/biz/ - Business & Finance

Electrical Engineering

>>104065
This. Electrical, or to a lesser extent, Mechanical.

And don't be a retard and go to a shitty school like Arizona State or something. Huge party schools and crappy state schools spit out engineering degrees like high school diplomas, you need one from a respected engineering school.

Of course, the obviously better option than engineering would be studying finance and computer science at an Ivy League. Being a quant actually does give you that "$300k starting any job I want" status. But that's only if you go to an Ivy, and only if you're actually smart. Idiots need not apply.

Average chemical engines makes 60k right out of school. I'm out in the desert making 70k have a company truck and a large expense account with only 1 year s experience. In 5 years I will be making 100 to 130 k a year.

>Develop for a cloud platform
>Only took through calc 1, some math econ, and chemistry
>Make $90k

You do not need to be a genius to make lists, maps, and sets to marry up data and draw out pretty charts showing the mean over time and shit (what most business decision makers require).

So, math is overrated. You can easily make $100k just by being able to think abstractly.

>>103826

I have degrees in both engineering and math.

I'll let you in on a secret you're obviously too stupid/ignorant to realize - not everyone wants a "job". Jobs are what we offer the grunts that make us rich. Want a six figure job? Absolutely. I'll even toss in good benefits. You know why? You're making me 10 times that amount in profit like a good little sheep.

>>104183
You forgot to include knowing how to program. Unless you got someone else to do that for you.

>>103826
I have a computer that does the work for me. I don't need to be good at math. Nobody does anymore.

>>104264
You do if you are interested in modeling.

>>104290
Nah. I look terrible in underwear.

>>104233
It's people like you that make me sick.

...

Also I want to be like that.

>>104308

People who are intelligent enough to see past the bullshit and see the big picture know the game.

You should see some of the bad ass employees we have, arguably some of the smartest people I've ever met, way better than I was as an engineer, and totally oblivious and content with their jobs while we pound the best they have to offer right out of their asses.

Hard to believe how people so educated and talented are so ignorant and blind.

>>104345
That's why I'm so happy going to my engineering classes. I'm more capable than probably 98% of my graduating class, but a good chunk of them are really competent engineers. They're the ones who will be making me rich, and the ones that I've become friends with just refuse to look outside of the "60k engineering desk job" box.

Fuck it, take advantage of the simple minded.

>>103826
> good job
> 50k
the fuck?

A cab driver in NYC makes 70k a year.

>>104396
but also works 60+ hours a week hustling and trying to make sure the other cabbies don't get his customers

>>104345
smartest guy i've ever met looking to make 120k/year endgame and in my mind im just like "what the fuck"
they've been brainwashed. i want the big bucks. what exactly do you do and how did you get there?
going to warwick for a masters in maths, operational research, stats and economics

>>104345

What are you alluding to?

Are you in management?

>>104432
and forgot:
>need to buy a license, -$700K upfront, or if you lease it -$30k/yr
as well as a ton of other costs

>>104442
>masters in maths, operational research, stats and economics
>getting a masters in 4 subjects
is such a thing even possible?

>>104461
Of course. The trick is you'll be shit at all 4.

>>104449
And then there's the problem of needing to live in New York City, where the cost of living is absurd.

Those $70k cab drivers live in tiny apartments, bet you anything.

i was making 53,000 out of school as an EE. I had connections, but have friends making the same without. got a $4500 raise after 6 months too.

>>104396
NEET detected.

My uncle was a cab driver in NYC. He made like $15k a year.

>>104449

Nah mate, the $70k a year is the take home pay. If you count revenue it is well over $100k.

Being a trucker is better. Union keeps prices high. After ~8 years every trucker breaks the $100k barrier.

>>104480
0/10

Daily revenue for a cab in NYC is $300 on a bad day.

>>104487
>being on the road away from your family
>living in constant fear that Google cars might one day take your job

>>104442

I wised up and partnered with like-minded people. I worked many shit jobs making other people rich, jumping from R&D project to project. Didn't take me long to see the actual game and all the people above me getting rich.

I think the real eye-opener was watching one of my ex-managers being congratulated on all the great work he did solving problem x and to expect a large bonus.

