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thread derailment edition

>I'm new to the stock market, what stocks should I buy?
Before you buy anything, make a brokerage account and read investopedia articles and/or the books in the OP list. If you don't have a broker, you can't buy stocks and if you blindly buy things without understanding how the stock market works or doing any research on the individual stocks you're buying, you will lose money and it will be entirely your fault.

List of popular brokers:
https://pastebin.com/mrSchZPg

List of basic stock market terminology for newfags:
https://pastebin.com/VtnpN5iJ

Real-time market news:
https://thefly.com/index.php

Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

Free in depth technical analysis charts:
http://www.tradingview.com

Premarket Data:
https://pastebin.com/y9PRQLR3

Earnings Report Calendars:
https://biz.yahoo.com/research/earncal/today.html
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar

Pump and Dump Advertising:
https://stocktwits.com

S&P 500 VIX Futures (For SVXY/UVXY, higher is better for UVXY, lower is better for SVXY)
https://www.investing.com/indices/us-spx-vix-futures

Basic rundown on lean hogs:
http://www.theoptionsguide.com/lean-hogs-futures-buying.aspx

Biotech Catalyst Calendar:
https://www.biopharmcatalyst.com/calendars/fda-calendar

Suggested books:
https://pastebin.com/jgA5zTuC

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>>12377675
>>12377675
>>12377675

Previous thread

>> No.12380120

First post to bitch about talking losses

>> No.12380122
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FIRST FOR PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE LINE

>> No.12380126

Finished green but kind of a boring low volume day. Went for a good hike. How are y’all?

>> No.12380128
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Bearfags looking up McJobs from shorting the bottom 4 days ago. LMAO @ your life.

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ty grim for the advice!

>> No.12380136

>>12380120
quit messing with meme penny stocks

>> No.12380146

>>12380132
b-bullshit

>> No.12380147
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>>12380100
this is now a CHAINLINK thread. Dump ALL your boomer stocks and all in on link. Also post memes

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>>12380132

>> No.12380164
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Buy Hanes boys. This is going to skyrocket

>> No.12380179

OOPS
sorry
Buy Hanesbrands (HBI)

>> No.12380180

>>12380122
did you just take out a loan to triple your position?

>>12380147
how do I purchase this meme? Last time I looked at it, it was a dot com bubble pump and dump. This time I might pick up 10 units or what ever.

>> No.12380187

noob question, is after-hours trading wonky? My sim's been tracking AMD around 20$ but now it's hovering at 19 and I can't find the gap or the decrease, did my platform just ignore the normal trading hours? thanks lads

>> No.12380199

>>12380164
the material makes me feel uncomfortable
try these out, it allows for cool air circulation throughout your balls and asshole

>> No.12380201

>>12380147

Fuck your fake money greasy lazy neet

>> No.12380203

>>12380179
Nobody wears underwear anymore.

>> No.12380213
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WHY THE FUCK DID I SELL MBOT THIS MORNING.

EVERY TIME I SELL SOMETHING IT MOONS FOR NO FUCKING REASON


FUCK THIS GAY EARTH

>> No.12380216

>>12380086

You bet, anon. Beating the indices is always good. Keep it up.

>> No.12380217
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>>12380199
oops forgot sexy pic

>> No.12380227

>>12380213
>selling
>ever

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>>12380180
1k suicide insurance, 10k to make it.
>buy btc from coinbase
>withdraw to btc wallet
>send btc to binance
>buy LINK/BTC Pair
>Place order 5-10% lower than market
>withdraw 10k link to paper wallet or ledger nano s, whichever makes you comfy
>wait 1-2 years
>????
>profit
god speed boomer man

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Ratsu is a cuter twink than baggy, prove me wrong

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>>12380187
>noob question, is after-hours trading wonky?
yes, always
>My sim's been tracking AMD around 20$ but now it's hovering at 19 and I can't find the gap or the decrease, did my platform just ignore the normal trading hours?
depends on the platform

but probably

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>>12380128
Bullfags already at McDonald's from buying the top lmfao.

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>>12380231
how do i easily turn my PC into a (insert favorite shitcoin here) miner when im not busy using it?

my electricity is free, so ignore utilities costs

>hardmode: i have property of (insert favorite shitcoin here), not the spam virus that the website you linked

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THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

checked OP

>> No.12380281

>>12380231
I got $1,100 BTC from the $1000 I bought in my Jewbase right now, that's pretty cool. So how do I send it to binance?

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>>12380241
thanks based thief's guild assassin, I have calls in both SPY and AMD were green all day and now are deep red due to the aforementioned after-hours shenanigans

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>>12380164

Here is swing ta for the hanes underoos outfit. The good is that it bounced off the first of the two possible lower trend lines of falling channel. Bad is that it's firmly in said falling channel. Certainly contrarian swing tradeable I think. Be prepared to take profit at 18.50-19 bucks or thereabouts.

>> No.12380331

You know, despite all of the tripfags, money burning, and shitposting this is probably the best community on 4chan. You guys are alright.

>> No.12380338

JUST DO IT DONT THINK JUST BUY

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>>12380331

>> No.12380344

>>12380331
>best community on 4chan
not even close, i'm a /tg/ browser and /wip/ threads are where's it's at homie

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>>12380244
please stop buying

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>>12380331
That is because stacks require at least some capital (which 90% of population does not have, in murica most millenals have actually negative net worth), and slight interest in financial markets and personal financial planning, which eliminates another 90%. So you will have natural shitpost/super donkey filters at some basic degree

>> No.12380391

>>12380362
You don't even know what shorting is. Bears smash and dash. We don't wife up short positions. That shit is dumb.
Also
>only playing one side

>> No.12380394

>>12380147
Can I just buy this 0x shit? It's cheaper than the links and as far as I'm concerned it does the same thing.

>> No.12380400

>>12380331
Nice post fren

>> No.12380405

>>12380217
honestly if you actually wear that shit and not
>>12380164
I'm going to assume you'r a gay bottom.

>> No.12380416

>>12380331
+1
the urge to survive is at maximum here

>> No.12380421

>>12380387
So we're like the Elite of 4chan.... I feel like my dick just grew 2 inches.

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>>12380344
>/tg/

>> No.12380429

>>12380421
Go show it to some cam whore thot that will pretend to care.

>> No.12380432
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>>12380423
now now anon, there are more hobbies in life than just sucking tripfag cock and slurping up meme stocks

>> No.12380436

>>12380421
"And on that day, Anon's autism level grew two fold!"

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>>12380405
boxer briefs are nice for when you want to avoid the gay/low sperm count briefs give you, but also want to avoid the sound of your balls slapping your thighs as you walk that you get with boxers

plus with no hole in the front you dont get your penis scratched by a zipper if you sit wrong

>> No.12380443

Whats better use of money in your 20s, dumping it into the stock market or saving up cash to put a solid down payment on a well priced home in an area you enjoy living in/can rent it out later on in

>> No.12380448

>>12380203
this

>> No.12380452

>>12380432
yea I can spend the entire day shit posting in a thread dedicated to zog controlled meme president

>were gettin the hell outta Syria and Afghanistan!

two seconds later

>naah just kidding

not to mention
>BASED BLACK CUM!
>BEN SHAPIRO IS BASED!
>CIVIC NATIONALISM!

no thanks bro, I'll stick to /biz/

>> No.12380463

>>12380441
I'll consider buying some if I can find them in a color other than eye searing neon green and purple.

>> No.12380465

>>12380391
>We don't wife up short positions
as you shouldn't, at least in the long term
there are no successful long term bears for a reason, the markets naturally tend towards bullishness as the economy expands over time

>only playing one side
my tripfag name is "Pendulum", ffs
I know the markets will naturally cycle between periods of expansion and contraction and that both are opportunities to profit if you're in the right things
I do think the market is late cycle and that a period of contraction is coming, but I don't think that period is here yet
Also bears were obnoxious as fuck during the Q4 2018 correction, and I want to annoy them just as much until the actual bear market comes

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>>12380452
>somehow equating "having hobbies" with "daily shitposting"
was there autism syrup on the floor where you were dropped as a baby?

