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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/muffin-break-boss-fury-over-youth-who-wont-work-unpaid/news-story/57607ea9a1bbe52ba7746cff031306f2

>>12837344

FUCK BOOMERS

AND ZOOMERS

>>12837344
>Natalie Brennan
>(((Brennan)))

Every single fucking time.

Why aren't you interning in a coffee shop you disgusting neet?

>>12837344
Doesn't make any difference either way you won't be able to afford a home

IM FUCKING SICK OF BOOMERS!!!!!!

IM FUCKING SICK OF MILLENIAL CULTURE!!!!


I WANT OUT OF THIS TIMELINE!!!!

all top keks in this thread so far. absolutely based, each and every one of you little gems, like stars, shining so brightly, keep shining, keep shining.

>>12837344
Good. Anyone who volunteers to do paid work for free is a traitor to their industry for driving down entry-level wages.

>>12837393
(((O'Malley)))
(((Corleone)))
(((Worthington)))
(((Li)))

>>12837344
if you ever consider working for free you are a dumb fucking cuck and everything that is wrong with society
free internships should be outlawed and doing so should be finable for both parties

>>12837449
you want a $50000 minimum wage? why not? minimum wage should be $0. I would pay money to gain work experience at a top company

>>12837377
>t. *tink* *tink* ahem

>>12837344
>Internship
"Go sit in somewhere and staple things and sometimes go on coffee runs"

>>12837393
Brennan is Irish you fucking retard.

>>12837344
I can't afford to work for free

>>12837514
>I would pay money to gain work experience at a top company
And you should. You should pay at least $25k taxes/year.

>>12837344
Gotta love how media sells millenials/gen Y people as folks who spend every walking moment hanging at trendy restaurants, enjoying healthy, expensive meals, laughing and posting on the internet.
Meanwhile, my life consists of working, commuting, a brief exercise routine to slow down the inevitable decay of my body from sitting behind a desk 8 hours a day, and maybe have 1/2 hours to myself, before I having to restart the cycle.
I can only do that stereotypical millenial stuff on weekends

Oh yeah, and unpaid work is for cucks and actively ruin society.

>>12837536
Irish scum

DEATH TO ZIONIST JEW PISS
RISE UP YOOMERS

this thread gives me hope

makes me happy to know that entitled zoomers are suffering

>>12837568
I feel you bro, my life exactly the same. The worst being that even though I make a decent living, I know I will never be able to afford buying a fucking 1.5m flat to raise a 4 people family.

>>12837429
kek

>>12837344
thats how f&b industry was built, cheap or free labour in exchange for learning skills taught my a master, so she's not wrong, because it happened to her when she started out.
sure boomers dont understand how the world works anymore, but its not because they feel entitled to things they never went through

>>12837449
This, even in Mexico internships are paid, pennies of course but you got to learn and at least you can pay the bus to go to work and your tacos for lunch

>>12837418
Lol nah dingus.
It's easier to get a job when you have a job.
The problem with all you dumb Cucks and these threads of dummies posting
>I applied to 509 jobs and not one return call
It's literally because your asking someone to pay you 80k a year with no experience let alone a current fucking job

They have no clue if you can even commit to 40 hours a week.
Why the fuck do you think I'd hire some dumb faggot that went to school to quite literally regurgitate information handed to them? Like what good is that to me as an employer. Literally nothing. My 7 year old cousin knows how to search for information.

Companies forgot the value of comprehensive training ages ago. Legitimate apprenticeship programs were killed off in the 70s and 80s. They were replaced by a sea of hit-or-miss secondary education that the employee has to pay for. The closest replacement was the internship, which eventually left the student paying to work. The UK seems to have it really bad. They have apprenticeships in nearly every field, but the programs are exploited for cheap £2/hr labor and do a terrible job of training.

Now the economy is thriving and there is a lack of talent (especially fresh talent). Proper apprenticeships and paid training have been coming back.

Anyone still exploiting the starved experience of a bygone ragged economy is bound to be fucked, at least in the short-term. Feels good

>>12837841
why would anyone larp as a boomer?

>>12837953
boomerposting is irresistible sometimes

>>12837344
Am I missing something? Based on my 20 second google search muffin break is a coffee shop franchise.