I solved problem x, it wasn't my incompetent manager who should have been fired. I also didn't receive a bonus.

So anyway, sounds like you're on a good path. Getting a wide cross-disciplinary view of the world will help pinpoint the leverage points.

>>104461
>>104464
no it's just a degree in maths with operational research, stats and economics modules

>>104345
Aaand we confirmed every rich business owner is a sociopath.

>>104493
Not sure if baiting or retarded. Maybe both.

http://www1.salary.com/NY/New-York/Taxi-Driver-salary.html

Median is 35k, but many of them make less. If you are part time, you make even less. My uncle worked like 20-25 hours each week, and he brought in about $15k per year.

It's better than the minimum wage shit jobs, but not by much.

>>104506
His employees are all adults who made their decisions and probably aren't doing badly themselves. Is he supposed to tell all of these people how to live their lives?

>>104449
>>need to buy a license, -$700K upfront, or if you lease it -$30k/yr

Which you sell after you retire.

Consider it your severance pay.

>>104506

How does that make me a sociopath? I pay my employees WELL. They have kick ass benefits as well. We have extremely low turnover < 3%. They can't leave and expect to make more anywhere else.

So what if they don't see the shit behind the curtain? And even if they can manage to wake up out of their ignorance, most of them have families to support and can't take the risks required to achieve a similar result.

They are in a prison of their own making.

>>104520
> he thinks cabbies declare even 50% of their revenue

it's a cash only business

>>104506
1) No you're wrong

2) That's how it works. You can choose to ignore it and be a good little worker bee for the rest of your life, or you can not.

But, you probably will do just that. Enjoy your completely average life.

>>104442
Not everybody is a materialistic greed monger. $120k isn't too shabby and can pretty much take care of everything you need for life and leave a nice nest egg for your widow/children.

What's the point in having billions?

Besides, if everyone's a CEO, then who does the actual work?

you can get about $200k starting as various types of quant, need at least masters in math/physics

>>104551
Duh. As I've said, my uncle was a cabbie in NY. He hasn't reported any of his income in years.

I can tell you for a fact that he only brought home $15k working 20-25 hours a week.

Maybe good-tier cabbies make more, but the majority of them bring home $3x thousand a year working full time.

If you can't accept that, you're retarded.

>>104536
>be cab driver
>invest in taxi license
>startups like Uber disrupted the market
>"the people" (see leddit) love Uber
>government removes regulation from industry
>licenses are worth nothing
th-thanks, now I can retire with nothing

>>104574
You won't get hired out of school at 200k though. You need some prior work experience.

industrial/management engineering

>>104625

Even with a PhD in Math from MIT they are lucky to get even $150k out of school.

And they don't enter the job market until at least their late twenties. Some start in their forties.

It is true, though, their compensation can rise quite high and quite rapidly IF they prove to be world class performers.

>>104233
Being an entrepreneur/manager/CEO is still a job, it just pays better if you're lucky. Math is essentially my safety net should I fail trying to start my own operation.

>>103826
Math is not useful for anything.

>>104546
Because the way you said it made it seem like you took sick pleasure in getting rich off the backs of others.

Everyone in this thread seems to be saying "Oh man these poor suckers, if only they knew how it really was, they'd probably revolt." Well we've tried waking up before with protests such as Occupy Wall Street. And you know what happened, average people sided with Wall Street and blasted the "dirty commie hippies." That's a case of Stockholm Syndrome if I've ever seen one.

>>104546
Those words don't carry too much weight when up the chain of replies is gloating about fucking them in the ass and taking the money they "should" be earning. Pretty much the picture perfect definition there, buddy.

>>104561
I agree to an extent, I know I could definitely live a pretty content life with a salary of 50-100k a year assuming I only had to support myself and maybe one other person, but part of me wants to know what it's like to rent the nicest penthouse suite, or spend a year traveling without having to worry about money.

>>104726
Says the neckbeard, sitting at his computer, browsing the Internet.

>>104733
who gives a fuck? at the end of the day this guy opened his eyes to how these chumps are working 10 times harder than they're paid, and wised up.
he's laughing at the suckers who are clueless, and wouldn't you if you knew the majority of $1xxk earners are just 1 eye opening moment away from true freedom, but they don't even know it?