>> No.12380487

>>12380478
>the migatard lashes out as you expose him
YIKES....it's ok bro, let's chant miga together
MIGA!
MIGA!
more aid for israel!
AWOOOOOOOOOOO!
there...happy?

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>>12380326
I sure hope it doesnt hit that fucking teal line

>> No.12380494

>>12380421
Congrats on your 3 inch penis /biz/ fren

>> No.12380495

>>12380487
Ben Shapiro is pretty cool.

>> No.12380498
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>>12380443
stocks, withdraw as soon as the housing market crashes, and buy a house

then continue getting more stocks while resting confidently knowing theres no way your house will decrease any further (unless gentrification)

also stocks are exponentially more liquid than a house, and you dont want to be stuck with a bad house purchase in your 20's, your 20's is the best time to move and reset your life when things go bad, and a huge illiquid asset (house) will drag you down if you experience any negative surprises in life

a house is something you settle down in once you have life figured out, not something to get when you are a total newb at life

>>12380463
>buy a bunch of cloth dye
>drench bright boxers
>???
>profit

also who gives a fuck what color your underwear is? the only way someone is going to see it is if they are already ready to fugg anyways

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>>12380487
were you the guy that posted your shitty calls by taking a picture of your screen, downloading it, renamed the file and posted it here?

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>>12380421
Let just say the bar is not set very high at many other places (such as pol, reddit etc.) so at least you encounter some standards here

>> No.12380520

>>12380495
He attacks the lowest hanging fruit and they make him seem like he's this profound free thinker that isn't afraid of anything...until you mention Israel. That's the problem I have with these dudes.

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>>12380511
how much of a brainlet do you have to be to consider screencapping difficult despite being tech-saavy"enough to use 4chan

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>>12380498
I'd know anon...I'd know

>>12380495
you would like him

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>>12380518
What's her name on the left? Been jerking it to her for a couple weeks and can't find new pictures.

>> No.12380535

Up again, one week straight. ; )

>> No.12380539

>>12380498
i thought gentrification means all the whites move in, which is going to make prices go UP?

where i live i can get a 3 bed safe house for 150k easily, but i am a bit concenred about being stuck with a mortgage/trying to rent it out if i move out of the area

it sucks dumping rent somewhere where i dont get any of the money back in the form of equity, but money liquidity and adapability to moving/life DOES have significant value, which is indeed why i havent bought yet

also i live in fucking Missouri so i'd really like to move elsewhere anyways

>> No.12380542

>>12380489

Yeah this stock apparently likes to violently dump every once in a while. The gap down sell off back on August 1st was nasty business.

>> No.12380548

>>12380535
>he said, posting no proof of his statement

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>>12380533

>> No.12380555

>>12380534
Her name is "Regret"

>> No.12380558

>>12380534
What, you mean, bru... caitlyn jenner? Those two are her daughters

>> No.12380559

>>12380326
You the canadian tire dude from yesterday?

>> No.12380561

any leafs here got into wealthsimple trade's beta app? only thinking of using it for CAD stocks until they can hold USD

>> No.12380563

>>12380520
Yeah he does pick low hanging fruit. I dunno I guess they've put his show on in place of Micheal Savage so I dunno, you're right though what he was from what I was listening to last night wasn't really insightful at all,.

>> No.12380567

>>12380548
I used to think posting screens of my portfolio was besting all the fags, but then I realized no one responds when you're so clearly winning.

>> No.12380566

>>12380559

yessum

>> No.12380572

>>12380443
I'm 24 and figure by 30 I will have generated roughly 100k in investment assets which would be generating ~5k/yr in passive income by 30 using boomer dividend strategies.

I live very frugally so I think about is as weighing a 1.5k/month mortgage commitment versus paying 900/month on rent, which is offset to 484/month if you weigh the passive income against it.

People who say real estate is an investment for wealth appreciation neglect to mention that you only get the full benefit of this if you pay in full. If you're taking a mortgage you're sacrificing a good chunk of the appreciated value of the property up front in the form of interest payments.

I am confident that keeping an extra 1k in cash flow per month which can be added to my investment portfolio will put me in a better position than liquidating most of my positions for a downpayment and limiting my ability to take up new positions. But a lot of that depends on real estate prices where you live and how cheaply you can rent/commute.

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>>12380554

>> No.12380589

>>12380567
they see it anyways, all that matters is that the proof is there

>> No.12380611

>>12380580
BASED! and FAGGOT PILLED!

>> No.12380614

>>12380566
Cool you made my company half a million today. thanks

>> No.12380623
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>namefags think they will be remembered after posting on an anonymous Machurian cooking forum
Sorry but this board is strictly for sharing strategies on losing with internet meme money gambling. Saged

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>>12380539
>i thought gentrification means all the whites move in, which is going to make prices go UP?
ok, whatever the word for "the local methadone clinic moved in" or "((ethnic minority)) floods the area
whatever the word is for when property prices in the entire neighborhood falls

>where i live i can get a 3 bed safe house for 150k easily, but i am a bit concenred about being stuck with a mortgage/trying to rent it out if i move out of the area
yes, it can be a huge drain, unless you will be happy staying put for 30 years or more

>it sucks dumping rent somewhere where i dont get any of the money back in the form of equity, but money liquidity and adapability to moving/life DOES have significant value, which is indeed why i havent bought yet
renting can be a money saver compared to buying, but it all depends on the market conditions, and local area
rent can be cheaper than property tax + missed opportunities though

>also i live in fucking Missouri so i'd really like to move elsewhere anyways
nice, i have family from Tarkio! (and some in Rockport too i think)
my grandpa was from there (he moved away after WWII ended)

but also, i know how boring it can be out there (from visiting a few times)

>> No.12380631

>>12380572
You seem very similar to me, do you have email or Steam by chance? I spent all of last year figuring out my financial future as well and came up with similar numbers to you, i also have at minimum $1k and up to 1500 a month 'extra' that Im trying to decide what to do with, thats my decision between dumping it into stocks or saving for a down payment/locking in a mortgage

my numbers are different than yours a bit, i currently pay 760 for rent/water/trash plus 100 in electricity, and i can get a 150k house easily which would be about a 750 mortgage plus then say 150 electric and 1-2% of house costs in maintenance annually, plus various insurance and such

unsure what to do :(

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>>12380614

Wut? Wow. Congrats on that.

>> No.12380643

>>12380627
if you know the area at all I actually live in Lees Summit, a 90%+ white suburb of Kansas City. Prices though are much cheaper here than the other white suburbs which is what is making me look at buying, but ive always lived in Missouri/Kansas my entire life and want to move at some point

so no, i dont want to be here for 30 years lol, buying as much index funds as I can monthly might simply be the best strategy for me

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>>12380572
>>12380631
If you're adding money continually i think you'd really benefit from putting money into bond funds for the moment and waiting until a crash to start putting into dividend stocks and bluechips. Pic related.

Besides the fact that a bond fund will preserve the value of your money they also perform really well during a recession due to falling yields kicking up prices.

>> No.12380669

>>12380650
>implying the fed isn't going to be force to raise rates in the next recession to curb inflation and cause gold to moon.

>> No.12380675

I bought 5 shares of PGE today at $17/share in my IRA.

What will it be worth when I retire?

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>>12380650
>attempting to time the market
>strategy relies on a crash
>communism

Never gonna make it.

>> No.12380688

>>12380669
Easy to hedge with a TIPS fund, in that scenario. Gold is an ok hedge against crisis, but it's not as reliable as bonds since it doesn't earn interest.

>> No.12380689

>>12380650
I personally currently own about $20k in index funds, and buy between $1k-1500 monthly. SPY, QQQ, QLD, SSO. I'm more or less 1.5x leveraged in both the Chadaq and SP500, and own 0 bonds of any kind. Im only 25 so Im willing to take the long term risk, looking to finish working completely by 45.

Is that chart only reinvesting divvys is that what its saying? How does cost averaging down during recessions compare? I would anticipate during big crashes thats actually more valuable long term even if it hurts in the short term, could end up getting some REALLY cheap index funds throughout this year if we go full bear market and lose another 25% before switching bull again

>> No.12380692

>>12380554
He's right though.