Since when were there internships at coffee shops? I understand internships at law firms, banks, etc but a coffee shop?

Someone help me understand

>>12838045
you think you can just get experience for free?
experience comes at a COST
greedy fucks

>>12838045
You are missing the lifeskills working overtime and under constant stress for free can help you build.

>>12837536
(( Irish ))

>>12838062
>>12838067
I appreciate getting experience, but what experience is to be had at a coffee shop? It's not exactly a difficult job considering every time I go to a coffee shop it's usually a bunch of teenage girls who aren't exactly brimming with valuable skills.

>working overtime is a skill
jesus standards for skills aren't what they used to be

>>12838062
Also chill brah, I'm a stanch capitalist.

What's shocking is a coffee shop owner thinking they are giving out "skills and experience"

Only thing more baffling is people believing that

>>12837576
>>12838078
I am unironically half Irish and half Jewish, ergo I am indeed (((Irish)))

>>12838045

Can you believe the arrogance of these millenials? They think they're ENTITLED to MY money just because they did work for me. You should be happy to work for me, simply for the opportunity to be in my presence. You never know, I might even give you a firm handshake.

>>12838101
It doesn't matter if it's making coffee or sucking cock. You youth have to learn that the world sucks and will use and discard you without consideration of your 'feelings'. Dmub millenials.

>>12838101
>>12838122
i'm larping bro
one of my first jobs in HS was at dunkin donuts

an internship for one is absurd. the only thing some coffee shops would be good at doing is showing you how to bake, make pastries, breakfast sandwiches, roast and grind coffee beans.

>>12837841
kill yourself retard

>>12838152
I never implied millenials deserve to get paid, nor that they deserve good paying jobs.

What's surprising to me is the standard of what people call skills now a day's is literally coffee shop barista.

This lady hiring interns isn't a problem, what's shocking is she thinks it's valuable. What's also shocking is millenials implying it's valuable by trying to negotiate for that job. Like how much of a low life do you have to be to barter for a barista position?

>>12838062
Why is gen z so based?

>unpaid internship
>Coffee shop

What
The
Fuck

>>12838274
It will be at head office, she cited one in marketing.

>>12838208
gen y will be the new boomer gen, that everyone hatesm gen z will have to clean up a lot of the mess

>>12838330
That makes more sense but even so it's so strange. It's like capitalism isn't a thing anymore. If she was that unimpressed with young people why hire them?

It's not like someone is forcing her to hire young people are they? I'm still confused.

>>12838600
Free labour of course. She was probably lying about hiring them.

Note she says they "found" a job, likely somewhere else, after they got tired of working for fucking free.

My place has started this, with "Student placements", working for literally half our developer's salary, yet get landed with the same work.

Now "everyone must go to uni", there's no shortage of starving students, living off credit cards and willing to lick arsehole to get by.

>>12839017
Cont. Part of it I think is (again) due to Social Media. Students loving to post on their facebooks, instagrams or whatever else they use, oh look at me doing a super important awesome job! (but conveniently not listing the pay).

As with everything nowadays, people's lives are based on subterfuge and fakery, rather than demanding something with substance (decent pay).

>>12837344

>work
>for free

Yeah, I think I'll pass lol.

Because everything is way to expensive now you dumb boomers


Even living on minimum wage puts you at risk of living on the street and starving to death

>>12837344
>tfw I, when struggling for work as a millennial have tried to pursue unpaid work for experience.

Tbh, free work is one of the best ways to break the work>experience>unemployment cycle of death. If this guy actually hires at the end of it, fair enough, that's cool. Some people will just take the piss though.

I've considered setting up a business that trains people up and acts as an agency because of my experiences with this particular problem. It's a real fucking nightmare, but sometimes free work can get you a foot in the door.

>>12837995
>I wish my childhood was filled with bruises from outside in the yard instead of being beat by my stepfather

Fucking boomers will be the first to get the rope

>>12837995
Eh,
I grew up basically on the internet. Doxxing, death threats, character assassination, genuine life sabotage, people threatening family members, counter-doxxing, arranging meet ups for fights, etc.
It might not have been bruises as much, but, the early days of the internet were kinda wild west. In some ways, the stupid shit that happens is immortalised, for better or for worse, online. It's pretty intense when you are genuinely considering killing someone to prevent them from trying to kill you or your family members. Real weird shit that happens online.