>>104770
>Psychopathy (/saJˈkɒpəθi/) (or sociopathy [/ˈsoʊsiəˌpæθi/]) is defined either as an aspect of personality or as a personality disorder. As a personality disorder, it is characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior.
>diminished empathy and remorse
Like I said: picture perfect definition.

You can do what you want, but pretending you're not a sociopath when in an anonymous environment is pretty silly.

>>104770
>wouldn't you
No, I'd be the "cool rich guy", living frugally and making dreams come true, all while writing op-eds in the NYT about how the 1% is all fucking you over. Then they'd spare me on the Day of the Rope, and maybe even name some schools after me for being such a cool guy.

>>104816
You'd probably be murdered by the mega rich above you. Then they'd plant evidence in your house to make you look like a pedophile to discredit you.

>>103826
If you're talking /biz/ related jobs like in finance or economics, then go for a B.B.A. in finance, economics, or accounting, or a B.Sc. in actuarial science, risk management, or mathematical economics.

Then prepare for some alphabet soup. CFA, CPA, and FRM, just to name a few. Look 'em up. Good starting salaries for all.

>tfw when you love business, finance and trading but are absolutely horrible at maths

I'm good at typing and doing what I'm told so maybe I could at least be a secretary for some successful business man and live vicariously through him

>>104628
industrialfag here, what do?

>>105491
FRM and CFA sound like my style, it's a little too late for me to do the CPA.

>>105546
Become a Goldman Sachs janitor.
1.Be eyes and ears of the office.
2.Get that insider info.
3.????
4.Profit.

Any kind of engineering really. Except industrial. Industrial engineering is the laughing stock of the engineering fields.

I was making over $90k with no degree doing Unix administration. The cloud is killing that line of work a little bit though, for startups any how.

If you're good at statistics, maybe learn Computer Science and concentrate on AI - data mining, machine learning etc. If you're good at math, you can make very good money.

Oh yaa, hedge funds want to hire people who know this stuff as well.

>>106093
>that feel when want to be good at maths but I'm retarded and can't even understand Apostol
S-Should I kill myself?

>>106314
Yes, but Jesus was smart enough to invent calculators and give them to His believers.

>>104726

>math is not useful for anything

You entire world is built on math. You are just too dumb to see it.

>>106144

No young one, there is still time.

Read more Serge Lang until you understand Apostol.

>>106318

>implying mathematics is equal to doing calculations

calculators don't do mathematics.

>>104761
>>106314
You people are the fucking easiest to bait.

>>106339
Neither do 99.9% of humans. For general purposes, calculations are all anyone really needs and that's just plugging numbers into a machine and letting it do the work for you.

For 99.9% of the world, math is not useful for anything. I'm sitting in a chair right now. I have no idea who built it or how it was built or what materials it's made from, but it's a nice chair. I don't have to know all that stuff in order to be comfortable.

>>106144
How can you not understand Apostol? Did you drop out of high school? Holy fuck man. Go watch Khan academy or something.

>>106339

>>106358
>this poster is American
>you can tell by his writing style

>>106358

Of course, the vast majority of people don't know or understand even basic mathematics.

But if they did, they would understand how useful it is. 99.9% of people are oblivious to the deeper reality.

You can be comfortable, but you can't understand.

>>106351
My hs used Spivak.

>>106346

>>106402
My HS used literally none, and it still allowed me to understand Apostol after reading it myself and spending some hours on the internet trying to understand some concepts that weren't explained to me.

>>106424
I-I'm sorry for being retarded...

>>106412
>2012

oldfag pls leeve. Lurk less

>>106039
what do you even fucking do in it?

When you guys say you suck at math what level are you referring to because I practically got perfect scores on every exam for calc 1,2, & 3. My proofs/analysis class was fairly difficult but I still got about 85%, but I still feel like I'm doing baby math. Will I make it? Also anyone know how difficult introductory econometrics is?

>>106483
Econometrics is like Stats II mixed with econ.

>>106430

Maybe you should try Godement's or Bressoud's books on analysis.

