/biz/ - Business & Finance

giving idiots money is not a good idea
they will spend it on crack and weed and shit

I am poor but if the government wants to do something they can build me a low income housing...or free housing if they want everything to be free...whatever

more money just means more idiots

>>13405155
You're an idiot. The reason there are basic human rights is because the world elite has always needed to placate plebs to do the work and the fighting.
Soon they will have robots for both. You do the math.
Human fucking rights, haha.

cant wait to not have to work. UBI save me

>>13405188
>more money means more idiots
found one

>>13405196
This.

>>13405155
Again, UBI will decrease the price of necessary labor, thus increasing surplus labor for the capitalist class.

Wages will go down, if the average worker can live with UBI + a smaller wage.

UBI will most likely be paid with taxes. Not with capital income.

>>13405196
It is the human rights of the exploited worker.

We take away your life? Here, take those "human rights". Almost free for us to give you those anyway.

>>13405353
this. I would be happy with 1k a month what more do I need I have not fallen for the consumerism meme

>>13405188
You do know that there are people that exist outside of druggies, right?

>muh self-perpetuating robot rat king
>it's just around the corner, just like Chainlink's mainnet

>>13405155
UBI is a gateway to complete and utter enslavement of the population by the elite along with paperless currency.

If you don't realize that and you can't connect the dots you're a fucking moron. Only true niggers and leeches support that shit because they don't give a fuck about anything but their current day.

>>13406078
>UBI is a gateway to complete and utter enslavement of the population by the elite along with paperless currency.
yeah but bitcoin will also go to a gorillion so you can live with the elites and not the peasants.

>>13405155
It will come but 50 years away. There will be a period of massive unemployment first, especially in USA.

>>13406160
>imagine thinking massive automation will take another 50 years
yikes
people will grab the pitchforks in 20 years max either it will come before that or we will have massive civil unrest. Wouldn't mind either

>>13406190
Nothing of what I said should make you think I think automation is 50 years away.

>>13406078
we know, my as well have fun on the way down

>>13406078
Of course it is, but you're also a fucking moron if you can't connect the dots that UBI is exactly where we are headed and there's barely anything that can be done to change that.

Ok sign me up for twenty billion dollars a month...and add a billion each day for the complete utter butt devastation that will come when every dumb nigger has 20 billion dollars and wants to buy a 40 billion dollar bucket of chicken

Yang weed 2020.

>>13405155
Shut up! If we don't give billionaires our money the whole system will collapse!

>>13405155
>discouraging productive people from working hard
>encouraging non-productive people to stay out of the workforce
>unearned wages of any kind
Take it to lefty/pol/.

>>13405155
ok.. come and take it

also
>100 million slave laborers ready and willing in the US alone.

>>13406830
So we take the billions and give them to everybody

>>13405155
This isn't /biz/. Take your communism back to /pol/ and continue to get btfo.

>>13405392
>free money*

ftfy. Look at the gibs and population explosion in Africa.

>>13406844
Sounds like a great idea. As long as we're on the subject we should make it legal to rape people more attractive than us too, as long as taking their money at gunpoint is on the table as well

>>13406865
>he didn't use greentext to imply sarcasm

>>13406190
> Imagine not realizing automation has been here for decades already
Yikes
It's sad seeing losers cling to this idea that someday everyone will be jobless. Makes them content with being retarded

>>13405155
I unironically can't wait for UBI to be implemented so I can see all of the minimum wage trumpledyte monkeys seethe when they see poorfags buying the same things they do.

>>13406944
Ghetto motherfuckers on food stamps literally buy steak and lobster

>>13406954
And they're going to be buying a whole lot more. Stay mad, beta white faggot

>>13406944
>communism will work this time

>>13406965
Whatever Tyrone...vote for booker not yang
He wants to give you reparations

>>13406978
>>13406980
>Work their asses off part time at McDonalds
>Literally seething because Tyrone can sit and make more money than them by doing literally nothing thanks to taxes
Stay mad, poor faggots. I'm loving every laugh.

>>13407021
The best part is when the economy crashes and you have no way to sustain yourself, the money dries up due to capital flight and tyrone starves to death.

>>13407021
>rich black men literally post on an Asian anime board
Let's see the blacked porn faggot

UBI is just theft of the means of production

just work and buy the means of production instead of getting into CC debt going to concerts and weed and complaining about the "bankers"

>>13407031
Damn, that's gonna suck! I guess it's time for you to get an education, kiddo!

>>13406912
Real automation revolution happened around 1900. That was when the nigs were rendered truly obsolete for eternity. Based Henry Ford

>>13407065
Thanks for your people's contributions to humanity Jamal. Not sure what I'd do without peanut butter

>>13407086
>patented street lights to ruin driving for white people yet again

>>13407091
>>13407065
Dont forget door knobs, how would we open doors with the negro?

>>13405155
>Let 6 billion people die
>Unemployment suddenly drops to 0%
>All food and clean water shortages end.
>hurr durr muh UBI.
Fuck off. Its not that there's not enough resources. It's that there's too many people.

>>13407086
Lmao and people today watch a Boston Dynamics video
> Oh the robot's lifting boxes there goes all the box lifting jobs!