>>12838373
Implying gen z will end up with any marketable skills

>>12839110
Gen z will become more powerful than either of us.

>>12837841
Just gib job faggot. You'll get average output.

>>12837404
Entirely this. What the fuck is this dumb fucker up to?

>>12839122
Just go spend some time in a high school you'll understand

How do you get an internship without prior work experience?

>>12837404
>>12839139

Have you considered maybe moving back in with mom and dad if you have a family?

>>12839162
It's the ultimate paradox.

>>12839171
They're divorced, anony

>>12839161
You know that highschool is basically a gigantic child abuse factory that forces a lot of kids to behave in ways the otherwise wouldn't in order to simply not get ripped apart by the ferals right?

I know highschool kids can seem like absolute morons but, fuck, their first experiences in this world are basically being forced into some creepy play pen with el creaturas and paedophiles, and I suppose sometimes well meaning teachers as well as careless career safe-betters.
Their true journey towards realising their true power will be when they retreat to the cradle that is the internet.

>have rent to pay
>need to work a 40 hour week just to pay the bills
>supposed to find time to work for free
>commute takes like 3 hours a day because shitty urban planning (thanks boomers)
???
Golly gee if only my parents weren't abusive and had a convenient apartment with a spare room in the downtown of a major city I could stay at for free and would pay all my other bills in the meantime. Then I could work for free in the hope of one day maybe working for money.
>>12837568
I can't even afford to eat out. I can't afford to buy a fucking cup of coffee.
>>12837944
Every job wants you to have had done the exact same job before down to the same exact software (there's 800 different software programs in my field and they're all more or less the same, but to a boomer you need ten years experience just to open a program and log in.) And these are "entry level."
I just don't know. Can I "intern" somewhere for like 10 hours a week for 2 months and get a glowing reference that will launch me into a 60k job?

>>12839188
Former substitute teacher here (no teaching degree.) It is true that it is some sort of evil factory. Children and teens shouldn't be forced to be packed into rooms ALL fucking day for most of the year. It's all bullshit.

wow what an enraging article from boomer Fatbitch Scheckleberg.

having working at a coffee shop on the resume is useless enough, now to additionally tilte it "unpaid internship at a coffee shop".. LOL

>>12839208
Reading the OP's post almost made me angry. I'm still angry when I'm reminded of what I read.

>>12837536
ITS THE HIBERIAN CONSPIRACY

>>12839188
>>12839206
I agree with this

>>12839182
So you got two homes to fall back on?
Seriously, people need to maybe just accept that we can't all be boomers because it's just not economically realistic to be boomers. We are only basically at the cusp of modernity. We are not long out of the times of horses and carts desu. We are basically in unknown territory and the boomers and yuppies were basically the first truly new modern generation. Social mobility and opportunity on levels never before possible. I guess we reached a kind of bottleneck. That's what I've realised.
I see a lot of millennials throwing their money out the window trying to have what our folks had. Honestly, maybe you should just move in. My parents are divorced too and my Mom is talking about trying to actually buy a house that me and my siblings cans at least have if all else fails.

>>12839206 >>12839230

Ya know a lot of teachers have said the same thing to me. I've got family that work in education too. I know there's a lot of good people in teaching but there's also a lot of piss takers and the shit that happens to children at such a young age is absolutely terrifying especially to the quieter kids who are developmentally less mature than the others. The very vicious kids tend to have matured faster, they are bigger, they have a sex drive earlier too. These are the ones that also attempt rape sometimes.

>>12839017
I am a developer in a semi similar situation and management constantly worries about them leaving and complains about their high turnover. Its always what can we do to inspire loyalty. I just kind of stare at them in amazement. You could start by pumping the checks, I mean if their work is so good you don't want them to leave there is literally only one way to keep em.

>>12837344
Now this may sound weird...
Ironically, roasties are improving work conditions.
First they are forcefully employed by whatever affirmative action.
The moment they realize work is not cool, they start being grumpy and toxic, demanding more benefits, less work.
Herd mentality works it's magic and within a year the employer has a herd of roasties striking whom he cannot fire.
Checkmate.
Profit.

AA is definitely a jewish masterplan to tankthe companies they force it upon.