>>106433

S-sorry

>>104133
What if I'm planning to get an engineering degree from a shitty state school in order to remain debt free and save expenses?

Is $50k all that much? I'm a graduating manufacturing engineer and there's a local job offer for $50-55k a year with no experience. It doesn't seem like much. Of course I don't really have a grasp of salaries, yet.

>>105512
Go become an executive assistant... EA's at hedge funds make between $55k up to $150k

>>106743

My dad is a ME, or was until they realized he doesn't have a degree. He was hired on at 55k, up to 65k in two years, and everyone at his job feels bad for him because ME salary is 80-90k at his job. Right now he's like a senior assistant technician or something while they pay for him to go back to school, no pay cut. anyway, I digress, it pays for our family of three fairly well- not extravagant but as a sole-income and him being awful at managing money, you'll be comfortable.

Get the job, take the experience, and soon you'll be making much more.

>>104561

You only need about $6000 to backpack the world for a year.

>>104564
Sociopath now insisting he's not a sociopath. We're not so easily fooled. The downsideto your approach, which sociopaths often overlook, is that these attitudes poison personal relationships. Your family and close friends will see through the façade.

Source: dad is successful sociopath businessman

>>104574
starting? no way.

>>104691
>world class performers

you mean lucky. read "When Genius Failed"

>>106764

Mechanical or manufacturing engineer? I feel better after reading some of these posts saying that much more prestigious degrees aren't making much more right out of school. Maybe those "how much do you make at what job" threads on /b/ are bullshit after all.

>>103826
Electrical engineering is a solid choice. Really, any degree STEM field will land you a good job. The market is saturated with idiots that go to college and grab worthless degrees, but apparently Americans are scared of math and science. More elbow room, fine by me.

>>107072
You need to get a STEM from a elite university, otherwise most top tier places will not hire you. Getting a STEM degree from a public university is easy, and most know the kids are lazy and average. Also STEM degree are over saturated.

Former quant here. You won't make 300k or even 200k starting. But it's certainly possible after you have a few years of experience.

>>107155
why former? what are you doing now?

>>107168
Things ended up going to shit and I had to quit for my sanity's and health's sake. The last few months were hell, working in a hostile, abusive, violent environment. I'm in another company now, in a more managerial position. I would have taken another quant job, but it's a very competitive market. I just took the first job that I got.

>>104306

>>104461
Look up MORSE degrees. Typically great for actuarial work, knew a guy who fucked up and got a third and ended up doing a BSc as opposed to the undergrad masters, still got in a high paying position you'd expect trainee actuaries with masters to come in on, plus got paid time off to do the actuarial exams.

>>107199
Hopefully your new one is better

>without serious connections, nepotism,changing your last name to goldstein, or an ivy league degree.

absolutely fucking nothing
unless you want to create something that moves humanity closer to being a full blown machine race like you should be doing

>>103826
You think you're good at math faggot? You're not good at shit. Computers are the only ones making any new proofs these days. You should be spending your time developing artificial intelligence you'd prove more theorems that way. Faggot.

>>109109
It is. It's not that bad actually. I still get to do a lot of programming, although little math stuff. And there might be an opportunity to be promoted soon because my boss might leave.

>>103826
>50k
>good starting
yeah, if you're poor

At least 80k preferably 100k otherwise you'll be making average your entire life

Electrical Engineer
>graduated from an elite program (top-5 US) with a CompE degree
>$65k starting

I live in the Midwest. I declined offers for more money to work for a prestigious engineering company instead (Fortune 50).

You're looking at $80k+ starting on the East or West Coast, but enjoy being gouged by rent prices.

>be 24 year old NEET living at parents
I'd be happy having a 5 figure job
I'll be out on the streets within a year. What's the best way to kill myself painlessly in my sleep?

>focusing on the means
<not focusing on the end

You stupid math shits are so stupid.
Math is a means to an end
MOney is a means to and end
Why are you so focused on means?
Concentrate on the end.
Create God
Become One with the Tao

>>110384
http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html

>>110272
How much is rent on the coasts? I pay 700 now but I want out of this shit hole.