>>13407103
The funny thing about Jews is they truly have a sick and twisted sense of humor.

>it's 1860 in southern US
>most slaves are owned by jews
>be abe lincoln, campaign slogan: #FreeTheNig
>north wins the war, slaves are freed
>years pass
>schlomo signs gangster nigs to rap deals, "gives" them millions
>nig goes to schlomo's cousin's gold jewellery store on sunset blvd
>nig buys gold chain with financing on credit by schlomo's other cousin working in finance in DTLA
>money stays in the tribe
>schlomo simply swapped the rusty iron chains for gold chains 150 years later
>nigs are so dumb that the chains are probably iron chains wrapped in paper thin gold
>now the nig literally buys his own chains and brags about it on social media
>other nigs dream of now becoming enslaved

i'll hand the jews a "W" on their treatment of the american negro. they'll never fully enslave Whites (they know this and they fucking hate it) -- but they know how to dick down the slave races of the world

>>13405155
the idea behind UBI is that its a streamlining of the ~143 state and federal gibs programs the US currently has. the state part is really where it shines because it effectively matches the federal contributions from the consolidation of SSI and medicare/medicaid. it won't actually cost the taxpayer anything extra and won't increase the amount of money circulating in the economy, it also makes it easier to control everyone's gibs because its all under the roof of one federal entity, namely, the IRS.

there are a shit ton of other implications like giving the president the ability to throttle everyones gibs via a singular federal entity, but hey thats tinfoil hat talk innit.

>>13406830
The problem with US is overspending on military.

When the US had 10 aircraft carriers someone thought it was a good idea to spend money on yet another one instead of improving the lives of US citizens, with better roads, hospitals or schools and so forth.

>>13407185
So you want poo power 2025

>>13406284
>>13406299
Nogs detected

>>13407185
>The problem with US is overspending on military.

>overspending

The US military is almost the size that it needs to be for the mission scope it's allies require. It does indeed need that 11th carrier because it has the entire worlds ocean to patrol and protect.

>>13407220
whatever you say Mr patriot...

>>13407185
Maybe you're underestimating the value of a dominant military, maybe because you had everything handed to you and you have 0 perspective on how many people live on this earth.

>>13407220
Lol, the only reason white people are loosing their homelands is because Obama and Bush bombed the shit out of the middle east back when they were minding their own business.
It's karma really, Europeans went to the Americas and fucked over the native populations and now Americans fucked over the Middle East and now underage European women and being fucked over by muzzy scum.

>>13407185
>...b-but how else will we fight naval battles on 11 fronts???

>>13407245
>>13407245
its a completely objective assessment. you choose to ignore the fact that the US provides defense services to its allies at little or no cost. given that mission, the size of the US military is appropriate.

If you were to say "fuck that, stop spending money on other people's defense!" I'd agree with you. I'd much rather have free secondary education and healthcare and a Hadron collider and all the other cool stuff that Europe gets to have.

>>13407268
I don't think any conservatives believe W was a saint. Alot of us are annoyed that he ever existed.

>>13407306
Lets hire Jamal to build some black panther vibronium airships...as long we are living in complete bullshit fantasy land

>>13407325
S.S. Bix Nood

>>13407260
I'm not American, Mr patriot.

>>13407308
>at little or no cost
only the cost of US citizens. also even if there's no cost it certainly doesn't mean US won't gain anything from it. you guys are not a charity, nor a world police.

USA could cut their military budget in half and still spend more than China and Russia combined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
yall feel free to defend this all you want, maybe there are more angles to lay on me

Calculate ubi and then look at gdp

If I received 1k a month, it would absolutely change my life, and enable me to not worry about my student loan, be able to live in the area where the wages are sound, and be able to actually make moves, and when the time is right, take the chance on starting my own business.

Young people in the U.S. can't do shit because of loans, it is over 1 trillion combined, it is dead weight, that if it was relieved, could enable those people to enter the markets to purchase homes, and start businesses quicker.

Cut social programs to fund it. Give the people the opportunity to manage the money how they choose, and live with the results. If they spend it on bullshit, well tough shit for them.

>>13405188
Not money. Basic resources.

And people that are that impulsive will be incentivized to be nutered. And they will get a lump sum payment

All powered by blockchain and a.i.

>>13407447
Doesn't matter. Print money.

>>13405155
If you don't believe this has any chance to sway large amount of voters after Trump. You haven't been paying attention. UBI is coming to America. Buy BTC, sell on first spic, cash out for gold, and sail to someplace safe - USA is going to blow.

>>13405843
That is true, but the average modern person is a massive hedonist.

Basically just paying Chad to NEET and be able to do drugs and fuck stacies on the reg.

>>13408927
VAT IS A SALES TAX WHAT THE FUCK EVEN

>>13409472
>Basically just paying Chad to NEET and be able to do drugs and fuck stacies on the reg.

Fuck yes this is what I want

>>13405188
dipshit really thinks UBI would just stimulate the illegal drug market.
UBI would BOOST the fucking economy.

>>13405155

>>13405155
Didnt your parents teach you stealing is wrong? They are shit for raising such an entitled child like you.