>>12839364
What in the actual fuck and yeah, women are sometimes basically a bio-weapon against the economy. There's good female workers obviously but a lot are piss takers who start fucking management to secure their jobs etc.

>>12839364
>AA is definitely a jewish masterplan to tankthe companies they force it upon.

I'm actually considering jumping ship because of this. I'm slowly seeing the majority of management roles going to women and diversity forced all over the place (it really is becoming obnoxious), I cannot believe this is ultimately a good thing. Even though the company is doing absolutely great I feel like there is a huge iceberg and we're going full steam.

Anyone actually had this happen in their corp? How did it end, what did you do?
Maybe I really am a bigoted retard.

>>12837344
Complaining isn't going to get you anywhere.

>>12839538
I'm riding the female-"negotiated" 25% cut in working hours..
Still aboard, building up side hustle, planning the exit when Titanic approaches the (((iceberg)))

>>12837344
i would but, i pay 1000/mo on loans.

i kind of agree with her tbqh, unfortunately i'm forced to do shit on my own and work shit ass wagecuck jobs

>>12838122
thing is, they made it sound like they're doing clerical work and data entry. So is this article describing a white collar job or a baker?

>she's a manager in australia
>of a fast food muffin shop
>she expects her employees to do it for free
>she takes her "job" very seriously
>she does it because it is the only amount of power & control she will ever have in her pathetic life

Question. I've been out of school for two years but stuck in a lower track in my field. Been trying to get something better but don't qualify.
All the internships say you must currently be pursuing an undergrad degree. So I couldn't even do one to get experience in a better subfield if I wanted to?

>>12839665
From what I gather. The general consensus is that the old way of doing shit is over. The internet has uprooted mediocrity. If you want some of those cool jobs, you gotta be a phenom worker. Like top 10% in a school. Maybe a bit SJW-leaning. But even then, I think they straight up don't want to hire anybody. :\

Honestly, best thing to do seems to be to start your own business. Get experience there. You'll either be much more successful than wagecucking. Or you'll get enough experience to BTFO any graduates for those cool jobs.

>>12839601
Interesting, so you're not going to climb the corporate ladder? Honestly that wasn't my idea either but it seems like a highway to money. On the other hand getting experience with a side hustle has a potentially bigger payoff.

>>12839706
>start your own business
Not everyone can do that. My experience is essentially helping with business shit for large companies. I'm a glorified monkey, somedays without the glory desu. And even then I wouldn't qualify for the jobs in the other track that I want. Experience in X is not experience in Y.
So I can't even just get an internship.

>>12839735
i agree. shit sucks mang. perhaps you can figure out a way to get into a community college program for free/cheap and apply for an internship. I dont have any experience in that though

>>12839720
I'm focusing on my skillset instead of office politics. That's cancer.
I;m quite up in the ranks, but my ladder is to get out of wagecucking or wagecuck only non-madatory part time when I will miss it.

>>12837772
Apprecenships paid a livable wage back then. Free labor would have been laughed out of hand

Post the full article, shitlord.
https://www.themercury.com.au/business/work/muffin-break-boss-fury-over-youth-who-wont-work-unpaid/news-story/57607ea9a1bbe52ba7746cff031306f2?nk=c76ecabcd49699e73d9799413dec4f21-1550955280

That said, that'll be a big yikes from me, dawg.

>>12839631
lemme guess, youre younger than 20? you read the headline without reading the article because before you clicked it you knew exactly what was being said because you have a higher feeling of importance and intellect when you're just some fucking incel
she was on about interns in head office, not some fucking retail assistant
late gen Y and all Z have no concept of hard work

How can a human being lack so much empathy and self awareness? Are boomers human or just humanoid?

>>12837393
>>12837429

>>12837344
Unpaid work lol
You're literally pissing your life away in 99% of unpaid jobs. Time = life

>>12837344
Setting aside the entitlement, it is interesting that fewer people are knocking on doors begging for unpaid internships. Maybe they've wised up to the scam (we're all taught now that companies don't consider unpaid internships to be actual work experience), maybe economic conditions are so desperate that they simply can't afford to do an unpaid internship, or maybe it's because they don't post unpaid internships online and no one knocks on doors anymore.