>>110299
dont take the easy way out faggot.

find your balls and get your shit together - from someone who was a NEET for a year and currently getting my shit together

>>110399
$1500+ for a respectable place - alone or one roommate

You'll need 2-3 roommates if you want to pay less.

>>110429
>roomates
eghhh... I guess it could be worse. Maybe it would be good for me. Is there such a thing as apartments that have a stove that doesn't have a metal coil for a heating element?

>>110425
I've never worked a job. Look at my age again. Nobody will hire me because "How have you never worked a job? What have you been doing all this time?"

Not to mention I'm half mad and crazy due to being inside for years and don't know how to real life.

It's actually a pretty hard way out since I'm scared of dying. I'm just sick of leeching and hurting my family and while I know my death would be a massive trauma I don't see myself succeeding.

>>110457
You mean a gas stove? Sure, it depends on the area. Natural gas isn't as cheap as electricity in some places. Also, some buildings don't even have gas lines.

>>110457
>>110429
Wait did you say 1500 WITH a roomate? Oh god.... maybe i'll just move to florida...

>>110484
>>110457
http://average-rent.findthebest.com/d/a/California

>people lying on the internet
yeah dude I got a 35 inch dick and make 50606456k a year git gud

>>110542
You must be new here figgit. Don't worry, Lebbit is just a click away.

>>110542
brb time for sudoku

>>110524
>3000

i make 3310 a month ;_;

>>104345
>ignorant and blind.

They're not blind nor dumb, they just choose not to think or see.

>>104133
>mfw getting CSE degree from arizona state
LEL

I have a PhD in theoretical physics and can reasonably say that I could learn any math to working mode level within a couple of months, but I wouldn't know how to apply these skills...so much for that.

>>111257
and I mean apply these skills to earn significantly more than just applying to some job

>>103826
Here's the thing, you're never going to make much more than six figures at any salary job.

Exceptions are, yeah, quants etc. which you get with prestigious degrees and excellent connections (though in any field you will need connections).

So why bother with Engineering? It's a shit ton of work for a slightly better salary than some middle management finance fuckwit or some scientist lab monkey.

Forget about salaries and start thinking about using your time to make money for yourself. Here's some exanples of what I mean from people in my department (chemical), besides these people literally all my professors own their own factories and make fucktons.

-Two guys straight out of undergrad started a small chips production, by small I mean VERY small, they produce about few thousand packets of a unique product for select costumers.
Sounds unglamorous right? They net 30k/month and they have someone else running it for them, they are both still in their 20s.
-Another guy, his father asked him to help him run his dairy farm, he turned it into a huge cheese production company.

In both cases they just used the simple math we learned in our intro courses and saw they could make a profit. Engineering (my discipline at least) is about fostering that kind of mindset: turn something into something more valuable.

Myself I'm going into Petro for my first few years so I can get the capital I need.

>>104133
>>106598
I'm not an american, but honestly as long as the degree is Washington accord accredited it really doesn't matter where you get UNLESS you're planning on an academic/advanced tech R&D career.

In the industry the single golden ticket is experience, it goes experience>>>>>publications>>school>GPA
There's a guy on Physicsforums with a ChemE PhD degree from "a top 20" college who has been unable to find work for 2 years now.

DON'T CRY ABOUT NOT FINDING A JOB; ENGINEERS DON'T LOOK FOR JOBS, WE MAKE JOBS.

>>104233
Yeah m8, I somehow doubt your a 1%er if you were stupid enough to waste time getting a pure math degree.

>>104345
>older people are cunts

This isn't news, we have to work for you because you control the venture capital, we don't have a choice. It's not like when you grew up.

>>104065
EE here, can confirm. I went to a god-tier school and started 100k+ with masters (ASIC/SoC design), but you can get there easily with state schools.

>>111385
Getting an engineering degree and owning some sort of company/factory is my dream. Thanks for telling me it's possible.

>>111385
Cherry pick much?

>>103826
Most kinds of engineering will get you that.

I graduated 2007 from University of Michigan and went into automotive engineering. Started making $52,000, currently making ~$82,000 depending on what my performance bonus is from year to year.

I didn't have any connections at the company that hired me.

