/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12871186
Socialism is simply workers' ownership of the means of production. I don't think you know this.

She isn't a socialist, she's a welfare capitalist/champagne liberal. People need to start understanding wtf these people actually represent

>>12871186
she's soro's meat puppet. stop talking and thinking about her as though she were a person, she's not. she only does what they tell her to do.

America has been subjected to generations of dumbing down the population. The results are obvious. RIP USA

>>12871196
She and Bernie don't even know what socialism is. That makes things harder.

Next Democrats presidential candidate.

>>12871186
I like how faggots like you cry about Walmart coming in replacing good jobs with shit jobs. and then when amazon leaves you cry about loss of "good jobs." The correct answer is you are a partisan team player hack without a brain.

>>12871196

This.

Every election year amerifats are voting for two sides of the same coin. It's all orchestrated.

>>12871220

Yeah makes my dick harder.

>>12871194
I grew up in socialism you dumb fucking mouth breathing cunt, socialism is taking control by force 99% of production and labor with further distribution of remaining 1% to it's population in order to maintaining control through basic hunger
educate yourself before publicly speaking on topic of socialism

>>12871255
That's literally not socialism. Nice job regurgitating boomer bullshit. And I'm not even a socialist.

>>12871229
do you even understand yourself these meaningless buzzwords you parroting off your daily tv news shows ?

>>12871186
Rent free

>>12871265
sorry kido but that is literally what socialism is about. just open history books and learn how to read

>>12871186
What race is this specimen? Is this considered "white" in USA?

>>12871280
This video explains what socialism is pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-MhzLMY93I

>>12871203
that what happened when socialists took over educational system and destroyed it from within.

>>12871276
This. Gonna be funny watching the last of the Boomers get genocided by socialists. Metaphorically, of course, in the form of means-testing social security payments and capping them at $25k/yr.

>>12871281
her race is called qt

>>12871255
That's called judaism. If you want to get educated about real socialism look at Germany during 1930's.

>>12871313
Dave you fucking school skipper germany 30's were brought to you by nationalism and fascism morphed together in genocidal harmony.

>>12871334
Fuck off kike.

i don't understand the big deal with this. it's a pyrrhic victory for her. amazon not going there just means another company under the radar, or a wework, or some other trendy coworking space will move in instead. her district is getting gentrified whether amazon is part of that effort or not.

>>12871349
she is the first female president 2024 or 2028. She is adding to her cv

>>12871292
No it doesn't and it's dumb retarded leftist propaganda by someone that never ever lived on a socialist country fuck off you fucking mongtard and ask anyone that has family that lived on the old URSS.
Socialism doesn't work on it's pure basis because it's based on the assumption that everyone deserves the same and that's not true, not everyone deserves the same and not even everyone is able to extract the best out of every system infact society evolves by individuals not groups fucking memelords.
Fuck you and fuck all the commies you guys know a lot about class consciousness except that you are not on the bottom you are on the mid/top using morals to tell more stupid people how they should behave thus protecting your own status. FUCK YOU.

I wanna knead her titties.

>>12871345
ooooh nice projecting onions blue pilled faggot

>>12871186
>Hurr durr all workers deserve to own the means of production
>Why is nobody taking huge financial risks to start up companies, factories, and products anymore

Socialists are brainlets who are incapable of seeing beyond the next step in a path of logic, people have been too comfortable for too long and are warming up to the idea that they can be babysat for their entire life, and psychopaths and sociopaths naturally crowd the field of politics and are more than happy to lie their asses off to keep their power. This is end game democracy and we are all fucked.

>>12871416
yea it does look like last final stages of late capitalism, we probably got like decade or two before shit really start cracking

>>12871408

>>12871408
Rip faggot.

>>12871437
>who serves the common good without giving up his individuality ...
>wants to have cake and to eat it too
can't do both adolf my boy

>>12871437
>>12871444
you fucking dummy skinhead is too fucking stupid to understand what he's saying there, he's basically using globally popular narrative of that time to get some talking points.

there's nothing socialist about germany of 1930's and adolf regime you mouthbreathing brainlet. hitler adopted fascist dictatorship and capitalized on nationalism of the german race who needed reunion after losing both Prussian and ww1 wars

>>12871194
There's no reason why this can't happen in a capitalist system. A bunch of works can get together, all pitch in and start a production company that they all collectively work at.

whatever increases the odds of me getting to see her brapper in my lonely basement me time is fine

>>12871186
Fuck this socialist pig.