MILLENIALS PLEASE, WE GET OFF ON SLAVING YOU AROUND AND DEGRADING YOU AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! IT'S OUR NUMBER 1 PAST TIME, PLEASE GOYIM WORK FOR FREE AND BEG FOR OUR SHEKELS WHILE WE BUTT FUCK YOU OVER THE OFFICE TABLE!!!

>>12839807
Full article is even wors. Pure cancer.
Also post archives not to feed the (((advertisers))) you shitlord.

http://archive.is/uYrQI

>>12837344
>well then, pay me $30/h for cultivating some flower pots inside your shitty office boxes or I won't be available at fucking all
>"N-no this is n-not how it works, anon."
>Leave
>Others leave too
>Company can't fulfill binding contracts, yet is obliged to pay the rest of the wages
>Boss starts negotiating
>"Everyone gets a raise"
>Half of the employees return in the first month

>>12837344
>because of technology, everyone has greater access to job listing information
>companies are in greater competition, since applicants are better informed
>shit boomer manager, who can barely operate a smart phone mind you, ponders why nobody wants to work at her shit company FOR FREE
>itsthekidsthatareoutoftouch.png

We may have been fucked over by unaffordable housing, education, and retirement, but we are just in time to witness the collapse of boomer culture. Remember when McDonalds got away with selling literal shit to retards? Now the boomers are SEETHING as one by one, their genetic footprint is wiped clean from the culture

>>12838161
That's cool if you're trying to become a chef/decent-ish wife in the future but not much else

>tfw actually living in this fucking Australian wasteland country

>>12839807
i posted it in the second link
read the thread SHITLORD

>>12837344
Bumping a good thread

>>12840207
really is like that, thats why UBI would be so effective

>>12840880
The real wasteland is the job market.

>>12839785
Nope. Working for free in f&b as an apprentice was (and sometimes still is) actually a thing

>>12837344
>>12837449
I'd work for free in my field for the experience.

I work for free at the food bank, the only other people I see around me are right wing Elderly people. Really makes you think

>>12837995
>>12839084

>>12841558

>>12837449
exactly. you create an expectation for others to fill.

>>12839343

"Train people well enough so they can leave, treat people well enough so they won't want to" - Richard Branson

If you look at what motivates employees, salary is usually 4th or 5th on the list, always behind a sense of doing meaningful work and a great working atmosphere/environment. That all falls under organizational culture. The great thing about changing a workplace culture for the better is that, financially, it's very cheap. It does take a lot of time and intentional effort though, and since the payback isn't easily seen on the balance sheet it gets put aside by management.

>>12839538
IMO, diversity is a good thing. as in, it forces the companies to hire "unpopular" people who deserve it. for example, there's no reason that a blind person is any less qualified than a normal person for a coding job assuming that they have an equal amount of knowledge. the problem is that the management misinterprets diversity initiatives as hiring the diverse people for the sake of it.

>>12841745

Next time HR says something about diversity just ask "Why should anyone listen to a lecture on diversity from a department with a 90/10 gender ratio?"

>>12841745
A blind person is less qualified than a normal person assuming they have the same amount of onowledge. Have you ever seen a blind person work? They are much less efficient at computer tasks, due to, you know, being blind. Accessibility software can lessen the impact, but it's still there.

>>12841846
then, the software that you're using is not actually accessible and qualification != efficiency.

>>12841875
Yes, tell me more about how a blind person will be able to scan logs to debug an issue with a screen reader just as fast as a normal person. Efficiency is part of qualification. If you can do twice as much work in the same time frame as someone else, you are more qualified for the job. Or the company should pay you twice as much.

>>12841893
the problem is the software, not the blind person. yes, you're right that (RIGHT NOW) there isn't accessible coding software for blind people to utilize. this fact still doesn't make them any less qualified to code.

>>12839538
I had this happen in a small company, not a corporation. It's a catastrophe. To the point where you will think your psychological health is being greatly affected.

>>12841915
If it takes you twice as long to do something as someone else, you are less qualified. How can you even argue this?

>>12841714
In the right field, perhaps. I started out paying my employees more than all of my competitors and provided great benefits including performance-based bonuses. They all ended up taking it for granted, productivity declined and they became increasingly entitled. At this point I'm a strong believer that, at least in my industry, every employee has a shelf-life so there's no real point in treating them well since they're going to taper off and need to be pruned regardless.