>>111503
The guy posting earlier ITT is right, every hour you spend working for someone else is an hour you spend not working for yourself. One of my professors refused to give a consultation that would've taken her less than a day and pocketed her 20k. Why? On principle, she rather spend that time improving her own business (which is also a low tech production company (shampoo)).

>Thanks for telling me it's possible.

It's 10x harder for our generation, mostly because >>111482 and because even if you do get a startup the bigger, established companies will destroy you.

Here's were that leaves us:
1) Have an idea so innovative and useful you'll get your market gap or a huge buyout
2) Invest inside a developing economy where there are market gaps for simple inorganics etc.
3) Work in the process industry until you have enough connections/capital/rep to it the old fashioned way

1 isn't going to happen period(.), 2 is a good idea, but most people want gfs etc, so don't want to work in third world shitholes, I don't know if 3 is still possible with how badly we're getting fucked out there, but with years of hard work maybe.

>>111523
Of course I cherry picked, I wanted to emphasize the successful student, who did some simple low tech thing and ma as opposed to those who enter average salary high tech R&D/academics/PrEng

>>111622
>low tech thing and made fucktons*

Also yeah plenty of people fail with startups despite their engineering background, which is why I would recommend having a salary job to fall back on if you can.

>>111385
Most businesses fail and the only one of my dozens of engineering friends who started a business that made real money was a rich jew already.

Enjoy growing up, kid.

>>106358
Computers don't do anything you don't tell it to do.

If you think computational mathematics/engineering is "just plugging numbers" you've got another thing coming. Numerical and, for example Discreet Math is a lot more complex than most pure math disciplines.

>>106475
Study a business degree in a building closer to the engineering department.

>>107030
Take the job if you can get it m8, it's good pay for a starting salary, but the experience is worth even more.

>>110464
>What have you been doing all this time?
Tell them you've been looking for a job.

And don't be picky, get a shitty minimum wage job, maybe it'll finally teach you the discipline you need to succeed at school.

I recommend the military.

>>111257
>>111271
You have no idea what you're talking about and you don't even know that you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>111742
>Most businesses fail
Yes, I believed I mentioned that later in the thread, my point is try instead of focusing on trying to make money with salaries.

>and the only one of my dozens of engineering friends who started a business that made real money was a rich jew already.
Depending on your definition of "real money", yes this will obviously be the case if you have a head start regardless of how good you are

>Enjoy growing up, kid.
Thanks for your input, dad.

>>111257
I have a PhD in maths and can reasonably say that I could learn any science to perfection within a month and would know how to apply the skills.

>>106039
>Statics and Dynamics
>Circuit Theory
>Business Classes
>Thermodynamics
>Operations Research and Statistics
>Programming
>Economics Analysis Engineering Projects
>Quality Control
>Systems simulations
It's literally the perfect degree if you want to learn about the business side of shit and the engineering side.

>>111931
>you want to learn about the business side
You can only learn about the business of a business when you're in that business. Also every engineering discipline learns economics, IP law and that management shit in a few weeks, don't fool yourself.

>of shit and the engineering side.
The intro courses are not fucking engineering. Just because you know how to spell Heat Exchanger doesn't mean you can design one.

>>111960
>implying anybody learns anything in upper level courses

kek

>>111977
At a good uni, yes.

>>111977
"An area that was a problem for several graduates was not having enough knowledge about the
specific field in which they were working and they often described themselves as having been
‘thrown in the deep end’. Those working in the minerals processing industry mentioned this
problem more often than those in other industries. Some respondents also felt lacking in the
technical knowledge needed to work with engineers from other disciplines."
>http://www.jm1234567890.fastmail.fm/gac/Engineering%20graduates'%20perceptions%20of%20how%20well%20they%20were%20prepared%20for%20work%20in%20industry.pdf

>>112000
I go to a top 20 university for chemical engineering, I've talked to several other graduated seniors and they all basically know fuck all.

>>111900
>>111930
...if you say so. Sure, if you're supposed to do fliud programming in a given language then you will need lots of practice to be good, but I'm just saying it's not exagerated there is no math for applications which one couldn't understand in a short time (...alla algortithms, stochastic differential equations), i.e. so that one is able to read the current papers etc.