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>>12380643
>if you know the area at all I actually live in Lees Summit, a 90%+ white suburb of Kansas City. Prices though are much cheaper here than the other white suburbs which is what is making me look at buying, but ive always lived in Missouri/Kansas my entire life and want to move at some point
i dont, besides the top corner, the Iowa border, and been to St Louis once

but being from Michigan, everything west of chicago all the way to Tarkio seemed the same, flat with occasional hills, corn, and more corn

and ive heard Kansas is even worse to drive through ( I cant imagine anyplace worse to drive through though)

>>12380643
>>so no, i dont want to be here for 30 years
then stocks are absolutely the way to go, as it can take a few years to sell a house after youve bought one (2 years to buy + 3 years to sell, means 5 years at a house minimum easily)
remember, theres no garuantee that someone will buy a house if youre willing to sell it, even if you want to sell it at a loss

ive heard a good rule of thumb is only buy a house if you want to live there for 30 years or more, but im only 26, so idk how true it is

>> No.12380704

>>12380680
Yield curve is the most basic kind of market signal here, being more defensive while late cycle is just common sense. If you think we've somehow fixed the instability of capitalism, you're in for something else.

>> No.12380712

>>12380692
hey rabbi
swindle any goyim today?

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>>12380704
You're the one timing the market. Instability is a far bigger issue for you than it is for me.

I just buy and hold. Ride the waves.

>> No.12380734

>>12380689
Well in a time scale of twenty years you're odds are better but still not perfect. The real average returns for stocks for the past twenty years have been pretty poor in historical terms.

The chart's green line is just reinvesting dividends. I'm still working on setting up a way to check cost averaging through continual regular payments that are equivalent in real terms.

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>tfw want trump to declare emergency so wall can be built
>stocks will most likely plummet from initial panic
should've hedged everything

>> No.12380746

>>12380734
When was the last time the fed rate was raised from 0%? I think we're in completely uncharted waters here.

>> No.12380766

>>12380734
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/

this may help

If You bought beginning Jan 2007 through until today, 50/50 QQQ and SPY, and never sold, you'd have made 9.6%+ time weighted return, which is pretty damn good for going thruogh an entire recession in the middle of that

i could juice the numbers and say Jan 2009- Jan 2019 and you'd be up 16%+ time weighted return which is sublime

>> No.12380767

>>12380745
I guarantee he capitulates on the world stage yet again...he will compromise.

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>>12380695
>I cant imagine anyplace worse to drive through though

Eastern Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba. You will see nothing but flat farm fields the entire way. I have family in that area and usually fly in because I'm scared I will fall asleep if I try to drive the trip. Pic related is pretty much the same straight through eastern Alberta - Manitoba.

>> No.12380792

>>12380767
you're probably right, I just want the US to grow some fucking balls and rip the band-aid off of its nasty immigration problems

>> No.12380795

>>12380712
I actually did, thnks for asking. Let me ask you this. What's more important, your race or the language that you speak?

>> No.12380802

>>12380746

It was near 0% in the early 00s after the dot com bubble. Rates peaked at 5 or 6% in 2006.

>> No.12380806

>>12380728
On the contrary, my worst case scenario is 3% returns for a year. Yours is -50%. You can only completely ignore instability (purely from the market) on the timescale of 50 years. And as you stretch out the time longer, so do you also add risks of different kinds of instability: ecological, political.

>>12380766
Much of those gains over 2007 came only in the last three years, I don't think we're too far from the next crash which could easily derail those kind of returns.

>>12380746
it's been some time, yes, but that just an even better case for a defensive posture and reduced risk.

>> No.12380814

>>12380795
my race
14/88

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THEY'RE FUCKING LISTENING!!!!

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>>12380692
>implying race is like water into the cup of ideology
civic nationalists are so cringe

>> No.12380850

>>12380806
your guessing waht might happen in the future

i've already shown if you just buy and hold, even going through a giant recession, you STILL made 8%+ on your money without worrying about timing the market

basically worst case scenario and you STILL made enormous gains

>> No.12380862

>>12380100
I'm about to drop $50 in WFT, wish me luck

>> No.12380881

>>12380806
Gommie, there is a reason why you were power ranked the worst trip in /smg/ by the based trip poweranker

>> No.12380904

>>12380881
>muh arbitrary popularity list

>> No.12380905

Imagine driving 10 hours of nothing but this. In summer. 90F+ degrees, sun trying to kill you, no clouds. No air conditioning because it's broken and you're too poor to fix it. Nothing but wave after wave of grasshoppers an heroing on your windshield.

I've done it. Never again.

>> No.12380911

>>12380806
I'd love communists if they were in cages and spat out the odd jokes every once in a while instead of having to live shoulder to shoulder with them

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>>12380881
pros:
thoughtful discussion and talking points

cons:
can drift off topic, doubles down when proven wrong, occasionally does not let discussion move on to new topics

and the "power rankings" were made arbitrary and spur of the moment, not comprehensive, researched, or definitive

>>12380904
>muh sour grapes

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>>12380905

forgot the goddamn pic

>> No.12380924

>>12380814
Ah I see. You've got it all backwards. It's Hypocritical that you express your racism with a language that doesn't even belong to your race, nor any for the matter. Language transcends race, nationality, and ideology.

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>>12380904
>t. low rank

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>>12380268

Question divvy anon, is it better to buy more stable divvs or stocks that pay divvs? I want to be risky, but I love payouts and I’ve heard bonds are for boomers.

>> No.12380949

>>12380539
how hard is it to sell a house where you are? just start living in it and paying off a mortgage, then if you want to move in a few years, sell it, pay off the remainder of the mortgage and put whatever you have left as a downpayment for a new house

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>>12380916
Kansas is worse ive heard
>strait line, no stops, no curves, for 12 hours strait
you dont even need a tesla to autopilot across the entire fucking state

my dad fell asleep a few times driving across it by motorcycle

>>12380814
>topcringe

>> No.12380962

>>12380850
Buying and holding to the end of a whole cycle, yeah you'll make gains. That I'm guessing there will be a crash at some point in the future is hardly a guess, it would be far less credible that there weren't any more recessions in the future.

Also, I'd really contest whether 2008 was the worst case scenario. Stagflation and the great depression were both worse and lasted a lot longer.

The fact of the matter is, my strategy still contains less risk than just buying and holding because it is based around far less risky assets. And yet, historically, it still has higher returns!

>> No.12380964

>>12380949
Well I've never sold before so I'm not sure, but on Zillow there is never anything avaialble for more than a few months

Closing costs on both sides kills frequent moving though is the issue, usually a house only cmoes out ahead of an apartment if your willing to be there for at least a decade

>> No.12380978

Is there a feed shitposter tomorrow?

>> No.12380980

>>12380950
That's Western Kansas. Nothing wrong with eastern Kansas.

>> No.12380990

>>12380862
You are going to lose money. Weatherford is completely fucked.

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>>12380962
So you can buy and hold and get high returns.

Or... You can pray to the dead spirit of Mao that a crash happens, and that it's a sufficiently large crash, and that you time the bottom right... To make maybe slightly higher. In theory.

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Over the last 3 months i am down 7.86% and S&P is down 9.97%
Can i consider this an achievement?

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>>12380100
If you haven't bought the tech sector bounce, can I interest you in some rope?

>> No.12381021

>>12380916
>>12380950
>>12380905
https://youtu.be/3DBwsBTbW2w?t=641

>> No.12381025

>>12381009
thats waht im saying lmao

even if he IS right, the maybe potential better returns if you do it perfectly might exist

but if you just buy and hold you will never fail and will always be able to retire and will always make it

also you only live one life, so if you fail this perfect market timing, your stuck in poverty forever

lmao

>> No.12381028

What do you do when you find out that a company you're holding is about to shut down an entire manufacturing facility for maintenance/upgrades for a quarter?

>> No.12381037

>>12380990
Just for that, I'm gonna up my investment to $69

suck my dick, once this stock goes to $10, I'm gonna fucking rake in the cash bro.