>>12841924
that blind person only takes twice as long to do something because people are too retarded to come up with tools that are suitable for blind people to do the task in the same amount of time.

>>12841956
It's impossible to come up with such tools. Information simply cannot be conveyed fast enough until we get direct links to the brain. Either way, the blind person is less qualified.

>>12841991
this is a stretch lol. there's no reason that something like a tactile computer screen can't make blind people code much better. the only problem is that people like you are too narrow minded and blame everything on muh diversity when it's much more nuanced than that.

>>12842028
>having to move your fingers across the screen to read anything, when someone with normal sight can immediately see everything at once
Yup, it's totally just as good!

>>12842038
>implying that you read by absorbing everything on the screen at once

>>12842054
You do if you are coding. You have to constantly switch between different contexts. If you think coding is just like reading a book you have no idea what you are taking about.

>>12842070
if anything, tactile screen makes this more efficient. you don't have to switch tasks between "scanning" and switching between different contexts. you can just do it all by touch. i do code, and i just happen to be more redpilled on disabilities and accessibility than you are.

>>12842151
>still thinking moving your hand with no guidance is faster than moving your eyes
>people with eyes can't use touchscreens
Why do you keep arguing this? You are looking more and more stupid with every post.

haha..
muffins.

>>12842185
>thinking that blind people are literally retarded and can't have a general sense of where his own fucking project will appear on the screen.
of course sighted people can use touchscreens, and i would encourage them to use these tools, as that it would increase accessibility for blind people. like i explained earlier, the problem is people like you who don't understand accessibility and make the situation worse for everyone instead of just using the right tools for right people.

>>12842225
>thinking a "general sense" of where things are is just as good as knowing the exact location
Do you also think wheelchair basketball players are just as good as NBA players if they have the proper equipment?

I'm so happy my grad degree is over and I have a nice little job with good pay and benefits because more grad school would have destroyed me.

>>12842251
no because i don't compare typical jobs where disabled people should have access to top tier elite sport competitions where even normies have practically 0% chance of making it.

Women are unironically good at corporate shit. I'm sure they're worse at sales, trading, and investing, but on the corporate accounting side most of the women I work with are more competent than the men. Their biggest drawback is being extremely risk averse to the point of creating needless work, but to management that's a good thing. They suck at negotiating pay too and end up driving down wages since management can point at one and go, "She's been here at the same position for 4 years and hasn't asked for a raise."

>>12837344
I wish this was fucking satire. Gas the boomers, age war now.

>>12838138
>You never know, I might even give you a firm handshake.
Handshake THIS Boomer-
>*whips out dick*

>>12837377
2ndpbp

>>12837344
So I saw this thread yesterday, and I'm back again after seeing this post >>12840880 . I didn't realise it was Australia.

You literally aren't allowed to work for free here.
The regulations state that you can only intern for free if it is more beneficial to the student than the company.
Which of course is vague and many companies hire unpaid interns because those intern really do need the experience to get a real job in the future in the current market. So it might as well not be a rule at all.

I've had a couple internships, and I'm glad the industry norm for engineering is to pay the interns the same rate as graduates.
Although there was one company that had 30 or so interns who would just do little unpaid tasks that wouldn't otherwise get done, and were structured for skill building. Then paid "gigs" within the company would be offered to these interns first, before advertised externally. I spend a bout 3 hours per week at that company for 15 weeks and in that time there was no gig suitable for a mechanical engineer.

>>12839328
Sounds like you were a beta, while I was the Chad bully fucking your Stacey. Cry more pussy.

>>12841793

If a department is 100% female, it's 100% gender diverse.

>>12838045
This boomer just wants slaves.
I hope he gets stabbed in his fat boomer belly.

>>12839200

This~~!!!

>>12837344
I am in an internship for 8months now. I should add that it's on an voluntarly basis and i am getting paid nothing...Sucks to be alive.

>>12845049

The fuck are you doing 8 months of unpaid work for? If it's part of the degree, like medicine or something then I understand but if it's just in an office then you're being exploited. If a manager can't/won't decide whether you're suitable for that company or not within 2 weeks you should go somewhere else that actually values your time.