>>12871186
god damn all you fagots are stupid. thank god you're a weak ass minority and the nation is moving forward with progressive candidates.

at the end of the day Jews are jsut normal people, AOC isn't a socialist, and trump is going to jail. You guys barely vote, you don't do anything outside of dribble diarrhea on backwoods internet websites and spend what little money you have on corporations who keep you stuck in place.

>>12871194
Yeah, and what do workers know besides Bud Light and handegg? You should consider for a moment that maybe your typical blue collar wagie isn't fit for an ownership stake over society at large.

>>12871496
They don't even need to do that, they could just buy stock in whatever company they are working at

>>12871186
i like u op
and i agree with u

>have a cocaine

>>12871561
sorry I'll probably have a heart attack if I take coke at my age...
>I guess there's only one way to find out

>>12871390
You can't even intelligently refute the video.

>>12871186

>>12871265
>And I'm not even a socialist.

Liar.

>>12871589
there's a difference between watching 3 minute clip from some Commiefornia college dropout and actually growing up and living inside socialist USSR cage you fucking shit for brain retard reeeeeeeee

>>12871281
El goblino

ITT: mental retards who 1.) can't properly define socialism and 2.) don't realize that automation is going to make socialism necessary.

>>12871203
>isn’t bullish on the future of the most viable example of a consititonal republic on the planet

>>12871609
You're a doublespeaking bugman who should be sold into prison labor, since that's what you want for the rest of us.

>>12871255

>>12871639
You can't intelligently refute me. You can only move to ad hominems.

>>12871265
>hurr durr muh boomer said it so it must be bullshit
grow some pubic hair and read a history book, fren.

>>12871665
In one post, you say "And I'm not even a socialist." In order posts, you say "You can't even intelligently refute socialism, which will become necessary with automation, and it's congruent with human nature anyway!"

You are disingenuous, just like the rest of your ilk.

>>12871692
>posts boomer meme
Found the boomer.

>>12871281
its a mejicano and yes in current year USA surely its white

>>12871702
you know calling people old doesn't make you right. It doesn't even make you sound reasonable

>>12871702
>doesn’t read history books because they were written by grown ass older people
it must be fun living in an insular little bubble of your own emotional attachment to an ideological system known for failure after failure after failure.

>>12871692
>mass murder is wrong
it's the universe trying to correct overpopulation

>>12871726
He told me to read a history book, while posting a meme that is nowhere near accurate. The nazis were not even close to socialism.

>>12871665
You are not even worth responding to.
Never lived the consecuences of socialism, probably never talked to a simple worker living on a country which is only halfway socialist state.
All the people like you use the same phrases like npcs.
>That's not 'X' educate yourself.
>Wow a poor rooting for the capitalist pig.
>That wasn't real 'Y'
>Haha read marx again dumb.
99% who agree with socialism and marxism are dumb as fuck and 1% brilliant, I'll give you only that.

>>12871732
You should read the history book. You can't even define socialism.

>>12871692
Imagine the good they could have done had they worked together.

The pics of Wehrmacht and Red Army soldiers celebrating together in Poland is peak feel.

>>12871736
Did the people own the means of production? No? Then you didn't live under socialism.

>>12871741
>>12871757
Answer to this, you utter faggot.

>>12871700

>>12871741
>yfw there's incels who come to a hyper capitalist cigar afficanido SharePoint to advocate for a retarded ideology

>>12871757
That's the problem you tinybrain 'THE PEOPLE' never owns anything. GOD.

>>12871734
>The nazis were not even close to socialism.
>national socialists
>not socialist
dude you're fucking retarded. If you can't afford a history book try wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts)

>>12871194

Better to do it through unions and stock options socialist cuck.

>>12871776
heh kiddo, not real socialism cause it doesn't fit my idea of socialism

>>12871741
>penis
I bet you even believe that global commerce is stratified by muh “free market capitalism”

>>12871776
You are absolutely fucking retarded.

In an interview with George Sylvester Viereck in 1923 Adolf Hitler himself said:

"Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."1

And even though the term was the same as the one used by Marxists and Utopian Socialists, Hitler was not afraid to make it clear that this term was one that they had adopted, and that in their usage, it is very much the opposite of what we normally associate with Socialism. In a speech in 1938 Hitler said:

"'Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not.[...]"2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=hUFvG4RpwJI

>>12871293
Lol RIP you

>>12871825
>Let me just redefine socialism
>Although the nazi party program completely fit the commonly used definition
>As well as carrying in the literal fucking name
>obviously not socialist

>>12871609
I watched your video
That shit is too stupid to be real. You HAVE to be a troll but fuck it I'll make a few comments
1. Video claims someone is passionate about all jobs, even shitty jobs.
We dont need to debate this. It is proven false already. Who wants to be a garbage collector in Venezuela? Nobody and theres fucking trash all over the streets. Who wants to be a dog catcher in China? Nobody and theres actual packs of dogs running around. How do you explain shithole socialist countries if the video is right? It isnt.