>> No.12381047

>>12380643
just settle down in lee's summit dude its pretty nice
some of my college buddies live there, one already bought a nice house a couple years ago

u see parker sage or boris tell em I said whats up

>> No.12381054

This may be an inappropriate thread but I see there are several people posting about house buying and giving their thoughts.
I am 25 and work two jobs that are very stable with a combined income of 50k or more a year.
I have rented for several years and am looking into house buying. It would be a place I live in for 5-10 years until I sell for a profit.
I am looking in an area that I know very well and is pretty well cushioned from the biggest effects of a large scale recession.
I am looking in the 250k range and below. If anyone had any advice for someone like me, what would you say?
You can call me a faggot but any advice is greatly appreciated

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>>12381012
>>Can i consider this an achievement?
you can consider anything an achievement

but yes, if you were mostly invested in S&P or S&P stocks


>>12381014
FUCK HOW COULD I FORGET THE TRIPFRIEND WHO I FOLLOW ON TRADINGVIEW?!?!?

>Sold AMZN at $1500, didnt get back on the ride because having 35% in one stock was killing me
feels kinda bad man
but trying to make the best of it with my newfound liquidity

I'm half hoping for a big crash so i can get back on the ride, but oh well, cant cry about the past

>> No.12381064

ORANGE MAN GOING TO CRASH THE MARKET AGAIN

>> No.12381067

>>12381012
Yes. A minor one.

>> No.12381072

>>12381009
Don't need to time the bottom exactly at all, just have to avoid the initial fall and then start buying at some point in a recession.

And it's hardly theoretical, as I've just shown, going into bonds after a yield curve inversion works historically. And it works pretty well whether you're waiting three years or four years.

>>12381025
If I fail, I'll still have all the money I've saved up over the years and probably even when adjusted for inflation. If a crash happens when you're expecting to retire that's it. And as I mentioned, worse case scenarios are a literal decade of shit.

>> No.12381092

>>12381047
yeah its nice here, cheap enough and all white people so nothing ever happens here

but its so boring and ive never lived outside of like a 30 mile radius, i want to move away from this boring shithole and buying a house is the opposite of that

living eslewhere and trying to rent it out and be a landlord sounds awful, i'd want to just sell and then I'd end up paying closing costs to both buy AND sell within a decade and im not sure thats worth it

i know a Parker and a Sage, what are their last names? i assume those are their firsts? Sage is a girl that i know though lmao

>> No.12381103

>>12381060
:) it's cool I lurk a lot more now. Haven't had time for quality posting. I'm working on a new high risk strategy and will likely begin posting here & publishing on trading view again.

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>>12380128
Sure thing

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I am mostly always bullish, but went puts on Q today and got JUST. Was betting on Trump saying some dumb shit which may have been shortsighted. I was going to wait until EOD to place it and got greedy. Not sure what he can even say besides trashing China to make it tank.

>> No.12381127

>>12380745

Yea just like when he was announced president and stocks dipped into crash territory...oh wait, then they bounced up and gave us the golden bull run we’ve experienced. I think you’re fine anon.

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>>12381072
>>12381025
>>12381009
>to make maybe slightly higher.
Ah, by the way, maybe I should share this graph when I remove the log scale so you can see the raw difference.

>> No.12381143

Is holding long positions on eToro worth it ?

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>>12381103
nice, ill have to look at tradingview again, i havnt since this summer at least

im still salty that they do not allow you to remake your name, and that i picked such a retarded one on there
and salty that the only thing they export to .scv is broad screener data, not trailing data for specific stocks

but i didnt want to rewrite 40+ different scripts, because im lazy

>>12381064
oh shit thats in 2.75 hours isnt it

>half want him to crash the market for cheapies, and to make money from hedges
>half want him to initiate the golden bull run, so my long term holdings goes up

>> No.12381185

>>12380558
>her

>> No.12381194

>>12380394
you'd be very wrong with that assumption.

>> No.12381195

>>12381072
>If I fail, I'll still have all the money I've saved up over the years and probably even when adjusted for inflation. If a crash happens when you're expecting to retire that's it. And as I mentioned, worse case scenarios are a literal decade of shit
This may be the smartest thing i ever heard you say. You're still a faggot and you should die tho

>> No.12381207

>>12380362
>please stop buying
The only way this market stops bull is if Trump is found guilty by the senate at the Democrat controlled house impeaches him or if (((they))) successfully assassinate him. Market has shown : it doesn't care about government shutdown, even an extended one. The trade war with China will not have major effect on the bottom line. The collapse of the EU is the last Catalyst we have for big volatility. In the end, the US market will prevail.

This recent downturn was in large part a reassessment of the tech sector. It is ridiculous how overpriced most tech companies are ; all in hope they will eventually take over completely. But this will not happen, eventually monopoly laws will be enacted (as they should been already). Until then though it's an easy coast to gains.

>> No.12381229

>>12381165
No pain no gains.

Your probably better as scripting now anyways, don't even look at your old scripts. Be fresh

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>>12381072
>If a crash happens when you're expecting to retire that's it.

this is why you put an increasing amount of your portfolio in bonds as you get older
i'm currently willing to have the very high risk portfolio I do because I'm very young and could afford to lose all the money in my portfolio without any lasting repercussions on my life
as I get older and put more money into my portfolio, i'm planning on diversifying into less volatile areas and dollar cost averaging over time

>>12381207
I think there's going to be a rotation to value and defensive sectors soon, it's pretty clear that the period of highest growth in this market is over
I don't think a real bear market will be coming for a while, but I think the market is late cycle and that things have started slowing down

>> No.12381251

>>12381207
Interest rates? Bond yields?
(((The fed)))can fuck Trump's shit up easily

>> No.12381282

>>12381207

I don’t even think that matters. Remember Pence is like Trump 0.5 and he’s next in line. He’ll honestly be worse for the dems. Worst case would be both are assassinated and Hillary is made president and the economy crashes and the US is still put in a state of emergency and she becomes chief overlord until China wipes us out.

>>12381165

I feel you, but I’m thinking we’d either be headed for a flat market run for a few months or golden bull is back on. We’ve already started recovering and he only good news has been that the feds think they may have fucked up in rate hikes.

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>>12381248
also, I do intend to have most of my portfolio in bonds by the time I retire

>> No.12381298

>>12381251
They won't. Trump has made it clear he won't back off. The fed does not want to be put under public scrutiny. If they did it would be a mutually assured destruction deal.

>>12381248
While defense has been a clear buy since Trump was elected I don't think we are slowing down yet. Expect big gains with China Resolution this year.

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>> No.12381355

>>12381298
>If they did it would be a mutually assured destruction deal.
Maybe an October surprise? I wouldn't put it past them to go all in. The extent the fed can manipulate markets is incomprehensible. The extent that public sentiment can be manipulated by the market is the same.

>> No.12381357

is sears really fucked? bout to drop money on it.

>> No.12381361

>>12381357
When was the last time you went to a Sears?

>> No.12381371

>>12381357
>green ID
Bullish

>> No.12381378

>>12381357
you're supposed to buy companies with good fundamentals cheap, not randomly buy any company because it used to be big and has gone down in price a lot recently
sears and its contemporaries are dying, it would be like buying blockbuster stock when Netflix had already taken almost all of its market share

>> No.12381417

>>12381357
>is sears really fucked?

If you have to ask, you're not going to make it.

>> No.12381426

>>12381357

It's an American icon. It will get saved.

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>>12381378
>implying the new necktie streaming service won't ejaculate revenue
Never gonna make it

>> No.12381446

>>12381357
like a cheerleader on prom night

>> No.12381462

>>12381378
This.

If you want a company with solid fundamentals that has taken a hit over the past year buy tsx:cix (solid financial company, 2nd biggest mutual fund provider in leafistan but being punished for reduced cash flow as a result of recent aquisitions) or nyse:maxr (was already a bargaim and just dropped another 30% today over a broken satalite that they're fully insured for- no lost operating capital at all, yu missed the big dip today, it won't go back under 5:25 again, but it's still cheap where it cureentry stands)

>> No.12381467

>>12381426
Isn't blockbuster an american icon as well ?

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Buy Sears, JCP, and HMNY stock or you are not going to make it.