>>13409756
boosting economy by more consuming with no need of aditional work ?
you will get hig inflation that will destroy people savings, and then finnaly everyone will be equal . Like in 80s commie paradise

think of those poor billionaires we can't just steal their hard earned money. we can't let this happen bros, we just have to go wagecuck to earn our money and contribute to the system like our parents did

>>13407047
UBI people are whiny cunts who can never take responsibility for their own life.

>>13409881
this. billionaires are smart and hard working people that our society can't function without. we have to work our way to the top and stop wasting time neeting

>>13407185
Most gov spending goes to welfare in different forms not military.

doesn't matter. it is coming.

>>13405155
i rather UBI than government glorified data entry job
MFW quicksort heap relational database knowledge

>>13410070
No.

fuck gubberment jerbs memorizing shit
fucking induction motor airgap
fucking small circuit analysis
fucking three stage ampifier
fucking 3d cubic resistor
fucking RLC circuit analysis
fucking ampifier
fucking english
fucking T model and pi model of long range electric lines
fucking 22kv true transformer equivalent circuit model
I just want a woman , a home ,a fucking car

>>13407447
lol this is the brainlet answer

>>13409756
Kek nah, most will go to various forms of entertainment, mostly degenerate. Look at all the NEETs giving their autismbux to mfc or twitch ara ara big tiddy onee sans.
One of the guys in my med school class started doing cocaine a while ago when he was done early with his bachelor thesis, purely out of boredom because he had nothing to do for 12 weeks

>>13409866
Everyone deserves to have their property rights defended - both rich and poor.

>>13406978
>communism will work this time
It's actually socialism and it's already been proven to work.
UBI is basically a stimulus package aimed at consumption. The problem with supply side economic stimulus is that companies take the excess profit and put it in the bank or give it to shareholders, the money doesn't actually move in the market. You avoid this problem by giving the money directly to people who can't afford to let it sit around.
Poor people buy food, housing, transportation and clothes with the money and the people who supply food, housing, transportation and clothes hire more people to help them meet this new demand. Then those people spend their money on food, housing, transportation, and clothes but because they're working with a higher wage they can also afford jewelry, entertainment, better food, better housing, better clothes ect. And then those companies hire more people to supply that demand.
The two big problems remain inflation and automation. You can curb alot of the inflation by demanding the UBI must be spent every month and not put in a bank. This creates a bottleneck of wealth that forces people who want a better lifestyle to supplement their income instead of using jewish sorcery to wait for a market correction they can speculate on.
And where automation is still going to kick ass and take names in manufacturing and Manuel labor you now have an opportunity to produce entire industries around 'busy work'; art competitions, sporting events, the construction of monuments or scientific experiments. Fuck it, hippies throwing competing burning man's with prizes made by hippies with their UBI. The real money their is in the cars needed to transport the hippies and the food needed to feed the hippies and the hotels needed to house six hippies to a room. The guy who's buying the taco might be a UBItch but the guy running the Food Truck is saving his not UBI money up to buy a house.

>>13410883
Or we could pay for people to dig holes in their backyard and fill them up. To stimulate the economy of course.

>>13410883
>Can't spell
>Expects people to believe him
Ok Anon

>>13405765
All Communists must hang.

>>13405155
Why do humans who are unproductive deserve to live? Have you been to the ghetto, have you seen who your welfare checks go to? The world would be far better without these people than with it

>>13410883
No, it hasn't been proven to work. You're just so thick headed you think that the "UBI experiements" in which a few hundred geographically isolated people amongst a normally functioning economy receiving a few hundred a month is the same as giving free money to every adult in an entire country.

>>13411600

>>13409833
If you really think this is true, you dont know what inflation is. You dont even know how much all liquidity is locked in b2b transactions.

>>13406848
>>>/pol/

>>13405155
Malibú surfers fallacy, if everyone has their needs cover by the gov, the country creates no value, therefore it fail.

>>13409767
very misleading chart, go fuck yourself

>>13405155
With UBI will come eugenics. There is no way the government can afford to have Shaniqua and Tyrone sharting out 10 little rocket scientists each, which will happen if Shaniqua knows all her turds will be paid for. With eugenics comes forced sterilization for the untermensch and then we truly will have a Brave New World

>>13409866
Are you going to be saying that when the poos come to steal your stuff because in their homeland where they make 1 dollar a week, you are a billionaire by comparison?

>>13406078
I want it all to burn.

>>13407185

Nice try xi, just bought 100k more aircraft

>>13412224
kek

>>13412224

>>13405155
Fucking stupid retard thinks his the (((elite))) that rule this world are going to put up with billions of goys that provide no value to themselves and exhaust their new robotic slave force.

So naive you are to believe we will all live in luxury with out needing any work. The day that is possible, is the day they release their super viruses upon the population to kill us all off.

They want a world for themselves only. You will die, we will all die. They hate everyone but themselves.

>>13406844
holding a gun up to someone's head and taking their money is called robbery anon.

There's a big reason that's bad. Society is founded on rules, and people demanding a rule that has kept humanity alive throughout history, be dismissed? oh boy.