2. The videos says that people who are passionate about jobs should be able to do them. Do you really want a doctor who doesn't know what the fuck he's doing? I wouldn't visit that doctor. I dont give a shit how passionate about medicine he is if he doesn't have a medical degree. Medical degrees are expensive as fuck. Oh, is the government going to take over every uni? Have you been to the DMV? The government sucks at running things, kid.

You cant possibly be this retarded I keep thinking but then I see AOC on TV. That cunt exists and somebody voted for her. I guess people like you. Pls die.

>>12871825
>WTF I'm nazi now.
Your socialism is jewish thought by a jew that never ever worked, funny innit?

>>12871842
You lack reading comprehension. Hitler literally used his own definition of socialism. Private industry still flourished under fascism. That's nowhere close to socialism.

>>12871869
>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
>We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

I don't fucking care what that meth addicted lunatic claimed. These points are obviously 100% in line with marxist-leninist socialism except for possibly abolishing democracy

>>12871831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_TYZ6VRNNg

>>12871884
Is that why they killed Strasser, arguably the foremost socialist-leaning Nazi, on the Night of the Long Knives?

You guys know that she's not a socialist, right? Maybe you should learn what it means before you repeat the shit you read in /pol/

>>12871902
No it's because socialists always kill their own.

t. Stalin
t. Mao
t. Pol Pot
t. Kim(s)
t. Castro

t. Hitler

>point out examples of failed and/or totalitarian socialist states
>THAT WASNT TRUE SOCIALISM
>oh, comrade, that’s not REAL soooooocialismmmmmmuh
every. fucking. time.

>>12871386
Actually I think Zoomers are going to be a bit smarter than our generation. They actually make fun of shit like gender and shit. They think those people are retarded. They don’t listen to boomertube. They watch what they want to watch. Trap rap is funny, and it still degrads women. You have top 10 videos of feminists going nuts. They aren’t stupid, they just aren’t political yet. They’re going to be pissed because of all the restrictions our fucking soi boys and feminazis put on them. They can act however on the internet, that’s how they interact with people. Look at the changing flow of everything. Look at the porn hub comments. Look at YouTube comments. Zoomers just want a good time. Our generation is just salty because we got fucked by an analog generation. The ones that adapted survived. And the ones that applied boomer logic got fucked and into debt. So they seek to radicalize so they can feel not as bad.
Sorry for the messy blog post

>>12871929
It wasn't real socialism

>>12871929
So would you say that the American economy is real capitalism?

>>12871929
true in 99% cases however there's always underdogs like Finland and Scandinavian socialism that might actually work with fully robotized economy.

>>12871186
She's great and attractive

>>12871952
Scandinavian countries are not socialist. They're social democratic.

>>12871973
>>12871940
How old are you? 16?

>>12871989
How is that an argument? Socialism and social democracy are very different things.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

>>12871989
Scandinavion countries are really not socialist though. They lack the whole "nationalize all means of production" thing that essentially defines socialism.

>>12871973
yea that's a weak ass argument man - yes social democrats are still socialist only after successful privatization

>>12871255
of course you did, christ american """education""" is pathetic

>>12872028
There's nothing "weak" about it. They're fundamentally different economic systems.

Social democracy: a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and a CAPITALIST economy.

Socialism: characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.

>>12872047
stfu faggot you can't even fucking read nerveless follow discussion
>>12872048
watch this to understand what I wrote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcFKDxwCDY4

>>12871997
Norway socialized their oil reserves and its how they pay for all gibs but charge an arm and a leg for a gallon, cause they export it all.

>>12872071
>Ben Shapiro

Yes, he's definitely a foremost scholar of economic thought. He's basically an Ayn Rand retard.

>>12872048
Yeah and they both blow. Social democracy is how you get bank bailouts and Amazon's government-prioritization giving them lower shipping costs and tax benefits.

>hey we know we charged you more taxes than we charged them but your company lost fair and square :^)
Letting "democratic representatives" get involved in the market sounds good and has been awful literally every time.

>>12872089
The primary oil producing company is still publically traded. The state just holds 67% of shares. It's not technically nationalized, just state-owned (and yes, I know these things are almost synonymous but they're not semantically equivalent)

Imagine if you will a local government paying billions of dollars of taxpayer money to help what is already one of the most successful businesses on the planet set-up shop within its borders. How fucking cucked and corrupt is that?