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>>12381462
BUY SEARS OR BE A POORFAG FOREVER YOUR CHOICE

>> No.12381507

>>12381467

No

>> No.12381518

>>12381492
but they're bankrupt

>> No.12381526

ok so I did something dumb. I accidentally placed a sell order for my Fox position. Thank god for whatever reason the trade was rejected so I still own the shares. Problem is that now on my position list it gives the cusip number and the number of shares I own but that's it. No value no nothing. Will this shit sort itself out tomorrow or should I call the broker service dept and get them to fix it.

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>>12381526
speaking of doing dumb things..

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>>12381547

>> No.12381568

>>12381462
actually really solid advice. I'm throwing $1000 in MAXR tomorrow morning.

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>>12381518
THE FIRE RISES FAGGOT. FROM THE ASHES A NEW DEPARTMENT STORE WITH THE LATEST IN GE HIGH TECH WASHING MACHINES AND LIZ CLAIBORNE FRAGRANCES SHALL BE BORN
THEIR ESCALATOR MAINTENANCE IS GOAT TIER BTW

>> No.12381599

Market was shit today, these threads are shit today. Go figure.

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>>12381547
>entered price
>market

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QQQ CALLS UNTIL YOU DIE.

>> No.12381663

>>12381568
I wanted to today but im already long on so many positions and didnt want to liquidate anything for it, if I get in on MAXR it wont be for another week when i get payed and I probably will have missed the boat but if I was liquid rn I'd be jumping in.

Fucking DUDE WEED small caps had be bag holding at -40%, recovered back to -12% on them but gotta hold through it till I get it back.

Rest of my portfolio is boomer dividends that I dont let myself sell, axiomatic rule.

>> No.12381677

>>12381639
No we're making our shekels on GDX tonight and getting cheapies in the AM.

>> No.12381709

Reminder that Trump is going to go out and convince the American people that the situation on the southern boarder has reached a crisis as large as Pearl Harbor or 9/11. We're getting cheapies tomorrow.

>> No.12381725

>>12381677
Wrong. It doesn't matter if Trump fakes a terrorist incident or whatever. It's the business as usual, like it was under Obama and Clinton.

>> No.12381744

>>12381725
Wait so you mean I'ma get fucked at open?

>> No.12381747

Every day we worry about politics is a day wasted from profiting from the compounding shares. Politics should only matter if world is like actually legit srsly ending, rather than some usual political shitshow.

>> No.12381761

>>12381747
As big as Pearl Harbor or Sept.11th.

>> No.12381763

Does anyone else hate their ancestors for being such short term thinking fuckups? It's so fucking hard for me to make and follow through on rational decisions because of these dumb asshats operating like degenerates for millions of years.

>> No.12381769

Yo, got some inside for ya.

Shutdown isn't about the wall, it's about suppressing market data. Soon as those numbers roll in, speculators are going to go ape shit.

Just a heads up, you need to sell before an agreement is reached.

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>>>/pol/199162637

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>>12381769
>>12381778
OH NO SOME GUY ON 4CHAN TOLD ME THAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO CRASH FOR SURE 100%
BETTER SELL

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>>12381778
OH NO TWO BANKERS KILLED THEMSELVES, THIS MUST MEAN THE MARKET IS ABOUT TO CRASH
THERE'S NO OTHER EXPLANATION

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T-1.5 hours

will it be a bull announcement, or a bear announcement?!?!?

>captchas are malfunctioning

>> No.12381823

>>12381526
ok so I sent my broker a message about it; they'll get back with me soon I hope. Also asked them to resend the fox + dis merger paperwork cause I need to redo it. I bought another fox share so now after the merger I'll gain a whole Dis share + stock in the "new fox" spin off. Before I'd only qualify for Cash option due to lack of enough fox shares. Goes without saying that as soon as the "New Fox" share price is hitting $48 per ( or higher) as is the current Fox I'm selling that shit fast. So I'll make $144 + gain a Dis share for free. I already got Dis shares (12) so this will make 13 total.

>> No.12381825

>>12381568
Is this a buy right now?

>> No.12381871

Market up or down tomorrow after trump speech tonight?

>> No.12381884

>>12381871
Depends if he chimps out or not I guess. Seems like futures are flat and might be waiting on the news.

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>>12381357

Ship is sunk. Only thing happening is fish swimming around in the rusted carcass at the bottom of the drink.

>> No.12381947

>>12381905
Yeah, it's done for. no one will buy it. to much debt. anyone interested will look at the books and then run. Sears maybe able to sell some brands (Diehard, etc) but even that won't generate enough money to pay off the debt.

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>>12381462

Oof. CIX entry right now is too ballsy for me despite it being oversold on weekly and monthly. If I were to trade this at some point I would want to see the current low hold, a high off it set on the daily, followed by a higher low. Chart broke every support it had.

>> No.12381970

Thank you to baggy for telling me about QYLD, definitely buying on the next deposit

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So how do we end Verizon, charter, AT&T, and other monopolies?

>> No.12382069

>>12382012
Joe Newlin sounds like a massive faggot. Why doesn't he just switch off gas and use electric or fucking oil. Oh yeah cause he's a stupid commie and wants the government to think for him.

>> No.12382086

>>12382012
He could even get a wood stove and fucking burn lumber to stay warm and cook his food. Massive colostomy bag that faggot is.

>> No.12382110

>>12382012
>So how do we end Verizon, charter, AT&T, and other monopolies?
Get pewdiepie to talk about it repeatedly and have him tell his audience to go out and talk to other people about it. Especially their parents.

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>>12382069
He probably is, idk it's a random meme from facebook
Also can't burn in home in the city, and his point about monopolies being anticonsumer remains valid, even if the example is bad

>>12382086
Can't own wood or corn burner in city because government laws

>>12382110
But what if we want to do something that will actually work?

>> No.12382170

>>12380964
4 years is the average break even point on buying vs renting. Remember that you can “lose” money on a house and still walk away with more money in your pocket than if you rented. Housing is a sunk cost.

>> No.12382194

>>12382136
>government laws
well done, you answered your own question. That's how its done.

>> No.12382197
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Bears are losing steam lately. The Doomsaying is only half-hearted.

>> No.12382206

>>12382136
>But what if we want to do something that will actually work?
>we
guillotine.

>> No.12382218
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T-30 minutes

>>12382194
So monopolies are bad, unless they are good?

>>12382206
3edgy5me

>> No.12382239

>>12382218
monopolies are good when I've got stock in the company

>> No.12382268

>>12382218
Competition has always been the driving force behind innovation and efficiency. I don't believe in punishing a business for being the best at what they do, but when they drive competition out of the market it can really impact the market. I guess depends upon the product and industry. I wouldn't call really call verizon or at&t monopolies.

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>>12380239
ratsu is the cutest twink
this is an actual picture of ratsu

>> No.12382358

just had a dream I was getting chased by Bears and had to hide inside a wooden Bull

>> No.12382362

>>12382268
But at local levels they are (depending on the location)

What is a fix for this, government controlled pricing at local level, government funded (or owned) competition at local level, or funding startup companies at a local level?

Either way, I refuse to invest in companies that hold their customer hostage like that, since given the chance, those customers will leave,and it encourages complacency, stagnation, and inevitable downturns later on (people cordcitting cable for Netflix, for example)

>> No.12382385

If anyone cares speech link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbbOmqPdmMc

>> No.12382406

>>12382385
how epic would it be if he just showed everybody memes on his phone projected to some big screen about BUILD THE W A L L

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>>12381871
Algos gonna dump no matter what.

>> No.12382418

>>12382362
you invest based on emotions?

l m a o

never going to make it if you dont invest in shit that is taking advantage of you, being able to buy equities is individuals way of protecting themselves against corporations

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>>12382288
100%
>>12382385
Starts in 5 mins right?

>> No.12382465

>>12382414
so just hold no matter what and don't get worked up over short term price action

>> No.12382468

I hope he comes out and tells the children there's no such thing as Santa.

