how game-changing the technology is. i bet most investors never even read the greenpaper or anything because they aren't autistic enough to grasp the genius of this invention. blockchain is unironically over, holo will replace everython but bitcorn.

>>13452885
let them FOMO at 500 sats

how much are you holding faggots?
t. 1.3 million HOT poorfag

>>13452885
unironically true. Can't wait to dump on clueless normies.

>>13453222
2mm also nice trips. the wheel of fortune has blessed you inshallah

How long can this scam last? Holochain solves everything by offering nothing! Crypto is such a fucking joke

>>13452885
Yep. Can’t wait to read all the salty rage posts when it happens.

>>13453413
inshalla habibi
>>13453430
>makes ETH irrelevant, does a 45x in the bear market
>fucking joke, what a scam, nothingburger

>>13451640
This

>>13454080
An ERC20 token with a large supply that had a relatively small ico was promptly listed on Binance, did well in a bear market. Congratulations its still vaporware garbage, screencap this for when Holo releases nothing in 2021

Holo more like homo

>>13454337
Future “I was just pretending to be retarded” poster here

>>13451680
It almost feels like coin base isnt even a thing anymore.

>>13450065
Fake news. Devs have said they are limiting exchanges until holofuel is live.

>>13438245
imagine getting this far into the circular logic of bag holding, holy fuck. Alts are bullish because they either DO something unique or there are a lot of idiots who believe they will, and HOT falls squarely into the latter category. It may well go up a lot from here but this thing is a total piece of shit right now. Inb4 more comparisons to Tron.

>>13439551
>reality is not reality because some old hippies made promises!

>>13454480
A permissioned ledger with a convoluted credit system where the boomers control the monetary policy is going to make ETH irrelevant. See you in 2021

>>13455509
You almost get it.

TAnon-TArd reporting in

>>13456313
What's your assessment, fren?

>>13456313
that's a nice comparison anon

>>13451640
>>13454252
The 4chan stinky feet combo

I'm also a member

>>13436622
is everyone ready for the birthday pump?

>>13456714

>>13438245
>This project has been in development for more than 10 years (before Bitcoin existed).
Then why the FUCK isn't it finished yet? Are you bagholders going to wait ANOTHER 10 years? lmao

>>13457525
ceptr . com

>>13436622
Any good videos for brainlets who want to be more educated on HOT? I have a gut feeling this will pump hard if a bull market ever returns.

5 cents eoy

>>13458194
one dollar 2021

8.6 million gigachad reporting in for duty

>>13436622
Bottom is 0.

>>13457525
>He doesn't know it took the internet about 25 years to see mass adoption

Good things take time Anon.

>>13457566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAE43h8imuk

>>13454252
Chad folio

we're moving on up lads.
ETH chart is obviously manipulated

>>13459570
Dynamics of low sats coins

I'm not sure whether we'll go regularly up for a while or if an awful bleeding then crazy pump will happen as last time