>>112027
This is literally an
>apply yourself.jpg
circumstance, there are many people who succeed at academics and then simply fail at applying the principles they learned in their jobs.

...and yes obviously you will not have the knowledge you need, my first day in the industry I had to learn everything about pneumatic circuitry and control in a day, I downloaded a 1000+ page textbook and could work through it in less than 3 hours because I already understood the physics behind it, and having worked with logic circuits in EE the design principles are immediately apparent, my process control course taught me everything else I needed to model the rest of the problem. Your undergrad isn't supposed to teach you everything and unless someone actually asks you to design a reactor (which no one will) chances are you're not going to apply what you learned directly. But you learned problem solving skills and most of the Science principles you need, you also learned to learn so it's easier to pick up everything you need to learn for your job.

But then you have assholes who get a task outside their comforts zone and go >Duuur I didn't learn this in skewel! hold my hand plox!

Yes you fucking did, you just don't know how to apply what you learned.

>>112053
Top 20 does not mean it's a good university, it means it like Anglo and doesn't have a completely shit research output.

>>112098
>implying you have a deep understanding of quantum mechanics

>>112168
I don't know if that's particularly relevant here, but I guess I do, yes.

>>112250
PS: I'm not OP, I don't know why that's still in the field

joke is on you, my last name is already goldstein

beanactuary.org

there, you're all done.

Going-back-to-skool-fag here,

Im thinking of going back for a 2nd degree in engineer. My mind is pretty set on Mechanical, but I also fancy industrial because I like the Supply Chain and Op Manag aspects of it. Reason for mechanical is broader so easier for jobs, and it's just like 2 more math classes as far as I can tell.

I sort of shot my GPA w/ my first BS in Bus Admin cause I didnt know wtf I wanted to be, 2.43. So Im probably gonna go back to the same state uni, Socal.

Im 24 atm, turning 25 in Oct. I reckon it'll be minimum of 3 years if not 4 for the degree cause I'll be working too. Is that feasible, or Im over my head??

My main concern with Engineer is the math - cals. It's been while since I done Cal, HS preCal back in 06.

Other than that, any hints tips suggestions otherwise are welcomed.

>>112662
Honestly if you feel uncomfortable about your math proficiency then don't try to do a technical university degree, you're just going to take up an admission spot from some 18 y/o and waste everyone's money (the huge drop out rate is not an exaggeration), Mechanical is not "just like 2 more math classes", you use (applied) math in everything you do in Engineering and the math you learn in all your upper level courses is much harder than you learn from the calculus modules offered by the Math department in your junior year.

I've heard success stories, so you could go for Mechanical, but if you aren't doing it full time I wouldn't recommend it.
You can pick up calc and trig in a few days, just get a decent textbook like Stewart's Calculus (don't bother with online bullshit except to review trig and algebra).

I would recommend doing Industrial Engineering, or if you're just interested in a bigger paycheck rather get another commerce degree like accounting etc. or go for a graduate degree.

>>104442
do you actually think you'll ever be worth more than 80k a year? you're more deluded than he is and hundreds of thousands of collage debt isn't gonna change that

GUYS

GUYS GUYS

Quick question.

If you study maths and CS on your own without going to university and shit.

How easy is it to land a great programmer job?

>>117552
>great programmer job?
No such thing
>programmer job?
Just walk into the door and tell them you can program

>>110272
>but enjoy being gouged by rent prices.
>not buying your own home

bumping

>>110272
> You're looking at $80k+ starting on the East or West Coast

Except that's wrong.

>>121657
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????!!!!!!!!

What job can an accounting degree from a shitty uni can get you? I guess I'll start from the bottom like doing AP/bookeeping?

>>110384
You need a basic understanding of math before you can understand the basics of programming.

>>121667
das it mane

>>104133
I'm getting a physics/astro degree from University of Arizona. Is that bad?

I'm also in a 90% engineer dorm right now and most of them just play video games all day.

>>121844
That same 90% probably won't get good jobs or even make it to senior year.