>> No.12382477

>>12382440
yeah, should be any minute now

>> No.12382489

>>12382468
He told that little girl over the phone on camera, comedy gold
>it's marginal

>> No.12382561

People seem to be overreacting about this new recession, yet there are no points or factors indicating that we're going into recession.

>> No.12382577

I invested in T and Dis stock. For the Fat Divs. Also invested in AMRN for the awesome growth and Profit potential. Got a lessor amount in GE and Comcast stock. Bagged Fox solely to take full advantage of the Dis merger. Once it's done, I'm gonna sell Fox for a nice profit. Get a Dis Share for free and walk away with a nice payoff basically. Hey, if GE stock rockets back to 30+ then there is another nice profit. or if they reinstate the fat div.

>> No.12382590

does he have an eye infection

>> No.12382599

>>12380572
Same here broski. I'm currently 25 and with a 4k portfolio and have started tracking my dividend income in hope's to surpass 100-150k by the time I'm 35.

I can put about 800-1000 dollars into the market each month which is less than I'd like but still something. I'm mostly in blue chips, but the next couple grand I'm going into monthly payers such as stag, main, O, and Gain.

If I keep this up I can retire before I'm 50.

>> No.12382608

>>12381970
I changed my mind, BST is still superior

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Pointless speech

>> No.12382629

>>12382618
Worse than Vietnam!

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>>12382561
looked at from a contrarian point of view, the fact that people are freaking out about a recession is a good thing
people have been talking about a recession ever since the last one ended, there will always be people saying the market will go lower than it is

https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/09/21/the-coming-obama-recession-of-2013/#1fe27ff32ec3
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-recession-of-2011-2011-8
http://fortune.com/2014/10/28/global-recession-us-europe-china/
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/the-next-recession-is-already-here-and-there-isnt-much-the-fed-can-do-commentary.html

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>>12382385
Real short speech! Back in the 1800s the president would pontificate for hours!

>> No.12382639

>>12382418
>Rewarding companies that make your life worse
Yikes!

>>12382561
Market recessions tend to proceed economic recessions
And people fear for the future (fear of the unknown)

>> No.12382641

GOLDS FUCKING CRASHING!!!!! AHHHHHH FUCK YOU TRUMP!!!!!

>> No.12382643

>>12382641
the orange man crashed the orange rock

>> No.12382663

can somebody post a replay

i thought it was going to be an actual speech not like a 5 minute yell session, i missed it all lmao

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>>12382663
It was nothing. He just said we need a wall and blamed Dems. Dems are on now saying there is not need for a wall.

>> No.12382676

YES!!!! GOLDS MOONING THANKS CHUCK THE SCHMUCK SCHUMER AND PLASTIC FACE PELOSI!!!!!

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Shutdown is about 2 years away from being over at this point. Neither side is going to budge.

>> No.12382682

https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/09/21/the-coming-obama-recession-of-2013/#1fe27ff32ec3
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-recession-of-2011-2011-8
http://fortune.com/2014/10/28/global-recession-us-europe-china/
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/the-next-recession-is-already-here-and-there-isnt-much-the-fed-can-do-commentary.html

>> No.12382698

>>12381054
Buy a cheap condo. Never buy more house than you absolutely need and as a young guy with two jobs you need fuck all for a domicile because you are never there. A house will eat your savings alive if you’ve never been a homeowner before.

>> No.12382721

>>12382698
i was in this thread or the last one talking about buying vs renting and man i would NEVER buy a condo

yeah they are much cheaper but the ponit of buying for me is to not share a wall witha nyone, not worry about the noise i want to make when i want to make it

buying a condo/apartment/townhome seems like the worst of both combos, you share a wall plus your saddled with a mortgage

>> No.12382749

>>12382721
Seriously, imagine paying sometimes 500k+ to share a fucking wall with someone.

>> No.12382774

>>12382749
well my options personally are a house vs townhome for prices about 150k vs 100-110k

its not even an option IMO, I'd only take on a mortgage because the ENTIRE building/land is my own and I can do wahtever I want with it, if i want to scream at 4am for the epic memes I fucking will
this woman on ABCNews is cute, who is this

>> No.12382787

>>12382774
I don't know I'm watching Hannity.

>> No.12382796

Yawn, the democrats accused Trump of faking a crisis and we already priced that in. Was Trump a genius all along? Allowing us to make money, even in uncertain times?

>> No.12382846

>>12382796
This year is going to be worse than the entirety of the Vietnam war, how have we already priced that in?

>> No.12382852

>>12382796
>Faking a crisis
>Children being separated from parents at the border

They wrote the script. Trump slams it home.

>> No.12382856

>>12382796
It's even worse than 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. Way worse than I ever thought.

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>>12380915
That's fair, I'm a very stubborn person

>>12381288
>>12381248
I'm not saying that's not a valid strategy, it is. But you still have to deal with cyclical problems as you choose when to start re-positioning to bonds. My strategy does involve risks too, but the main risk is loosing out on gains, not loosing the value of my investment, at least so long as I'm in a defensive position. The downside is 3% average returns, the upside is 30% average returns.

I maintain that buying and holding does have it's own risks, since you can't hold forever, eventually you'll need to pull out to pay for the things you were hoping to use your returns for, or if you're faced with an emergency of some kind. By accepting the risks of crashes, depressions, stagflation or other crises, you accept higher risks of loosing the value of the money you put in when you need it.

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>>12382846
Vietnam just flew over my house

>> No.12382887

Bunch of shit. Build wall; they can climb over it or dig under it. Real smart use of tax payer money there. Oh wait, they do that already with the wall they already got up. Hell in some parts there is no wall at all, they just walk right on over.

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>>12382682
>>12382630
The risks for a recession are always there, but generally speaking high liquidity can prop up shit up. The issue is, that liquidity is going away, and all the underlying risks will eventually be exposed.

>“When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing,”
Citigroup chief financial officer, 2007

>> No.12382922

>>12382852
Yeah, democrats will use marxist logic to argue that wall is bad and must be prevented. This will escalate and so on. If Trump is faithful to his oath, then he will get his wall one way or other... We should be paying attention to the actives around the border. If there's any anons around here, keep your eyes open for military actions.

>> No.12382935

BTW, I think that either direction is bullish for the market. It's just a question of *how* bullish.

>> No.12382963

>>12382922
>>12382887
>Yeah, democrats will use marxist logic to argue that wall is bad and must be prevented
>moral outrage over kids being put in internment camps away from their parents
>marxist logic
Liberals have eaten that shit up since kingdom come.

The immigration issue is a sideshow and both sides seem quite determined to make everything worse. AMLO is doing more for decreasing latin american immigration to the US than any american political party.

>> No.12382976

Will GE recover?

>> No.12383007

sup fags

>> No.12383015

>>12382976
Eventually, I think the majority of the downside has passed and it's safe if you want to cost average into it

>> No.12383076

This is when you want to FOMO in. USD is worthless.

>> No.12383078

>>12383015
the GE chart still looks trash, could just be a bull trap

what are they changing fundamentally to actually be a good company for the next couple decades?

>> No.12383098

>>12383076
Euro looking super weak
theres nothing besides USD NOW

>> No.12383109

>>12383098
Yeah, all currencies are shit. You want the compounding interest.

>> No.12383117

Anyone worried about his France bank run thing?

>> No.12383124

>>12383078
aren't they streamlining their shitty ventures into healthcare and aviation now?

>> No.12383132

>>12383117
Sauce? British pound is about to die, and if DB finally implodes+French bank run, USD really could become one world currency

>> No.12383179

https://m.benzinga.com/article/12953073

Oh fuck me and 90 other people just meme'd some CNBC faggot.

>> No.12383254

>>12383109
>Yeah, all currencies are shit
Traditional fiat imaginary currencies? Sure.

Meanwhile, the Bitcoin I picked up on December 9th is up 13.10%. When fiat implodes people will flock to the natural evolution: cryptocurrency.

>> No.12383284

>>12383254
I don't disagree. It's just that the growth of securities are so much more powerful than any means of transactions.

>> No.12383294

>>12383132
Well it was all over pol and twitter and even the news

>> No.12383298

>>12383254
>When fiat implodes
>implying world government would ever allow this to happen
look at gaddafi and his fight against the petrodollar

>> No.12383300

what is the point of BBP and/or BBC if they don't distribute cap gains? what am i missing?