>>12872089
you lost there with Ayn, Nordic model is basically carefully aligned house of cards that can be described as :

"welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level with a high percentage of the workforce unionized while being based on the economic foundations of free market capitalism."

basically social+capitalism bastard child

>>12871940
Per the dictionary definition of “capitalism”, it’s beyond obvious that the only “free markets” in existence are certain sectors of the black market.

To answer your question ask yourself: Is the US economy stratified by the black market?

It’s not. You’re thinking of Somalia.

>>12871229
Where did he complain about walmart...?

I am a survivor of sexual assault in 2011 by someone looking like AOC. I have remained silent because I was afraid to speak up, but my brave fellow survivors of the #MeToo movement have inspired me to comw forward. I was working as a chef de partie at a Taco Bell in the jefferson valley mall the night of july 4 when I was first approached by someone looking like AOC. She appeared inebriated, and made multiple unwanted comments, including "ay pendejo you got a fine ass, fucker". I smiled and allowed it to go on because i was intimidated. She groped my rear and my penis/ balls over my pants several times. I asked her to stop, and she called me joto or something. She then ordered me into the handicapped bathroom stall. I wanted to say no but her future power intimidated me. She made me lie on the diaper changing station, where she proceeded to violate me with a cheesy gordita crunch. She partially insterted the food item into my anus and ate from it. She then jacked me off using the gordita. I wanted her to stop but was too scared. Shamefully I ejaculated and went back to my shift. Having survived the assault, i soon quit my job and moved out of state. It is not easy for me to share this story. God bless.

>>12872684
You're very brave to share this.

>>12871194
That's just a co-op you faggot. It's the purest form of win win capitalism

>>12871229
avg wage was 150k
that aint no walmart brother

can someone make tribute to this semen demon

did amazon state somewhere that the 25k jobs would be sourced locally instead of importing people from all over? because the last thing i want is 25k more chucklefucks to stress the shitty third world transit we have in nyc, so as far as i'm concerned i'm glad

>>12871186
she's a cia plant. her job is too do retarded shit like that to prove to the masses that socialism doesn't work. they have been doing this for the past 60+ years. just like now with venuzeula. they sanction the country and then point and say "look look. see it's collapsing"

>>12872961
Except we are retarded enough to do it this time, clown theory...we are fucked

she only won because her opponent didn't campaign at all. but the fact that dems are going along with her "green new deal" has got to be embarrassing for anyone left in the party.
even elementary school kids should be able to come up with something better... eliminating cow farts and printing $600 trillion to rebuild the entire country? for fucks sake

>>12872961
>It's not real socialism!

Every fucking time.

>>12871281
she's puerto rican.

she's hot, i'll give her some slack on that basis alone.

>>12871194
Nope, this is a communism

>>12873439
Nah that's exactly what socialism is and you'd know if you weren't a shit for brains

>>12873434
No she’s not, idiot

>>12871186
We need to figure out how to kill 6.5 billion people.

>>12873434
LATGOBLIN

>>12871186
>Socialist Cortez get's paid $150K while paying her stuff under $15 an hour.
she pays her staff a base salary of $52000 https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1099133711986163713
>She recently killed Amazon deal with NY
she didn't have any personal involvement with the amazon deal, she just agreed with the outcome=
>Is that idiocy allowed only because NY has all time low unemployment ?
the amazon deal would have mostly brought in out of town yuppies and would not have had very little effect on employment for people actually living in the area.

why are you guys so obsessed with her? it's pretty obvious you view her overwhelming popularity as a threat.

>>12871202
this is borderline retarded reasoning. her campaign relied entirely on groundroots support and unseated a democratic incumbent. party democrats hate her for this. please provide evidence that soros or the democratic establishment has an even cursory connection to her.

>>12871294
> This. Gonna be funny watching the last of the Boomers get genocided by socialists. Metaphorically, of course, in the form of means-testing social security payments and capping them at $25k/yr.
means testing is overwhelmingly a neoliberal policy strategy, demsoc politicians like AOC and Sanders want to extend social programs.

>>12871938
post a link to any quote, at any time, ever, by AOC stating that she wants to implement leninism, stalinism or maoism in the united states you will find that she praises social democracies in northern europe, as does bernie, and that her policies pretty much exactly align with the politica mainstream of those counties. you will then start posting dogwhistle shit about "ethnically homogenous populations" with zero supporting evidence.