>>104561
I generally agree with this statement. I'd rather be in the thick of the actual work. I don't really care about credit or if someone who is managing me is making more money, as long as I get to do science and I can live relatively comfortably, I'm all good. I'm frugal by nature so it's hardly a challenge.

>>104442

I got offered the 4 year undergrad+masters MORSE at Warwick and turned it down for LSE, you are a fucking plebian.

Anyone got any suggestions for me?

Graduated from the University of Minnesota with a BS in Mathematics (Actuarial Science specialization) and a minor in Risk Analysis and Insurance. GPA was only a 3.2.

I've already got the first two SOA exams done and am studying for MLC but I was unable to get any internships despite applying for hundreds of different positions.

I just graduated this December and I've been unable to find work. I'm currently looking at working for a temp agency in the meantime.

>>112138
I like you, I have nothing to add to your current conversation but I like you

>>121942
Go back in time and apply for some internships instead of sitting around on 4chan

>>121989
Th-thanks.

>>112138
>I downloaded a 1000+ page textbook and could work through it in less than 3 hours

damn, dude. that's about six pages per minute.

>>121942
no internships

you're fucked

I'm a poorfag in fucking Canada, so the whole quant thing is screwed. But idk what career would be best for me to pick. I wish I could just have a stroke or something already.

>>121942
spray and pray
also network your arse off
I'm in the same boat matey
Learn VBA too, it's relevant and good on a resume

Thoughts on Data Science?
I want to eventually transition into gubbmint work/NSA

>>126296
>Data Science?
Code monkeys earn about as much as teachers if not worse.

>gubbmint work/NSA

Pffft

>>122157
Most graduates can do that easily. You learn to only read what's important and relevant to you and skimp over the rest, including entire chapters sometimes, though that's not to say you don't read in detail, annotate and bookmark the text. If I have to read a paragraph word for word I'd probably do less than 400 words a minute depending on the difficulty of the material.

Not going to explain the entire technique, read "How to read a book" (Adler & Von Doren), especially the chapters on inspection reading.

Education is just a credential to get you into a job.

Connections are most important
Experience is second most important
Personal ability to woo HR sluts is fairly low but still helpful
Education/credentials are minimum requirements for some jobs and little more

>>127483
wtf my school keeps pushind data mining like it's the next big thing. Isn't that basicallly what Alphabet soup agencies do now?

>>104065
This and/or Computer Engineering

>>128951
>my school keeps pushind data mining like it's the next big thing.
Never listen to unis, they're full of shit and know fuckall about the industry. As an example since around 2006 many have pushed programmes like "Nanotechnology Engineering", I warned posters on /sci/ about the programmes not having ABET accreditation yet some didn't listen and now they can't get jobs outside the <60k mat sci R&D type jobs that they could've also gotten with a traditional Chemical Engineering degree only with higher pay.

In general if you want to work with computers you'll want a CS degree from a GOOD school, get a good degree and specialize later, don't fall for the buzzword degrees.

>>104141
i make 6 figures working in the oil patch as a nigger. but after two years of getting niggered i can tell everyone here theres something to be said for even remotely liking your job

>>104233
The alternative to being an drone is to run or manage a company. Most engineers don't want to deal with that shit and six figures is plenty.

Not blind or stupid, just lazy.

>>129136
>In general if you want to work with computers you'll want a CS degree from a GOOD school

CS degrees are shit in every school that doesn't just merge it with CpE or EE.

>>128951
Because "Big Data" is a magical word that gets grant money for any proposal it appears in. If you're not planning on being a professor/post doc, it's not so magical.

>>111747
>Discreet Math is a lot more complex than most pure math disciplines
>Discreet Math
>more complex than most pure math
>Discreet

lel 4/10

70k starting as a fixed income analyst
10k raise for each CFA completed
Midwest so tolerable rents/home prices
already connected with some hedge funds once they get an opening

>>130878
lol good luck. Depending on the company youll be stuck there for awhile and have little opportunity as an analyst getting good money (250k+)

>>111930
curious as to how much you make (or don't make)

>>121942
good major but you may be stuck churning out mortality rates for insurance companies. dont know the pay honestly tho

>>131910
you don't know the work either. mortality rates are pretty standard across the industry now that professional societies do the research for us.