>> No.12383319

>>12383284
Wait so growth of a security is more powerful than the market where its given its value?

>> No.12383327

>>12383319
Filtered

>> No.12383354

>>12383319
No, it's about the friction in the information in this imperfect market system.

>> No.12383411

>>12383294
>All over the news
If it actually was, then I wouldn't be asking for source

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While you were fornicating I mined Litecoin
While you were partying I mined Litecoin
While you were dating my crush I mined Litecoin
While you were using your fiat I mined Litecoin

And now you have the audacity to come to me for help? I am on the top of the food-chain now. You are the loser now.

>> No.12383432

>My EXEL options are saved

>> No.12383436

>>12383423
at $40 after highs of $300+

'nigga we made it'

y i k e s

>> No.12383459

Futures are up! Why is no one talking about this?

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>>12383459
They don't mean much until about 1 hour before open. Asia mooning rn is more relevant probably.

>> No.12383473

>>12382721
>but the ponit of buying for me is to not share a wall witha nyone

Thats sentimentalism and it’s taking your mind off your money.

>> No.12383477

>>12383423
>he didn't sell at 6x
>thinking he's not an idiot

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>>12383459
We still havent accepted the fact the golden bull has come back. We suffered so much its hard to believe sanctity

>> No.12383483

>>12383459
Cause I bough gdx derivatives like a loser... I dunno maybe the miners on the s&p are going to moon. Fucking the crisis at the boarder is worse than viet-fucking-nam and gold is crashing.

>> No.12383493

>>12383473
What about buying just land 15-30 miles outside of town from an area that's experiencing a lot of growth?

>> No.12383571

>>12383493
Unless you are going to develop the land yourself, that’s not worth it. Raw land doesn’t have the buyer pool that houses do because land is always paid with cash or hard money. And really, the best thing about investing in real estate is mortgages.

>> No.12383670

>>12383571
Well if you were to develop it you would probably make a pile especially since it's in a good location. You build and flip the houses to pay for the next part of the development until it's all done. Brings more jobs to a location already growing. Shit I know a guy in the Carolinas that does it. Survived the housing crash and is still doing fine

>> No.12383710

RNN

>> No.12383755

>>12383670
I'm fairly sure LCIguy does that as his day job (or used to)

>> No.12383838

>>12383571
>>the best thing about investing in real estate is mortgages.

what do you mean by this?

>> No.12383847

well, what's up nerds?

>>12383670
think i talked to you a few days back about your inversion strat and risk alignment after trashing on TA and daytrading

looking to talk portfolio management, benchmark measurement, merits of different dcf methods, common pitfalls of dcfs, tax efficiency, etc.

anyone here in high/corp. finance, valuation, etc., or have a good understanding of modern capital market theory?

>> No.12383898

>>12383838

Nice digits

>> No.12383904

>>12383847
Wrong guy, you're thinking of gommie faggot

>> No.12383917

>>12383847
>anyone here in high/corp. finance, valuation, etc., or have a good understanding of modern capital market theory

I think most people in here are retail traders/investors with careers completely unrelated to finance
I'm a student majoring in Neuroscience, for example

>> No.12383934

>>12383847
I think you might be referring to me, anon? Baggie is no stranger to daytrading.

I more subscribed to classical theories of how markets operate, with an emphasis on accumulation and productive employment of labor and other inputs, a falling rate of profit, and a crisis of payments as the trigger for larger crashes.

>> No.12383936

>>12383917
how do you have the cash to trade if you are a student?

>> No.12383955

>>12383936
Taken from personal income
Won't go into detail because I don't want to talk about personal information on here (especially using a tripcode)

>> No.12383968

>>12383955
isn't that illegal?

>> No.12383969

>>12383955
its not very specific to say 'i have a job and go to school for neuroscience' bro

nobody will know who you are lmao

>> No.12383972

>>12383847
yeah we're all retailers here bud, most of us are uni students (i think, I know I am)

>> No.12383977

>>12383847
in the meantime, i'll dish out some advice that imo should be included in every /smg/ op

> where possible, invest with long time horizons (decades) to let compounding work its magic, which is tax deferral, as deferring taxes and keeping gains unrealized results in your returns being generated on a larger sum of money
> hedge funds fee structures are retarded and won't last
> the tax-disadvantaged status of mutual funds compared to index funds will probably mean mutual funds won't last
> if you have a negative net worth, you probably shouldn't be investing but rather focusing on paying off outstanding liabilities (don't take on unneeded risk)
> time in the market is better than trying to time the market
> past performance is not indicative of future results
> technical analysis assumes readily available market data isn't already being compounded into the security price, which goes against market efficiency, all nearly all research suggests markets are reasonably efficient
> you are human, and as such emotional and fallible, making you potentially you're own worst enemy. proper risk alignment and a hands-off approach will more likely yield better results than hands-on
> statistical significance is imperative to strategy deployment, e.g. don't assume trends based on insufficient data
> some research has estimated as much as 90% of market holdings are by tax-exempt entities... which means they can bid up prices higher than you since their after-tax return will be higher
> risky stocks are not more likely to produce better returns. since it's now easy to buy all equities through an index fund, the market overall is pricing securities as though their individual firm risk has been diversified away, e.g. they trade at higher prices because the riskiness is mitigated by the broader portfolio strategies of other investors

>> No.12383993

>>12383934
yes, sorry, that was you!

>> No.12383996

>>12383977
so your saying buy index funds and fuck off and dont look at your balance for years at a time

>> No.12384009

>>12383838
Look at a mortgage, really look at the paths to “homeownership” the government has subsidized and set up safety mechanisms for. Now look at your brokerage account. That’s good ass leverage.

>> No.12384010

>>12383977
What's your opinion on 2x leveraged broader market ETFs like SSO
Are they any better than 3x leveraged ETFs (ex: TQQQ)

>> No.12384014

>>12383996
honestly, if you did that, and you purchased index funds which were properly aligned with your risk profile, yes. studies have shown as much. blindfolding results in compounding over long time horizons and doesn't include unnecessary taxable events or emotional buying/selling. statistically, you're best bet is to get into the right funds and very rarely rebalance them - and when you do rebalance them, do so by adding more capital to underweighted positions instead of realizing gains and selling overweighted positions. it's not sexy or even engaging, but statistically you're more likely to outperform peers with such a strategy.

>> No.12384027

>>12383996
Hes not wrong.

At the end of the day the only question you need to ask yourself for an index ETF is; is this country going to grow? If you live in any Western country the answer is going to be yes, so investing in your own index is safe. You can invest in other countries as well, but there is more tax and sovereign risks.

>> No.12384044

>>12384010
sorry, can't comment on this. i don't buy leveraged products, only leveraged companies. you're effectively multiplying the risk of your security by buying a leveraged fund. yes, you stand to gain leveraged returns, but leveraged losses as well. most likely, any fiduciary you talk to would tell you that it's an inappropriate security to own. the only people that should buy and sell leveraged security products like 2x or 3x ETFs are those with the risk tolerance, risk capacity, and risk requirement for it... which is a very rare combination. i'd be happy to detail the difference between the three risk elements that go into your risk profile if you're interested. most risk questionnaires only focus on two of them rather than three, and that's an improper analysis imho. if you're committed to leveraged funds, i'm not your guy/girl, as i see it more as effectively gambling than investing, in which case sorry.

>> No.12384069

>>12384044
I'm not seriously considering buying into leveraged index funds at the moment, but the idea has crossed my mind before
I definitely agree with your sentiment regarding them being more for gambling than investing (especially 3x leveraged ETFs), but I was under the impression that 2x leveraged ETFs were better because they can handle more volatility without getting liquidated and decay less over time
Appreciate the response either way

>> No.12384078

>>12383977
I will say there are some risks that aren't very well taken care of by index funds. For example, I was searching for stocks that would perform well in both a trade war situation and a recession. After looking around I realized the list of publicly available stocks that fit that description could be counted on one hand. Which is why most of my stock holdings (which are only about 30% of my portfolio), are in Dollar General, which has done rather well so far.

>> No.12384080

>>12383977
>i'll dish out some advice that imo should be included in every /smg/ op
To be honest everything you said is just summed up from Benjamin Graham 'the intelligent investor' principles.

Honestly no one should be able to purchase any investments until you read that book, god damn legendary.

>> No.12384096

>>12384044
>>12384069
I'd say if you buy them to make them a very small amount of your portfolio. Just like with actual gambling, it should be to satisfy a momentary pleasure rather than a way to substantively grow your wealth.

>> No.12384103

>>12384078
>For example, I was searching for stocks that would perform well in both a trade war situation and a recession.
But stocks wont perform well in either of those situations, bonds will.

>> No.12384132

>>12384069
2x leveraged ETFs are "better" than 3x in the sense that they are less risky, but they're still more risky than a non-leveraged ETF, which is in itself even too risky for many investors. i don't have experience trading leveraged ETFs so that's about all i can say.

>>12384078
> I will say there are some risks that aren't very well taken care of by index funds.

this is dead true. but then i ask, how do you even determine the risks, much less measure them? even common metrics like standard deviation are measurements (proxies) for risk... not a measure of the risk itself. that's arguably why most index funds buy a wide, diversified basket of securities... in the hope and on the assumption that they will diversify away many of these risk. if you're focused on a particular risk, and that's your thesis for some kind of portfolio tilt for a certain time period, than yeah, i'd agree that there probably aren't many ETFs that cater specifically to that need.

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>>12383977
>he didn't mention compounding dividends via DRIP
And he considers himself intelligent

>> No.12384207

>>12384103
This was a way for me to diversify, ironically enough. There are certain pressures that are specific to bonds that those companies wouldn't face and vice versa. Certainly, though, the bulk of my portfolio is in bonds.

>>12384132
I like to think of risks as probabilities for different situations, and work from there. With enough diversification within that situational planning you can achieve a portfolio geared towards defending against the biggest possibilities you perceive as risk.

>> No.12384212

>>12384069
>>12384096
>>12384132
the main question to ask when thinking about buying 2x ETFs is 'why is 1x the recommended standard'?

Is it because its the maximum leverage you can sustain with a buy and hold strategy through recessions?

Or is it simply because 'that how its always been'?

I own 2x ETFs, both SSO and QLD, balanced in such a way I am 1.5x leveraged in both the Nasdaq and SP500. I have as one guy said the risk tolerance, capacity, and requirement for it. If that guy could comment more it would be nice, seems like he probably has a better way to articulate than I do.

>> No.12384220

>>12384212
another way to look at leveraged ETFs is this:

If SSO and QLD volatility/gains was how its always been, would anybody here be championing being 'half leveraged' instead as an ideal risk? Probably not, we would all buy QLD and SSO instead of QQQ and SPY and the drawdowns would simply be a 'normal recession'.

Dont take 1x leverage as gospel just because thats how its always been done

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>324 replies

Someone else make a new thread, I'mma try to get some sleep

>> No.12384226

>>12384184
>he thinks anyone would purchase an ETF and not reinvest dividends
Do you also tell people water is wet.

>> No.12384241

>>12384184
yeah, fair enough. everyone should make sure that reinvesting dividends should is the default setting with their brokerage. but i will say, and i don't want to get into it deep right now, that dividends are not "returns" as you normally think of them. dividends are 100% a liquidation event, not a return like capital appreciation of a stock's share price. whether the company keeps the cash in-house or gives it to you via dividend, it was already yours. the difference is the company chose to give it back to you because they don't think they can outperform the broader market by deploying that cash. in that case, it's obviously best to return it to the shareholder, but it's not a true "return" like a stock moving from $15 to $18.

but yes, add dividend reinvestment to the last

>> No.12384289

>>12384241
>dividends are 100% a liquidation event
That’s what makes them good

>> No.12384301

ok guys.. so what happend today with LCI was a bear trap.. prime example of bear trap.. this bear trap may go on for another day or two.. watch for volume.. remember that over 50% of the float is short.. and 85% i owned by institutions.. Guy Gentile owns a few million.. so take that into cosideration when calculating volume.. look at the volume the past few months.. more buy than sell...

>> No.12384317

>>12384212

your risk profile is based on three factors, and each of them serve as a limit on the risk you should take.

risk capacity: this is the risk that you can meaningful take on given your net worth. if you have credit card or student loans outstanding, then you should be prioritizing those over investing, since markets are inherently risky - and when they aren't, they'll return less than what the debt interest rate is. think of this as the risk for which your current situation allows.

risk tolerance: this is the risk that you can psychologically take on without freaking out. if there's a 10%, 15%, 20% correction in the market... can you hold your position knowing that your time horizon is 20+ years? or will you panic sell? think of this as the capital that you can afford to lose, and that you wouldn't engage in emotional buying/selling if the markets got crazy.

risk requirement: this is the risk level that you need to take on in order to fulfill your goals (retirement, kids education, etc.) this is most often the last of the limiting factors, and when it applies, it's simply to put a cap on the risk you're taking, with the basic principle being that you shouldn't take on more risk than you need to. so even if you have plenty of capacity and tolerance for risk, you shouldn't take any more risk than you need to to fund your goals. think of this as the minimum required return that you need to be satisfied.

we all want big returns with little risk, but that doesn't really exist -- when it does, more sophisticated investors arbitrage it out of existence. you will be compensated for the risk you take, period. you can try to time the markets, but there's a statistically significant chance that you'll be unable to

all together, don't invest more capital than you're capable of risking.. then don't invest more capital than you're capable of withstanding emotional buying/selling when things go south.. then don't take on more risk than you need to to fund your goals

>> No.12384329

New thread everyone

>>12384327

>> No.12384333

>>12384289
> That’s what makes them good
well, dividends are great because they represent good stewardship over your capital by the firm's management.

however, they are subject to capital gains tax, since the underlying principle of corporations is double taxation.

so technically there's a breakeven point, where even if the firm can't return what the market can, you would rather the firm keep the money since they can generate returns in excess of your after-tax reinvestment in the market elsewhere

>> No.12384338

>>12384333
Not if you're Australian
>free 30% franking credits

>> No.12384435

>>12384301
The last month has been a massive bull trap for LCI. It's heading back to $3 once Guy Gentile takes his quick 30% profits.

I hope you've managed to average down to the point where you're finally in the money on this trade. You should try and set a solid stop loss this time, not that it'll matter when the stock reports earnings and experiences another instant 60% decline.

and why are you still pumping that institutional ownership number? Those morons are already down 70%+ on average and it's likely some of them capitulated in late October to harvest their losses. It's insiders you should be watching. They have been buying recently, but not a meaningful amount.

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>>12384435
>It's heading back to $3 once Guy Gentile takes his quick 30% profits.
Do you understand what liquidity is and how it's works? Do you know how to trade a stock if you own over 4.99% of the issued and outstanding?

>I hope you've managed to average down to the point where you're finally in the money on this trade. You should try and set a solid stop loss this time, not that it'll matter when the stock reports earnings and experiences another instant 60% decline.
you do realize that they have been launching a lot of products (atleast 12 in 2018) and at least another 15-17 products before the end of fiscal year of 2019?.. you do realize they've been reducing expenses big time before the JSP deal.. not to mention how many of their expenses were from distributing JSP product? you do realize that their profit margin is going from around 41% to around 38% WITH reduced expenses (thats a very important part when it comes to offsetting profit margins on different products) in every corner of the coporation that weren't reduced in previous Earnings in which by the way they've been beating earnings like crazy and will continue to do so!

>Those morons are already down 70%+ on average and it's likely some of them capitulated
You do realize they OBVIOUSLY they aren't selling and are holding for much higher right??

I think you might be a little lost as to what is going on.. either short it and post some proof that you have the balls to or sit on your hands and watch the easy gains pass you by.

LCI is way undervalued... shorts know it!! they tried to manipulate the price on news that has been baked in! big money didn't fall for that bullshit and shorts know they're stuck at the bottom..

GL kiddo

>> No.12384843

Does anyone actually make money in these threads?